This thread is intended for the students of CS-234: Technologies for democratic society

How does Usenet fit into the vision presented by Licklider and Taylor in
"The Computer as a Communication Device"?

Reflect on:
- Which aspects of their vision are realized through Usenet?
- What aspects have evolved differently from what they imagined?

Feel free to respond to comments made by your classmates as well.

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CS234 <cs234@lhmerino.dont-email.me> wrote:

This thread is intended for the students of CS-234: Technologies for democratic society

How does Usenet fit into the vision presented by Licklider and Taylor in
"The Computer as a Communication Device"?

Reflect on:
- Which aspects of their vision are realized through Usenet?
- What aspects have evolved differently from what they imagined?

Feel free to respond to comments made by your classmates as well.
- test
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CS234 <cs234@lhmerino.dont-email.me> wrote:

This thread is intended for the students of CS-234: Technologies for democratic society

How does Usenet fit into the vision presented by Licklider and Taylor in
"The Computer as a Communication Device"?

Reflect on:
- Which aspects of their vision are realized through Usenet?
- What aspects have evolved differently from what they imagined?

Feel free to respond to comments made by your classmates as well.

- ok ok
- test test

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CS234 <cs234@lhmerino.dont-email.me> wrote:

This thread is intended for the students of CS-234: Technologies for democratic society

How does Usenet fit into the vision presented by Licklider and Taylor in
"The Computer as a Communication Device"?

Reflect on:
- Which aspects of their vision are realized through Usenet?
- What aspects have evolved differently from what they imagined?

Feel free to respond to comments made by your classmates as well.

- hello
- world

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CS234 <cs234@lhmerino.dont-email.me> wrote:

This thread is intended for the students of CS-234: Technologies for democratic society

How does Usenet fit into the vision presented by Licklider and Taylor in
"The Computer as a Communication Device"?

Reflect on:
- Which aspects of their vision are realized through Usenet?
- What aspects have evolved differently from what they imagined?

Feel free to respond to comments made by your classmates as well.

Hello,

Just tested the LAB, everything seems to be working well !

Jérémy Hugentobler (EA)

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CS234 <cs234@lhmerino.dont-email.me> wrote:

This thread is intended for the students of CS-234: Technologies for democratic society

How does Usenet fit into the vision presented by Licklider and Taylor in
"The Computer as a Communication Device"?

Reflect on:
- Which aspects of their vision are realized through Usenet?
- What aspects have evolved differently from what they imagined?

Feel free to respond to comments made by your classmates as well.

Thsi is my follow up response

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Licklider and Taylor emphasized communication over data processing,
which is a concept realized by Usenet. Usenet allows people to
engage in discussions and exchange ideas on a wide range of topics
through newsgroups. It has also been used as a platform for
distributing intellectual resources, facilitating the sharing of
knowledge across a large user base. However, social media and the
World Wide Web have overshadowed Usenet, aligning more closely with
Licklider and Taylor’s vision of widespread and easily accessible communication for all. The interactive and multimedia capabilities
of these newer platforms offer features that Usenet doesn't provide,
making them more engaging for modern users.

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CS234 <cs234@lhmerino.dont-email.me> wrote:

This thread is intended for the students of CS-234: Technologies for democratic society

How does Usenet fit into the vision presented by Licklider and Taylor in
"The Computer as a Communication Device"?

Reflect on:
- Which aspects of their vision are realized through Usenet?
- What aspects have evolved differently from what they imagined?

Feel free to respond to comments made by your classmates as well.

test 2

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CS234 <cs234@lhmerino.dont-email.me> wrote:

This thread is intended for the students of CS-234: Technologies for democratic society

How does Usenet fit into the vision presented by Licklider and Taylor in
"The Computer as a Communication Device"?

Reflect on:
- Which aspects of their vision are realized through Usenet?
- What aspects have evolved differently from what they imagined?

Feel free to respond to comments made by your classmates as well.

This is a test

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CS234 <cs234@lhmerino.dont-email.me> wrote:

This thread is intended for the students of CS-234: Technologies for democratic society

How does Usenet fit into the vision presented by Licklider and Taylor in
"The Computer as a Communication Device"?

Reflect on:
- Which aspects of their vision are realized through Usenet?
- What aspects have evolved differently from what they imagined?

Feel free to respond to comments made by your classmates as well.

Can I post multiple times??

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CS234 <cs234@lhmerino.dont-email.me> wrote:

This thread is intended for the students of CS-234: Technologies for democratic society

How does Usenet fit into the vision presented by Licklider and Taylor in
"The Computer as a Communication Device"?

Reflect on:
- Which aspects of their vision are realized through Usenet?
- What aspects have evolved differently from what they imagined?

Feel free to respond to comments made by your classmates as well.

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CS234 <cs234@lhmerino.dont-email.me> wrote:

How does Usenet fit into the vision presented by Licklider and Taylor in
"The Computer as a Communication Device"?

Reflect on:
- Which aspects of their vision are realized through Usenet?
- What aspects have evolved differently from what they imagined?

Their vision was realized through these aspects:
Features like follow up encourage interactive dialogue thus going beyond one-way transfer of information.

They were interested in cooperative modelling where people communicate and confront their internal models for a subject.

The organization of discussion in groups provides an outline for what the subject of the discussion ought to be.
Each article is listed and accessible through a tree architecture.
The delimitation to specific topics invite the users to compare their mental models.
By placing each article at the same hierarchical level,this highlights how each model is competing with one another rather than prescribing a specific relationship between the various articles
Users thus form online communities of common interests.

The presence of articles in full before the response of the subsequent user as well as the quote features is analogous to the use of the computer at the Stanford research Institute:
- Users can read in full the primary data of other users (their articles)
- They can read through articles without interrupting any user

Usenet's design resembles more a store and forward rather than a channel switching.
Users can on request publish an article. Then they can at request retrieve an article. There is no need to be listening to the channel while another user is writing on it.
All of which is managed by the code used to run Usenet which constitutes an OLIVER.

Usenet is an open-ended network evidenced by the fact that this assignment will be completed by many student under different operating systems.

However their analysis is out of date or wrong on some fronts :
- The cost of hourly communication is drastically lower than their estimated 16$/hr (with inflation 144$/hr)
- ISPs for home internet do still provide "continuous" access to telephone lines and charge as such based on this promise
whereas phone operators "promise" continuous access but in effect use store and forward infrastructure as per their preduction and offer quotas based on volume

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CS234 <cs234@lhmerino.dont-email.me> wrote:

This thread is intended for the students of CS-234: Technologies for democratic society

How does Usenet fit into the vision presented by Licklider and Taylor in
"The Computer as a Communication Device"?

Reflect on:
- Which aspects of their vision are realized through Usenet?
- What aspects have evolved differently from what they imagined?

Feel free to respond to comments made by your classmates as well.

Hello!

In my opinion, Usenet reflects many of the key ideas from Licklider and Taylor's concept in The Computer as a Communication Device.
Their idea was that computers would not just share static data but help people solve problems together by creating "communities of interest."
Usenet does this by providing a decentralized platform where people from all over the world can discuss specific topics through newsgroups,
breaking down geographic barriers and allowing the free exchange of ideas.

However, some parts of their vision took a different direction.
Licklider and Taylor imagined more real-time interaction and integrated tools for collaboration with dynamic interfaces, like shared workspaces and instant feedback.
Usenet focuses on asynchronous communication, missing those real-time collaborative elements.
Modern tools like Slack, Google Docs, and video conferencing have evolved in line with their vision,
offering multimedia interaction and live collaboration, which Usenet, being mostly text-based, doesn't provide.

Best regards

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CS234 <cs234@lhmerino.dont-email.me> wrote:

This thread is intended for the students of CS-234: Technologies for democratic society

How does Usenet fit into the vision presented by Licklider and Taylor in
"The Computer as a Communication Device"?

Reflect on:
- Which aspects of their vision are realized through Usenet?
- What aspects have evolved differently from what they imagined?

Feel free to respond to comments made by your classmates as well.

fix: I repost this time with my dont-email address in the From: section (attempt 2)

Hello!

In my opinion, Usenet reflects many of the key ideas from Licklider and Taylor's concept in The Computer as a Communication Device.
Their idea was that computers would not just share static data but help people solve problems together by creating "communities of interest."
Usenet does this by providing a decentralized platform where people from all over the world can discuss specific topics through newsgroups,
breaking down geographic barriers and allowing the free exchange of ideas.

However, some parts of their vision took a different direction.
Licklider and Taylor imagined more real-time interaction and integrated tools for collaboration with dynamic interfaces, like shared workspaces and instant feedback.
Usenet focuses on asynchronous communication, missing those real-time collaborative elements.
Modern tools like Slack, Google Docs, and video conferencing have evolved in line with their vision, offering multimedia interaction and live collaboration,
which Usenet, being mostly text-based, doesn't provide.

Best regards!

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CS234 <cs234@lhmerino.dont-email.me> wrote:

This thread is intended for the students of CS-234: Technologies for democratic society

How does Usenet fit into the vision presented by Licklider and Taylor in
"The Computer as a Communication Device"?

Reflect on:
- Which aspects of their vision are realized through Usenet?
- What aspects have evolved differently from what they imagined?

Feel free to respond to comments made by your classmates as well.

In their paper, Licklider and Taylor envisioned the connection of communities of geographically separated people with common interests, which they can share thoughts and collaborate without having to travel far or wait for the rather slow analogue
solutions available at the time. They also spoke of a "supercommunity", which interconnects all members of all communities. UseNet achieves this goal.

However, as already touched upon in the lecture, the authors present an almost utopian vision of what a network like UseNet could bring the world, predicting greater happiness, higher productivity, lower unemployment, etc. The effects brought upon by
UseNet are however, to my knowledge, not even remotely this gigantic in scale.

Also, if we zoom out and compare the current 2024 state of the world, the argument could be made that our modern forms of communication, which in essence do resemble the author's vision, have brought up countless benefits; however the "rose-tinted"
vision by the authors failed to predict plenty of negative consequences, even consequences directly linked the the mentioned benefits, such as f.e. stress and anxiety caused by being constantly connected.

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CS234 <cs234@lhmerino.dont-email.me> wrote:

This thread is intended for the students of CS-234: Technologies for democratic society

How does Usenet fit into the vision presented by Licklider and Taylor in
"The Computer as a Communication Device"?

Reflect on:
- Which aspects of their vision are realized through Usenet?
- What aspects have evolved differently from what they imagined?

Feel free to respond to comments made by your classmates as well.

- Usenet aligns with the world communicating about very specific subject in order to share knowledge.
This is made very practical by making the discussions threaded around a given subject.
In the reading, the author argued that this was a form of creative communication as opposed
to what phone calls for example.
- One point that evolved rather differently from what the author imagined is that people due to
being anonymous might also create a toxic environnement for the subgroups they don't like.
This is something that was rather difficult to imagine as the concept of anonymity wasn't
really in people's daily life when the article was written.
- I also think the author was very optimistic about the future of communication and couldn't have guessed
about how people were going to interact with the new technologies in a bad way.

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CS234 <cs234@lhmerino.dont-email.me> wrote:

This thread is intended for the students of CS-234: Technologies for democratic society

How does Usenet fit into the vision presented by Licklider and Taylor in
"The Computer as a Communication Device"?

Reflect on:
- Which aspects of their vision are realized through Usenet?
- What aspects have evolved differently from what they imagined?

Feel free to respond to comments made by your classmates as well.

UseNet fits into the vision inside "The Computer as a comunication device", because even at the time,
The authors envision "on-line interactive communities" of geographically separated members
connected by common interests rather than location.
This is very similar to how Usenet newsgroups function, and the book already anticipated what
will become the blogs in the future.

