• apparently comp.arch, comp.lang.c++, and com.lang.fortran are now read

    From Lynn McGuire@21:1/5 to All on Tue Oct 31 17:32:11 2023
    XPost: comp.lang.c++, comp.lang.fortran

    Apparently comp.arch, comp.lang.c++, and comp.lang.fortran are now read
    only at google groups to stop the spam floods.

    Lynn

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  • From Opus@21:1/5 to Lynn McGuire on Wed Nov 1 01:21:08 2023
    On 31/10/2023 23:32, Lynn McGuire wrote:
    Apparently comp.arch, comp.lang.c++, and comp.lang.fortran are now read
    only at google groups to stop the spam floods.

    Testing here, but I'm using ES not google and am currently unable to
    post as well.

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  • From George Neuner@21:1/5 to lynnmcguire5@gmail.com on Tue Oct 31 22:31:18 2023
    XPost: comp.lang.c++, comp.lang.fortran

    On Tue, 31 Oct 2023 17:32:11 -0500, Lynn McGuire
    <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> wrote:

    Apparently comp.arch, comp.lang.c++, and comp.lang.fortran are now read
    only at google groups to stop the spam floods.

    Lynn

    You mean the spam floods that Google openly condones and possibly also facilitates in order to promote its own group services?

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  • From The Doctor@21:1/5 to gneuner2@comcast.net on Wed Nov 1 03:15:56 2023
    XPost: comp.lang.c++, comp.lang.fortran

    In article <a1e3kihl2o606a97g3746247qurdl0alfm@4ax.com>,
    George Neuner <gneuner2@comcast.net> wrote:
    On Tue, 31 Oct 2023 17:32:11 -0500, Lynn McGuire
    <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> wrote:

    Apparently comp.arch, comp.lang.c++, and comp.lang.fortran are now read >>only at google groups to stop the spam floods.

    Lynn

    You mean the spam floods that Google openly condones and possibly also >facilitates in order to promote its own group services?

    Apt way of putting it!
    --
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  • From John Levine@21:1/5 to All on Wed Nov 1 10:55:06 2023
    XPost: comp.lang.c++, comp.lang.fortran

    According to George Neuner <gneuner2@comcast.net>:
    Lynn

    You mean the spam floods that Google openly condones and possibly also >facilitates in order to promote its own group services?

    I think you vastly overestimate how much anyone at Google cares about Groups. The whole thing has been on autopilot for years, it can't possibly be making them enough money to deal with the hassle.

    FWIW I get plenty of spam directly from Groups when people yet again load
    up a spam list and blast out mail in languages I cannot read.



    --
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    John Levine, johnl@taugh.com, Primary Perpetrator of "The Internet for Dummies",
    Please consider the environment before reading this e-mail. https://jl.ly

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  • From John Levine@21:1/5 to All on Wed Nov 1 13:03:14 2023
    XPost: comp.lang.c++, comp.lang.fortran

    According to Joe Pfeiffer <pfeiffer@cs.nmsu.edu>:
    Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> writes:

    Apparently comp.arch, comp.lang.c++, and comp.lang.fortran are now
    read only at google groups to stop the spam floods.

    No, I'm reading through Eternal September.

    That's "read only" as in they don't let people post new articles.

    People continue to read those groups all over the place. You
    couldn't stop if if you wanted to.

    --
    Regards,
    John Levine, johnl@taugh.com, Primary Perpetrator of "The Internet for Dummies",
    Please consider the environment before reading this e-mail. https://jl.ly

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  • From George Neuner@21:1/5 to All on Wed Nov 1 09:06:44 2023
    XPost: comp.lang.c++, comp.lang.fortran

    On Wed, 1 Nov 2023 10:55:06 -0000 (UTC), John Levine <johnl@taugh.com>
    wrote:

    According to George Neuner <gneuner2@comcast.net>:
    Lynn

    You mean the spam floods that Google openly condones and possibly also >>facilitates in order to promote its own group services?

    I think you vastly overestimate how much anyone at Google cares about Groups. >The whole thing has been on autopilot for years, it can't possibly be making >them enough money to deal with the hassle.

    Maybe. But remember that Google trades in eyeballs ... the money, in
    some sense, is secondary.


    "group" is overloaded.

