• Re: All Is Fair In Love and Politics, Toddler

    From Alan@21:1/5 to AlleyCat on Fri Aug 22 14:38:04 2025
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    On 2025-08-22 14:31, AlleyCat wrote:

    On Fri, 22 Aug 2025 07:00:52 -0500, super70s says...

    My isn't that ironic.

    Not at all.

    Why should Democrats get away with the shit they do out of spite for
    Trump. Trump needs to KICK them back.

    Bolton was a member of Trump's administration, Loser.

    A Republican.


    Every prosecution against Trump was done with malice, and not the
    law.

    Except for the evidence, the judges signing off on warrants, the grand juries...


    Democrats have only themselves to blame for Trump's historic
    landslide. The party's establishment stuck by the clearly incapable
    incumbent president for too long, burning credibility with the
    American people, and then foisted upon us an equally unqualified and unpalatable hard left alternative. The simplistic "It's Hitler or
    us" shtick didn't work. At all. AND THE DEMOCRATS' OBSESSION WITH
    EXACTING REVENGE ON DONALD TRUMP following his 2020 loss THROUGH THE
    CRIMINAL JUSTICE SYSTEM was a key ingredient to his political
    resurrection.

    Americans won't stand for political lawfare.

    So you're not an American, then?

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  • From NoBody@21:1/5 to AlleyCat on Sat Aug 23 09:10:57 2025
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    On Fri, 22 Aug 2025 16:31:46 -0500, AlleyCat <katt@gmail.com> wrote:


    On Fri, 22 Aug 2025 07:00:52 -0500, super70s says...

    My isn't that ironic.

    Not at all.

    Why should Democrats get away with the shit they do out of spite for Trump. Trump needs to KICK them back.

    If it weren't for doublestandards libs would have no standards at all.


    Every prosecution against Trump was done with malice, and not the law.

    Democrats have only themselves to blame for Trump's historic landslide. The party's establishment stuck by the clearly incapable
    incumbent president for too long, burning credibility with the American people, and then foisted upon us an equally unqualified and
    unpalatable hard left alternative. The simplistic "It's Hitler or us" shtick didn't work. At all. AND THE DEMOCRATS' OBSESSION
    WITH EXACTING REVENGE ON DONALD TRUMP following his 2020 loss THROUGH THE CRIMINAL JUSTICE SYSTEM was a key ingredient to his
    political resurrection.

    Americans won't stand for political lawfare.

    I don't support it but no one should be shocked when the goose meets
    gander.


    As Richard Nixon stated as he resigned the presidency: "Always remember, others may hate you, but those who hate you don't win
    unless you hate them, and then you destroy yourself." Wise words for us all - and particularly today for those Democrats who have
    been preoccupied with Trump these past (eight) years.

    So... when Obama, Holder and Biden do it, it's just fine, but when Trump does it, it somehow violates ethics?

    HOW does that work, EXACTLY?

    Michelle Obama: "When they go low, we go high."

    IOW: revenge

    Holder: "No. No. When they go low, we kick them."

    IOW: revenge

    Add in Newsome trying to change California's constitution to
    gerrymander to bring us up to date.

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  • From NoBody@21:1/5 to AlleyCat on Sat Aug 23 09:12:03 2025
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    On Fri, 22 Aug 2025 20:44:41 -0500, AlleyCat <katt@gmail.com> wrote:


    On Fri, 22 Aug 2025 14:38:04 -0700, Alan says...


    On 2025-08-22 14:31, AlleyCat wrote:

    On Fri, 22 Aug 2025 07:00:52 -0500, super70s says...

    My isn't that ironic.

    Not at all.

    Why should Democrats get away with the shit they do out of spite for
    Trump. Trump needs to KICK them back.

    Bolton was a member of Trump's administration, Loser.

    A Republican.

    So?

    And?

    And a never-Trumper.

    And a weasel.

    It does not matter. Bolton is a war-hawk, bent on keeping us in wars. Trump doesn't.

    Trump does not want any more killing. Bolton wants to nuke the Middle east out of existence, and YOU'RE fine with that, JUST
    because he has TDS, like you.

    Gotcha.

    Bolton is a political enemy. He deserves whatever retribution Trump can throw at him.

    Time to perp walk Michael-John

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  • From Alan@21:1/5 to NoBody on Sat Aug 23 08:36:42 2025
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    On 2025-08-23 06:10, NoBody wrote:
    On Fri, 22 Aug 2025 16:31:46 -0500, AlleyCat <katt@gmail.com> wrote:


    On Fri, 22 Aug 2025 07:00:52 -0500, super70s says...

    My isn't that ironic.

    Not at all.

    Why should Democrats get away with the shit they do out of spite for Trump. Trump needs to KICK them back.

    If it weren't for doublestandards libs would have no standards at all.


    Every prosecution against Trump was done with malice, and not the law.

    Democrats have only themselves to blame for Trump's historic landslide. The party's establishment stuck by the clearly incapable
    incumbent president for too long, burning credibility with the American people, and then foisted upon us an equally unqualified and
    unpalatable hard left alternative. The simplistic "It's Hitler or us" shtick didn't work. At all. AND THE DEMOCRATS' OBSESSION
    WITH EXACTING REVENGE ON DONALD TRUMP following his 2020 loss THROUGH THE CRIMINAL JUSTICE SYSTEM was a key ingredient to his
    political resurrection.

    Americans won't stand for political lawfare.

    I don't support it but no one should be shocked when the goose meets
    gander.

    I'm not shocked by your hypocrisy.

    You're defending it this time.

    Bolton is undergoing this for one reason, and one reason only: he was
    critical of Trump.



    As Richard Nixon stated as he resigned the presidency: "Always remember, others may hate you, but those who hate you don't win
    unless you hate them, and then you destroy yourself." Wise words for us all - and particularly today for those Democrats who have
    been preoccupied with Trump these past (eight) years.

    So... when Obama, Holder and Biden do it, it's just fine, but when Trump does it, it somehow violates ethics?

    HOW does that work, EXACTLY?

    Michelle Obama: "When they go low, we go high."

    IOW: revenge

    Holder: "No. No. When they go low, we kick them."

    IOW: revenge

    Add in Newsome trying to change California's constitution to
    gerrymander to bring us up to date.

    1. Not change the constitution.

    2. In direct response to Texas doing the same thing...

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  • From NoBody@21:1/5 to AlleyCat on Sun Aug 24 09:52:48 2025
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    On Sat, 23 Aug 2025 22:24:58 -0500, AlleyCat <katt@gmail.com> wrote:


    On Sat, 23 Aug 2025 08:36:42 -0700, Alan says...

    I don't support it but no one should be shocked when the goose meets
    gander.

    I'm not shocked by your hypocrisy.

    No hypocrisy. Bolton's been trying to screw Trump every time he can.

    You're defending it this time.

    You misunderstand, as usual. Yes, we railed against lawfare, going so far to say it was wrong, but that was to get the Democrats to
    stop it. They didn't, so we're perfectly happy to do it to them.

    Alan is the hypocrite here as I never saw him speak against the
    endless lawfare that was used against Trump.