LickLider and Taylor envisaged the potential for users to share programs, data, and ideas across a network.
This is just like how Usenet allows users to share information through newsgroups
The authors also describe a "network of networks" that interconnects various computer systems, which is what >
well even before the concept of blockchains.

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CS234 <cs234@lhmerino.dont-email.me> wrote:

This thread is intended for the students of CS-234:
Technologies for democratic society

How does Usenet fit into the vision presented by Licklider and Taylor in
"The Computer as a Communication Device"?

UseNet fits into the vision inside
"The Computer as a comunication device", because even at the time,
The authors envision "on-line interactive communities"
of geographically separated members
connected by common interests rather than location.
This is very similar to how Usenet newsgroups function,

and the book already anticipated what

will become the blogs in the future.

LickLider and Taylor envisaged the potential

for users to share programs,

data, and ideas across a network.
This is just like how Usenet allows users to share

information through newsgroups

The authors also describe a "network of networks"

that interconnects various computer systems,

which is what decentralized systems were
well even before the concept of blockchains.

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CS234 <cs234@lhmerino.dont-email.me> wrote:

This thread is intended for the students of CS-234: Technologies for democratic society

How does Usenet fit into the vision presented by Licklider and Taylor in
"The Computer as a Communication Device"?

Reflect on:
- Which aspects of their vision are realized through Usenet?
- What aspects have evolved differently from what they imagined?

Feel free to respond to comments made by your classmates as well.

Aspects Licklider and Taylor imagined similarly are that the computer would enable
long distance communication and minimise having to travel back and forth for in-person
meetings. Usenet provides a platform for people to chat to each other at their own
discretion. While a phone call requires two people to agree to 'meet', BBS allow users
to communicate at their leisure and enable more effective communication.

However, they overestimated the capacity of technology at the time of Usenet. They
believed that people would be able to have a personal AI assistent (OLIVER) to handle
schduling or menial tasks. This contrasts Usenets true application, which is providing
a democratised, free and open BBS to voice thoughts and opinions.

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Owen <owenng@owenng.dont-email.me> wrote:

CS234 <cs234@lhmerino.dont-email.me> wrote:

This thread is intended for the students of CS-234: Technologies for democratic society

How does Usenet fit into the vision presented by Licklider and Taylor in
"The Computer as a Communication Device"?

Reflect on:
- Which aspects of their vision are realized through Usenet?
- What aspects have evolved differently from what they imagined?

Feel free to respond to comments made by your classmates as well.

Aspects Licklider and Taylor imagined similarly are that the computer would enable
long distance communication and minimise having to travel back and forth for in-person
meetings. Usenet provides a platform for people to chat to each other at their own
discretion. While a phone call requires two people to agree to 'meet', BBS allow users
to communicate at their leisure and enable more effective communication.

However, they overestimated the capacity of technology at the time of Usenet. They
believed that people would be able to have a personal AI assistent (OLIVER) to handle
schduling or menial tasks. This contrasts Usenets true application, which is providing
a democratised, free and open BBS to voice thoughts and opinions.

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root <root@255.255.255.255> wrote:

CS234 <cs234@lhmerino.dont-email.me> wrote:

This thread is intended for the students of CS-234: Technologies for democratic society

How does Usenet fit into the vision presented by Licklider and Taylor in
"The Computer as a Communication Device"?

Reflect on:
- Which aspects of their vision are realized through Usenet?
- What aspects have evolved differently from what they imagined?

Feel free to respond to comments made by your classmates as well.

Aspects Licklider and Taylor imagined similarly are that the computer would enable
long distance communication and minimise having to travel back and forth for in-person
meetings. Usenet provides a platform for people to chat to each other at their own
discretion. While a phone call requires two people to agree to 'meet', BBS allow users
to communicate at their leisure and enable more effective communication.

However, they overestimated the capacity of technology at the time of Usenet. They
believed that people would be able to have a personal AI assistent (OLIVER) to handle
schduling or menial tasks. This contrasts Usenets true application, which is providing
a democratised, free and open BBS to voice thoughts and opinions.

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CS234 <cs234@lhmerino.dont-email.me> wrote:

This thread is intended for the students of CS-234: Technologies for democratic society

How does Usenet fit into the vision presented by Licklider and Taylor in
"The Computer as a Communication Device"?

Reflect on:
- Which aspects of their vision are realized through Usenet?
- What aspects have evolved differently from what they imagined?

Feel free to respond to comments made by your classmates as well.

Is this where I am supposed to write the message ? What’s the difference between a follow up and a reply ? Anyways.
Is this whole usenet system still active in any way ? On one hand it seems very outdated and inconvenient, but on another… this is still running smoothly and seems to be maintained competently. Never underestimate legacy systems’ ability to stick
around I guess. I wonder who’ sjob it is to upkeep 50-year old obsolete internet forums for… whoever still uses them
I find this interesting, and quite frankly a little nostalgic, despite never living in a period where this was at its height. It harkens back to an older period of computers, where the internet was less comercialised, less pervasive and all around us

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CS234 <cs234@lhmerino.dont-email.me> wrote:

This thread is intended for the students of CS-234: Technologies for democratic society

How does Usenet fit into the vision presented by Licklider and Taylor in
"The Computer as a Communication Device"?

Reflect on:
- Which aspects of their vision are realized through Usenet?
- What aspects have evolved differently from what they imagined?

Feel free to respond to comments made by your classmates as well.
Hi, here's my answer:

Licklider envisioned computers as powerful tools to enhance communication and help collaboration,
and Usenet closely aligns with this vision by providing one of the first global platforms for people to exchange
ideas and engage in discussions across different cities/countries/continents. Its decentralized structure allowed users to collaborate, share knowledge freely, and build interactive
communities, fulfilling Licklider’s goal of democratizing information and communication.

However, certain aspects have evolved differently from his vision. The lack of moderation in many newsgroups
led to issues like spam which hindered productive discourse. Additionally, Usenet’s text-based
interface, while groundbreaking at the time, limited accessibility compared to modern platforms that offer more
intuitive, multimedia-rich experiences. Moreover, the rise of tools like search engines has since transformed
online collaboration, surpassing Usenet’s initial offerings by making interactions faster and more dynamic.

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CS234 <cs234@lhmerino.dont-email.me> wrote:

This thread is intended for the students of CS-234: Technologies for democratic society

How does Usenet fit into the vision presented by Licklider and Taylor in
"The Computer as a Communication Device"?

Reflect on:
- Which aspects of their vision are realized through Usenet?
- What aspects have evolved differently from what they imagined?

Feel free to respond to comments made by your classmates as well.

In “The Computer as a Communication Device”, Licklider and Taylor demonstrated remarkable foresight in predicting what would eventually become the internet. Many of their ideas were actualized in Usenet, in particular:
* Their vision of online communities based on shared interests rather than physical proximity has come to pass, as seen in Usenet communities.
* Their concept of computer networks is realized through the peer-to-peer network of Usenet.
* Their model of interactive communication is partially realized through Usenet, as the sharing of text over long distances facilitated communication.
However:
* Usenet only allowed text to be shared, so their vision of a “shared mental model” would only be fully realized later.
* The price they predicted was much higher than what was required at the time to communicate through Usenet.
* The societal impact of Usenet was limited. Although people managed to share information, including educational knowledge, it did not have the widespread influence that would only come later with other platforms.

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CS234 <cs234@lhmerino.dont-email.me> wrote:

This thread is intended for the students of CS-234: Technologies for democratic society

How does Usenet fit into the vision presented by Licklider and Taylor in
"The Computer as a Communication Device"?

Reflect on:
- Which aspects of their vision are realized through Usenet?
- What aspects have evolved differently from what they imagined?

Feel free to respond to comments made by your classmates as well.

Licklider and Taylor envisioned computers as tools for real-time, interactive collaboration, where people could share and develop ideas together, using dynamic models and processes. While Usenet allowed global communication by letting users post and
discuss messages, it was mostly text-based and asynchronous, lacking the live, real-time interaction they imagined. Usenet didn’t offer the kind of creative, model-driven collaboration or the ability to work on complex tasks together, which were
central to Licklider and Taylor’s vision. It connected people, but didn’t provide the deeper, interactive experience they believed would revolutionize communication.

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CS234 <cs234@lhmerino.dont-email.me> wrote:

This thread is intended for the students of CS-234: Technologies for democratic society

How does Usenet fit into the vision presented by Licklider and Taylor in
"The Computer as a Communication Device"?

Reflect on:
- Which aspects of their vision are realized through Usenet?
- What aspects have evolved differently from what they imagined?

Feel free to respond to comments made by your classmates as well.

In the vision presented by Licklider and Taylor in "The Computer as a Communication Device",they were right about
the interconnecting between computers. In Usenet, people can communicate easily, even if they are “geographically”
very far away.However, they were a little bit overexcited about the actual development it could have.
What I mean is, that there is no “OLIVER” (IA) checking this for you,and learning on itself here. Also, it’s not
used only for scientific purposes or job-related matters. They evoke the fact that it could be more widely
used, and it is. People come here to talk about all different subjects and exchange information, opinions…

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CS234 <cs234@lhmerino.dont-email.me> wrote:

This thread is intended for the students of CS-234: Technologies for democratic society

How does Usenet fit into the vision presented by Licklider and Taylor in
"The Computer as a Communication Device"?

Reflect on:
- Which aspects of their vision are realized through Usenet?
- What aspects have evolved differently from what they imagined?

Feel free to respond to comments made by your classmates as well.

Usenet fits into Licklider and Taylor’s vision of computers as communication tools by
allowing open discussions among users worldwide. As they predicted in "The Computer as a
Communication Device”, Usenet enables collaborative communication, allowing users to
share knowledge, discuss topics, and solve problems across vast distances. This online
community reflects their idea of computers connecting people and encouraging collaboration. However, some aspects of Usenet have evolved differently. While the authors
envisioned real-time, interactive communication, Usenet operates asynchronously, with users
posting and accessing content at different times. Additionally, it’s text-based, whereas they
imagined more advanced multimedia exchanges that modern platforms now offer. Though
Usenet is considered the groundwork for distributed communication, it lacks the real-time
interaction and multimedia aspects and capabilities that are central to today’s collaborative
tools like video-calls and social media platforms.

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CS234 <cs234@lhmerino.dont-email.me> wrote:

This thread is intended for the students of CS-234: Technologies for democratic society

How does Usenet fit into the vision presented by Licklider and Taylor in
"The Computer as a Communication Device"?

Reflect on:
- Which aspects of their vision are realized through Usenet?
- What aspects have evolved differently from what they imagined?

Feel free to respond to comments made by your classmates as well.

Hello,

I believe the vision presented by Licklider and Taylor was a bit more advanced than what Usenet provides.
On one hand, it is true that Usenet is in the spirit of what they had described in the text:
it allowed its users to find communities that share the same interests as them, and to communicate with them.
This allowed the users to engage in interactive discussions about topics that they really care about, with people from all around the world.
As described in the text, Usenet managed to “interconnect the separate communities and [...] transform them into a supercommunity”.

On the other hand, unlike what was described in the text, Usenet doesn’t allow us to interact “as much through it as face to face”.
But their prediction was far from being wrong, since nowadays we can find countless applications that allow us to do so.
Another point that they didn’t get right was the price of communicating, which turned out to be much less of a problem than what they initially thought.

Kind Regards

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CS234 <cs234@lhmerino.dont-email.me> wrote:

This thread is intended for the students of CS-234: Technologies for democratic society

How does Usenet fit into the vision presented by Licklider and Taylor in
"The Computer as a Communication Device"?

Reflect on:
- Which aspects of their vision are realized through Usenet?
- What aspects have evolved differently from what they imagined?

