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  • Re: Looks like this NG has been killed

    From wolfgang kern@21:1/5 to wolfgang kern on Tue Oct 31 07:04:44 2023
    On 26/10/2023 16:00, wolfgang kern wrote:
    On 04/10/2023 03:06, MitchAlsup wrote:
    It appears that this N.G. has been killed

    Anything we can do ??

    My filter is now set to delete all >8KB and it seems to do what we want. sorry BGB, some of your posts may be filtered as well :)

    seems they read my lines and now post shorter junk,
    what does GG and ES stand for ?
    __
    wolfgang

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  • From Anton Ertl@21:1/5 to wolfgang kern on Tue Oct 31 09:18:56 2023
    wolfgang kern <nowhere@never.at> writes:
    what does GG and ES stand for ?

    Google Groups and Eternal September.

    - anton
    --
    'Anyone trying for "industrial quality" ISA should avoid undefined behavior.'
    Mitch Alsup, <c17fcd89-f024-40e7-a594-88a85ac10d20o@googlegroups.com>

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  • From wolfgang kern@21:1/5 to Anton Ertl on Tue Oct 31 12:31:55 2023
    On 31/10/2023 10:18, Anton Ertl wrote:
    wolfgang kern <nowhere@never.at> writes:
    what does GG and ES stand for ?

    Google Groups and Eternal September.

    thx, I should have guessed it.
    __
    wolfgang

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  • From Michael S@21:1/5 to Opus on Tue Oct 31 22:36:08 2023
    On Tue, 31 Oct 2023 21:18:56 +0100
    Opus <ifonly@youknew.org> wrote:

    On 31/10/2023 07:04, wolfgang kern wrote:
    On 26/10/2023 16:00, wolfgang kern wrote:
    On 04/10/2023 03:06, MitchAlsup wrote:
    It appears that this N.G. has been killed

    Anything we can do ??

    My filter is now set to delete all >8KB and it seems to do what we
    want. sorry BGB, some of your posts may be filtered as well :)

    seems they read my lines and now post shorter junk,
    what does GG and ES stand for ?

    I'm using ES and while it had managed to filter out most of the spam,
    it seems to be back with a vengeance today, unfiltered.


    E-S got through ~80 spam messagges in 24 hours.
    On Google Groups you can see 80 spam messages in 1.5 hours.
    So E-S filter is not perfect, but it gets rid of 95% of the spam.

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  • From Opus@21:1/5 to wolfgang kern on Tue Oct 31 21:18:56 2023
    On 31/10/2023 07:04, wolfgang kern wrote:
    On 26/10/2023 16:00, wolfgang kern wrote:
    On 04/10/2023 03:06, MitchAlsup wrote:
    It appears that this N.G. has been killed

    Anything we can do ??

    My filter is now set to delete all >8KB and it seems to do what we want.
    sorry BGB, some of your posts may be filtered as well :)

    seems they read my lines and now post shorter junk,
    what does GG and ES stand for ?

    I'm using ES and while it had managed to filter out most of the spam, it
    seems to be back with a vengeance today, unfiltered.

    It looks obvious now that the spam is not just targeting random places,
    but specific ones and they're monitoring things closely to adjust to
    whatever filters are put in place. That's as annoying as it is creepy
    and concerning. What the f*ck is up and who are they?

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  • From Chris M. Thomasson@21:1/5 to Michael S on Tue Oct 31 15:01:59 2023
    On 10/31/2023 2:53 PM, Michael S wrote:
    On Tue, 3 Oct 2023 18:06:21 -0700 (PDT)
    MitchAlsup <MitchAlsup@aol.com> wrote:

    It appears that this N.G. has been killed

    Anything we can do ??

    Few minutes ago Google Groups disabled posting in comp.arch.
    So, no more Thai spam, but no more Mitch as well.
    Unless Mitch stops being stubborn.



    Mitch who?

