• God Only Exists in The Minds Of Gullible American White Christians

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    Reasons Why God Doesn’t Exist
    Rational arguments for Atheism


    In my experience, believers hate nothing more than the burden of proof, and that’s why they try to redefine what evidence means so that it is no longer
    a fact that indicates. Because they can’t give you any facts not to point
    their way, so they give arguments instead of evidence — essentially word
    games trying to define their God into existence with erroneous or
    fallacious assumptions built into most of them. If you ever look at a list
    of logical fallacies, you might notice that every one of them has been used
    as an argument for God, and in my experience, every argument for God
    involves at least one logical fallacy and usually more than one. Following,
    I will list that as one of many facts and evidence in my case against God.

    Of course, the fact that the first fact in evidence against God is that
    there is no evidence for God, we have to start there because logically
    having no reason to believe something is a pretty good reason not to
    believe it, especially when such is neither probable nor even possible. We don’t get to say that anything is possible because we know too many things
    that are not; a cow cannot jump over the moon, for example. That’s not just improbable; that’s physically impossible. In order to say whether something
    is possible, there must be a precedent or a parallel or verified phenomenon indicating that such possibility exists. We don’t have that for gods or
    ghosts or demons or souls or for magical enchantments like blessings or
    curses. So not only is none of that evident, it’s not even a possibility to consider.

    Believers can’t even give a consistent definition of what their God is
    supposed to be. Neuroscientists understand the mind to be an emergent
    property of the brain, so the notion of a disembodied mind is nonsense, and it’s contradicted by scripture as well. Because while modern theologians
    have contrived some lofty exaggerations of what they’ve built their God up
    to be, let’s not forget God’s humble beginnings in ancient mythology. The
    Bible tells us that God walks, talks, eats, turns his head, waves his hand, shows his backside, and cheats at wrestling. It says that Adam, Abraham,
    and Moses all spoke to God face to face, and that seventy of the Elders of Israel were allowed to look upon God in physical form.

    But whether God has a body or not, there’s no explanation given for how
    this God even could exist, much less how it does anything, and the sacred fables all say ridiculous things like how he created the first man with a
    Golem spell. Well, he created everything else with an incantation, speaking everything out of nothing, abracadabra, just like so many pagan gods did,
    like the Native American God Coyote who made the mountains and the rivers
    and who put the salmon into the rivers, or the God of Hindu mythology, Vishwakarma, who is often credited as the divine architect and engineer of
    the gods responsible for designing and building their celestial abodes, weapons, and vehicles. There’s no explanation for how he made or put
    anything or how gods do anything; it’s all a process of pure f***ing magic.

    Then there’s the fact that it doesn’t matter which faith we focus on; no religion can show that they’re any more accurate than every other faith.
    The same goes for their scriptures too. The Jewish Torah, the Christian gospels, the Quran of Islam, the Ketov, the Guru Granth of the Sikhs, the
    Hindu Vedas, the Mahabharata, the Bhagavad-gita, The Book of Mormon, and so
    on, have all been declared by some devotees to be the absolute truth and
    the revealed word of the one true God, even when they can’t agree on who or what that God is. Everyone knows that every word of all these supposedly
    sacred publications was scribbled by scribes, mere fallible men who
    obviously had no idea what they were talking about because every supposedly god-breathed doctrine is full of errors. For example, everything the Bible
    or the Quran says about the Earth in relation to the rest of the cosmos is
    flat Earth cosmology from the Iron Age, so they couldn’t have been written
    or given or dictated by any gods or angels because they would have known better.

    We have sufficient evidence in science to prove that Adam and Eve are genetically impossible and were not real people. The global population
    cannot have been derived from a single couple, not six thousand years ago,
    nor even 600,000 years ago. We descend from a particular population of apes numbering several thousand strong at least, who set out on the road to our lineage at least a few million years ago. To be clear, this is a matter of objectively demonstrable scientific facts, not assumptions. Physical anthropologists and paleo primatologists can show how humans and
    chimpanzees share a common ancestry is an objectively verifiable fact in
    the absolute sense that it doesn’t change, meaning that it will not be corrected by new information. It’s not just a probability; it’s a
    certainty.

    Cultural anthropologists can also show how we know that the tale of the
    Garden of Eden is nothing more than a fable composed of several tropes and characters showing the apparent influence of elder religions in neighboring regions. It’s only possible truth depends on metaphorical interpretations; there is absolutely no truth of any part of that story. Otherwise, archaeologists assure us that the same goes for the Tower of Babel and even
    The Exodus. Historians agree that Moses never existed; he was a legendary character, but he wasn’t real.