Feel free to respond to comments made by your classmates as well.

testing testing 1 2 3

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CS234 <cs234@lhmerino.dont-email.me> wrote:

This thread is intended for the students of CS-234: Technologies for democratic society

How does Usenet fit into the vision presented by Licklider and Taylor in
"The Computer as a Communication Device"?

Reflect on:
- Which aspects of their vision are realized through Usenet?
- What aspects have evolved differently from what they imagined?

Feel free to respond to comments made by your classmates as well.

La tecnología ha transformado radicalmente nuestra
vida diaria. Desde la manera en que nos comunicamos hasta cómo trabajamos,
los avances tecnológicos han facilitado nuestras tareas y conectado al mundo entero.
El acceso a la información se ha vuelto más rápido y amplio, lo que permite a las personas
aprender y compartir conocimientos instantáneamente. Sin embargo, tambié
n presenta desafíos como la dependencia digital y problemas de privacidad
. Es esencial encontrar un equilibrio entre aprovechar sus beneficios y proteger nuestra seguridad y bienestar
. La tecnología, bien utilizada, puede ser una poderosa
herramienta para el progreso humano y el desarrollo sostenible.

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CS234 <cs234@lhmerino.dont-email.me> wrote:

This thread is intended for the students of CS-234: Technologies for democratic society

How does Usenet fit into the vision presented by Licklider and Taylor in
"The Computer as a Communication Device"?

Reflect on:
- Which aspects of their vision are realized through Usenet?
- What aspects have evolved differently from what they imagined?

Feel free to respond to comments made by your classmates as well.

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CS234 <cs234@lhmerino.dont-email.me> wrote:

This thread is intended for the students of CS-234: Technologies for democratic society

How does Usenet fit into the vision presented by Licklider and Taylor in
"The Computer as a Communication Device"?

Reflect on:
- Which aspects of their vision are realized through Usenet?
- What aspects have evolved differently from what they imagined?

Feel free to respond to comments made by your classmates as well.

test v2

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CS234 <cs234@lhmerino.dont-email.me> wrote:

This thread is intended for the students of CS-234: Technologies for democratic society

How does Usenet fit into the vision presented by Licklider and Taylor in
"The Computer as a Communication Device"?

Reflect on:
- Which aspects of their vision are realized through Usenet?
- What aspects have evolved differently from what they imagined?

Feel free to respond to comments made by your classmates as well.

test test

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CS234 <cs234@lhmerino.dont-email.me> wrote:

This thread is intended for the students of CS-234: Technologies for democratic society

How does Usenet fit into the vision presented by Licklider and Taylor in
"The Computer as a Communication Device"?

Reflect on:
- Which aspects of their vision are realized through Usenet?
- What aspects have evolved differently from what they imagined?

Feel free to respond to comments made by your classmates as well.

One of the aspects of their vision that is realized through Usenet is the fact that it provided a free and open
access to information that made sharing of knowledge easier. Another aspects of their vision realized is that
Usenet was decentralized and the Usenet servers were interconnected and thus Usenet was not managed by a government or
a private company.Finally, the other aspect of their vision that was realized is that Usenet put the emphasis on making
communication easier. Unfortunatly, the authors did not predict that Usenet would be also used to spread undesirable
messages such as spams and Usenet lacked an immediate interaction caused by messages posted with a delay.

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CS234 <cs234@lhmerino.dont-email.me> wrote:

This thread is intended for the students of CS-234: Technologies for democratic society

How does Usenet fit into the vision presented by Licklider and Taylor in
"The Computer as a Communication Device"?

Reflect on:
- Which aspects of their vision are realized through Usenet?
- What aspects have evolved differently from what they imagined?

Feel free to respond to comments made by your classmates as well.

test test test

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CS234 <cs234@lhmerino.dont-email.me> wrote:

This thread is intended for the students of CS-234: Technologies for

democratic society

How does Usenet fit into the vision presented by Licklider and Taylor in
"The Computer as a Communication Device"?

Reflect on:
- Which aspects of their vision are realized through Usenet?
- What aspects have evolved differently from what they imagined?

Feel free to respond to comments made by your classmates as well.

In their vision, Licklider and Taylor imagined computers as tools for collaborative communication, allowing users to share information globally. Usenet reealizes this through structure, where individuals can participate in discussions across various topics without needing real-time interaction.
The decentralized nature of Usenet aligns with their concept of
interconnected communication, fostering global collaboration. However,
one aspect that has evolved differently is the lack of real-time
collaboration, which modern platforms such as Slack or Microsoft Teams
fulfill more effectively. Usenet's reliance on threaded, asynchronous communication doesn't fully capture the real-time interaction Licklider and Taylor anticipated.

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CS234 <cs234@lhmerino.dont-email.me> wrote:

This thread is intended for the students of CS-234: Technologies for

democratic society

How does Usenet fit into the vision presented by Licklider and Taylor in
"The Computer as a Communication Device"?

Reflect on:
- Which aspects of their vision are realized through Usenet?
- What aspects have evolved differently from what they imagined?

Feel free to respond to comments made by your classmates as well.

The vision laid out by Licklider and Taylor emphasized the idea of computers
as tools for collaborative communication, allowing global interaction without the barriers of time or distance. Usenet embodies much of this vision by providing a platform where users from all over the world can engage in discussions asynchronously, sharing knowledge on a variety of topics.
However, Licklider and Taylor also foresaw real-time, interactive communication, which Usenet lacks. Modern communication tools like instant messaging and video conferencing better reflect this aspect of their
vision, but Usenet's role in democratizing information access remains significant.

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CS234 <cs234@lhmerino.dont-email.me> wrote:

This thread is intended for the students of CS-234: Technologies for democratic society

How does Usenet fit into the vision presented by Licklider and Taylor in
"The Computer as a Communication Device"?

Reflect on:
- Which aspects of their vision are realized through Usenet?
- What aspects have evolved differently from what they imagined?

Feel free to respond to comments made by your classmates as well.

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CS234 <cs234@lhmerino.dont-email.me> wrote:

This thread is intended for the students of CS-234: Technologies for democratic society

How does Usenet fit into the vision presented by Licklider and Taylor in
"The Computer as a Communication Device"?

Reflect on:
- Which aspects of their vision are realized through Usenet?
- What aspects have evolved differently from what they imagined?

Feel free to respond to comments made by your classmates as well.

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CS234 <cs234@lhmerino.dont-email.me> wrote:

This thread is intended for the student
How does Usenet fit into the vision presented by Licklider and Taylor in
"The Computer as a Communication Device"?

Reflect on:
- Which aspects of their vision are realized through Usenet?
- What aspects have evolved differently from what they imagined?

Feel free to respond to comments made by your classmates as well.

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CS234 <cs234@lhmerino.dont-email.me> wrote:

This thread is intended for the students of CS-234: Technologies for democratic society

How does Usenet fit into the vision presented by Licklider and Taylor in
"The Computer as a Communication Device"?

Reflect on:
- Which aspects of their vision are realized through Usenet?
- What aspects have evolved differently from what they imagined?

Feel free to respond to comments made by your classmates as well.

As Licklider and Taylor predicted, the computer was the communication device of the future.
They were right about many things. UseNet is a good illustration of some of them.

As we could see Tuesday, UseNet was used to share information, talk and debate of some themes.
It has a system of NewsGroup that clearly helps to share on precise subjects. Licklider and Taylor talked about the fact that the computer would mainly unite people not
by groups of people living far away from the others, but by subjects and
common interest of the users, so they can share data and work together.

Another main point was the access, equal participation. On UseNet, except the moderators or the,
there isn’t a clear hierarchy, everyone can participate as much as the others.

However, they forgot many of the inconveniences that could cause those devices. And I think they
exaggerated all the team work that would be done far from the others. It is sure that we don't
travel as much as before for work reasons,but sometimes it can be better to speak in front of
the other and help each other more easily in presential.

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CS234 <cs234@lhmerino.dont-email.me> wrote:

This thread is intended for the students of CS-234: Technologies for democratic society

How does Usenet fit into the vision presented by Licklider and Taylor in
"The Computer as a Communication Device"?

Reflect on:
- Which aspects of their vision are realized through Usenet?
- What aspects have evolved differently from what they imagined?

Feel free to respond to comments made by your classmates as well.

Usenet fits into the vision presented by Licklider and Taylor in the sense that they had envisioned
computers as means to facilitate communication between people that share common interests, regardless
of the distances that seperate them. This vision is realized by Usenet, notibly by allowing users from
various geographical locations to collectively share knowledge.

The most obvious aspect of Usenet that diverges slightly from Licklider and Taylor's vision is probably
the concept of real-time interaction. While this would technically be possible through the platform,
Usenet lacks the fluidity of a real time face to face conversation, and rather acts as more of an
asynchronous platform, in which messages are posted and responded over time. I feel that it is important to
note that, while this immediaty of conversation perhaps lacks, the collaboration aspect that they envisioned
is certainly present within the Usenet system. :)
certainly present

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CS234 <cs234@lhmerino.dont-email.me> wrote:

This thread is intended for the students of CS-234: Technologies for democratic society

How does Usenet fit into the vision presented by Licklider and Taylor in
"The Computer as a Communication Device"?

Reflect on:
- Which aspects of their vision are realized through Usenet?
- What aspects have evolved differently from what they imagined?

Feel free to respond to comments made by your classmates as well.

Usenet firs into the vision of Licklider and Taylor in several aspects. Fundamentally, Usenet connects people which is precisely what they envisioned.
Furthermore, the platform allows for the spread of dynamic information to which everyone with access to a computer,
which is the majority of a modern society, can access.
Beyond just spreading information, its users can also educate themselves on topics of interest that they might have
and even outlive their creativity when it comes to writing their own contributions to Usenet.
In conclusion, a multitude of their visions came to life in the form of Usenet.

Aspects that evolved differently as envisioned by the two authors,
were more about the economical and not technical aspects.
What they failed to predict is that the computer enabled economic growth.
This might be due to the new sectors it created and also through optimizing various economical processes.

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CS234 <cs234@lhmerino.dont-email.me> wrote:

This thread is intended for the students of CS-234: Technologies for democratic society

How does Usenet fit into the vision presented by Licklider and Taylor in
"The Computer as a Communication Device"?

Reflect on:
- Which aspects of their vision are realized through Usenet?
- What aspects have evolved differently from what they imagined?

Feel free to respond to comments made by your classmates as well.

Usenet is a very useful tool for improving communication, and many aspects from Licklider and Taylor’s view can be found here.This discussion system first broke the barrier of distance.People from different continents can join newsgroups, exchange
ideas, and interact on various topics. More importantly, people choose the topics they want to discuss. This tool also contributes significantly to knowledge sharing reflecting the author’s vision on how computers can foster cooperation and sharing of
programs. Nevertheless, some aspects evolved differently. For example, the asynchronous communication (I have to make posts / read and then respond to a post) doesn’t fully support their vision as ideas are not exchanged instantly. Moreover costs they
imagined were higher than actual ones (cost of transmission which is now almost insignificant). Usenet’s text-based format also limits interaction, lacking the real-time collaboration the modern technology provides. However ,Usenet remains a practical
tool for improving collaboration and reflects the author’s forward-thinking vision.

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Nail <laraqui@laraqui.dont-email.me> wrote:

CS234 <cs234@lhmerino.dont-email.me> wrote:

This thread is intended for the students of CS-234: Technologies for democratic society

How does Usenet fit into the vision presented by Licklider and Taylor in
"The Computer as a Communication Device"?

Reflect on:
- Which aspects of their vision are realized through Usenet?
- What aspects have evolved differently from what they imagined?

Feel free to respond to comments made by your classmates as well.

