• Why Isn't It "Gerrymandering" When DEMS Do It ?

    From c186282@21:1/5 to All on Wed Aug 6 22:19:52 2025
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    Just askin' .....

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  • From pothead@21:1/5 to c186282@nnada.net on Thu Aug 7 02:30:28 2025
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    On 2025-08-07, c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> wrote:
    Just askin' .....

    Democrats wrote the book on gerrymandering.
    What I find hilarious is that the Texas dims fled to states
    that are probably among the biggest gerrymandering states in the union.

    For the record as I have mentioned before, I do not support gerrymandering
    as it is currently being implemented.
    I get it that districts change and that needs to be addressed to ensure fairness however I would suggest evaluating districts maybe every 5 or 10 years and adjusting accordingly.
    Maybe not feasible I dunno.




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  • From c186282@21:1/5 to pothead on Wed Aug 6 23:12:59 2025
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    On 8/6/25 10:30 PM, pothead wrote:
    On 2025-08-07, c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> wrote:
    Just askin' .....

    Democrats wrote the book on gerrymandering.
    What I find hilarious is that the Texas dims fled to states
    that are probably among the biggest gerrymandering states in the union.

    For the record as I have mentioned before, I do not support gerrymandering
    as it is currently being implemented.
    I get it that districts change and that needs to be addressed to ensure fairness however I would suggest evaluating districts maybe every 5 or 10 years
    and adjusting accordingly.
    Maybe not feasible I dunno.

    I've looked into district boundaries - and, really,
    there's NO way to draw them while claiming anything
    sane/reasonable. It's always been politics first
    and foremost.

    If the pop was utterly homogeneous then you could
    kinda just draw boxes. The pop isn't that way and
    never will be.

    This is one of the gotchas of 'representative democracy',
    who represents whom and why ?

    Can a downtown boy really 'represent' farmers and
    hicks out in the countryside ? Nope. Can someone
    from Mayberry really represent the downtown boys ?
    Nope. Who gets to represent the most people and why ?
    Are their people more or less 'equal' or wealthy ?
    You just can't get there from here using anything
    remotely like the current system.

    And I've thought about it and STILL can't see an
    alternative that performs anything like the Founders
    envisioned. It'd take a radical, dangerously radical
    and partisan-tweakable, total revision of how we
    get "representatives".

    I guess some shit is just LIKE that. Human-made
    systems, human-made problems.

    Maybe we DO just have to go to "big squares" and
    hope for the best. Of course some squares will
    have 1000 people and 500,000 acres of desert - and
    yet be 'as equal' as the big cities. Tuff titty ?

    Oh well, there's always kings/nobles - Harry is
    waiting to be Prince Of The Americas :-)

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  • From pothead@21:1/5 to c186282@nnada.net on Thu Aug 7 16:36:40 2025
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    On 2025-08-07, c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> wrote:
    On 8/6/25 10:30 PM, pothead wrote:
    On 2025-08-07, c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> wrote:
    Just askin' .....

    Democrats wrote the book on gerrymandering.
    What I find hilarious is that the Texas dims fled to states
    that are probably among the biggest gerrymandering states in the union.

    For the record as I have mentioned before, I do not support gerrymandering >> as it is currently being implemented.
    I get it that districts change and that needs to be addressed to ensure
    fairness however I would suggest evaluating districts maybe every 5 or 10 years
    and adjusting accordingly.
    Maybe not feasible I dunno.

    I've looked into district boundaries - and, really,
    there's NO way to draw them while claiming anything
    sane/reasonable. It's always been politics first
    and foremost.

    If the pop was utterly homogeneous then you could
    kinda just draw boxes. The pop isn't that way and
    never will be.

    This is one of the gotchas of 'representative democracy',
    who represents whom and why ?

    Can a downtown boy really 'represent' farmers and
    hicks out in the countryside ? Nope. Can someone
    from Mayberry really represent the downtown boys ?
    Nope. Who gets to represent the most people and why ?
    Are their people more or less 'equal' or wealthy ?
    You just can't get there from here using anything
    remotely like the current system.

    And I've thought about it and STILL can't see an
    alternative that performs anything like the Founders
    envisioned. It'd take a radical, dangerously radical
    and partisan-tweakable, total revision of how we
    get "representatives".

    I guess some shit is just LIKE that. Human-made
    systems, human-made problems.

    Maybe we DO just have to go to "big squares" and
    hope for the best. Of course some squares will
    have 1000 people and 500,000 acres of desert - and
    yet be 'as equal' as the big cities. Tuff titty ?