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  • From NoBody@21:1/5 to Alan on Sun Aug 24 09:51:19 2025
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    On Sat, 23 Aug 2025 08:36:42 -0700, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:

    On 2025-08-23 06:10, NoBody wrote:
    On Fri, 22 Aug 2025 16:31:46 -0500, AlleyCat <katt@gmail.com> wrote:


    On Fri, 22 Aug 2025 07:00:52 -0500, super70s says...

    My isn't that ironic.

    Not at all.

    Why should Democrats get away with the shit they do out of spite for Trump. Trump needs to KICK them back.

    If it weren't for doublestandards libs would have no standards at all.


    Every prosecution against Trump was done with malice, and not the law.

    Democrats have only themselves to blame for Trump's historic landslide. The party's establishment stuck by the clearly incapable
    incumbent president for too long, burning credibility with the American people, and then foisted upon us an equally unqualified and
    unpalatable hard left alternative. The simplistic "It's Hitler or us" shtick didn't work. At all. AND THE DEMOCRATS' OBSESSION
    WITH EXACTING REVENGE ON DONALD TRUMP following his 2020 loss THROUGH THE CRIMINAL JUSTICE SYSTEM was a key ingredient to his
    political resurrection.

    Americans won't stand for political lawfare.

    I don't support it but no one should be shocked when the goose meets
    gander.

    I'm not shocked by your hypocrisy.

    You're defending it this time.


    You can't read. I didn't defend it. I pointed out reality.

    Bolton is undergoing this for one reason, and one reason only: he was >critical of Trump.


    Laughter!

    That will depend upon the outcome of the raid. If he had classified
    documents that blows your theory right up.

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  • From Alan@21:1/5 to NoBody on Sun Aug 24 12:08:42 2025
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    On 2025-08-24 06:51, NoBody wrote:
    On Sat, 23 Aug 2025 08:36:42 -0700, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:

    On 2025-08-23 06:10, NoBody wrote:
    On Fri, 22 Aug 2025 16:31:46 -0500, AlleyCat <katt@gmail.com> wrote:


    On Fri, 22 Aug 2025 07:00:52 -0500, super70s says...

    My isn't that ironic.

    Not at all.

    Why should Democrats get away with the shit they do out of spite for Trump. Trump needs to KICK them back.

    If it weren't for doublestandards libs would have no standards at all.


    Every prosecution against Trump was done with malice, and not the law. >>>>
    Democrats have only themselves to blame for Trump's historic landslide. The party's establishment stuck by the clearly incapable
    incumbent president for too long, burning credibility with the American people, and then foisted upon us an equally unqualified and
    unpalatable hard left alternative. The simplistic "It's Hitler or us" shtick didn't work. At all. AND THE DEMOCRATS' OBSESSION
    WITH EXACTING REVENGE ON DONALD TRUMP following his 2020 loss THROUGH THE CRIMINAL JUSTICE SYSTEM was a key ingredient to his
    political resurrection.

    Americans won't stand for political lawfare.

    I don't support it but no one should be shocked when the goose meets
    gander.

    I'm not shocked by your hypocrisy.

    You're defending it this time.


    You can't read. I didn't defend it. I pointed out reality.

    Bolton is undergoing this for one reason, and one reason only: he was
    critical of Trump.


    Laughter!

    That will depend upon the outcome of the raid. If he had classified documents that blows your theory right up.


    Nope.

    Intent still matters.

    Bolton spent decades in the federal government, and there is difference
    between deliberately taking classified documents (as Trump most
    definitely did), and inadvertently having some in your possession.

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  • From super70s@21:1/5 to Alan on Sun Aug 24 14:58:57 2025
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    On 2025-08-24 19:08:42 +0000, Alan said:

    On 2025-08-24 06:51, NoBody wrote:
    On Sat, 23 Aug 2025 08:36:42 -0700, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:

    On 2025-08-23 06:10, NoBody wrote:
    On Fri, 22 Aug 2025 16:31:46 -0500, AlleyCat <katt@gmail.com> wrote:


    On Fri, 22 Aug 2025 07:00:52 -0500, super70s says...

    My isn't that ironic.

    Not at all.

    Why should Democrats get away with the shit they do out of spite for >>>>> Trump. Trump needs to KICK them back.

    If it weren't for doublestandards libs would have no standards at all. >>>>

    Every prosecution against Trump was done with malice, and not the law. >>>>>
    Democrats have only themselves to blame for Trump's historic landslide. >>>>> The party's establishment stuck by the clearly incapable
    incumbent president for too long, burning credibility with the American >>>>> people, and then foisted upon us an equally unqualified and
    unpalatable hard left alternative. The simplistic "It's Hitler or us" >>>>> shtick didn't work. At all. AND THE DEMOCRATS' OBSESSION
    WITH EXACTING REVENGE ON DONALD TRUMP following his 2020 loss THROUGH >>>>> THE CRIMINAL JUSTICE SYSTEM was a key ingredient to his
    political resurrection.

    Americans won't stand for political lawfare.

    I don't support it but no one should be shocked when the goose meets
    gander.

    I'm not shocked by your hypocrisy.

    You're defending it this time.


    You can't read. I didn't defend it. I pointed out reality.

    Bolton is undergoing this for one reason, and one reason only: he was
    critical of Trump.


    Laughter!

    That will depend upon the outcome of the raid. If he had classified
    documents that blows your theory right up.


    Nope.

    Intent still matters.

    Bolton spent decades in the federal government, and there is difference between deliberately taking classified documents (as Trump most
    definitely did), and inadvertently having some in your possession.

    Right, the latter is what they determined Biden and Mike Pence did.

    That was back when we had an independent DOJ though. The same DOJ that prosecuted Hunter Biden, Eric Adams, Bob Menendez, TJ Cox, Henry
    Cuellar, Andrew Gillam and Michael Madigan (all Democrats) for all you rightwing doubters.

    Now the DOJ is a fully owned political arm of the Trump regime
    primarily concerned with prosecuting his real or perceived political
    enemies.

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  • From Trump Is A Rapist@21:1/5 to All on Sun Aug 24 13:06:34 2025
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    On 8/24/2025 12:58 PM, super70s wrote:
    On 2025-08-24 19:08:42 +0000, Alan said:

    On 2025-08-24 06:51, NoBody wrote:
    On Sat, 23 Aug 2025 08:36:42 -0700, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:

    On 2025-08-23 06:10, NoBody wrote:
    On Fri, 22 Aug 2025 16:31:46 -0500, AlleyCat <katt@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>

    On Fri, 22 Aug 2025 07:00:52 -0500,  super70s says...

    My isn't that ironic.

    Not at all.

    Why should Democrats get away with the shit they do out of spite for >>>>>> Trump. Trump needs to KICK them back.

    If it weren't for doublestandards libs would have no standards at all. >>>>>

    Every prosecution against Trump was done with malice, and not the law. >>>>>>
    Democrats have only themselves to blame for Trump's historic landslide. >>>>>> The party's establishment stuck by the clearly incapable
    incumbent president for too long, burning credibility with the American >>>>>> people, and then foisted upon us an equally unqualified and
    unpalatable hard left alternative. The simplistic "It's Hitler or us" >>>>>> shtick didn't work. At all.  AND THE DEMOCRATS' OBSESSION
    WITH EXACTING REVENGE ON DONALD TRUMP following his 2020 loss THROUGH THE
    CRIMINAL JUSTICE SYSTEM was a key ingredient to his
    political resurrection.