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  • From EricP@21:1/5 to Opus on Tue Oct 31 17:24:43 2023
    Opus wrote:
    On 31/10/2023 07:04, wolfgang kern wrote:
    On 26/10/2023 16:00, wolfgang kern wrote:
    On 04/10/2023 03:06, MitchAlsup wrote:
    It appears that this N.G. has been killed

    Anything we can do ??

    My filter is now set to delete all >8KB and it seems to do what we want. >>> sorry BGB, some of your posts may be filtered as well :)

    seems they read my lines and now post shorter junk,
    what does GG and ES stand for ?

    I'm using ES and while it had managed to filter out most of the spam, it seems to be back with a vengeance today, unfiltered.

    It looks obvious now that the spam is not just targeting random places,
    but specific ones and they're monitoring things closely to adjust to
    whatever filters are put in place. That's as annoying as it is creepy
    and concerning. What the f*ck is up and who are they?

    That's why I concluded its not a spammer, it's a DOS attack.
    They hit c.l.c and c.l.fortran but not c.l.ada.
    And spammers do not adapt to countermeasures.

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  • From Chris M. Thomasson@21:1/5 to Chris M. Thomasson on Tue Oct 31 15:02:51 2023
    On 10/31/2023 3:01 PM, Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
    On 10/31/2023 2:53 PM, Michael S wrote:
    On Tue, 3 Oct 2023 18:06:21 -0700 (PDT)
    MitchAlsup <MitchAlsup@aol.com> wrote:

    It appears that this N.G. has been killed

    Anything we can do ??

    Few minutes ago Google Groups disabled posting in comp.arch.
    So, no more Thai spam, but no more Mitch as well.
    Unless Mitch stops being stubborn.



    Mitch who?

    Afaict, MitchAlsup is using eternal-september.org.

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  • From Michael S@21:1/5 to Chris M. Thomasson on Wed Nov 1 00:12:05 2023
    On Tue, 31 Oct 2023 15:02:51 -0700
    "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> wrote:

    On 10/31/2023 3:01 PM, Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
    On 10/31/2023 2:53 PM, Michael S wrote:
    On Tue, 3 Oct 2023 18:06:21 -0700 (PDT)
    MitchAlsup <MitchAlsup@aol.com> wrote:

    It appears that this N.G. has been killed

    Anything we can do ??

    Few minutes ago Google Groups disabled posting in comp.arch.
    So, no more Thai spam, but no more Mitch as well.
    Unless Mitch stops being stubborn.



    Mitch who?

    Afaict, MitchAlsup is using eternal-september.org.

    No, he isn't. At least so far.

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  • From Stefan Monnier@21:1/5 to All on Tue Oct 31 17:44:56 2023
    And spammers do not adapt to countermeasures.

    What makes you think so?
    The arms race in spam -vs- anti-spam in the world of email strongly
    suggests otherwise.


    Stefan

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  • From Michael S@21:1/5 to MitchAlsup on Tue Oct 31 23:53:55 2023
    On Tue, 3 Oct 2023 18:06:21 -0700 (PDT)
    MitchAlsup <MitchAlsup@aol.com> wrote:

    It appears that this N.G. has been killed

    Anything we can do ??

    Few minutes ago Google Groups disabled posting in comp.arch.
    So, no more Thai spam, but no more Mitch as well.
    Unless Mitch stops being stubborn.

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  • From George Neuner@21:1/5 to Opus on Tue Oct 31 22:08:35 2023
    On Tue, 31 Oct 2023 21:18:56 +0100, Opus <ifonly@youknew.org> wrote:

    On 31/10/2023 07:04, wolfgang kern wrote:
    On 26/10/2023 16:00, wolfgang kern wrote:
    On 04/10/2023 03:06, MitchAlsup wrote:
    It appears that this N.G. has been killed

    Anything we can do ??

    My filter is now set to delete all >8KB and it seems to do what we want. >>> sorry BGB, some of your posts may be filtered as well :)

    seems they read my lines and now post shorter junk,
    what does GG and ES stand for ?

    I'm using ES and while it had managed to filter out most of the spam, it >seems to be back with a vengeance today, unfiltered.