    Google Groups (GG) is a unified interface that provides access to
    Usenet, public mailing lists, and to Google's own group services.

    But there is a substantial difference: Google offers spam filtering to
    its own groups, while denying it to others.


    FWIW I get plenty of spam directly from Groups when people yet again load
    up a spam list and blast out mail in languages I cannot read.

    Sure it can happen.

    GG's spam filtering has to be opted into by the group administrator.
    However, there is no way provided for an outside group to do that, so
    even those non-Google Usenet groups and mailing lists that /have/
    living administrators have no way to opt into Google's spam filtering.

    Also, my experience with GG has been that its spam filtering only
    checks posts made via email (the "list" interface). It seems that
    posts made directly via the web UI are checked only for abusive
    language (and then only in English), and once accepted they can be
    removed only by the group adminstrator or via user complaints.


    The major point here is that Google provides (some semblence of) spam
    filtering - but only for its own groups.

    YMMV.

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  • From Joe Pfeiffer@21:1/5 to Lynn McGuire on Wed Nov 1 06:40:05 2023
    XPost: comp.lang.c++, comp.lang.fortran

    Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> writes:

    Apparently comp.arch, comp.lang.c++, and comp.lang.fortran are now
    read only at google groups to stop the spam floods.

    No, I'm reading through Eternal September. Blocking posts with Thai
    characters eliminates nearly all of the flood for me (but geez, it's
    awful that it's necessary).

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  • From John Levine@21:1/5 to gneuner2@comcast.net on Wed Nov 1 13:47:43 2023
    XPost: comp.lang.c++, comp.lang.fortran

    It appears that George Neuner <gneuner2@comcast.net> said:
    The major point here is that Google provides (some semblence of) spam >filtering - but only for its own groups.

    This is completely consistent with it being on autopilot. Someone
    built the spam filter for their own groups, nobody got around to
    making it work with usenet. I can easily imagine them saying there's
    so much garbage in usenet from other places, what difference would
    it make?

    As the old saw reminds us, don't assume malice until you've ruled out incompetence.

    --
    Regards,
    John Levine, johnl@taugh.com, Primary Perpetrator of "The Internet for Dummies",
    Please consider the environment before reading this e-mail. https://jl.ly

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  • From Joe Pfeiffer@21:1/5 to John Levine on Wed Nov 1 12:14:54 2023
    XPost: comp.lang.c++, comp.lang.fortran

    John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> writes:

    According to Joe Pfeiffer <pfeiffer@cs.nmsu.edu>:
    Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> writes:

    Apparently comp.arch, comp.lang.c++, and comp.lang.fortran are now
    read only at google groups to stop the spam floods.

    No, I'm reading through Eternal September.

    That's "read only" as in they don't let people post new articles.

    People continue to read those groups all over the place. You
    couldn't stop if if you wanted to.

    Ummm.... so they allow followups but not new topics?

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  • From Michael S@21:1/5 to Joe Pfeiffer on Wed Nov 1 22:12:08 2023
    XPost: comp.lang.c++, comp.lang.fortran

    On Wed, 01 Nov 2023 12:14:54 -0600
    Joe Pfeiffer <pfeiffer@cs.nmsu.edu> wrote:

    John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> writes:

    According to Joe Pfeiffer <pfeiffer@cs.nmsu.edu>:
    Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> writes:

    Apparently comp.arch, comp.lang.c++, and comp.lang.fortran are now
    read only at google groups to stop the spam floods.

    No, I'm reading through Eternal September.

    That's "read only" as in they don't let people post new articles.

    People continue to read those groups all over the place. You
    couldn't stop if if you wanted to.

    Ummm.... so they allow followups but not new topics?

    Read-only. No posting. Neither newtopics nor followups. None. Nada.

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  • From Joe Pfeiffer@21:1/5 to Michael S on Wed Nov 1 14:19:19 2023
    XPost: comp.lang.c++, comp.lang.fortran

    Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> writes:

    On Wed, 01 Nov 2023 12:14:54 -0600
    Joe Pfeiffer <pfeiffer@cs.nmsu.edu> wrote:

    John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> writes:

    According to Joe Pfeiffer <pfeiffer@cs.nmsu.edu>:
    Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> writes:

    Apparently comp.arch, comp.lang.c++, and comp.lang.fortran are now
    read only at google groups to stop the spam floods.