    Americans won't stand for political lawfare.

    I don't support it but no one should be shocked when the goose meets >>>>> gander.

    I'm not shocked by your hypocrisy.

    You're defending it this time.


    You can't read.  I didn't defend it.  I pointed out reality.

    Bolton is undergoing this for one reason, and one reason only: he was
    critical of Trump.


    Laughter!

    That will depend upon the outcome of the raid.  If he had classified
    documents that blows your theory right up.


    Nope.

    Intent still matters.

    Bolton spent decades in the federal government, and there is difference
    between deliberately taking classified documents (as Trump most definitely >> did), and inadvertently having some in your possession.

    Right, the latter is what they determined Biden and Mike Pence did.

    Exactly right. Neither Biden nor Pence hauled off hundreds of boxes of documents
    *after* they were out of office. Trump did.

    Trump and his White House staff packed up those boxes and stole them. Trump repeatedly insisted the documents were his, but they are *not*. He even lied about the Presidential Records Act and said it authorized him to take and keep them, when in fact the absolute opposite is true. Even something as trivial as paper cocktail napkins from White House dinners is *still* the property of the government.


    That was back when we had an independent DOJ though. The same DOJ that prosecuted Hunter Biden, Eric Adams, Bob Menendez, TJ Cox, Henry Cuellar, Andrew
    Gillam and Michael Madigan (all Democrats) for all you rightwing doubters.

    Now the DOJ is a fully owned political arm of the Trump regime primarily concerned with prosecuting his real or perceived political enemies.

    *Persecuting* them. They have committed no crimes.

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  • From chine.bleu@21:1/5 to All on Sun Aug 24 14:00:45 2025
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    super70s wrote:
    Right, the latter is what they determined Biden and Mike Pence did.


    idjt's crime is not possession because it would be hard to show in court
    how he possessed them. His crime was obstruction of justice for ignoring subpoenas for the documents. Biden and Pence returned documents without
    even waiting for subpoena. They did not obstruct justice.

    The first step with Bolton is to show he even had documents. Since DoJ
    Barbie has not displayed any, we can assume he did not have anything.
    That means this was just to harass a TACO critic.

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  • From chine.bleu@21:1/5 to Trump Is A Rapist on Sun Aug 24 14:07:15 2025
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    Trump Is A Rapist wrote:
    Exactly right. Neither Biden nor Pence hauled off hundreds of boxes of documents *after* they were out of office. Trump did.


    We do not know he did. To prove a crime it has to be beyond reasonable
    doubt. There is doubt how they came into his possession. Where there is
    no doubt is the FBI found documents that had been subpoenaed.

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  • From Alan@21:1/5 to chine.bleu on Sun Aug 24 14:49:41 2025
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    On 2025-08-24 14:07, chine.bleu wrote:
    Trump Is A Rapist wrote:
    Exactly right. Neither Biden nor Pence hauled off hundreds of boxes of
    documents *after* they were out of office. Trump did.


    We do not know he did. To prove a crime it has to be beyond reasonable
    doubt. There is doubt how they came into his possession. Where there is
    no doubt is the FBI found documents that had been subpoenaed.
    We do know that Trump took documents with him when he left the White House.

    That is not conjecture: that is FACT.

    We know that some of those documents were classified.

    That is not conjecture: that is FACT.

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  • From Alan@21:1/5 to NoBody on Sun Aug 24 14:57:28 2025
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    On 2025-08-24 06:52, NoBody wrote:
    On Sat, 23 Aug 2025 22:24:58 -0500, AlleyCat <katt@gmail.com> wrote:


    On Sat, 23 Aug 2025 08:36:42 -0700, Alan says...

    I don't support it but no one should be shocked when the goose meets
    gander.

    I'm not shocked by your hypocrisy.

    No hypocrisy. Bolton's been trying to screw Trump every time he can.

    You're defending it this time.

    You misunderstand, as usual. Yes, we railed against lawfare, going so far to say it was wrong, but that was to get the Democrats to
    stop it. They didn't, so we're perfectly happy to do it to them.

    Alan is the hypocrite here as I never saw him speak against the
    endless lawfare that was used against Trump.


    There was no "lawfare" used against Trump.

    He was investigated and charge for things he actually DID.

    He really DID have a pornstar paid off to avoid bad publicity during his campaign.

    He really DID violate campaign finance law to avoid having those
    payments show up.

    He really DID falsify business records to make that cover-up possible.

    He really DID take classified documents with him when he left office and
    store them (unsafely) at his home in Mar-a-Lago.

    He really DID fail to return all of them when requested by the National Archive.

    He really DID return some to the National Archive after that, but still
    retain some while claiming he'd returned everything.

    All of those are facts, snowflake.

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  • From pothead@21:1/5 to Alan on Sun Aug 24 22:00:52 2025
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    On 2025-08-24, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
    On 2025-08-24 14:07, chine.bleu wrote:
    Trump Is A Rapist wrote:
    Exactly right. Neither Biden nor Pence hauled off hundreds of boxes of
    documents *after* they were out of office. Trump did.


    We do not know he did. To prove a crime it has to be beyond reasonable
    doubt. There is doubt how they came into his possession. Where there is
    no doubt is the FBI found documents that had been subpoenaed.
    We do know that Trump took documents with him when he left the White House.

    That is not conjecture: that is FACT.

    We know that some of those documents were classified.

    That is not conjecture: that is FACT.

    And the fact is that as POTUS he has the right to declassify said documents unlike
    Biden who unlawfully removed documents from the SCIF or Bolton who obtained
    the documents from who knows where and who may have shared them with who knows who.

    I say, let's see what happens.
    --
    pothead

    "Our lives are fashioned by our choices. First we make our choices.
    Then our choices make us."
    -- Anne Frank

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  • From Alan@21:1/5 to pothead on Sun Aug 24 15:51:27 2025
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    On 2025-08-24 15:00, pothead wrote:
    On 2025-08-24, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
    On 2025-08-24 14:07, chine.bleu wrote:
    Trump Is A Rapist wrote:
    Exactly right. Neither Biden nor Pence hauled off hundreds of boxes of >>>> documents *after* they were out of office. Trump did.


    We do not know he did. To prove a crime it has to be beyond reasonable
    doubt. There is doubt how they came into his possession. Where there is
    no doubt is the FBI found documents that had been subpoenaed.
    We do know that Trump took documents with him when he left the White House. >>
    That is not conjecture: that is FACT.

    We know that some of those documents were classified.

    That is not conjecture: that is FACT.

    And the fact is that as POTUS he has the right to declassify said documents unlike
    Biden who unlawfully removed documents from the SCIF or Bolton who obtained the documents from who knows where and who may have shared them with who knows who.

    But he DIDN'T declassify them.

    That is also a fact.

    "Unlawfully" implies "knowingly". It isn't "unlawful" to shoot someone
    in the head if you had know way of knowing that's what was about to happen.


    I say, let's see what happens.

    And when it doesn't come out your way, you'll claim it's the deep state.

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  • From chine.bleu@21:1/5 to Alan on Sun Aug 24 16:32:14 2025
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    Alan wrote:
    We do know that Trump took documents with him when he left the White House.