    Then paleontologists, geologists, geneticists, and practically any other
    Earth and life scientists can disprove the global flood of Noah’s Ark. The Bible and the Quran both imply that this was a global event, flooding the
    whole world, and that everyone alive today is a descendant of Noah. But we
    have literally tons of rock-solid proof from many independent fields of
    study that it’s just a story; it never happened, not the way it says in anyone’s scriptures. It’s not just that it couldn’t have happened, but even
    if it could have, by some flurry of miracles, we still have an overwhelming preponderance of evidence to prove that it didn’t happen. So the Bible and
    the Quran are both wrong, not just about that, but practically everything
    else of importance too.

    It’s not just that all the scriptures are laughably wrong about practically everything scientifically and historically, ethically and morally; it’s
    that outside of these assorted doctrines, we see that the fact that belief
    in any God doesn’t have any apparent impact on the person’s morality.
    Instead, and even worse, there are criminal studies showing that the more religious one is, the more likely they are to be bigoted, intolerant, and abusive, favoring violent vengeance over rehabilitation or restitution. Comparative amount analysis of child molesters even decades ago showed this statistically: the more religious an abuser is, the more abusive they were, with more and younger victims. Whereas programs like the clergy project
    reveal that when people stop believing, they become more tolerant, more curious, liberal, less bigoted and judgmental.

    And why are so many people leaving religion? Because of the fact that all
    the world’s religions combined can’t even show that there’s a there
    “there”, that there is anything supernatural at all. There’s no
    discernible, verifiable truth to any supernatural place, just subjective impressions and baseless assumptions. Any claim of facts in evidence of the divine or of anything supernatural always turns out to be nothing but
    frauds, falsehoods, and fallacies, which ought to matter to you if the
    truth matters to you at all, if you want to understand knowledge as distinguished from make-believe.
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    Yet all the major religions require faith instead, where you’re supposed to believe whatever they said simply because they said so. I think all of us
    would agree that faith healers and self-described exorcists are famously fraudulent, yet we ignore that Jesus was running the same game as they are, just another superstitious cult leader. The people who have dedicated
    decades of their lives to the study of near-death experiences have lost
    faith even in that, coming away admitting that there’s still no substance
    to it after all this time, over half a century, and there’s still very few cases without a clear explanation. That’s not what they predicted 50 years
    ago, and the failure there, according to all of the neuroscientists, neural philosophers, and brain surgeons I’ve listened to, is the fact that there
    is no support for mind-body dualism, neither in neuroscience nor even in philosophy.

    It’s not just that there’s no evidence right where it should be, right
    where it would be if we had an animating immortal spirit; it’s that we have
    so much evidence against it to confidently conclude that we don’t have
    souls. Without an immortal supernatural soul, there can’t be an afterlife,
    thus no heaven or hell, and without them, the notion of a God is largely
    moot. This doesn’t make a lot of difference in Islam, since the Quran talks about a physical heaven where our bodies will be reanimated such that we
    will still require food even in hell, where roughly 80 percent of the world would spend eternity if Islam was correct. Fortunately, Islam is not
    correct; there is no hell, and God doesn’t operate an invisible hotel in
    the expanse of the non-existent firmament either. Regardless of what God or religion it is, hell is inconsistent with God. If there was a God, there
    still wouldn’t be a hell because no God would allow it.

    If we are to believe what the scriptures say about God being infinitely merciful and just, those two are already in contradiction with each other
    and both contradict the description of God as a righteous judge having
    wisdom or love or any of that, which contradicts everything required to
    torture everyone mercilessly, relentlessly, forever and ever over a thought crime. The Quran repeatedly says that simply believing equals doing good
    and that not believing equals doing evil. So Islam is just like
    Christianity in that we are not judged on morality but on gullibility
    because we are judged and damned forever over what or whether we believed.
    And hell would still be grossly unjust even if we knew God existed.

    We have no evidence to compel beliefs, so hell becomes exponentially worse.
    No God would want or allow something so petty and vindictive, and such is obviously just an excuse that theologians made up so that those who didn’t believe in the impossible promise of a posthumous reward might believe in
    the threat of a fate worse than death if they don’t believe, for the
    purpose, of course, being the manipulation of the masses toward the
    ultimate goal of enriching and empowering the clergy. This is only circumstantial evidence against God, but it’s worth mentioning.

    This is especially bad in Islam because the Quran says a few times that God decides who will believe and who won’t, so we don’t even have free will; instead, we submit to God’s will as if we’re just his playthings, and he’s going to punish us for whatever he forced us to do. Thus, belief in God is inconsistent with both free will and objective morality, which is a contradiction of two of the most popular reasons Believers cite for why
    they believe and why we should believe.