    Oh well, there's always kings/nobles - Harry is
    waiting to be Prince Of The Americas :-)

    I don't see a solution to this.
    The country is just too diverse in terms of population and
    types of jobs, living situations, housing, cost of living etc.



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  • From c186282@21:1/5 to pothead on Thu Aug 7 21:33:30 2025
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    On 8/7/25 12:36 PM, pothead wrote:
    On 2025-08-07, c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> wrote:
    On 8/6/25 10:30 PM, pothead wrote:
    On 2025-08-07, c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> wrote:
    Just askin' .....

    Democrats wrote the book on gerrymandering.
    What I find hilarious is that the Texas dims fled to states
    that are probably among the biggest gerrymandering states in the union.

    For the record as I have mentioned before, I do not support gerrymandering >>> as it is currently being implemented.
    I get it that districts change and that needs to be addressed to ensure
    fairness however I would suggest evaluating districts maybe every 5 or 10 years
    and adjusting accordingly.
    Maybe not feasible I dunno.

    I've looked into district boundaries - and, really,
    there's NO way to draw them while claiming anything
    sane/reasonable. It's always been politics first
    and foremost.

    If the pop was utterly homogeneous then you could
    kinda just draw boxes. The pop isn't that way and
    never will be.

    This is one of the gotchas of 'representative democracy',
    who represents whom and why ?

    Can a downtown boy really 'represent' farmers and
    hicks out in the countryside ? Nope. Can someone
    from Mayberry really represent the downtown boys ?
    Nope. Who gets to represent the most people and why ?
    Are their people more or less 'equal' or wealthy ?
    You just can't get there from here using anything
    remotely like the current system.

    And I've thought about it and STILL can't see an
    alternative that performs anything like the Founders
    envisioned. It'd take a radical, dangerously radical
    and partisan-tweakable, total revision of how we
    get "representatives".

    I guess some shit is just LIKE that. Human-made
    systems, human-made problems.

    Maybe we DO just have to go to "big squares" and
    hope for the best. Of course some squares will
    have 1000 people and 500,000 acres of desert - and
    yet be 'as equal' as the big cities. Tuff titty ?

    Oh well, there's always kings/nobles - Harry is
    waiting to be Prince Of The Americas :-)

    I don't see a solution to this.
    The country is just too diverse in terms of population and
    types of jobs, living situations, housing, cost of living etc.

    'Diverse' ... yea ... but in terms of who should
    be represented by whom it's a bit more complicated
    "Like" DO tend to cluster with "like" - and that's
    an op for Gerrymandering.

    Ok, it's "social justice" when the left does it :-)

    One MIGHT argue that with modern communications the
    geographical angle isn't AS important anymore. Alas
    the big-city pols will have the most campaign money
    and wind up 'representing' the farm folks.

    So, as suggested, Big Squares no matter how many
    people or how much money might be inside them.
    They'll all get lazy and corrupt in DC anyway ...

    All systems have problems. The US system has problems
    and this one can't really be resolved, just barely
    managed.

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  • From c186282@21:1/5 to Robert Gowan on Mon Aug 11 03:34:31 2025
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    On 8/9/25 2:00 PM, Robert Gowan wrote:
    On 8/8/2025 8:02 PM, c186282, Nazi pseudo-sage and cocksucking cipher,
    took his hands and mouth off Xi's dick long enough to peck:
    On 8/8/25 7:05 PM, Robert Gowan wrote:
    On 8/7/2025 6:33 PM, c186282, Nazi pseudo-sage and cocksucking
    cipher, took his hands and mouth off Xi's dick long enough to peck:

       So, as suggested, Big Squares no matter how many
       people or how much money might be inside them.
       They'll all get lazy and corrupt in DC anyway ...

    No, you ignorant fuck. The seat districts within a state *must* all
    have roughly the same number of people in each district. That's a
    constitutional requirement.

       It's not a FEDERAL law ... the Fed stays out of
       such state matters.

    It's SCOTUS decisions, you ignorant fuck. Reynolds v. Sims and Wesberry
    v. Sanders.

       So, the STATES can implement the Big Boxes plan.

    No, they can't. Each congressional seat as well as state legislative
    seats have to have roughly the same number of people.

    You really are an ignorant cocksucking fat fuck.


      You seem to have badly mis-spelled that last item
      in the groups list

    Nope. I don't allow posts to go to alt.politics.trump

    Gee ... what a fuck !

    WATCH it all take shape.