    That is not conjecture: that is FACT.


    Irrelevant unless you can prove beyond reasonable doubt.
    We can prove beyond reasonable doubt he defied a subpoena which is
    obstruction of justice.

    Due to the Bill of Rights, we cannot do anything because a person might
    have committed a crime. We have to prove through due process a crime was committed. Just because TACO is denying others due process, taking that
    away from him is hypoccrisy.

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  • From chine.bleu@21:1/5 to Alan on Sun Aug 24 16:34:56 2025
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    XPost: alt.politics.usa.republican

    Alan wrote:
    But he DIDN'T declassify them.

    It does not matter. He could fought the subpoena in court and the search warrant at trial.

    The only provable crime oi obstruction of justice.

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  • From pothead@21:1/5 to Alan on Sun Aug 24 23:34:34 2025
    XPost: alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, can.politics, alt.politics.democrats
    XPost: alt.politics.usa.republican

    On 2025-08-24, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
    On 2025-08-24 15:00, pothead wrote:
    On 2025-08-24, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
    On 2025-08-24 14:07, chine.bleu wrote:
    Trump Is A Rapist wrote:
    Exactly right. Neither Biden nor Pence hauled off hundreds of boxes of >>>>> documents *after* they were out of office. Trump did.


    We do not know he did. To prove a crime it has to be beyond reasonable >>>> doubt. There is doubt how they came into his possession. Where there is >>>> no doubt is the FBI found documents that had been subpoenaed.
    We do know that Trump took documents with him when he left the White House. >>>
    That is not conjecture: that is FACT.

    We know that some of those documents were classified.

    That is not conjecture: that is FACT.

    And the fact is that as POTUS he has the right to declassify said documents unlike
    Biden who unlawfully removed documents from the SCIF or Bolton who obtained >> the documents from who knows where and who may have shared them with who knows who.

    But he DIDN'T declassify them.

    That is also a fact.

    Possibly but either way, Trump is on far more solid ground that Biden or Bolton are.

    "Unlawfully" implies "knowingly". It isn't "unlawful" to shoot someone
    in the head if you had know way of knowing that's what was about to happen.

    Huh?

    I say, let's see what happens.

    And when it doesn't come out your way, you'll claim it's the deep state.

    You and your compadres have been claiming the deep state is a conspiracy theory and now the truth is coming out that it is indeed real.
    Same with the Hunter laptop.
    Same with the Russian collusion hoax promoted by Hillary.

    And I'm sitting back relaxing, laughing and having a nice glass of Pago de Carraovejas
    wine along with some NY well aged cheddar cheese while you keep dancing.


    --
    pothead

    "Our lives are fashioned by our choices. First we make our choices.
    Then our choices make us."
    -- Anne Frank

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  • From Alan@21:1/5 to pothead on Sun Aug 24 18:26:12 2025
    XPost: alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, can.politics, alt.politics.democrats
    XPost: alt.politics.usa.republican

    On 2025-08-24 16:34, pothead wrote:
    On 2025-08-24, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
    On 2025-08-24 15:00, pothead wrote:
    On 2025-08-24, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
    On 2025-08-24 14:07, chine.bleu wrote:
    Trump Is A Rapist wrote:
    Exactly right. Neither Biden nor Pence hauled off hundreds of boxes of >>>>>> documents *after* they were out of office. Trump did.


    We do not know he did. To prove a crime it has to be beyond reasonable >>>>> doubt. There is doubt how they came into his possession. Where there is >>>>> no doubt is the FBI found documents that had been subpoenaed.
    We do know that Trump took documents with him when he left the White House.

    That is not conjecture: that is FACT.

    We know that some of those documents were classified.

    That is not conjecture: that is FACT.

    And the fact is that as POTUS he has the right to declassify said documents unlike
    Biden who unlawfully removed documents from the SCIF or Bolton who obtained >>> the documents from who knows where and who may have shared them with who knows who.

    But he DIDN'T declassify them.

    That is also a fact.

    Possibly but either way, Trump is on far more solid ground that Biden or Bolton are.

    Absolutely not.


    "Unlawfully" implies "knowingly". It isn't "unlawful" to shoot someone
    in the head if you had know way of knowing that's what was about to happen.

    Huh?

    That confounds you, does it?


    I say, let's see what happens.

    And when it doesn't come out your way, you'll claim it's the deep state.

    You and your compadres have been claiming the deep state is a conspiracy theory
    and now the truth is coming out that it is indeed real.
    Same with the Hunter laptop.

    Where nothing of substance was ever shown.

    Same with the Russian collusion hoax promoted by Hillary.

    Trump's campaign DID collude with Russia.


    And I'm sitting back relaxing, laughing and having a nice glass of Pago de Carraovejas
    wine along with some NY well aged cheddar cheese while you keep dancing.
    Ah! A little brag!

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  • From Alan@21:1/5 to chine.bleu on Sun Aug 24 18:27:22 2025
    XPost: alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, can.politics, alt.politics.democrats
    XPost: alt.politics.usa.republican

    On 2025-08-24 16:32, chine.bleu wrote:
    Alan wrote:
    We do know that Trump took documents with him when he left the White
    House.

    That is not conjecture: that is FACT.


    Irrelevant unless you can prove beyond reasonable doubt.

    Not irrelevant.

    Facts remain facts, and the simple lack of a successful conviction
    doesn't change a fact into a falsehood.

    We can prove beyond reasonable doubt he defied a subpoena which is obstruction of justice.

    Due to the Bill of Rights, we cannot do anything because a person might
    have committed a crime. We have to prove through due process a crime was committed. Just because TACO is denying others due process, taking that
    away from him is hypoccrisy.
    Due process was NOT taken away from him.

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  • From NoBody@21:1/5 to Alan on Mon Aug 25 06:51:30 2025
    XPost: alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, can.politics, alt.politics.liberalism
    XPost: alt.politics.democrats, alt.politics.usa.republican

    On Sun, 24 Aug 2025 14:57:28 -0700, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:

    On 2025-08-24 06:52, NoBody wrote:
    On Sat, 23 Aug 2025 22:24:58 -0500, AlleyCat <katt@gmail.com> wrote:


    On Sat, 23 Aug 2025 08:36:42 -0700, Alan says...

    I don't support it but no one should be shocked when the goose meets >>>>> gander.

    I'm not shocked by your hypocrisy.

    No hypocrisy. Bolton's been trying to screw Trump every time he can.

    You're defending it this time.

    You misunderstand, as usual. Yes, we railed against lawfare, going so far to say it was wrong, but that was to get the Democrats to
    stop it. They didn't, so we're perfectly happy to do it to them.

    Alan is the hypocrite here as I never saw him speak against the
    endless lawfare that was used against Trump.


    There was no "lawfare" used against Trump.

    Laugher!

    No more needs to be said.

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  • From NoBody@21:1/5 to Alan on Mon Aug 25 06:53:13 2025
    XPost: alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, can.politics, alt.politics.liberalism
    XPost: alt.politics.democrats, alt.politics.usa.republican

    On Sun, 24 Aug 2025 12:08:42 -0700, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:

    On 2025-08-24 06:51, NoBody wrote:
    On Sat, 23 Aug 2025 08:36:42 -0700, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:

    On 2025-08-23 06:10, NoBody wrote:
    On Fri, 22 Aug 2025 16:31:46 -0500, AlleyCat <katt@gmail.com> wrote:


    On Fri, 22 Aug 2025 07:00:52 -0500, super70s says...