    It looks obvious now that the spam is not just targeting random places,
    but specific ones and they're monitoring things closely to adjust to
    whatever filters are put in place. That's as annoying as it is creepy
    and concerning. What the f*ck is up and who are they?

    My own suspicion is that it is a coordinated DOS attack by one or more
    of Russia, China, Iran, N Korea, <insert bad actor here>, ...

    YMMV.

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  • From Opus@21:1/5 to George Neuner on Wed Nov 1 09:02:34 2023
    On 01/11/2023 03:08, George Neuner wrote:
    My own suspicion is that it is a coordinated DOS attack by one or more
    of Russia, China, Iran, N Korea, <insert bad actor here>, ...

    Do you really think that "political" attacks would target Usenet?
    While it is annoying to us users, probably almost no one in our
    respective governments even knows about Usenet or cares, as to us users,
    we're probably less than 0.1% of the population. So I have a hard time believing any of this could be political.

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  • From David Brown@21:1/5 to George Neuner on Wed Nov 1 11:18:00 2023
    On 01/11/2023 03:08, George Neuner wrote:
    On Tue, 31 Oct 2023 21:18:56 +0100, Opus <ifonly@youknew.org> wrote:

    On 31/10/2023 07:04, wolfgang kern wrote:
    On 26/10/2023 16:00, wolfgang kern wrote:
    On 04/10/2023 03:06, MitchAlsup wrote:
    It appears that this N.G. has been killed

    Anything we can do ??

    My filter is now set to delete all >8KB and it seems to do what we want. >>>> sorry BGB, some of your posts may be filtered as well :)

    seems they read my lines and now post shorter junk,
    what does GG and ES stand for ?

    I'm using ES and while it had managed to filter out most of the spam, it
    seems to be back with a vengeance today, unfiltered.

    It looks obvious now that the spam is not just targeting random places,
    but specific ones and they're monitoring things closely to adjust to
    whatever filters are put in place. That's as annoying as it is creepy
    and concerning. What the f*ck is up and who are they?

    My own suspicion is that it is a coordinated DOS attack by one or more
    of Russia, China, Iran, N Korea, <insert bad actor here>, ...


    A DOS attack on technical Usenet groups is utterly pointless. So it is
    not a realistic explanation.

    The spam posts are all adverts with links to websites for betting,
    drugs, and other illegal or at least questionable but high profit
    activities. They are advertising.

    Of course, they are also useless as advertising, since they are all
    being sent repeatedly to the same people, who are certainly not their
    usual target audience.

    So the explanation I see, is that someone - an advertising firm or
    broker used by these sites - has been paying an individual or external
    company with a contract "we will you pay x dollars if you send y
    messages that will reach z readers". And that person has reckoned that
    there are hundreds of people reading these groups, so if they send
    thousands of messages a day to these groups, that counts as millions of
    hits - and that is worth a few bob for very little effort. Unless they
    are complete morons they will realise that this is all useless to the
    original customer (the betting sites), but if they get paid, why should
    they care?

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  • From Scott Lurndal@21:1/5 to George Neuner on Wed Nov 1 13:49:48 2023
    George Neuner <gneuner2@comcast.net> writes:
    On Tue, 31 Oct 2023 21:18:56 +0100, Opus <ifonly@youknew.org> wrote:

    On 31/10/2023 07:04, wolfgang kern wrote:
    On 26/10/2023 16:00, wolfgang kern wrote:
    On 04/10/2023 03:06, MitchAlsup wrote:
    It appears that this N.G. has been killed

    Anything we can do ??

    My filter is now set to delete all >8KB and it seems to do what we want. >>>> sorry BGB, some of your posts may be filtered as well :)

    seems they read my lines and now post shorter junk,
    what does GG and ES stand for ?

    I'm using ES and while it had managed to filter out most of the spam, it >>seems to be back with a vengeance today, unfiltered.

    It looks obvious now that the spam is not just targeting random places,
    but specific ones and they're monitoring things closely to adjust to >>whatever filters are put in place. That's as annoying as it is creepy
    and concerning. What the f*ck is up and who are they?

