Trump said he was now calling Putin to update
on what's possible and what's not.
Details are not clear yet on what the proposed
'international security support' thing for Ukraine
is going to look like, or where the money comes
from. Basically I figure the idea is to put some
mil guys from a number of EU countries physically
inside Ukraine - so blow them up and you've
kind of attacked those countries. Such tricks
aren't new.
Anyway - Ukraine is MESSY, Trump isn't Dumbledore,
Putin reminds of Voldemort, Zel is kinda freakin'
and the Euros still don't believe they might
actually have to DO STUFF.
But some things are just like that - no neat
tidy TV endings by the end of the hour.
Trump said he was now calling Putin to update
on what's possible and what's not.
Wars are tough to end. Will the Democrats be held accountable for
starting this one?
Seth Meyers, Trump Advocate wrote:
Wars are tough to end. Will the Democrats be held accountable for
starting this one?
How did they start it?
And it remains the primary condition Russia makes for ending the war
-- Ukraine should stay out of Nato, and Nato should stay out of
Ukraine.
If that could be agreed by all parties to the conflict, then it might
be possible to have a ceasefire while other contentious matters are discussed.
On Wed, 27 Aug 2025 12:15:03 +0200, Steve Hayes
<hayesstw@telkomsa.net> wrote:
On Wed, 27 Aug 2025 00:12:57 -0600, Gronk <invalide@invalid.invalid>
wrote:
Seth Meyers, Trump Advocate wrote:
Wars are tough to end. Will the Democrats be held accountable for
starting this one?
How did they start it?
AI summary:
During Bill Clinton's presidency, NATO expanded eastward to include
former Eastern Bloc countries like the Czech Republic, Hungary, and
Poland, which joined in 1999. This expansion aimed to promote
stability and democracy in Europe following the Cold War, although it
has been a source of tension with Russia, which viewed it as a threat
to its security interests.
And see here: ><https://direct.mit.edu/isec/article/44/1/7/12232/How-to-Enlarge-NATO-The-Deb
ate-inside-the-Clinton>
And it remains the primary condition Russia makes for ending the war
-- Ukraine should stay out of Nato, and Nato should stay out of
Ukraine.
If that could be agreed by all parties to the conflict, then it might
be possible to have a ceasefire while other contentious matters are >discussed.
So, it's perfectly ok for Russia to kill a million people in a years
long war in order to dictate it's neighbors foreign policy and NATO's
own rules?
Here's what really happened: Putin knew that Biden would support
Ukraine's entry into the EU and NATO and that's why he attacked when
he did.
His plan failed but he's too embarrassed by the Russian militiary's
many shortcomings to admit defeat and withdraw.
On Wed, 27 Aug 2025 06:24:13 -0700, "chine.bleu"
<chine.bleu@yahoo.com> wrote:
Steve Hayes wrote:
And it remains the primary condition Russia makes for ending the war
-- Ukraine should stay out of Nato, and Nato should stay out of
Ukraine.
If that could be agreed by all parties to the conflict, then it might
be possible to have a ceasefire while other contentious matters are
discussed.
NATO expansion is due to USSR/Russia being so vicious to its own
members. Russia has already violated at least one agreement to honour >>Ukraine's sovereignty when it gave its nuclear weapons to Russia. Putin
has given no reassurance he would honour another agreement. No NATO
member has been invaded by Russia: this would be the strongest assurance
of their sovereignty.
Putin thought NATO was weak and that he could spoof it. He didn't
realize that NATO members can operate on their own outside NATO. He
intended to limit NATO's growth by invading Ukraine but that backfired
when that invasion prodded Finland and Sweden to join.
On Wed, 27 Aug 2025 11:17:42 -0400, Governor Swill
<governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote:
On Wed, 27 Aug 2025 06:24:13 -0700, "chine.bleu"
<chine.bleu@yahoo.com> wrote:
Steve Hayes wrote:
And it remains the primary condition Russia makes for ending the war
-- Ukraine should stay out of Nato, and Nato should stay out of
Ukraine.
If that could be agreed by all parties to the conflict, then it might
be possible to have a ceasefire while other contentious matters are
discussed.
NATO expansion is due to USSR/Russia being so vicious to its own
members. Russia has already violated at least one agreement to honour
Ukraine's sovereignty when it gave its nuclear weapons to Russia. Putin
has given no reassurance he would honour another agreement. No NATO
member has been invaded by Russia: this would be the strongest assurance >>> of their sovereignty.
Putin thought NATO was weak and that he could spoof it. He didn't
realize that NATO members can operate on their own outside NATO. He
intended to limit NATO's growth by invading Ukraine but that backfired
when that invasion prodded Finland and Sweden to join.
The question was how the US Democratic Party contributed to the
current war.
On Wed, 27 Aug 2025 00:12:57 -0600, Gronk <invalide@invalid.invalid>
Seth Meyers, Trump Advocate wrote:
Wars are tough to end. Will the Democrats be held accountable for
starting this one?
How did they start it?
AI summary:
During Bill Clinton's presidency, NATO expanded eastward to include
former Eastern Bloc countries like the Czech Republic, Hungary, and
Poland, which joined in 1999. This expansion aimed to promote
stability and democracy in Europe following the Cold War, although it
has been a source of tension with Russia, which viewed it as a threat
to its security interests.
And see here: <https://direct.mit.edu/isec/article/44/1/7/12232/How-to-Enlarge-NATO-The-Debate-inside-the-Clinton>
And it remains the primary condition Russia makes for ending the war
-- Ukraine should stay out of Nato, and Nato should stay out of
Ukraine.
If that could be agreed by all parties to the conflict, then it might
be possible to have a ceasefire while other contentious matters are discussed.
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