    My isn't that ironic.

    Not at all.

    Why should Democrats get away with the shit they do out of spite for Trump. Trump needs to KICK them back.

    If it weren't for doublestandards libs would have no standards at all. >>>>

    Every prosecution against Trump was done with malice, and not the law. >>>>>
    Democrats have only themselves to blame for Trump's historic landslide. The party's establishment stuck by the clearly incapable
    incumbent president for too long, burning credibility with the American people, and then foisted upon us an equally unqualified and
    unpalatable hard left alternative. The simplistic "It's Hitler or us" shtick didn't work. At all. AND THE DEMOCRATS' OBSESSION
    WITH EXACTING REVENGE ON DONALD TRUMP following his 2020 loss THROUGH THE CRIMINAL JUSTICE SYSTEM was a key ingredient to his
    political resurrection.

    Americans won't stand for political lawfare.

    I don't support it but no one should be shocked when the goose meets
    gander.

    I'm not shocked by your hypocrisy.

    You're defending it this time.


    You can't read. I didn't defend it. I pointed out reality.

    Bolton is undergoing this for one reason, and one reason only: he was
    critical of Trump.


    Laughter!

    That will depend upon the outcome of the raid. If he had classified
    documents that blows your theory right up.


    Nope.

    Yep.


    Intent still matters.


    Not really.


    Bolton spent decades in the federal government, and there is difference >between deliberately taking classified documents (as Trump most
    definitely did), and inadvertently having some in your possession.

    Ooops I accidentally took confidential documents home?

    Are you serious?

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  • From NoBody@21:1/5 to pothead@snakebite.com on Mon Aug 25 06:55:08 2025
    XPost: alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, can.politics, alt.politics.democrats
    XPost: alt.politics.usa.republican

    On Sun, 24 Aug 2025 22:00:52 -0000 (UTC), pothead
    <pothead@snakebite.com> wrote:

    On 2025-08-24, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
    On 2025-08-24 14:07, chine.bleu wrote:
    Trump Is A Rapist wrote:
    Exactly right. Neither Biden nor Pence hauled off hundreds of boxes of >>>> documents *after* they were out of office. Trump did.


    We do not know he did. To prove a crime it has to be beyond reasonable
    doubt. There is doubt how they came into his possession. Where there is
    no doubt is the FBI found documents that had been subpoenaed.
    We do know that Trump took documents with him when he left the White House. >>
    That is not conjecture: that is FACT.

    We know that some of those documents were classified.

    That is not conjecture: that is FACT.

    And the fact is that as POTUS he has the right to declassify said documents unlike
    Biden who unlawfully removed documents from the SCIF or Bolton who obtained >the documents from who knows where and who may have shared them with who knows who.

    Alan is attempting to justify his hypocrisy on the matters.
    It falls completely flat.


    I say, let's see what happens.

    That is what a thinking person would say but Alan is not a thinking
    person.

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  • From NoBody@21:1/5 to pothead@snakebite.com on Mon Aug 25 06:57:24 2025
    XPost: alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, can.politics, alt.politics.democrats
    XPost: alt.politics.usa.republican

    On Sun, 24 Aug 2025 23:34:34 -0000 (UTC), pothead
    <pothead@snakebite.com> wrote:

    On 2025-08-24, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
    On 2025-08-24 15:00, pothead wrote:
    On 2025-08-24, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
    On 2025-08-24 14:07, chine.bleu wrote:
    Trump Is A Rapist wrote:
    Exactly right. Neither Biden nor Pence hauled off hundreds of boxes of >>>>>> documents *after* they were out of office. Trump did.


    We do not know he did. To prove a crime it has to be beyond reasonable >>>>> doubt. There is doubt how they came into his possession. Where there is >>>>> no doubt is the FBI found documents that had been subpoenaed.
    We do know that Trump took documents with him when he left the White House.

    That is not conjecture: that is FACT.

    We know that some of those documents were classified.

    That is not conjecture: that is FACT.

    And the fact is that as POTUS he has the right to declassify said documents unlike
    Biden who unlawfully removed documents from the SCIF or Bolton who obtained >>> the documents from who knows where and who may have shared them with who knows who.

    But he DIDN'T declassify them.

    That is also a fact.

    Possibly but either way, Trump is on far more solid ground that Biden or Bolton are.


    Also note that none of the Trump cases went to trial after endless investigations.

    No trial no guilt of a crime.


    "Unlawfully" implies "knowingly". It isn't "unlawful" to shoot someone
    in the head if you had know way of knowing that's what was about to happen.

    Huh?

    Yeah, he really said that.


    I say, let's see what happens.

    And when it doesn't come out your way, you'll claim it's the deep state.

    You and your compadres have been claiming the deep state is a conspiracy theory
    and now the truth is coming out that it is indeed real.
    Same with the Hunter laptop.
    Same with the Russian collusion hoax promoted by Hillary.


    Hypocrisy is the suit Alan puts on every day.

    And I'm sitting back relaxing, laughing and having a nice glass of Pago de Carraovejas
    wine along with some NY well aged cheddar cheese while you keep dancing.

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  • From NoBody@21:1/5 to Alan on Mon Aug 25 06:59:24 2025
    XPost: alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, can.politics, alt.politics.democrats
    XPost: alt.politics.usa.republican

    On Sun, 24 Aug 2025 18:26:12 -0700, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:

    On 2025-08-24 16:34, pothead wrote:
    On 2025-08-24, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
    On 2025-08-24 15:00, pothead wrote:
    On 2025-08-24, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
    On 2025-08-24 14:07, chine.bleu wrote:
    Trump Is A Rapist wrote:
    Exactly right. Neither Biden nor Pence hauled off hundreds of boxes of >>>>>>> documents *after* they were out of office. Trump did.


    We do not know he did. To prove a crime it has to be beyond reasonable >>>>>> doubt. There is doubt how they came into his possession. Where there is >>>>>> no doubt is the FBI found documents that had been subpoenaed.
    We do know that Trump took documents with him when he left the White House.

    That is not conjecture: that is FACT.

    We know that some of those documents were classified.

    That is not conjecture: that is FACT.

    And the fact is that as POTUS he has the right to declassify said documents unlike
    Biden who unlawfully removed documents from the SCIF or Bolton who obtained
    the documents from who knows where and who may have shared them with who knows who.

    But he DIDN'T declassify them.

    That is also a fact.

    Possibly but either way, Trump is on far more solid ground that Biden or Bolton are.

    Absolutely not.


    Stomps feet.

    Laughter!


    "Unlawfully" implies "knowingly". It isn't "unlawful" to shoot someone
    in the head if you had know way of knowing that's what was about to happen. >>
    Huh?

    That confounds you, does it?

    Explain your thoughts.

    This should be amusing.



    I say, let's see what happens.

    And when it doesn't come out your way, you'll claim it's the deep state.

    You and your compadres have been claiming the deep state is a conspiracy theory
    and now the truth is coming out that it is indeed real.
    Same with the Hunter laptop.