    My own suspicion is that it is a coordinated DOS attack by one or more
    of Russia, China, Iran, N Korea, <insert bad actor here>, ...

    Why on earth would someone [D]DOS a few technical newsgroups on a basically obsolete forum with readership in the low 100s?

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  • From George Neuner@21:1/5 to All on Wed Nov 1 11:11:58 2023
    On Wed, 01 Nov 2023 13:49:48 GMT, scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal)
    wrote:

    George Neuner <gneuner2@comcast.net> writes:
    On Tue, 31 Oct 2023 21:18:56 +0100, Opus <ifonly@youknew.org> wrote:

    My own suspicion is that it is a coordinated DOS attack by one or more
    of Russia, China, Iran, N Korea, <insert bad actor here>, ...

    Why on earth would someone [D]DOS a few technical newsgroups on a basically >obsolete forum with readership in the low 100s?

    Because they ARE technical newsgroups. Do you seriously think they
    are not monitored in hopes of learning something new (to them) and
    possibly valuable?

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  • From George Neuner@21:1/5 to All on Wed Nov 1 11:13:51 2023
    Y'all are not suspicious enough.

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  • From Chris M. Thomasson@21:1/5 to Michael S on Wed Nov 1 12:33:28 2023
    On 10/31/2023 3:12 PM, Michael S wrote:
    On Tue, 31 Oct 2023 15:02:51 -0700
    "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> wrote:

    On 10/31/2023 3:01 PM, Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
    On 10/31/2023 2:53 PM, Michael S wrote:
    On Tue, 3 Oct 2023 18:06:21 -0700 (PDT)
    MitchAlsup <MitchAlsup@aol.com> wrote:

    It appears that this N.G. has been killed

    Anything we can do ??

    Few minutes ago Google Groups disabled posting in comp.arch.
    So, no more Thai spam, but no more Mitch as well.
    Unless Mitch stops being stubborn.



    Mitch who?

    Afaict, MitchAlsup is using eternal-september.org.

    No, he isn't. At least so far.


    Really?

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  • From wolfgang kern@21:1/5 to MitchAlsup on Thu Nov 2 05:33:34 2023
    On 04/10/2023 03:06, MitchAlsup wrote:
    It appears that this N.G. has been killed

    Anything we can do ??

    my latest attempt to get rid of this exotic spam:
    copy paste a single letter of the glyph to the filter.
    I used now only six of them and don't see any atm.
    __
    wolfgang

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  • From Branimir Maksimovic@21:1/5 to Michael S on Thu Nov 2 11:43:13 2023
    On 2023-10-31, Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> wrote:
    On Tue, 3 Oct 2023 18:06:21 -0700 (PDT)
    MitchAlsup <MitchAlsup@aol.com> wrote:

    It appears that this N.G. has been killed

    Anything we can do ??

    Few minutes ago Google Groups disabled posting in comp.arch.
    So, no more Thai spam, but no more Mitch as well.
    Unless Mitch stops being stubborn.


    Disabled google groups filtering now, spam is now 0% :P

    --

    7-77-777, Evil Sinner! https://www.linkedin.com/in/branimir-maksimovic-6762bbaa/

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  • From Chris M. Thomasson@21:1/5 to Branimir Maksimovic on Thu Nov 2 10:59:20 2023
    On 11/2/2023 4:43 AM, Branimir Maksimovic wrote:
    On 2023-10-31, Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> wrote:
    On Tue, 3 Oct 2023 18:06:21 -0700 (PDT)
    MitchAlsup <MitchAlsup@aol.com> wrote:

    It appears that this N.G. has been killed

    Anything we can do ??

    Few minutes ago Google Groups disabled posting in comp.arch.
    So, no more Thai spam, but no more Mitch as well.
    Unless Mitch stops being stubborn.


    Disabled google groups filtering now, spam is now 0% :P


    So far so good!

    Comic Relief: Unless the AI spambot says, this ban is just our new:

    https://youtu.be/i_6zPIWQaUI

    Tick tock...

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