    No, I'm reading through Eternal September.

    That's "read only" as in they don't let people post new articles.

    People continue to read those groups all over the place. You
    couldn't stop if if you wanted to.

    Ummm.... so they allow followups but not new topics?

    Read-only. No posting. Neither newtopics nor followups. None. Nada.

    But I posted this followup to comp.arch through eternal-september.

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  • From Retro Guy@21:1/5 to Joe Pfeiffer on Wed Nov 1 13:24:41 2023
    XPost: comp.lang.c++, comp.lang.fortran

    On Wed, 01 Nov 2023 14:19:19 -0600
    Joe Pfeiffer <pfeiffer@cs.nmsu.edu> wrote:

    Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> writes:

    On Wed, 01 Nov 2023 12:14:54 -0600
    Joe Pfeiffer <pfeiffer@cs.nmsu.edu> wrote:

    John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> writes:

    According to Joe Pfeiffer <pfeiffer@cs.nmsu.edu>:
    Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> writes:

    Apparently comp.arch, comp.lang.c++, and comp.lang.fortran are now
    read only at google groups to stop the spam floods.

    No, I'm reading through Eternal September.

    That's "read only" as in they don't let people post new articles.

    People continue to read those groups all over the place. You
    couldn't stop if if you wanted to.

    Ummm.... so they allow followups but not new topics?

    Read-only. No posting. Neither newtopics nor followups. None. Nada.

    But I posted this followup to comp.arch through eternal-september.

    You can post from anywhere you want that carries the group, you just
    can't post from google groups

    --
    Retro Guy

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  • From Stephen Fuld@21:1/5 to Joe Pfeiffer on Wed Nov 1 14:31:12 2023
    XPost: comp.lang.c++, comp.lang.fortran

    On 11/1/2023 1:19 PM, Joe Pfeiffer wrote:
    Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> writes:

    On Wed, 01 Nov 2023 12:14:54 -0600
    Joe Pfeiffer <pfeiffer@cs.nmsu.edu> wrote:

    John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> writes:

    According to Joe Pfeiffer <pfeiffer@cs.nmsu.edu>:
    Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> writes:

    Apparently comp.arch, comp.lang.c++, and comp.lang.fortran are now >>>>>> read only at google groups to stop the spam floods.

    No, I'm reading through Eternal September.

    That's "read only" as in they don't let people post new articles.

    People continue to read those groups all over the place. You
    couldn't stop if if you wanted to.

    Ummm.... so they allow followups but not new topics?

    Read-only. No posting. Neither newtopics nor followups. None. Nada.

    But I posted this followup to comp.arch through eternal-september.

    There has been some confusion in this thread recently. Anyone with an
    account can read and post messages using Eternal September. The "read
    only" is apparently just Google Groups. That is, anyone can read any
    article through Google Groups, but no one can post new articles nor
    replies to the group using Google Groups.



    --
    - Stephen Fuld
    (e-mail address disguised to prevent spam)

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  • From Chris M. Thomasson@21:1/5 to Retro Guy on Wed Nov 1 14:26:09 2023
    XPost: comp.lang.c++, comp.lang.fortran

    On 11/1/2023 1:24 PM, Retro Guy wrote:
    On Wed, 01 Nov 2023 14:19:19 -0600
    Joe Pfeiffer <pfeiffer@cs.nmsu.edu> wrote:

    Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> writes:

    On Wed, 01 Nov 2023 12:14:54 -0600
    Joe Pfeiffer <pfeiffer@cs.nmsu.edu> wrote:

    John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> writes:

    According to Joe Pfeiffer <pfeiffer@cs.nmsu.edu>:
    Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> writes:

    Apparently comp.arch, comp.lang.c++, and comp.lang.fortran are now >>>>>>> read only at google groups to stop the spam floods.

    No, I'm reading through Eternal September.

    That's "read only" as in they don't let people post new articles.

    People continue to read those groups all over the place. You
    couldn't stop if if you wanted to.

    Ummm.... so they allow followups but not new topics?

    Read-only. No posting. Neither newtopics nor followups. None. Nada.

    But I posted this followup to comp.arch through eternal-september.