    Where nothing of substance was ever shown.

    Same with the Russian collusion hoax promoted by Hillary.

    Trump's campaign DID collude with Russia.


    Laughter!



    And I'm sitting back relaxing, laughing and having a nice glass of Pago de Carraovejas
    wine along with some NY well aged cheddar cheese while you keep dancing. >Ah! A little brag!

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  • From super70s@21:1/5 to NoBody on Mon Aug 25 07:28:26 2025
    XPost: alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, can.politics, alt.politics.democrats
    XPost: alt.politics.usa.republican

    On 2025-08-25 10:51:30 +0000, NoBody said:

    On Sun, 24 Aug 2025 14:57:28 -0700, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:

    On 2025-08-24 06:52, NoBody wrote:
    On Sat, 23 Aug 2025 22:24:58 -0500, AlleyCat <katt@gmail.com> wrote:


    On Sat, 23 Aug 2025 08:36:42 -0700, Alan says...

    I don't support it but no one should be shocked when the goose meets >>>>>> gander.

    I'm not shocked by your hypocrisy.

    No hypocrisy. Bolton's been trying to screw Trump every time he can.

    You're defending it this time.

    You misunderstand, as usual. Yes, we railed against lawfare, going so
    far to say it was wrong, but that was to get the Democrats to
    stop it. They didn't, so we're perfectly happy to do it to them.

    Alan is the hypocrite here as I never saw him speak against the
    endless lawfare that was used against Trump.


    There was no "lawfare" used against Trump.

    Laugher!

    Getting a little careless with the trite canned responses aren't you.

    No more needs to be said.

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  • From Chris Ahlstrom@21:1/5 to Alan on Mon Aug 25 08:27:16 2025
    XPost: alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, can.politics, alt.politics.democrats
    XPost: alt.politics.usa.republican

    Alan wrote this post while blinking in Morse code:

    On 2025-08-24 16:32, chine.bleu wrote:
    Alan wrote:
    We do know that Trump took documents with him when he left the White
    House.

    That is not conjecture: that is FACT.

    Irrelevant unless you can prove beyond reasonable doubt.

    Not irrelevant.

    Facts remain facts, and the simple lack of a successful conviction
    doesn't change a fact into a falsehood.

    We can prove beyond reasonable doubt he defied a subpoena which is
    obstruction of justice.

    Due to the Bill of Rights, we cannot do anything because a person might
    have committed a crime. We have to prove through due process a crime was
    committed. Just because TACO is denying others due process, taking that
    away from him is hypoccrisy.

    Due process was NOT taken away from him.

    Actually, due process WAS taken away from Trump, by suborned judge
    Aileen Cannon. She took it away to BENEFIT Trump.

    <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aileen_Cannon>

    On December 1, the Eleventh Circuit ordered the case to be
    dismissed because Cannon "improperly exercised equitable
    jurisdiction" over it. The Eleventh Circuit stated that Trump
    needed to show that the case met all four criteria under the
    Richey test for equitable jurisdiction over lawsuits for
    seized materials but failed to do so for any criteria. The
    Eleventh Circuit found that under Cannon "the district court
    stepped in with its own reasoning" multiple times to argue in
    favor of Trump, sometimes even taking positions that Trump did
    not argue before the appeals court. The Eleventh Circuit also
    found that when Trump did not explain what materials he still
    needed to return, or why, the "district court was undeterred
    by this lack of information".

    The National Law Journal wrote that the Eleventh Circuit's
    decision "reads as a rebuke of" Cannon, with New York
    University law professor Peter M. Shane commenting that "[i]f
    an appellate court tells a lower court that we can only accept
    your judgment by betraying one of the nation's founding
    principles, that's a pretty strong rebuke." Duke University
    School of Law professor Samuel W. Buell opined on the case
    affecting Cannon's judicial legacy, stating that it "might end
    up being the most high-profile case she has in her career, so
    it's not going away", but the Eleventh Circuit's "opinion has
    her having been very wrong".

    On December 8, the Eleventh Circuit ended the special master's
    review and permitted the government to use non-classified
    seized material in its investigation. On December 12, Cannon
    had Trump's case "dismissed for lack of jurisdiction", after
    the Eleventh Circuit instructed her to dismiss.

    Cannon was the subject of ethics complaints over her handling
    of this case, but the complaints were dismissed in December
    2022 by the Eleventh Circuit's chief judge, William Pryor.

    --
    My uncle Murray conquered Egypt in 53 B.C. And I can prove it too!!

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  • From Subhuman Jew Stephen Miller@21:1/5 to NoBody on Mon Aug 25 07:43:53 2025
    XPost: alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, can.politics, alt.politics.liberalism
    XPost: alt.politics.democrats, alt.politics.usa.republican

    On 8/25/2025 3:51 AM, NoBody wrote:
    On Sun, 24 Aug 2025 14:57:28 -0700, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:

    On 2025-08-24 06:52, NoBody wrote:
    On Sat, 23 Aug 2025 22:24:58 -0500, AlleyCat <katt@gmail.com> wrote:


    On Sat, 23 Aug 2025 08:36:42 -0700, Alan says...

    I don't support it but no one should be shocked when the goose meets >>>>>> gander.

    I'm not shocked by your hypocrisy.

    No hypocrisy. Bolton's been trying to screw Trump every time he can.

    You're defending it this time.

    You misunderstand, as usual. Yes, we railed against lawfare, going so far to say it was wrong, but that was to get the Democrats to
    stop it. They didn't, so we're perfectly happy to do it to them.

    Alan is the hypocrite here as I never saw him speak against the
    endless lawfare that was used against Trump.


    There was no "lawfare" used against Trump.

    Laugher!

    No more needs to be said.

    That's right. But we might as well repeat it: There was no "lawfare" used against Trump. Every investigation and prosecution of Trump was based on mountains of rock-solid, unimpeachable evidence.

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  • From pothead@21:1/5 to NoBody on Mon Aug 25 14:36:51 2025
    XPost: alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, can.politics, alt.politics.liberalism
    XPost: alt.politics.democrats, alt.politics.usa.republican

    On 2025-08-25, NoBody <NoBody@nowhere.com> wrote:
    On Sun, 24 Aug 2025 14:57:28 -0700, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:

    On 2025-08-24 06:52, NoBody wrote:
    On Sat, 23 Aug 2025 22:24:58 -0500, AlleyCat <katt@gmail.com> wrote:


    On Sat, 23 Aug 2025 08:36:42 -0700, Alan says...

    I don't support it but no one should be shocked when the goose meets >>>>>> gander.

    I'm not shocked by your hypocrisy.

    No hypocrisy. Bolton's been trying to screw Trump every time he can.

    You're defending it this time.

    You misunderstand, as usual. Yes, we railed against lawfare, going so far to say it was wrong, but that was to get the Democrats to
    stop it. They didn't, so we're perfectly happy to do it to them.

    Alan is the hypocrite here as I never saw him speak against the
    endless lawfare that was used against Trump.


    There was no "lawfare" used against Trump.

    Laugher!

    No more needs to be said.

    Yep.
    Looks like Alan has a stage 5 case of TDS.
    It seems to be spreading throughout the liberal leftists.