One of the aspects of their vision that is realized through Usenet is the fact that it provided a free and open
access to information that made sharing of knowledge easier. Another aspects of their vision realized is that
Usenet was decentralized and the Usenet servers were interconnected and thus Usenet was not managed by a government or
a private company.Finally, the other aspect of their vision that was realized is that Usenet put the emphasis on making
communication easier. Unfortunatly, the authors did not predict that Usenet would be also used to spread undesirable
messages such as spams and Usenet lacked an immediate interaction caused by messages posted with a delay.

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CS234 <cs234@lhmerino.dont-email.me> wrote:

Reflect on:
- Which aspects of their vision are realized through Usenet?
- What aspects have evolved differently from what they imagined?

Usenet seems to implement a communication architecture quite
similar to Lickerand Taylor's idea at the time. 
In particular with the idea of "message processors"and "switching
facilities", which are very much similar to the Usenet servers and
users diagram. Usenet is also "only" a message processor and is not
capable of doing what they imagined (executing code, sharing files, permissions,etc.),but other systems, both centralized and not did it. 
The modern web also took a different approach, with a more
centralized infrastructure,but multiple of their vision has been
brought to fruition (spreading of information using a network of
computers, instant communication, teleconferences, sharing files,
partially the artificial intelligence, etc.).

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CS234 <cs234@lhmerino.dont-email.me> wrote:

This thread is intended for the students of CS-234: Technologies for democratic society

How does Usenet fit into the vision presented by Licklider and Taylor in
"The Computer as a Communication Device"?

Reflect on:
- Which aspects of their vision are realized through Usenet?
- What aspects have evolved differently from what they imagined?

Feel free to respond to comments made by your classmates as well.

testing testing 1,2,3

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CS234 <cs234@lhmerino.dont-email.me> wrote:

This thread is intended for the students of CS-234:

Technologies for democratic society

How does Usenet fit into the vision presented by Licklider and Taylor in
"The Computer as a Communication Device"?

Reflect on:
- Which aspects of their vision are realized through Usenet?
- What aspects have evolved differently from what they imagined?

Feel free to respond to comments made by your classmates as well.

As Licklider and Taylor predicted in "The Computer as a Communication Device",
Usenet brings people of similar interests together by using interconnected computers as
communication devices that don't require proximity, which simplies communication and helps people save money
(the overall access to internet increased as the costs decreased, which they also predicted).
For the case of Usenet, it wasn't widely available to everyone and easy to use for everyone
as their vision and wasn't developped enough for people to choose it over
real life communication (we can say that even today with our
developped websites and apps, some people would still prefer face to face meetings.)

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CS234 <cs234@lhmerino.dont-email.me> wrote:

This thread is intended for the students of CS-234: Technologies for democratic society

How does Usenet fit into the vision presented by Licklider and Taylor in
"The Computer as a Communication Device"?

Reflect on:
- Which aspects of their vision are realized through Usenet?
- What aspects have evolved differently from what they imagined?

Feel free to respond to comments made by your classmates as well.

Usenet realizes Licklider and Taylor's idea of a network of connected computers sharing information. In particular, every Usenet user may have their own distinct
hardware and software, but they are still able to communicate to other Usenet users via a specific protocol. The communication can take place across very large
distances and they're not limited to just within a building or room.

One difference between computers today and Licklider's essay is that Licklider believed in "multiaccess computer systems" that could be remotely logged into and
controlled by users. In the age of Usenet, we instead have a lot of single access
computer systems (one for each user), which can remotely connect to a server. Then, the relevant information processing is done partly by the client computer and partly by the server computer.

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CS234 <cs234@lhmerino.dont-email.me> wrote:

This thread is intended for the students of CS-234: Technologies for democratic society

How does Usenet fit into the vision presented by Licklider and Taylor in
"The Computer as a Communication Device"?

Reflect on:
- Which aspects of their vision are realized through Usenet?
- What aspects have evolved differently from what they imagined?

Feel free to respond to comments made by your classmates as well.

Usenet facilitated the sharing of knowledge and problem-solving through threaded discussions.
Licklider and Taylor's vision hinted at a future where communication through computers would be intuitive and accessible.
Usenet, being text-based and command-line driven,
required technical knowledge, making it less accessible to the general population.

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CS234 <cs234@lhmerino.dont-email.me> wrote:

This thread is intended for the students of

CS-234: Technologies for democratic society

How does Usenet fit into the vision presented by Licklider and Taylor in
"The Computer as a Communication Device"?

Reflect on:
- Which aspects of their vision are realized through Usenet?
- What aspects have evolved differently from what they imagined?

Feel free to respond to comments made by your classmates as well.

As Licklider and Taylor predicted in "The Computer as
a Communication Device", a multiaccess site (Usenet) brings
people of similar interests together by using interconnected computers
as communication devices that don't require proximity,
which simplifies communication and helps people save money
(the overall access to internet increased as the costs
decreased, which they also predicted).
For the case of Usenet, it wasn't widely available to everyone
at the time it was popular: you had to have access to a computer
and be familiar with how to use it, as the interface wasn't
well developped and easy to use for everyone, which wasn't their vision.
It also wasn't, not even nearly, developped well enough for people
to choose it over real life communication (we can say that even today
with our developped websites and apps, some people would still prefer
face to face meetings, which they thought would be over.)

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CS234 <cs234@lhmerino.dont-email.me> wrote:

This thread is intended for the students of CS-234: Technologies for democratic society

How does Usenet fit into the vision presented by Licklider and Taylor in
"The Computer as a Communication Device"?

Reflect on:
- Which aspects of their vision are realized through Usenet?
- What aspects have evolved differently from what they imagined?

Feel free to respond to comments made by your classmates as well.

paresseux <paresseux888.eternal-september.org>> wrote:
(I hope i'm doing this the right way)

I think that usenet is defenitly something that at least in someway fits into Licklider's vision.
Because people here can connect with that have the same interest as them. Communities don't have to be only based on location anymore.

In "A Theory of the Democratic Process", it is said that
"The demos must have the exclusive opportunity to decide how matters are to be placed on the agenda
of matters that are to be decided by means of the democratic process." (page 113)
But on usenet there are groups that have moderators that have all the power. That means that it is not a democraty.


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paresseux <paresseux888.eternal-september.org>> wrote:
(I hope i'm doing this the right way)

I think that usenet is defenitly something that at least in someway fits into Licklider's vision.
Because people here can connect with that have the same interest as them. Communities don't have to be only based on location anymore.

In "A Theory of the Democratic Process", it is said that
"The demos must have the exclusive opportunity to decide how matters are to be placed on the agenda
of matters that are to be decided by means of the democratic process." (page 113)
But on usenet there are groups that have moderators that have all the power. That means that it is not a democraty.

This thread is intended for the students of CS-234: Technologies for democratic society

How does Usenet fit into the vision presented by Licklider and Taylor in
"The Computer as a Communication Device"?

Reflect on:
- Which aspects of their vision are realized through Usenet?
- What aspects have evolved differently from what they imagined?

Feel free to respond to comments made by your classmates as well.

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CS234 <cs234@lhmerino.dont-email.me> wrote:

This thread is intended for the students of CS-234: Technologies for democratic society

How does Usenet fit into the vision presented by Licklider and Taylor in
"The Computer as a Communication Device"?

Reflect on:
- Which aspects of their vision are realized through Usenet?
- What aspects have evolved differently from what they imagined?

Feel free to respond to comments made by your classmates as well.

Firstly, UseNet represents the beginning of the new era of communication by devices. For the first time, it
allowed people to communicate in groups simultaneously all around the world (what the authors thought by
collaboration through interconnected computers).

Moreover, the fact that most of UseNet’s groups are open and free to everyone reflects the author’s vision of
equal participation, which is one of the strengths of these new forms of communication. No matter who you are,
you can express your opinion, engage in debates and learn to/from others.

However, the authors didn’t anticipate that these tools would be used for advertising tools and spams, practices
that have diminished the ideal of perfect communication that they imagined.

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CS234 <cs234@lhmerino.dont-email.me> wrote:

This thread is intended for the students of CS-234: Technologies for democratic society

How does Usenet fit into the vision presented by Licklider and Taylor in
"The Computer as a Communication Device"?

Reflect on:
- Which aspects of their vision are realized through Usenet?
- What aspects have evolved differently from what they imagined?

Feel free to respond to comments made by your classmates as well.

Usenet is really cool. I think it revolutionized how we communicate as a society. Not only did it help us
communicate on a massive scale, but it also decentralized how we communicate, as we do not need to rely on
an authority to allow us to communicate

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NBCCF025 <NBCCF025@nbccf025.dont-email.me> wrote:

CS234 <cs234@lhmerino.dont-email.me> wrote:

This thread is intended for the students of CS-234: Technologies for democratic society

How does Usenet fit into the vision presented by Licklider and Taylor in
"The Computer as a Communication Device"?

Reflect on:
- Which aspects of their vision are realized through Usenet?
- What aspects have evolved differently from what they imagined?

Feel free to respond to comments made by your classmates as well.

Usenet facilitated the sharing of knowledge and problem-solving through threaded discussions.
Licklider and Taylor's vision hinted at a future where communication through computers would be intuitive and accessible.
Usenet, being text-based and command-line driven,
required technical knowledge, making it less accessible to the general population.

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CS234 <cs234@lhmerino.dont-email.me> wrote:

This thread is intended for the students of CS-234: Technologies for democratic society

How does Usenet fit into the vision presented by Licklider and Taylor in
"The Computer as a Communication Device"?

Reflect on:
- Which aspects of their vision are realized through Usenet?
- What aspects have evolved differently from what they imagined?

Feel free to respond to comments made by your classmates as well.

Usenet is really cool. I think it revolutionized how we communicate as a society. Not only did it help us
communicate on a massive scale. However it also decentralized how we communicate, as we do not need to rely on
an authority to allow us to communicate

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CS234 <cs234@lhmerino.dont-email.me> wrote:

This thread is intended for the students of CS-234: Technologies for democratic society

How does Usenet fit into the vision presented by Licklider and Taylor in
"The Computer as a Communication Device"?

Reflect on:
- Which aspects of their vision are realized through Usenet?
- What aspects have evolved differently from what they imagined?

Feel free to respond to comments made by your classmates as well.

I'm sorry i need to post this in order to test something :)

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CS234 <cs234@lhmerino.dont-email.me> wrote:

This thread is intended for the students of CS-234: Technologies

for democratic society

How does Usenet fit into the vision presented by Licklider and Taylor in
"The Computer as a Communication Device"?

Reflect on:
- Which aspects of their vision are realized through Usenet?
- What aspects have evolved differently from what they imagined?

Feel free to respond to comments made by your classmates as well.

The first experience with Usenet is a bit confusing.
The interface is simple, almost plain, far from modern platforms.
You’re faced with a list of discussion groups, not knowing where to start.
As you browse through the messages, you find direct exchanges,
discussion on various topics.
It feels like stepping back in time to when the internet was rougher
and less regulated.
It’s a different environment, more technical, where every message come
from a specialized community.

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CS234 <cs234@lhmerino.dont-email.me> wrote:

This thread is intended for the students of CS-234: Technologies for democratic society

How does Usenet fit into the vision presented by Licklider and Taylor in
"The Computer as a Communication Device"?

Reflect on:
- Which aspects of their vision are realized through Usenet?
- What aspects have evolved differently from what they imagined?

Feel free to respond to comments made by your classmates as well.

In their article, LickLider and Taylor envisioned a network connecting multiple computers, alowing users to upload files and software that anyone in the newtork could access and
benefit. Usenet is however a bit different here, as it primarly facilates the sharing of information and discussions rather than software. This feature of spreading information and
making it accessible was also discussed in their article.
Nevertheless, Licklider and Taylor tended to view technological advancements through rose-tinted glasses, overlooking potential negative outcomes. For instance, they did not anticipate
the risks associated with malicious entities exploiting these networks. In the context of Usenet, this negligence manifested when companies began to use the platform as a free advertising space,
leading to widespread spam. This spam not only diminished the user experience but also contributed significantly to the decline in Usenet's popularity and user base.