    You can post from anywhere you want that carries the group, you just
    can't post from google groups


    We can still use google groups for some searching purposes. Remember
    when they, Google, tried to outright ban comp.lang.c a while back? Not
    even able to read it...

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  • From Jack@21:1/5 to Stephen Fuld on Wed Nov 1 22:55:52 2023
    XPost: comp.lang.c++, comp.lang.fortran, comp.lang.c

    On 01/11/2023 21:31, Stephen Fuld wrote:

    There has been some confusion in this thread recently.  Anyone with an account can read and post messages using Eternal September.  The "read
    only" is apparently just Google Groups. That is, anyone can read any
    article through Google Groups, but no one can post new articles nor
    replies to the group using Google Groups.




    There is another server called "paganini.bofh.team". You don't need an
    account but spam is not allowed. People abusing the server will have
    their IP address blocked.

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  • From Joe Pfeiffer@21:1/5 to Retro Guy on Wed Nov 1 17:22:01 2023
    XPost: comp.lang.c++, comp.lang.fortran

    Retro Guy <retroguy@novabbs.org> writes:

    On Wed, 01 Nov 2023 14:19:19 -0600
    Joe Pfeiffer <pfeiffer@cs.nmsu.edu> wrote:

    Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> writes:

    On Wed, 01 Nov 2023 12:14:54 -0600
    Joe Pfeiffer <pfeiffer@cs.nmsu.edu> wrote:

    John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> writes:

    According to Joe Pfeiffer <pfeiffer@cs.nmsu.edu>:
    Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> writes:

    Apparently comp.arch, comp.lang.c++, and comp.lang.fortran are now
    read only at google groups to stop the spam floods.

    No, I'm reading through Eternal September.

    That's "read only" as in they don't let people post new articles.

    People continue to read those groups all over the place. You
    couldn't stop if if you wanted to.

    Ummm.... so they allow followups but not new topics?

    Read-only. No posting. Neither newtopics nor followups. None. Nada.

    But I posted this followup to comp.arch through eternal-september.

    You can post from anywhere you want that carries the group, you just
    can't post from google groups

    Ah, OK. When I originally posted that I was reading from e-s, it was
    pointed out to me that I couldn't post. Which seemed very odd, under the circumstances.

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  • From red floyd@21:1/5 to Joe Pfeiffer on Wed Nov 1 22:05:06 2023
    XPost: comp.lang.c++, comp.lang.fortran

    On 11/1/2023 5:40 AM, Joe Pfeiffer wrote:

    No, I'm reading through Eternal September. Blocking posts with Thai characters eliminates nearly all of the flood for me (but geez, it's
    awful that it's necessary).


    Anybody know can you do that blocking with Thunderbird?

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  • From David Brown@21:1/5 to red floyd on Thu Nov 2 09:07:31 2023
    XPost: comp.lang.c++, comp.lang.fortran

    On 02/11/2023 06:05, red floyd wrote:
    On 11/1/2023 5:40 AM, Joe Pfeiffer wrote:

    No, I'm reading through Eternal September. Blocking posts with Thai
    characters eliminates nearly all of the flood for me (but geez, it's
    awful that it's necessary).


    Anybody know can you do that blocking with Thunderbird?


    There is now no need (at least in these groups). All the spam came
    through Google's service, and they have blocked posting.

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  • From The Doctor@21:1/5 to branimir.maksimovic@icloud.com on Thu Nov 2 11:50:54 2023
    In article <sZL0N.149183$tnmf.35941@fx09.iad>,
    Branimir Maksimovic <branimir.maksimovic@icloud.com> wrote:
    ["Followup-To:" header set to comp.arch.]
    On 2023-10-31, Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> wrote:
    Apparently comp.arch, comp.lang.c++, and comp.lang.fortran are now read
    only at google groups to stop the spam floods.

    Lynn
    I notice by number of headers. it dropped significantly...


    I hope Google Groups makes Usenet Read only!

    --

    7-77-777, Evil Sinner! >https://www.linkedin.com/in/branimir-maksimovic-6762bbaa/


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  • From Branimir Maksimovic@21:1/5 to Lynn McGuire on Thu Nov 2 11:45:28 2023
    XPost: comp.lang.c++, comp.lang.fortran

    ["Followup-To:" header set to comp.arch.]
    On 2023-10-31, Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> wrote:
    Apparently comp.arch, comp.lang.c++, and comp.lang.fortran are now read
    only at google groups to stop the spam floods.

