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On 8/31/25 6:29 PM, Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote:

On Sun, 31 Aug 2025 08:49:40 -0400 (EDT), Bradley K. Sherman wrote:

The Constitution doesn't give the president explicit
authority over election law.

*No* politician should have any say over how boundaries are drawn and elections are run. In all the good democracies, the ones running for
election are not the ones running the election.

No ONE politician.

However it IS the job of the state pols to district.
They're supposed to do it fairly, proportionally, but
as I recall 'Gerrymandering' is a term going back to
the latter 1700s.

Now FEDERAL officials, almost NO say over how states
district. Not sure what happens if a state goes to
hell so badly that it becomes totally dysfunctional
and thus a drag/threat to the entire union. So far
we've never seen that, though a few may claim that
California skirts the edge of chaos sometimes.

Alas it'd be almost impossible to write down, codify,
EVERY possible variation on the theme. It got sketched
out a bit and then, well, we have to use 'judgment'
for the odd permutations. No WAY to make everybody
happy there.

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c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> wrote in news:mx6cnTSzGrWjfyn1nZ2dnZfqn_ednZ2d@giganews.com:

On 8/31/25 6:29 PM, Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote:

On Sun, 31 Aug 2025 08:49:40 -0400 (EDT), Bradley K. Sherman wrote:

The Constitution doesn't give the president explicit
authority over election law.

*No* politician should have any say over how boundaries are drawn and
elections are run. In all the good democracies, the ones running for
election are not the ones running the election.

No ONE politician.

However it IS the job of the state pols to district.

Every ten years.

To reflect the census taken in
years ending in 0.

Why the sudden rush to redistrict
now? Was there a 2024 census we weren't
told about?

They're supposed to do it fairly, proportionally, but
as I recall 'Gerrymandering' is a term going back to
the latter 1700s.

Now FEDERAL officials, almost NO say over how states
district. Not sure what happens if a state goes to
hell so badly that it becomes totally dysfunctional
and thus a drag/threat to the entire union. So far
we've never seen that, though a few may claim that
California skirts the edge of chaos sometimes.

Alas it'd be almost impossible to write down, codify,
EVERY possible variation on the theme. It got sketched
out a bit and then, well, we have to use 'judgment'
for the odd permutations. No WAY to make everybody
happy there.

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On Mon, 01 Sep 2025 02:09:58 +0000, Mitchell Holman wrote:

c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> wrote in news:mx6cnTSzGrWjfyn1nZ2dnZfqn_ednZ2d@giganews.com:

On 8/31/25 6:29 PM, Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote:

On Sun, 31 Aug 2025 08:49:40 -0400 (EDT), Bradley K. Sherman wrote:

The Constitution doesn't give the president explicit authority over
election law.

*No* politician should have any say over how boundaries are drawn and
elections are run. In all the good democracies, the ones running for
election are not the ones running the election.

No ONE politician.

However it IS the job of the state pols to district.

Every ten years.

That should be the job of an independent Electoral Commission, which is
not beholden to any political group(s).

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On 8/31/25 10:38 PM, Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote:

On Mon, 01 Sep 2025 02:09:58 +0000, Mitchell Holman wrote:

c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> wrote in
news:mx6cnTSzGrWjfyn1nZ2dnZfqn_ednZ2d@giganews.com:

On 8/31/25 6:29 PM, Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote:

On Sun, 31 Aug 2025 08:49:40 -0400 (EDT), Bradley K. Sherman wrote:

The Constitution doesn't give the president explicit authority over
election law.

*No* politician should have any say over how boundaries are drawn and
elections are run. In all the good democracies, the ones running for
election are not the ones running the election.

No ONE politician.

However it IS the job of the state pols to district.

Every ten years.

That should be the job of an independent Electoral Commission, which is
not beholden to any political group(s).

No Such Thing.

It'd instantly be an 'independent' far left or far
right group, rubber-stamps and miles of BS.

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On 9/2/25 7:13 PM, Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote:

On Tue, 2 Sep 2025 14:23:59 -0700, Matt Singer wrote:

The answer is not just to throw up our hands and say, "Well, they
all do it."

“In an ever-changing, incomprehensible world the masses had reached
the point where they would, at the same time, believe everything and
nothing, think that everything was possible and that nothing was true.
... Mass propaganda discovered that its audience was ready at all
times to believe the worst, no matter how absurd, and did not
particularly object to being deceived because it held every statement
to be a lie anyhow. The totalitarian mass leaders based their
propaganda on the correct psychological assumption that, under such conditions, one could make people believe the most fantastic
statements one day, and trust that if the next day they were given irrefutable proof of their falsehood, they would take refuge in
cynicism; instead of deserting the leaders who had lied to them, they
would protest that they had known all along that the statement was a
lie and would admire the leaders for their superior tactical
cleverness.”
― Hannah Arendt, The Origins of Totalitarianism

Largely true.

And while there are always those smart enough to see
what is happening, they are first ignored, then shouted
down, then persecuted, then disappeared.

Nothing new under the sun.

Alas, by the context, I'm assuming you think Trump is
the 'totalitarian' of the hour.

He IS pushy, but I just can't read actual evil in his
personality. He is not disappearing his opponents,
does not have an 'SS' or Stasi, is not pushing
'fantastic' conspiracy theories or a new religion.
Just wants to get the ultra-lefty mess back under
some kind of sane control.

The lefties do not WANT "sane control", their mission
has always been to chip the foundations out from under
western civ so our "betters" can run the world. This
goes back to Lenin, a little further actually. It
is The Plan.

Trump says "No !".

I do wish there was a more polished messenger, but
this is a new age and the old statesmen are gone -
do not play well on TV/Net.

I hope Trump cuts the legs out from under WokieCom,
so it can never stand again. Where we go from THERE,
well, our choice. Not sure there IS a "sane center"
right now. Again, that doesn't play well on TV -
TV wants FLAMES, sells. Ten times worse than Hearst's
tabloids of the late 1800s.

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