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CS234 <cs234@lhmerino.dont-email.me> wrote:

This thread is intended for the students of CS-234: Technologies for democratic society

How does Usenet fit into the vision presented by Licklider and Taylor in
"The Computer as a Communication Device"?

Reflect on:
- Which aspects of their vision are realized through Usenet?
- What aspects have evolved differently from what they imagined?

Feel free to respond to comments made by your classmates as well.

Usenet was at the forefront of how Licklider and Taylor envisioned « The Computer as a Communication Device ». In their paper, they argued that communication isn't just about exchanging data but that involves collaboration that leads to new ideas and insights. Usenet was useful in this regard, as it allowed for the creation of online interactive communities «not of common location, but of common interest», interconnected by telecommunications channels. This made information easily accessible, providing, as they mentioned « plenty of opportunity for everyone to find his calling, for the whole world of information, with all its fields and disciplines».

Despite this, Licklider and Taylor did not anticipate the rise of malicious users and activities such as spamming on the internet, which led to advertising and made Usenet less enjoyable for its users. In their vision, these new communication networks would only improve the overall experience of collaborative innovation and knowledge sharing.

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CS234 <cs234@lhmerino.dont-email.me> wrote:

This thread is intended for the students of CS-234: Technologies for democratic society

How does Usenet fit into the vision presented by Licklider and Taylor in
"The Computer as a Communication Device"?

Reflect on:
- Which aspects of their vision are realized through Usenet?
- What aspects have evolved differently from what they imagined?

Feel free to respond to comments made by your classmates as well.

Usenet kind of fits Licklider and Taylor’s vision. It definitely lets people communicate and share ideas, like they imagined with their "community of people."
You can post things and others reply, it’s interactive, and it’s open to everyone, which is nice. But it's not exactly like they thought.

the internet evolved in ways they didn't predict, like with social media and instant messaging,
which are way faster and more popular. Also, Usenet can get messy with trolls and spam, so it’s not always the collaborative utopia they imagined.

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CS234 <cs234@lhmerino.dont-email.me> wrote:

This thread is intended for the students of CS-234: Technologies for democratic society

How does Usenet fit into the vision presented by Licklider and Taylor in
"The Computer as a Communication Device"?

Reflect on:
- Which aspects of their vision are realized through Usenet?
- What aspects have evolved differently from what they imagined?

Feel free to respond to comments made by your classmates as well.

Many aspects discussed in The Computer as a Communication Device
are realized through Usenet. First, the Communities of interest
aspect: Usenet was built around the concept of newsgroups,
connecting people with the same center of interests and enabling
them to share their ideas and to debate and exchange information
about subjects that unite them.The second aspect is the
interconnected networks. It is clear that Usenet allows for
the mixing and interconnection of subjects. Another aspect
is the decentralized access. In Usenet, anyone can participate
without any centralized control, which resonates with the
vision of an open network stated in the article, allowing
widespread access to information.

For the aspects that have evolved differently, we can
name real-time communication. The vision emphasizes
real-time interaction whereas in Usenet, the concept
focuses on asynchronous posting and probably delayed
responses with no immediate dialogue. There is
also the idea of a very sophisticated interface
like the Oliver program, but we can notice that
the Unenet interface is not really user-friendly
and is not really personalizable nor adaptable to
every user. We can also note a difference in terms
of the security and privacy concerns. On one hand,
the envisioned system is well-controlled and respectful of
the environment. On the other hand, Usenet is subject to
various security and privacy issues such as spam and trolling.

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CS234 <cs234@lhmerino.dont-email.me> wrote:

This thread is intended for the students of CS-234: Technologies for democratic society

How does Usenet fit into the vision presented by Licklider and Taylor in
"The Computer as a Communication Device"?

Reflect on:
- Which aspects of their vision are realized through Usenet?
- What aspects have evolved differently from what they imagined?

Feel free to respond to comments made by your classmates as well.

Many aspects discussed in “The Computer as a Communication Device”
are realized through Usenet. First, the Communities of interest
aspect: Usenet was built around the concept of newsgroups,
connecting people with the same center of interests and enabling
them to share their ideas and to debate and exchange information
about subjects that unite them. This idea is mentioned in the
article: “… They will be communities not of common location
but of common interest.” The second aspect is the
interconnected networks. It is clear that Usenet allows for
the mixing and interconnection of subjects. Another aspect
is the decentralized access. In Usenet, anyone can participate
without any centralized control, which resonates with the
vision of an open network stated in the article, allowing
widespread access to information.

For the aspects that have evolved differently, we can
name real-time communication. The vision emphasizes
real-time interaction whereas in Usenet, the concept
focuses on asynchronous posting and probably delayed
responses with no immediate dialogue. There is
also the idea of a very sophisticated interface
like the “Oliver program”, but we can notice that
the Unenet interface is not really user-friendly
and is not really personalizable nor adaptable to
every user. We can also note a difference in terms
of the security and privacy concerns. On one hand,
the envisioned system is well-controlled and respectful of
the environment. On the other hand, Usenet is subject to
various security and privacy issues such as spam and trolling.

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CS234 <cs234@lhmerino.dont-email.me> wrote:

This thread is intended for the students of CS-234: Technologies for democratic society

How does Usenet fit into the vision presented by Licklider and Taylor in
"The Computer as a Communication Device"?

Reflect on:
- Which aspects of their vision are realized through Usenet?
- What aspects have evolved differently from what they imagined?

Feel free to respond to comments made by your classmates as well.

Usenet illustre plusieurs éléments de la vision de Licklider et Taylor dans "The Computer as a
Communication Device".
D'une part, il permet une communication décentralisée grâce à un modèle distribué, ce qui favorise
des échanges sans serveur central. Il encourage également le partage d'idées et la collaboration,
facilitant les discussions sur une grande variété de sujets. De plus, la diversité des newsgroups
sur Usenet correspond à leur aspiration d'un accès à des centres d'intérêt variés.
Cependant, certains aspects évoluent différemment. L'interface textuelle de Usenet peut sembler peu
conviviale, rendant son utilisation moins accessible. Contrairement à leur vision d'un dialogue en
temps réel, Usenet fonctionne de manière asynchrone, ce qui peut ralentir les échanges. Enfin, les
défis liés à la modération du contenu, comme le spam, n'étaient pas entièrement prévus.

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CS234 <cs234@lhmerino.dont-email.me> wrote:

This thread is intended for the students of CS-234: Technologies for democratic society

How does Usenet fit into the vision presented by Licklider and Taylor in
"The Computer as a Communication Device"?

Reflect on:
- Which aspects of their vision are realized through Usenet?
- What aspects have evolved differently from what they imagined?

Feel free to respond to comments made by your classmates as well

paresseux <paresseux888.eternal-september.org> wrote:
(I hope i'm doing this the right way)

I think that usenet is defenitly something that at least in someway fits into Licklider's vision.
Because people here can connect with that have the same interest as them. Communities don't have to be only based on location anymore.

In "A Theory of the Democratic Process", it is said that
"The demos must have the exclusive opportunity to decide how matters are to be placed on the agenda
of matters that are to be decided by means of the democratic process." (page 113)
But on usenet there are groups that have moderators that have all the power. That means that it is not a democraty.

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CS234 <cs234@lhmerino.dont-email.me> wrote:

This thread is intended for the students of CS-234: Technologies for democratic society

How does Usenet fit into the vision presented by Licklider and Taylor in
"The Computer as a Communication Device"?

Reflect on:
- Which aspects of their vision are realized through Usenet?
- What aspects have evolved differently from what they imagined?

Feel free to respond to comments made by your classmates as well.

paresseux <paresseux888.dont-email.me> wrote:
(I hope i'm doing this the right way (attempt 6)

I think that usenet is defenitly something that at least in someway fits into Licklider's vision.
Because people here can connect with that have the same interest as them. Communities don't have to be only based on location anymore.

In "A Theory of the Democratic Process", it is said that
"The demos must have the exclusive opportunity to decide how matters are to be placed on the agenda
of matters that are to be decided by means of the democratic process." (page 113)
But on usenet there are groups that have moderators that have all the power. That means that it is not a democraty.

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CS234 <cs234@lhmerino.dont-email.me> wrote:

This thread is intended for the students of CS-234: Technologies for

democratic society

How does Usenet fit into the vision presented by Licklider and Taylor in
"The Computer as a Communication Device"?

Reflect on:
- Which aspects of their vision are realized through Usenet?
- What aspects have evolved differently from what they imagined?

Feel free to respond to comments made by your classmates as well.

In their paper "The Computer as a Communication Device" Licklider and
Taylor focus on how computers should be used to facilitate communication
and collaboration by enabling acces to vast resources and creating online
communities based on shared interest rather than geograpihcal location.
They want to create a platform where there is an interactive, creative communication, one that enriches everyone involved. Usenet embodies this
by enabling global communication through decentralized discussion forums. Usenet aligns with their vision in the sense that it is an open community accessible to all,even people with economic restraints.
There is no central authority who controls the content
or the acces. Another plus is that, Licklider and Taylor acknowledged
that collaboration should be able to occur at any time zones and schedules,
Usenet fulfills this through its asynchronous communication.
However, there are aspects of usenet that are different than what was envisioned. For example usenet lacks tools such as facetiming,image sharing which constitute some of the core visions for digital communication of Licklider and Taylor.It is a text based system which is a limited type of communication that isnt as fast as face to face communication or
using images. There is also the fact that usenet doesn't have the best user
interface. What Taylor and Licklider predicted was a more
user-friendly and intuitive platform. While usenet is relatively
difficult to navigate for the average user compared to today's social
media and forums which have more accessible features.
To conclude, at the time usenet as created it as revolutionary and had some
key alignments ith what licklider and taylor envisioned. But as technology moved on, it faded into the background because of some other core ideas (facetiming, instant messaging, filtering) that weren't implemented, as
new technologies emerged.

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CS234 <cs234@lhmerino.dont-email.me> wrote:

This thread is intended for the students of CS-234: Technologies

for democratic society

How does Usenet fit into the vision presented by Licklider and Taylor in
"The Computer as a Communication Device"?

Reflect on:
- Which aspects of their vision are realized through Usenet?
- What aspects have evolved differently from what they imagined?

Feel free to respond to comments made by your classmates as well.

In their paper "The Computer as a Communication Device" Licklider and
Taylor focus on how computers should be used to facilitate communication
and collaboration by enabling acces to vast resources and creating online
communities based on shared interest rather than geograpihcal location.
They want to create a platform where there is an interactive, creative communication, one that enriches everyone involved. Usenet emodies this
by enabling global communication through decentralized discussion forums. Usenet aligns with their vision in the sense that it is an open community accessible to all,even people with economic restraints.
There is no central authority who controls the content
or the acces. Another plus is that, Licklider and Taylor acknowledged
that collaboration should be able to occur at any time zones and schedules,
Usenet fulfills this through its asynchronous communication.
However, there are aspects of usenet that evolved differently than what was envisioned. For example usenet lacks tools such as facetiming,image sharing which constitute some of the core visions for digital communication of Licklider and Taylor.It is a text based system which is a limited type of communication that isnt as fast as face to face communication or
using images. There is also the fact that usenet doesn't have the best user
interface. What Taylor and Licklider predicted was a more
user-friendly and intuitive platform. While usenet is relatively
difficult to navigate for the average user compared to today's social
media and forums which have more accessible features.
Also licklider and taylors vision highlighted a sense of collective
control and moderation by users. Usenet decentralized nature leads to a lack
of moderation that leads to spam, trolling etc.
To conclude, at the time usenet as created it as revolutionary and had some
key alignments ith what licklider and taylor envisioned. But as technology moved on, it faded into the background because of some other core ideas (facetiming, instant messaging, filtering) that weren't implemented, as
new technologies emerged.