    --
    pothead

    "Our lives are fashioned by our choices. First we make our choices.
    Then our choices make us."
    -- Anne Frank

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  • From NoBody@21:1/5 to NoBody on Tue Aug 26 06:56:19 2025
    XPost: alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, can.politics, alt.politics.liberalism
    XPost: alt.politics.democrats, alt.politics.usa.republican

    On Mon, 25 Aug 2025 06:53:13 -0400, NoBody <NoBody@nowhere.com> wrote:

    On Sun, 24 Aug 2025 12:08:42 -0700, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:

    On 2025-08-24 06:51, NoBody wrote:
    On Sat, 23 Aug 2025 08:36:42 -0700, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:

    On 2025-08-23 06:10, NoBody wrote:
    On Fri, 22 Aug 2025 16:31:46 -0500, AlleyCat <katt@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>

    On Fri, 22 Aug 2025 07:00:52 -0500, super70s says...

    My isn't that ironic.

    Not at all.

    Why should Democrats get away with the shit they do out of spite for Trump. Trump needs to KICK them back.

    If it weren't for doublestandards libs would have no standards at all. >>>>>

    Every prosecution against Trump was done with malice, and not the law. >>>>>>
    Democrats have only themselves to blame for Trump's historic landslide. The party's establishment stuck by the clearly incapable
    incumbent president for too long, burning credibility with the American people, and then foisted upon us an equally unqualified and
    unpalatable hard left alternative. The simplistic "It's Hitler or us" shtick didn't work. At all. AND THE DEMOCRATS' OBSESSION
    WITH EXACTING REVENGE ON DONALD TRUMP following his 2020 loss THROUGH THE CRIMINAL JUSTICE SYSTEM was a key ingredient to his
    political resurrection.

    Americans won't stand for political lawfare.

    I don't support it but no one should be shocked when the goose meets >>>>> gander.

    I'm not shocked by your hypocrisy.

    You're defending it this time.


    You can't read. I didn't defend it. I pointed out reality.

    Bolton is undergoing this for one reason, and one reason only: he was
    critical of Trump.


    Laughter!

    That will depend upon the outcome of the raid. If he had classified
    documents that blows your theory right up.


    Nope.

    Yep.


    Intent still matters.


    Not really.


    Bolton spent decades in the federal government, and there is difference >>between deliberately taking classified documents (as Trump most
    definitely did), and inadvertently having some in your possession.

    Ooops I accidentally took confidential documents home?

    Are you serious?

    And Alan runs away.

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  • From Alan@21:1/5 to AlleyCat on Tue Aug 26 18:54:47 2025
    XPost: alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, can.politics, alt.politics.liberalism
    XPost: alt.politics.democrats, alt.politics.usa.republican

    On 2025-08-25 21:51, AlleyCat wrote:

    On Sun, 24 Aug 2025 14:57:28 -0700, Alan says...

    Alan is the hypocrite here as I never saw him speak against the
    endless lawfare that was used against Trump.


    There was no "lawfare" used against Trump.

    So, why are they thinking of prosecuting Letitia James for the same
    thing they did Trump, and the Democrats are CALLING it LAWFARE?

    You mean why is the DoJ, controlled by Trump, thinking of prosecuting
    Letitia James, don't you?


    Your OPINION means shit.

    You know damn well, Mar-a-Lago is worth a helluva lot more than what
    the crooked prosecutor and judge said.

    (EIGHTEEN million!!!???)

    THAT'S lawfare.

    No. That's the fact that there are covenants on the property to prevent
    higher valuations from being realized.


    https://youtu.be/Mp-dMDn9Afw

    Forbes: Worth $300-$700 million

    If you whine about it being on "Joe Rogan"... prove him OR his
    guests wrong... orrr...
    You'll still run away?

    "The reality of Mar-a-Lago's value is not straightforward. The historic
    Palm Beach property has deed restrictions which mean it can only be used
    as a private club.

    The land cannot be subdivided, and it requires considerable preservation expenses for the estate, which was built in 1927 for businesswoman and socialite Marjorie Merriweather Post.

    This deed came about in the 1990s when Mr Trump said Mar-a-Lago was too expensive to be preserved as a private residence, calling it a "white
    elephant" that was "almost impossible to sell".

    Changing it to a private club meant he could use hefty membership fees
    to help pay for preservation and upkeep."

    And:

    "After a New York judge ruled on Tuesday that Donald Trump and his
    company had for years used fraudulent methods to value his properties,
    Trump zeroed in on the ruling's section about his home: Mar-a-Lago.

    "This highly partisan Democrat 'Judge' (All the Clubs, etc.) just ruled
    that Mar-a-Lago was WORTH just 18 Million Dollars when, in fact, it may
    be worth 100 times that amount," Trump wrote. In fact, the judge had
    cited Palm Beach County Property Appraiser valuations putting the
    property at between $18 million and $28 million, depending on the year,
    from 2011 to 2021.

    Trump might think Mar-a-Lago is worth $1.8 billion, but in 2020, his own company said the Palm Beach appraiser was right. That year, the county
    valued Mar-a-Lago at $27 million.

    "The Petitioner agrees with the determination of the property appraiser
    or tax collector," a real estate broker representing Mar-a-Lago
    acknowledged on a form filed with the local Value Adjustment Board, and obtained by CBS News."

    I can produce more if you'd like to run away a bit longer.

    :-)

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  • From Alan@21:1/5 to NoBody on Tue Aug 26 18:56:25 2025
    XPost: alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, can.politics, alt.politics.democrats
    XPost: alt.politics.usa.republican

    On 2025-08-25 06:59, NoBody wrote:
    On Sun, 24 Aug 2025 18:26:12 -0700, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:

    On 2025-08-24 16:34, pothead wrote:
    On 2025-08-24, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
    On 2025-08-24 15:00, pothead wrote:
    On 2025-08-24, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
    On 2025-08-24 14:07, chine.bleu wrote:
    Trump Is A Rapist wrote:
    Exactly right. Neither Biden nor Pence hauled off hundreds of boxes of >>>>>>>> documents *after* they were out of office. Trump did.


    We do not know he did. To prove a crime it has to be beyond reasonable >>>>>>> doubt. There is doubt how they came into his possession. Where there is >>>>>>> no doubt is the FBI found documents that had been subpoenaed.
    We do know that Trump took documents with him when he left the White House.

    That is not conjecture: that is FACT.

    We know that some of those documents were classified.

    That is not conjecture: that is FACT.

    And the fact is that as POTUS he has the right to declassify said documents unlike
    Biden who unlawfully removed documents from the SCIF or Bolton who obtained
    the documents from who knows where and who may have shared them with who knows who.

    But he DIDN'T declassify them.

    That is also a fact.

    Possibly but either way, Trump is on far more solid ground that Biden or Bolton are.

    Absolutely not.


    Stomps feet.

    Laughter!


    "Unlawfully" implies "knowingly". It isn't "unlawful" to shoot someone >>>> in the head if you had know way of knowing that's what was about to happen.

    Huh?

    That confounds you, does it?

    Explain your thoughts.

    Sure. If you're at a shooting range, and you fire your weapon downrange,
    and someone is walking where they should not be, and you kill them as a result...