    Lynn
    I notice by number of headers. it dropped significantly...

    --

    7-77-777, Evil Sinner! https://www.linkedin.com/in/branimir-maksimovic-6762bbaa/

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  • From Branimir Maksimovic@21:1/5 to Opus on Thu Nov 2 11:46:50 2023
    On 2023-11-01, Opus <ifonly@youknew.org> wrote:
    On 31/10/2023 23:32, Lynn McGuire wrote:
    Apparently comp.arch, comp.lang.c++, and comp.lang.fortran are now read
    only at google groups to stop the spam floods.

    Testing here, but I'm using ES not google and am currently unable to
    post as well.
    Just pay 5$ for 10 GiB, that's lifetime for text.
    https://usenet-news.net/


    --

    7-77-777, Evil Sinner! https://www.linkedin.com/in/branimir-maksimovic-6762bbaa/

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  • From wolfgang kern@21:1/5 to red floyd on Fri Nov 3 11:25:50 2023
    XPost: comp.lang.c++, comp.lang.fortran

    On 02/11/2023 06:05, red floyd wrote:
    On 11/1/2023 5:40 AM, Joe Pfeiffer wrote:

    No, I'm reading through Eternal September. Blocking posts with Thai
    characters eliminates nearly all of the flood for me (but geez, it's
    awful that it's necessary).


    Anybody know can you do that blocking with Thunderbird?

    YES, I could make all exotic spam disappear that way [for now].
    __
    wolfgang (ES+Thunderbird)

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  • From Quadibloc@21:1/5 to Lynn McGuire on Sun Nov 5 20:19:39 2023
    XPost: comp.lang.c++, comp.lang.fortran

    On Tue, 31 Oct 2023 17:32:11 -0500, Lynn McGuire wrote:

    Apparently comp.arch, comp.lang.c++, and comp.lang.fortran are now read
    only at google groups to stop the spam floods.

    Initially, when I read this, I thought that this was not the case, at least
    for comp.arch, as I had just posted there on Google Groups.

    However, somewhat later, I did try again - having switched to Eternal
    September to _read_ it without the spam flood - and I found that this
    was true... and, in addition, now Google Groups is requiring a CAPTCHA
    to post to any other group.

    John Savard

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  • From Chris M. Thomasson@21:1/5 to Quadibloc on Sun Nov 5 12:29:53 2023
    On 11/5/2023 12:19 PM, Quadibloc wrote:
    On Tue, 31 Oct 2023 17:32:11 -0500, Lynn McGuire wrote:

    Apparently comp.arch, comp.lang.c++, and comp.lang.fortran are now read
    only at google groups to stop the spam floods.

    Initially, when I read this, I thought that this was not the case, at least for comp.arch, as I had just posted there on Google Groups.

    However, somewhat later, I did try again - having switched to Eternal September to _read_ it without the spam flood - and I found that this
    was true... and, in addition, now Google Groups is requiring a CAPTCHA
    to post to any other group.

    Pondering here... The evil AI can eat CAPTCHA for breakfast... Just
    kidding, humm. However, the spam (DOS attack) is basically down.

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  • From David Brown@21:1/5 to Chris M. Thomasson on Mon Nov 6 09:14:30 2023
    On 05/11/2023 21:29, Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
    On 11/5/2023 12:19 PM, Quadibloc wrote:
    On Tue, 31 Oct 2023 17:32:11 -0500, Lynn McGuire wrote:

    Apparently comp.arch, comp.lang.c++, and comp.lang.fortran are now read
    only at google groups to stop the spam floods.

    Initially, when I read this, I thought that this was not the case, at
    least
    for comp.arch, as I had just posted there on Google Groups.

    However, somewhat later, I did try again - having switched to Eternal
    September to _read_ it without the spam flood - and I found that this
    was true... and, in addition, now Google Groups is requiring a CAPTCHA
    to post to any other group.

    Pondering here... The evil AI can eat CAPTCHA for breakfast... Just
    kidding, humm. However, the spam (DOS attack) is basically down.


    The spammers seem to be managing to post to comp.arch.fpga...

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