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CS234 <cs234@lhmerino.dont-email.me> wrote:

This thread is intended for the students of CS-234: Technologies for

democratic society

How does Usenet fit into the vision presented by Licklider and Taylor in
"The Computer as a Communication Device"?

Reflect on:
- Which aspects of their vision are realized through Usenet?
- What aspects have evolved differently from what they imagined?

Feel free to respond to comments made by your classmates as well.

In their paper "The Computer as a Communication Device" Licklider and
Taylor focus on how computers should be used to facilitate communication
and collaboration by enabling access to vast resources and creating online
communities based on shared interest rather than geographical location.
They want to create a platform where there is an interactive, creative communication, one that enriches everyone involved. Usenet embodies this
by enabling global communication through decentralized discussion forums. Usenet aligns with their vision in the sense that it is an open community accessible to all, even people with economic restraints.
There is no central authority who controls the content
or the access. Another plus is that, Licklider and Taylor acknowledged
that collaboration should be able to occur at any time zones and schedules,
Usenet fullfills this through its asynchronous communication.
However, there are aspects of usenet that are different than what they envisioned. For example usenet lacks tools such as face timing,image sharing which constitute some of the core visions for digital communication of Licklider and Taylor.It is a text based system which is a limited type of communication that isn’t as fast as face to face communication or
using images. There is also the fact that usenet doesn't have the best user
interface. What Taylor and Licklider predicted was a more
user-friendly and intuitive platform. While usenet is relatively
difficult to navigate for the average user compared to today's social
media and forums which have more accessible features.
To conclude, at the time usenet as created it as revolutionary and had some
key alignments with what licklider and taylor envisioned. But as technology moved on, it faded into the background because of some other core ideas
(face timing, instant messaging, filtering) that weren't implemented, as
new technologies emerged.

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CS234 <cs234@lhmerino.dont-email.me> wrote:

This thread is intended for the students of CS-234: Technologies

for democratic society

How does Usenet fit into the vision presented by Licklider and Taylor in
"The Computer as a Communication Device"?

Reflect on:
- Which aspects of their vision are realized through Usenet?
- What aspects have evolved differently from what they imagined?

Feel free to respond to comments made by your classmates as well.

Usenet is the Founding Father of today's social
media and it fit Licklider and Taylor's ideology through
its easy access to a wide range of topic discussions through the newsgroups.
It allows the centralization of communication from anywhere
across the world, fitting the description of "geographically separated
members" able to communicate seamlessly with each other.
However, the rising of more graphically-inclined
and accessible programs such as actual social media platforms fits more Licklider and Taylor's vision of "fast and flexible graphic display" that
was very difficult to produce in their times. Usenet is at the end only
a forum and Licklider and Taylor's hopes for code sharing, remote code execution, permissions controls, etc. wouldn't be fulfilled through Usenet
but by much more recent applications such as GitHub, desktop sharing applications, etc.
But evidently, none of these could've existed without Usenet paving
the way first.

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CS234 <cs234@lhmerino.dont-email.me> wrote:

This thread is intended for the students of CS-234: Technologies for democratic society

How does Usenet fit into the vision presented by Licklider and Taylor in
"The Computer as a Communication Device"?

Reflect on:
- Which aspects of their vision are realized through Usenet?
- What aspects have evolved differently from what they imagined?

Feel free to respond to comments made by your classmates as well.

Usenet was the Founding Father of today's social
media and it fit Licklider and Taylor's ideology through
its easy access to a wide range of topics through the newschannels.
It allows a centralization of communication from anywhere
across the world, fitting the description of "geographically separated members" able to communicate seamlessly to each other.
However, the rising of more graphically-inclined
and accessible programms such as actual social media platforms fits more Licklider and Taylor's vision of "fast and flexible graphic display" that
was very difficult to produce in their times. Usenet is at the end only
a forum and Licklider and Taylor's hopes for code sharing, remote code execution,
permissions controls, etc. wouldn't be fulfilled through Usenet but by
much more recent applications such as GitHub, Desktop sharing, etc.
But evidently, none of these could've existed without Usenet paving the way first.

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CS234 <cs234@lhmerino.dont-email.me> wrote:

This thread is intended for the students of CS-234: Technologies for democratic society

How does Usenet fit into the vision presented by Licklider and Taylor in
"The Computer as a Communication Device"?

Reflect on:
- Which aspects of their vision are realized through Usenet?
- What aspects have evolved differently from what they imagined?

Feel free to respond to comments made by your classmates as well.

According to Licklider and Taylor in "The Computer as a Communication Device", the development of computers would allow people to communicate outside of a face-to-face
interaction by exchanging digital messages. This was the main feature of Usenet, allowing the sharing of information and ideas relatively fast no matter the distance,
which would have taken significantly longer using classical modes of communication.
Furthermore, Licklider and Taylor predicted that this facilitation of communication would create communities based on shared interests rather than geographical proximity.
This is directly seen in Usenet which is organized in a hierarchy of topics to which the user can subscribe, which greatly facilitates discussion and the building of
collaborative knowledge. The authors also mention the direct access to resources through computers, for which Usenet is a great example of since it allowed its users
to share information regarding a topic, that anyone having access to the technology could read, thus promoting collaborative learning.

However, Licklider and Taylor also envisioned features that are not seen in Usenet, such as real-time interaction and communication, whereas Usenet only allowed
asynchronous communication, and users responded whenever they wanted. For the same reasons, collaborative work sessions imagined by the authours were not possible in
Usenet, since it had no real-time features allowing interactive meetings. Another point of their visions that is not reflected in Usenet is the concept of OLIVER,
a personal assistant managing information and tasks on behalf of the user. Usenet didn’t provide any of these features since users had to manually sort through
messages and manage their engagement with newsgroups.

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CS234 <cs234@lhmerino.dont-email.me> wrote:

This thread is intended for the students of CS-234: Technologies for democratic society

How does Usenet fit into the vision presented by Licklider and Taylor in
"The Computer as a Communication Device"?

Reflect on:
- Which aspects of their vision are realized through Usenet?
- What aspects have evolved differently from what they imagined?

Feel free to respond to comments made by your classmates as well.

Usenet represents much of what the authors envisioned for computers as communication tools, especially in how it allowed people to connect and share, on a large scale.
It was a premise and showed the potential for decentralized networks where users could engage in discussions and share ideas from all over the world.
However, it didn't fully live up to the vision they had. Indeed, it struggled with issues such as spam and absence of moderation.
To conclude, Usenet inbodies some aspects of the vision Licklider and Taylor had, it wasn't the interactive and problem solving network they had hoped for.

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CS234 <cs234@lhmerino.dont-email.me> wrote:

This thread is intended for the students of CS-234: Technologies for democratic society

How does Usenet fit into the vision presented by Licklider and Taylor in
"The Computer as a Communication Device"?

Reflect on:
- Which aspects of their vision are realized through Usenet?
- What aspects have evolved differently from what they imagined?

Feel free to respond to comments made by your classmates as well.

This is a repost, I had forgotten to modify the From: header.


Usenet represent much of what the authours envisioned for computers as communication tools, especially in how it allowed
people to connect and share, on a large scale.
It was a premise and showed the potential for decentralized networks where users could engage in discussions and share
ideas from all over the world.
However, it didn't fully live up to the vision they had. Indeed it struggled with isszes such as spam and absence of
moderation.
To conclude, Usenet inbodies some aspects of the vision Licklider and Taylor had, but it wasn't the interactive and
problem solving network they had hoped for.

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CS234 <cs234@lhmerino.dont-email.me> wrote:

This thread is intended for the students of CS-234: Technologies for democratic society

How does Usenet fit into the vision presented by Licklider and Taylor in
"The Computer as a Communication Device"?

Reflect on:
- Which aspects of their vision are realized through Usenet?
- What aspects have evolved differently from what they imagined?

Feel free to respond to comments made by your classmates as well.

Licklider and Taylor envisioned a future where computers would enable people
to collaborate more effectively, sharing ideas and solving problems in a
highly interactive way. Usenet reflects part of this vision by allowing users from all over to engage in discussions, exchange knowledge, and build communities around common interests.

However, Usenet differs from their vision in important ways.
While it facilitates communication, it remains mostly text-based and lacks the interactive,
dynamic tools they anticipated. Instead of real-time collaborative problem-solving,
Usenet focuses more on open conversations and information sharing.

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CS234 <cs234@lhmerino.dont-email.me> wrote:

This thread is intended for the students of CS-234: Technologies for democratic society

How does Usenet fit into the vision presented by Licklider and Taylor in
"The Computer as a Communication Device"?

Reflect on:
- Which aspects of their vision are realized through Usenet?
- What aspects have evolved differently from what they imagined?

Feel free to respond to comments made by your classmates as well.

The two authors Licklider and Taylor did manage to predict some features of Usenet in their book
“The Computer as a Communication Device”, and these are:
- The use of a store-and-forward system service, as users could retrieve articles and content whenever they wanted.
- An early implementation of an experimental network of computers
- The fostering of a digital community geographically distant, but intellectually close.

On the other hand, some of their predictions were also inaccurate: - From the social perspective, they did not foresee the rise of spams and other bad agents, while greatly exaggerating the social
benefits (such as the disappearance of unemployment).
- Furthermore, more interactive communications through images and other dynamic medium were still not possible in
Usenet, so the “cooperative modelling” described in the book will be achieved only later.
- From the technical point of view, the multiaccess systems capabilities (which were allegedly capable of running
programs, managing files, and interacting with remote systems at the same time) were greatly overestimated,
and were not realised with Usenet.
- Finally, from an economical standpoint, the cost of the system was exaggerated.

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CS234 <cs234@lhmerino.dont-email.me> wrote:

This thread is intended for the students of CS-234: Technologies for democratic society

How does Usenet fit into the vision presented by Licklider and Taylor in
"The Computer as a Communication Device"?

Reflect on:
- Which aspects of their vision are realized through Usenet?
- What aspects have evolved differently from what they imagined?

Feel free to respond to comments made by your classmates as well.

Hello,

I think that Usenet reflects parts of Licklider and Taylor's vision.
They imagined computers as tools for people to share ideas and work together, which is similar to how
Usenet allowed people to post and discuss information in online groups.
It created the kind of "online interactive communities" they predicted and thought computers could make possible.

On the other hand, some things turned out differently. Licklider and Taylor pictured computer networks supporting fast,
real-time communication with multimedia, but Usenet was mostly text-based and not as fast.
While Usenet helped people connect and share ideas, things like social media and instant messaging
better matched their idea of rich, fast, and interactive communication. Usenet was a good start, but it didn’t fully capture their vision.

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CS234 <cs234@lhmerino.dont-email.me> wrote:

Reflect on:
- Which aspects of their vision are realized through Usenet?
- What aspects have evolved differently from what they imagined?

Usenet led to the creation of communities based on interests rather than
on geographical proximity. With its forum system opened to everybody, anyone can
easily browse the categories and reach those that interest them.
It also allowed people to connect together and bring all their knowledge in
one place which makes learning more efficient and thus people become more productive.

Usenet didn't allow unemployment to disappear, despite it's potential to bring together
employers and employees from all places. Technologies even tends, sometimes,
to replace human workers.
Licklider and Taylor also didn't imagine that connecting people through the computers
may lead to some use of the technology for selfish interests such as advertising
massivly which deteriorate the other user's experience.