    ...is that murder?


    This should be amusing.



    I say, let's see what happens.

    And when it doesn't come out your way, you'll claim it's the deep state. >>>
    You and your compadres have been claiming the deep state is a conspiracy theory
    and now the truth is coming out that it is indeed real.
    Same with the Hunter laptop.

    Where nothing of substance was ever shown.

    Same with the Russian collusion hoax promoted by Hillary.

    Trump's campaign DID collude with Russia.


    Laughter!

    There is no doubt about this.

    But has PusseyCat says:

    Prove me wrong.

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  • From NoBody@21:1/5 to Alan on Wed Aug 27 07:05:13 2025
    XPost: alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, can.politics, alt.politics.liberalism
    XPost: alt.politics.democrats, alt.politics.usa.republican

    On Tue, 26 Aug 2025 18:54:47 -0400, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:

    On 2025-08-25 21:51, AlleyCat wrote:

    On Sun, 24 Aug 2025 14:57:28 -0700, Alan says...

    Alan is the hypocrite here as I never saw him speak against the
    endless lawfare that was used against Trump.


    There was no "lawfare" used against Trump.

    So, why are they thinking of prosecuting Letitia James for the same
    thing they did Trump, and the Democrats are CALLING it LAWFARE?

    You mean why is the DoJ, controlled by Trump, thinking of prosecuting
    Letitia James, don't you?

    That prescident has already been set and it wasn't Trump who did it.
    Why are you only concerned now?



    Your OPINION means shit.

    You know damn well, Mar-a-Lago is worth a helluva lot more than what
    the crooked prosecutor and judge said.

    (EIGHTEEN million!!!???)

    THAT'S lawfare.

    No. That's the fact that there are covenants on the property to prevent >higher valuations from being realized.

    Citation?



    https://youtu.be/Mp-dMDn9Afw

    Forbes: Worth $300-$700 million

    If you whine about it being on "Joe Rogan"... prove him OR his
    guests wrong... orrr...
    You'll still run away?

    "The reality of Mar-a-Lago's value is not straightforward. The historic
    Palm Beach property has deed restrictions which mean it can only be used
    as a private club.

    Perhaps you can provide an independent analysis of what it is worth?
    It's a huge piece of land.

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  • From NoBody@21:1/5 to Alan on Wed Aug 27 07:09:50 2025
    XPost: alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, can.politics, alt.politics.democrats
    XPost: alt.politics.usa.republican

    On Tue, 26 Aug 2025 18:56:25 -0400, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:

    On 2025-08-25 06:59, NoBody wrote:
    On Sun, 24 Aug 2025 18:26:12 -0700, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:

    On 2025-08-24 16:34, pothead wrote:
    On 2025-08-24, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
    On 2025-08-24 15:00, pothead wrote:
    On 2025-08-24, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
    On 2025-08-24 14:07, chine.bleu wrote:
    Trump Is A Rapist wrote:
    Exactly right. Neither Biden nor Pence hauled off hundreds of boxes of
    documents *after* they were out of office. Trump did.


    We do not know he did. To prove a crime it has to be beyond reasonable >>>>>>>> doubt. There is doubt how they came into his possession. Where there is
    no doubt is the FBI found documents that had been subpoenaed.
    We do know that Trump took documents with him when he left the White House.

    That is not conjecture: that is FACT.

    We know that some of those documents were classified.

    That is not conjecture: that is FACT.

    And the fact is that as POTUS he has the right to declassify said documents unlike
    Biden who unlawfully removed documents from the SCIF or Bolton who obtained
    the documents from who knows where and who may have shared them with who knows who.

    But he DIDN'T declassify them.

    That is also a fact.

    Possibly but either way, Trump is on far more solid ground that Biden or Bolton are.

    Absolutely not.


    Stomps feet.

    Laughter!


    "Unlawfully" implies "knowingly". It isn't "unlawful" to shoot someone >>>>> in the head if you had know way of knowing that's what was about to happen.

    Huh?

    That confounds you, does it?

    Explain your thoughts.

    Sure. If you're at a shooting range, and you fire your weapon downrange,
    and someone is walking where they should not be, and you kill them as a >result...

    ...is that murder?


    In the legal sense, no. At most it would be negligent homicide. You comparison is still falling very flat.


    This should be amusing.



    I say, let's see what happens.

    And when it doesn't come out your way, you'll claim it's the deep state. >>>>
    You and your compadres have been claiming the deep state is a conspiracy theory
    and now the truth is coming out that it is indeed real.
    Same with the Hunter laptop.

    Where nothing of substance was ever shown.

    Same with the Russian collusion hoax promoted by Hillary.

    Trump's campaign DID collude with Russia.


    Laughter!

    There is no doubt about this.

    Laughter!

    This is why I can't take you seriously.

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  • From Alan@21:1/5 to NoBody on Wed Aug 27 11:48:04 2025
    XPost: alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, can.politics, alt.politics.liberalism
    XPost: alt.politics.democrats, alt.politics.usa.republican

    On 2025-08-27 07:05, NoBody wrote:
    On Tue, 26 Aug 2025 18:54:47 -0400, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:

    On 2025-08-25 21:51, AlleyCat wrote:

    On Sun, 24 Aug 2025 14:57:28 -0700, Alan says...

    Alan is the hypocrite here as I never saw him speak against the
    endless lawfare that was used against Trump.


    There was no "lawfare" used against Trump.

    So, why are they thinking of prosecuting Letitia James for the same
    thing they did Trump, and the Democrats are CALLING it LAWFARE?

    You mean why is the DoJ, controlled by Trump, thinking of prosecuting
    Letitia James, don't you?

    That prescident has already been set and it wasn't Trump who did it.
    Why are you only concerned now?

    That would be "precedent", and don't pretend that that can be a fumble
    finger.

    The precedent that was set was the actually unlawful acts would be




    Your OPINION means shit.

    You know damn well, Mar-a-Lago is worth a helluva lot more than what
    the crooked prosecutor and judge said.

    (EIGHTEEN million!!!???)

    THAT'S lawfare.

    No. That's the fact that there are covenants on the property to prevent
    higher valuations from being realized.

    Citation?

    'WHEREAS the club and Trump intend to forever extinguish their right to
    develop or use the Property for any purposy~ther than club use;

    WHEREAS, the Preservation f~~ent limits changes to the Property
    including, without limitation, the division or subdivision of the
    Property for any purpose, including use as single family homes, the
    interior renovation of the mansion, which may be necessary and desirable
    for the sale of the Property as a single family residential estate, the construction of new buildings and the obstruction of open vistas; '

    <https://ag.ny.gov/sites/default/files/2023-10/px-01013-2002-deed-of-development-rights-mar-a-lago.pdf>

    How's that?





    https://youtu.be/Mp-dMDn9Afw

    Forbes: Worth $300-$700 million

    If you whine about it being on "Joe Rogan"... prove him OR his
    guests wrong... orrr...
    You'll still run away?

    "The reality of Mar-a-Lago's value is not straightforward. The historic
    Palm Beach property has deed restrictions which mean it can only be used
    as a private club.

    Perhaps you can provide an independent analysis of what it is worth?
    It's a huge piece of land.
    Which can only be used as a private club and which cannot be sub-divided.

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