• Re: Farmers Angry With Orange Tariffman

    From c186282@21:1/5 to Lee on Sat Aug 9 02:01:24 2025
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    On 8/8/25 11:23 AM, Lee wrote:
    Bradley K. Sherman wrote:

    |
    | President Donald Trump keeps saying he'll solve the
    | politically fraught problem of reconciling the need for
    | undocumented farm labor with his mass deportation plan.
    |
    | But the White House does not appear close to a policy
    | decision -- and farmers are getting frustrated with the
    | delays.
    | ...

    <https://www.politico.com/news/2025/08/08/trump-teased-a-solution-for-farmers-its-likely-not-coming-soon-00498932>

    --bks


    They voted for Trump knowing about his
    mania to deport all the migrant workers,
    tough to be sorry for them.

    The farm equation is DIFFICULT.

    US farms commonly operate at a BARE profit,
    if not in debt. SOME of that is because of
    foreign competition, but SOME is also due
    to what US consumers are willing/able to bear.

    Note that 'bear' also has a lot to do with
    the MIDDLEMEN ...

    To TRY to cope, US farms have taken to using
    a lot of illegal/quasi-legal foreign labor -
    which Trump is taking away for now.

    Reliable foreign labor cannot be taken away
    unless something, some mechanisms, COMPENSATE
    or US farms will collapse and we'll be 100%
    dependent on foreign food. NOT good.

    I understand the Trump/MAGA perspective here
    and generally approve but, as usual, the Devil
    is in the details. "Ideology" - left right or
    whatever - tends to overlook such details.

    Details are a PAIN IN THE ASS.

    Oh WAIT ... you didn't WANT a sane discussion ...
    it's all just 'OrangePhobia' with you ........

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  • From Mitchell Holman@21:1/5 to c186282@nnada.net on Sat Aug 9 14:03:37 2025
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    c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> wrote in news:7hicnRoYCeWreQv1nZ2dnZfqn_idnZ2d@giganews.com:

    On 8/8/25 11:23 AM, Lee wrote:
    Bradley K. Sherman wrote:

    |
    | President Donald Trump keeps saying he'll solve the
    | politically fraught problem of reconciling the need for
    | undocumented farm labor with his mass deportation plan.
    |
    | But the White House does not appear close to a policy
    | decision -- and farmers are getting frustrated with the
    | delays.
    | ...

    <https://www.politico.com/news/2025/08/08/trump-teased-a-solution-for-
    farmers-its-likely-not-coming-soon-00498932>

    --bks


    They voted for Trump knowing about his
    mania to deport all the migrant workers,
    tough to be sorry for them.

    The farm equation is DIFFICULT.

    US farms commonly operate at a BARE profit,
    if not in debt. SOME of that is because of
    foreign competition, but SOME is also due
    to what US consumers are willing/able to bear.

    Note that 'bear' also has a lot to do with
    the MIDDLEMEN ...

    To TRY to cope, US farms have taken to using
    a lot of illegal/quasi-legal foreign labor -
    which Trump is taking away for now.

    Reliable foreign labor cannot be taken away
    unless something, some mechanisms, COMPENSATE
    or US farms will collapse and we'll be 100%
    dependent on foreign food. NOT good.

    I understand the Trump/MAGA perspective here
    and generally approve but, as usual, the Devil
    is in the details. "Ideology" - left right or
    whatever - tends to overlook such details.

    Details are a PAIN IN THE ASS.

    Oh WAIT ... you didn't WANT a sane discussion ...
    it's all just 'OrangePhobia' with you ........



    When Trump policies were ruining farmers 5 years
    ago he at least TRIED to care, via the billions he
    threw at them in bailouts.

    Now that he doesn't need them anymore he can
    just cast them aside, like he does with everyone
    no longer useful to him.





    Trump's massive farmer bailout failed to
    make up for the 'self-inflicted' trade damage
    January 18, 2021

    The U.S.-China trade war caused deep damage
    to many American farmers and their livelihoods.

    And while President Trump directed the U.S.
    Department of Agriculture (USDA) to distribute
    billions of dollars in aid to farmers across
    the country, mostly through the Market
    Facilitation Program (MFP), that historic
    bailout did not make up for the significant
    drop in business that many farmers experienced.

    President Trump directed roughly $24.5 billion
    to American farmers through the MFP since 2018,
    with about $23 billion distributed as of early
    January 2021. USDA confirmed in a statement to
    Yahoo Finance that there would be no more
    payments during the Trump administration.
    https://tinyurl.com/29wynw35

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