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CS234 <cs234@lhmerino.dont-email.me> wrote:

This thread is intended for the students of CS-234: Technologies for democratic society

How does Usenet fit into the vision presented by Licklider and Taylor in
"The Computer as a Communication Device"?

Reflect on:
- Which aspects of their vision are realized through Usenet?
- What aspects have evolved differently from what they imagined?

Feel free to respond to comments made by your classmates as well.

Licklider and Taylor envisioned a future where computers enable interactive, collaborative communication.
In my opinion, Usenet aligns with this vision in several ways :
It serves as a platform for widespread, decentralized communication, allowing users from all over the world to share information in real-time.
However, some aspects have evolved differently.For instance, Usenet lacks some of the user-friendly interfaces and instant feedback mechanisms
that modern social media platforms provide.
Overall, Usenet was an early step toward fulfilling their vision, but today’s tools like video conferencing and collaborative
platforms are more aligned with their dream of seamless, real-time interaction.

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CS234 <cs234@lhmerino.dont-email.me> wrote:

How does Usenet fit into the vision presented by Licklider and Taylor in
"The Computer as a Communication Device"?

Reflect on:
- Which aspects of their vision are realized through Usenet?
- What aspects have evolved differently from what they imagined?

Usenet led to the creation of communities based on interests rather than on geographical proximity, with its forum system opened to everybody, anyone can easily browse the categories and reach those that interest them.
It also allowed people to connect together and bring all their knowledge in
one place which makes learning more efficient and thus people become more productive.

Usenet didn't allow unemployment to disappear, despite it's potential to
bring together employer and employee from all places. Technologies even
tend, sometimes, to replace human workers.
Licklider and Taylor also didn't imagine that connecting people through the computers may lead to some use of the technology for selfish interests such
as advertising massivly which deteriorates the other user's experience.

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CS234 <cs234@lhmerino.dont-email.me> wrote:

This thread is intended for the students of CS-234: Technologies for democratic society

How does Usenet fit into the vision presented by Licklider and Taylor in
"The Computer as a Communication Device"?

Reflect on:
- Which aspects of their vision are realized through Usenet?
- What aspects have evolved differently from what they imagined?

Feel free to respond to comments made by your classmates as well.

Licklider and Taylor’s vision in “The Computer as a Communication Device” imagined computers as tools that would revolutionize human
communication, allowing individuals to collaborate and share knowledge in an open and interactive environment. Usenet, launched in
1980, realized this vision to an extent by offering a decentralized platform where individuals could post messages and engage in
discussions across a wide variety of topics. It allowed users to contribute to discussions without relying on a central authority,
fostering the exchange of ideas in a free-flowing, open-ended manner.
This decentralization was key to Usenet’s success, as it empowered users to engage in self-directed conversations, creating
communities around shared interests. The ability for anyone to start or join a discussion on virtually any topic reflected Licklide
r and Taylor’s idea of creating a network where intellectual resources were openly accessible.
However, a key divergence from their vision lay in the challenges Usenet faced, particularly in terms of spam and poor moderation.
Licklider and Taylor imagined an idealized environment where intellectual cooperation flourished seamlessly. They did not foresee
the issues of managing large, open communities or the rise of low-quality content that overwhelmed genuine discussions on Usenet.
As the platform grew, spam became rampant, and maintaining constructive dialogue became increasingly difficult without effective
moderation tools. This lack of quality control undermined the intellectual collaboration they envisioned, as it became harder for
users to sift through irrelevant or harmful content.

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CS234 <cs234@lhmerino.dont-email.me> wrote:

This thread is intended for the students of CS-234: Technologies for democratic society

How does Usenet fit into the vision presented by Licklider and Taylor in
"The Computer as a Communication Device"?

Reflect on:
- Which aspects of their vision are realized through Usenet?
- What aspects have evolved differently from what they imagined?

Feel free to respond to comments made by your classmates as well.

Hello,

One of the key points of the text is that group interactions will become more efficient thanks to computers and that, as these technologies advance, they will facilitate human communication. Usenet allowed individuals with similar interests but living in
different places on earth to share knowledge without having to meet in person. As a result, knowledge was shared more quickly and more constructively. In addition, these discussions reduced our dependence on authorities, granting us greater freedom.

Both authors had not anticipated such rapid development, believing in a slow progression where technology would cause problems, rather than a dynamic and unpredictable evolution.

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CS234 <cs234@lhmerino.dont-email.me> wrote:

This thread is intended for the students of CS-234: Technologies for democratic society

How does Usenet fit into the vision presented by Licklider and Taylor in
"The Computer as a Communication Device"?

Reflect on:
- Which aspects of their vision are realized through Usenet?
- What aspects have evolved differently from what they imagined?

Answer:

Usenet essentially puts into practice Licklider and Taylor's vision of computer-mediated communication, allowing users to share information
across vast distances. The newsgroups create topic-based interactive communities, mirroring the authors' prediction of "online interactive communities" with geographically dispersed members. The platform
facilitated information sharing through its message posting and access
system, embodying the authors' concept of computers as tools for
knowledge dissemination. Usenet's store-and-forward model enabled
asynchronous discussions, which strongly reflects Licklider and Taylor's idea of
communication systems that do not require simultaneous user availability.
Its distributed network with no central authority resonates with their
vision of a decentralised communication system. All of that said, the
platform laid important groundwork for subsequent developments in online communication.
Thank you!

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CS234 <cs234@lhmerino.dont-email.me> wrote:

This thread is intended for the students of CS-234: Technologies for democratic society

How does Usenet fit into the vision presented by Licklider and Taylor in
"The Computer as a Communication Device"?

Reflect on:
- Which aspects of their vision are realized through Usenet?
- What aspects have evolved differently from what they imagined?

Feel free to respond to comments made by your classmates as well.

Usenet aligns with Licklider and Taylor’s vision by enabling global communication and knowledge exchange
through a decentralized network of users, reflecting their idea of “The Computer as a Communication Device.”
It brought people together in virtual communities, realizing their dream of interconnected systems for collaborative work.
However, their vision evolved differently with the rise of centralized platforms like social media,
which shifted from open, user-driven networks to more controlled environments. While Usenet fostered public discussions,
today’s communication systems focus more on personalization and algorithms, diverging from the original emphasis on decentralized, open, and egalitarian information sharing.

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CS234 <cs234@lhmerino.dont-email.me> wrote:

This thread is intended for the students of CS-234: Technologies for democratic society

How does Usenet fit into the vision presented by Licklider and Taylor in
"The Computer as a Communication Device"?

Reflect on:
- Which aspects of their vision are realized through Usenet?
- What aspects have evolved differently from what they imagined?

Feel free to respond to comments made by your classmates as well.

Usenet fits into Licklider and Taylo's vision by allowing people
from anywhere in the world. It supports their idea that computers can help people connect and collaborate without being face-to-face. However, Usenet doesn't fully match their vision because they imagined computers doing more than just allowing discussions. They thought computers would help people actively
solve problems, work together in real time, and build new ideas. Usenet, while useful for sharing information, is more of a basic discussion platform and lacks
those advanced features.

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CS234 <cs234@lhmerino.dont-email.me> wrote:

This thread is intended for the students of CS-234: Technologies for democratic society

How does Usenet fit into the vision presented by Licklider and Taylor in
"The Computer as a Communication Device"?

Reflect on:
- Which aspects of their vision are realized through Usenet?
- What aspects have evolved differently from what they imagined?

Feel free to respond to comments made by your classmates as well.

Usenet fits into Licklider and Taylo's vision by allowing people
from anywhere in the world. It supports their idea that computers can help people connect and collaborate without being face-to-face. However, Usenet doesn't fully match their vision because they imagined computers doing more than just allowing discussions. They thought computers would help people actively
solve problems, work together in real time, and build new ideas. Usenet, while useful for sharing information, is more a basic discussion platform and lacks those
advanced interactive features.

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CS234 <cs234@lhmerino.dont-email.me> wrote:

This thread is intended for the students of CS-234: Technologies for democratic society

How does Usenet fit into the vision presented by Licklider and Taylor in
"The Computer as a Communication Device"?

Reflect on:
- Which aspects of their vision are realized through Usenet?
- What aspects have evolved differently from what they imagined?

Feel free to respond to comments made by your classmates as well.

Computers, for Licklider and Taylor, were not seen as ordinary tools, but rather as revolutionary devices that could be used for enhancing human interactions, communication and collaboration.
Usenet goes in that way by permitting its users to share whatever they want without being limited by distance, hence creating borderless communities and connecting people through this mean.

Some aspects differed from the vision they had thought of, indeed Licklider and Taylor both envisioned more interactive and deeper ways to connect people than only text-based communications.
Today, social media or apps like WhatsApp and Telegram both embody in a better way their vision. Usenet was indeed a necessary step to achieve computer based communication.

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CS234 <cs234@lhmerino.dont-email.me> wrote:

This thread is intended for the students of CS-234: Technologies for democratic society

How does Usenet fit into the vision presented by Licklider and Taylor in
"The Computer as a Communication Device"?

Reflect on:
- Which aspects of their vision are realized through Usenet?
- What aspects have evolved differently from what they imagined?

Feel free to respond to comments made by your classmates as well.

Ismail Hammami <ismail.eternal-september.org>

Hi, Usenet embodies Licklider and Taylor's vision by promoting decentralized communication and facilitating
global interaction through text-based discussions. Their concept of computers as information-sharing tools
is reflected in Usenet’s newsgroups, where users collaborate and exchange knowledge on diverse topics.
However, they envisioned a more user-friendly and cohesive system, while Usenet's interface can be complex and
outdated, making it less accessible for casual users. Furthermore, their idea of seamless multimedia communication
has diverged, as Usenet primarily supports text and binary files whereas modern platforms focus on rich multimedia
content and more intuitive user interfaces.

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CS234 <cs234@lhmerino.dont-email.me> wrote:

This thread is intended for the students of CS-234: Technologies for democratic society

How does Usenet fit into the vision presented by Licklider and Taylor in
"The Computer as a Communication Device"?

Reflect on:
- Which aspects of their vision are realized through Usenet?
- What aspects have evolved differently from what they imagined?

Feel free to respond to comments made by your classmates as well.

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CS234 <cs234@lhmerino.dont-email.me> wrote:

This thread is intended for the students of CS-234: Technologies for democratic society

How does Usenet fit into the vision presented by Licklider and Taylor in
"The Computer as a Communication Device"?

Reflect on:
- Which aspects of their vision are realized through Usenet?
- What aspects have evolved differently from what they imagined?

Feel free to respond to comments made by your classmates as well.

hii

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root <root@255.255.255.255> wrote:

CS234 <cs234@lhmerino.dont-email.me> wrote:

This thread is intended for the students of CS-234: Technologies for democratic society

How does Usenet fit into the vision presented by Licklider and Taylor in >>> "The Computer as a Communication Device"?

Reflect on:
- Which aspects of their vision are realized through Usenet?
- What aspects have evolved differently from what they imagined?

Feel free to respond to comments made by your classmates as well.

Hi, Usenet embodies Licklider and Taylor's vision by promoting decentralized communication and facilitating
global interaction through text-based discussions. Their concept of computers as information-sharing tools
is reflected in Usenet’s newsgroups, where users collaborate and exchange knowledge on diverse topics.
However, they envisioned a more user-friendly and cohesive system, while Usenet's interface can be complex and
outdated, making it less accessible for casual users. Furthermore, their idea of seamless multimedia communication
has diverged, as Usenet primarily supports text and binary files whereas modern platforms focus on rich multimedia
content and more intuitive user interfaces.

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root <root@255.255.255.255> wrote:

CS234 <cs234@lhmerino.dont-email.me> wrote:

This thread is intended for the students of CS-234: Technologies for democratic society

How does Usenet fit into the vision presented by Licklider and Taylor in >>> "The Computer as a Communication Device"?