    Re-added alt.politics.trump by the way :-)

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  • From james g. keegan jr.@21:1/5 to All on Mon Aug 11 13:51:44 2025
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    XPost: free.midget.sheep-shaggers

    On 11 Aug 2025, c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> posted some news:uZ-cnZgboruaAAT1nZ2dnZfqn_idnZ2d@giganews.com:

    On 8/9/25 2:00 PM, Robert Gowan wrote:
    On 8/8/2025 8:02 PM, c186282, Nazi pseudo-sage and cocksucking
    cipher, took his hands and mouth off Xi's dick long enough to peck:
    On 8/8/25 7:05 PM, Robert Gowan wrote:
    On 8/7/2025 6:33 PM, c186282, Nazi pseudo-sage and cocksucking
    cipher, took his hands and mouth off Xi's dick long enough to peck:

       So, as suggested, Big Squares no matter how many
       people or how much money might be inside them.
       They'll all get lazy and corrupt in DC anyway ...

    No, you ignorant fuck. The seat districts within a state *must* all
    have roughly the same number of people in each district. That's a
    constitutional requirement.

       It's not a FEDERAL law ... the Fed stays out of
       such state matters.

    It's SCOTUS decisions, you ignorant fuck. Reynolds v. Sims and
    Wesberry v. Sanders.

       So, the STATES can implement the Big Boxes plan.

    No, they can't. Each congressional seat as well as state legislative
    seats have to have roughly the same number of people.

    You really are an ignorant cocksucking fat fuck.


      You seem to have badly mis-spelled that last item
      in the groups list

    Nope. I don't allow posts to go to alt.politics.trump

    Gee ... what a fuck !

    WATCH it all take shape.

    Re-added alt.politics.trump by the way :-)

    He's kinda thick between the ears. He's trying to use "One person, one
    vote" decisions to justify including illegal aliens in the census for
    the purpose of redistricting.

    There's just one problem with that, illegal aliens can't vote.

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  • From Robert Gowan@21:1/5 to All on Mon Aug 11 08:04:30 2025
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    On 8/11/2025 4:51 AM, Spammy "cuck" Blowjob, 350lb 5'1" morbidly obese convicted
    child molester and lying fat fuck, lied:
    On 11 Aug 2025, c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> posted some news:uZ-cnZgboruaAAT1nZ2dnZfqn_idnZ2d@giganews.com:

    On 8/9/25 2:00 PM, Robert Gowan wrote:
    On 8/8/2025 8:02 PM, c186282, Nazi pseudo-sage and cocksucking
    cipher, took his hands and mouth off Xi's dick long enough to peck:
    On 8/8/25 7:05 PM, Robert Gowan wrote:
    On 8/7/2025 6:33 PM, c186282, Nazi pseudo-sage and cocksucking
    cipher, took his hands and mouth off Xi's dick long enough to peck:

       So, as suggested, Big Squares no matter how many
       people or how much money might be inside them.
       They'll all get lazy and corrupt in DC anyway ...

    No, you ignorant fuck. The seat districts within a state *must* all
    have roughly the same number of people in each district. That's a
    constitutional requirement.

       It's not a FEDERAL law ... the Fed stays out of
       such state matters.

    It's SCOTUS decisions, you ignorant fuck. Reynolds v. Sims and
    Wesberry v. Sanders.

       So, the STATES can implement the Big Boxes plan.

    No, they can't. Each congressional seat as well as state legislative
    seats have to have roughly the same number of people.

    You really are an ignorant cocksucking fat fuck.


      You seem to have badly mis-spelled that last item
      in the groups list

    Nope. I don't allow posts to go to alt.politics.trump

    Gee ... what a fuck !

    WATCH it all take shape.

    Re-added alt.politics.trump by the way :-)

    He's kinda thick between the ears.

    No, Spammy. I am your intellectual, moral, professional, social, literary and physical superior. You've known this for more than a dozen years, Spammy.

    He's trying to use "One person, one
    vote" decisions to justify including illegal aliens in the census for
    the purpose of redistricting.

    The 14th amendment equal protection clause *is* at the root of the one-man-one-vote decisions, Spammy, you stupid blowjob, but that's not what I'm depending on in order to prove that everyone, not just citizens, is to be counted. That requirement comes from a *different* part of the 14th amendment. It's section 2, Spammy, which reads:

    Representatives shall be apportioned among the several States according to
    their respective numbers, counting the *whole number of persons* in each
    State, excluding Indians not taxed.

    *All* persons, Spammy, you stupid blowjob.



    There's just one problem with that, illegal aliens can't vote.

    *No* non-citizens are allowed to vote, Spammy, you ignorant fucking blowjob, but
    they *still* have to be counted for apportionment. You lose, Spammy.

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