    And note that their most popular reasons for believing have nothing to do
    with evidence; again, as always, belief is assumed in lieu of evidence and maintained despite all evidence to the contrary. Evidence is a body of
    facts, objectively verifiable data indicating one conclusion or eliminating another. If the truth is what the facts are, then there is no significant
    or spiritual truth in any religious doctrine, but there are a hell of a lot
    of lies in all of them.

    Thus, we have nothing at all to imply that there even could be a God, but
    ample evidence everywhere to show that God is a fantasy, phantasm, nothing
    more than wishful thinking. The holy doctrines of the various religions
    remain the only source of information of who or what God is supposed to be,
    and they violently contradict each other. This is another fact against God; each of these tomes is individually full of absurdities and atrocities, inconsistencies and contradictions, so that none of the authors of these
    myths and legends actually knows what they’re talking about. Nearly
    anything any of the scriptures says falls into one of two categories: it’s either not evidently true, meaning there’s no evidence for it, or it’s evidently not true, meaning it’s already been shown to be false.

    The fact that the Bible and Quran and all the rest of this man-made
    mythology even exists in such defective, conflicting condition is evidence against God, who should have corrected all that. And despite all attempts
    at philosophical rationalization, there is no actual factual evidence of
    God outside of scripture either. Literally, not even a possibility to
    consider the claim that an all-powerful, all-knowing, all-loving Creator
    God exists is logically inconsistent and paradoxical due to the presence of suffering in the world. In a world that is, as Darwin described it, red in tooth and claw, the persistent existence of such a level of suffering throughout the years’ history, as well as the extent of that history,
    remains in conflict with the attributes attributed to such a God. Moreover, considering the lack of logically coherent, verifiable evidence for the existence of the Abrahamic God specifically, it is reasonable to conclude
    that the claims of such a deity are just a myth.

    It is essential to adhere to the fundamental principles of logic, which necessitate evidence and demonstrability when affirming the truth of a
    claim. Holding an absolute positive belief in anything, let alone something that lacks reliably verifiable truth or proof, rather violates these principles, rendering the claim of an Abrahamic God as not only a myth but
    a baseless speculation having no more credence than a claim that has
    already been proven false.

    Very often, believers may already know that there’s no evidence of God or anything supernatural, but they’re determined to make believing it anyway
    for reasons that don’t qualify as reason. So they have to find a way to
    shift the burden of proof onto the negative claim or to onto someone who doesn’t believe in their unsupported assertions of illogical, irrational, impossible absurdity. I mean, it should be that if you make a claim, you
    have to substantiate it or be dismissed and discredited for stating
    falsehoods. But faith is the most dishonest position it is possible to have because claiming facts that aren’t facts and pretending to know things you don’t know is what faith is all about. But in every other application, we
    would call that lying. The only way that faith could be any less honest or
    any more dishonest is if you’re a religious apologist, asserting
    speculation without reason and defending it against all reason is what apologetics is all about, making up any and all excuses to justify
    doctrinal errors and/or to systematically dismiss or ignore any and all evidence against an a priori belief to defend the faith even in those
    instances where you know it’s not true.

    So they resort to an appeal to ignorance as if they can assert whatever
    they want without any justification at all. And they think that they can
    refer to such lies as the absolute truth until or unless we can prove it
    false. Then apologists will still call it truth even after it’s been
    thoroughly disproved because faith means never admitting when you’re wrong. Because one of the problems with a faith-based belief system is that there
    are required beliefs and prohibited beliefs where you’re forbidden to admit certain truths that may call the faith into question because you have to believe a particular interpretation of doctrine no matter what, or else
    face the empty threat of eternal damnation.

    Additionally, there’s usually an emotional attachment to certain faith
    beliefs and often culturally conditioned deep-seated need to believe that overrides our natural desire to understand. In either case, it means that
    the believer has to come up with some excuse, has to find any excuse to
    keep on believing even when they know it’s not true. As has happened a few times, people have admitted to me that they know it’s not true, but they’re going to believe it anyway. So they make up arguments instead of evidence, arguments that all require specific assumptions and typically depend on
    false dichotomy, where only two options are allowed, and no others may be admitted because the goal is not to seek the truth but to avoid
    uncomfortable truths in defense of the faith.

    My problem is, I can’t relate to this. I can’t choose to believe whatever I want to, especially when it’s apparently indefensible when there is no
    truth to it. The difference in my position is that I want to know whatever
    the truth is, regardless of what I might rather believe, whereas the
    faithful just want to believe whatever they want to, regardless of what the truth is. Judging by several admissions I’ve heard, these so-called True Believers apparently don’t even care what the truth is; they want to make believe something else instead.

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