Reflect on:
- Which aspects of their vision are realized through Usenet?
- What aspects have evolved differently from what they imagined?

Feel free to respond to comments made by your classmates as well.

Hi, Usenet embodies Licklider and Taylor's vision by promoting decentralized communication and facilitating
global interaction through text-based discussions. Their concept of computers as information-sharing tools
is reflected in Usenet’s newsgroups, where users collaborate and exchange knowledge on diverse topics.
However, they envisioned a more user-friendly and cohesive system, while Usenet's interface can be complex and
outdated, making it less accessible for casual users. Furthermore, their idea of seamless multimedia communication
has diverged, as Usenet primarily supports text and binary files whereas modern platforms focus on rich multimedia
content and more intuitive user interfaces.

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CS234 <cs234@lhmerino.dont-email.me> wrote:

This thread is intended for the students of CS-234: Technologies for democratic society

How does Usenet fit into the vision presented by Licklider and Taylor in
"The Computer as a Communication Device"?
Usenet, created in 1979, fits well with the vision presented by JCR Licklider and Robert Taylor presented in their paper.

Usenet allowed people from all over the world to communicate via these forums and created a wide online community in order to communicate
on a variety of subjects, working towards global communication and forming communities via these forums.
Usenet also decentralized knowledge and that aligns well with Licklider and Taylor's ideas in the process of democratizing knowledge by offering a
platform where anyone could contribute and get to learn about various subjects wherever they came from.
It was also used as a tool of problem solving just as Licklider and Taylor saw a human-computer collaboration that enhanced the human's
job and daily life, same goes for usenet as any problem could be solved with the help of the community that was asked a question regarding
any special matter and that was one point of the vision that Licklider and Taylor embodied in their 1968 paper.
Usenet brought to life many aspects of Licklider and Taylor’s vision by fostering global communication, it was one of the first large-scale systems to
demonstrate the transformative power of computer-mediated communication, aligning with their belief in the computer as a tool for interactive,
networked communities.
On the other hand, there are also aspects that have evolved in another way that was exactly what Licklider and Taylor envisioned in their paper.
One might say that the commercialization of the internet is one of the aspect that both writers did not predict in their paper. As they saw in the
internet a more public space that was oriented by the communities that used it on a daily basis rather than a commercialy oriented way.
Usenet started in this spirit, but over time, the internet evolved into a highly commercialized space, dominated by corporate interests and advertising.
They also envisioned a decentralized, egalitarian network where knowledge and information were freely exchanged.
While Usenet was decentralized and open, much of the modern internet has become highly centralized.
Major tech companies like Google, Facebook, and Amazon now control large portions of the web’s infrastructure, services, and data.
Usenet and early internet platforms like it embodied much of Licklider and Taylor’s vision, the internet has evolved in ways that they did not predict.
The rise of commercialism and centralization has shifted the focus from their original ideals.
Despite these deviations, their core vision of using computers as communication devices has profoundly shaped the modern internet.

Reflect on:
- Which aspects of their vision are realized through Usenet?
- What aspects have evolved differently from what they imagined?

Feel free to respond to comments made by your classmates as well.

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CS234 <cs234@lhmerino.dont-email.me> wrote:

This thread is intended for the students of CS-234: Technologies for democratic society

How does Usenet fit into the vision presented by Licklider and Taylor in
"The Computer as a Communication Device"?

Reflect on:
- Which aspects of their vision are realized through Usenet?
- What aspects have evolved differently from what they imagined?

Feel free to respond to comments made by your classmates as well.

Licklider and Taylor did not see computers as ordinary tools. Instead, they viewed them as revolutionary devices that could enhance human interaction, communication, and collaboration. Usenet aligns with this vision by permitting its users to share
whatever they want without being limited by distance, hence creating borderless communities and connecting people through this means.

Some aspects differed from their envisioned future. Indeed Licklider and Taylor both thought of more interactive and deeper ways to connect people than only text-based communications. Today, social media or apps like WhatsApp and Telegram both embody in
a better way their vision. Usenet was indeed a necessary step to achieve computer based communication.

Sorry for the reposts

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CS234 <cs234@lhmerino.dont-email.me> wrote:

This thread is intended for the students of CS-234: Technologies for democratic society

How does Usenet fit into the vision presented by Licklider and Taylor in
"The Computer as a Communication Device"?

Reflect on:
- Which aspects of their vision are realized through Usenet?
- What aspects have evolved differently from what they imagined?

Feel free to respond to comments made by your classmates as well.

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CS234 <cs234@lhmerino.dont-email.me> wrote:

This thread is intended for the students of CS-234: Technologies for democratic society

How does Usenet fit into the vision presented by Licklider and Taylor in
"The Computer as a Communication Device"?

Reflect on:
- Which aspects of their vision are realized through Usenet?
- What aspects have evolved differently from what they imagined?

Feel free to respond to comments made by your classmates as well.

This is exactly what they wanted: we share files or texts and everyone can see them.
Everyone can create something on their own computer and send it to everyone else.
We're like a neural network where everyone can contribute to a work and everyone can see the contributions of others.
We can - as Licklider and Taylor said - work much more efficiently than face-to-face,
since everyone can contribute to the work at the same time.
We can also draw parallels between usenet and Licklider and Taylor's thinking on the vision of the conference.
They said that each participant should save his or her work on a platform so that on the day of the presentation,
the presenter could display their work directly thanks to the downloads they had made earlier.

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CS234 <cs234@lhmerino.dont-email.me> wrote:

This thread is intended for the students of CS-234: Technologies for democratic society

How does Usenet fit into the vision presented by Licklider and Taylor in
"The Computer as a Communication Device"?

Reflect on:
- Which aspects of their vision are realized through Usenet?
- What aspects have evolved differently from what they imagined?

Feel free to respond to comments made by your classmates as well.

Answer :
Usenet aligns with several aspects of the vision outlined in "The Computer as a Communication Device", such as global connectivity, decentralized authority, and the freedom of expression without
requiring users to reveal their identity. It provided a platform for people to communicate and share knowledge across distances while maintaining their anonymity.
However, despite Usenet's alignment with many parts of the vision, it falls for some like real-time communication and interactive collaboration. Early pioneers imagined that computers
would enable real time interaction between individuals across the globe and offers tools for collaborative work.
Usenet was a great invention that aligns with the great majority of the vision aspects.

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CS234 <cs234@lhmerino.dont-email.me> wrote:

This thread is intended for the students of CS-234: Technologies for democratic society

How does Usenet fit into the vision presented by Licklider and Taylor in
"The Computer as a Communication Device"?

Reflect on:
- Which aspects of their vision are realized through Usenet?
- What aspects have evolved differently from what they imagined?

Feel free to respond to comments made by your classmates as well.

Licklider and Taylor did not see computers as ordinary tools.
Instead, they viewed them as revolutionary devices that could enhance
human interaction, communication, and collaboration.
Usenet aligns with this vision by permitting its users to share whatever they want
without being limited by distance, hence creating borderless communities
and connecting people through this means.

Some aspects differed from their envisioned future.
Indeed Licklider and Taylor both thought of more interactive and
deeper ways to connect people than only text-based communications.
Today, social media or apps like WhatsApp and Fiber
both embody in a better way their vision.
Usenet was indeed a necessary step to achieve computer based communication.

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CS234 <cs234@lhmerino.dont-email.me> wrote:

This thread is intended for the students of CS-234: Technologies for democratic society

How does Usenet fit into the vision presented by Licklider and Taylor in
"The Computer as a Communication Device"?

Reflect on:
- Which aspects of their vision are realized through Usenet?
- What aspects have evolved differently from what they imagined?

Feel free to respond to comments made by your classmates as well.

Usenet fits into the vision presented by Licklider and Taylor in the sense that they had envisioned
computers as means to facilitate communication between people that share common interests, regardless
of the distances that seperate them. This vision is realized by Usenet, notibly by allowing users from
various geographical locations to collectively share knowledge.

The most obvious aspect of Usenet that diverges slightly from Licklider and Taylor's vision is probably
the concept of real-time interaction. While this would technically be possible through the platform,
Usenet lacks the fluidity of a real time face to face conversation, and rather acts as more of an
asynchronous platform, in which messages are posted and responded over time. I feel that it is important to
note that, while this immediaty of conversation perhaps lacks, the collaboration aspect that they envisioned
is certainly present within the Usenet system. :)

I am writing this message for the third time because the "From:" does not seem to work as specififed in the step 14.b

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CS234 <cs234@lhmerino.dont-email.me> wrote:

This thread is intended for the students of CS-234: Technologies for democratic society

How does Usenet fit into the vision presented by Licklider and Taylor in
"The Computer as a Communication Device"?

Reflect on:
- Which aspects of their vision are realized through Usenet?
- What aspects have evolved differently from what they imagined?

Feel free to respond to comments made by your classmates as well.

Usenet fits into the vision presented by Licklider and Taylor in the sense that they had envisioned
computers as means to facilitate communication between people that share common interests, regardless
of the distances that seperate them. This vision is realized by Usenet, notibly by allowing users from
various geographical locations to collectively share knowledge.

The most obvious aspect of Usenet that diverges slightly from Licklider and Taylor's vision is probably
the concept of real-time interaction. While this would technically be possible through the platform,
Usenet lacks the fluidity of a real time face to face conversation, and rather acts as more of an
asynchronous platform, in which messages are posted and responded over time. I feel that it is important to
note that, while this immediaty of conversation perhaps lacks, the collaboration aspect that they envisioned
is certainly present within the Usenet system. :)

Note that I am rewriting this message because my original one in post #43 did not contain the correct From: field,
as specified in step 14.d!!

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CS234 <cs234@lhmerino.dont-email.me> wrote:

This thread is intended for the students of CS-234: Technologies for democratic society

How does Usenet fit into the vision presented by Licklider and Taylor in
"The Computer as a Communication Device"?

Reflect on:
- Which aspects of their vision are realized through Usenet?
- What aspects have evolved differently from what they imagined?
Hello my name is Youssef Torgeman and i believe that usenet reflects Licklider and Taylor’s

vision in “The Computer as a Communication Device” by fostering decentralized, open communication and collaborative information exchange.
Usenet allowed geographically distributed users to engage in discussions on various topics,
aligning with their idea of computers as tools for interaction and shared learning.
However, unlike the idealized vision, Usenet’s evolution included challenges like spam, a lack of moderation,
and less focus on user-friendliness. While it fulfilled their dream of connecting people and promoting dialogue,
some of the messier aspects of large-scale, decentralized communication were not fully anticipated.

Feel free to respond to comments made by your classmates as well.

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CS234 <cs234@lhmerino.dont-email.me> wrote:

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How does Usenet fit into the vision presented by Licklider and Taylor in
"The Computer as a Communication Device"?

Reflect on:
- Which aspects of their vision are realized through Usenet?
- What aspects have evolved differently from what they imagined?

Feel free to respond to comments made by your classmates as well.

Usenet fits in with the vision presented by Licklider and Taylor,
as it allows to share news/discoveries on a variety
of subjects, and also gives people the opportunity
to react to these posts. This allows the international
community to share its knowledge and opinions about
their interests.
However, there are some aspects that differ from what
they imagined. Access to Usenet wasn't universal, because
it still cost money to use (access wasn't egalitarian) .
Moreover, the quality of communication was not always optimal,
due to fake news and spam.
However, information sharing was greatly facilitated
by computers (especially via Usenet), as predicted
by Licklider and Taylor.

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CS234 <cs234@lhmerino.dont-email.me> wrote:

This thread is intended for the students of CS-234: Technologies for democratic society

How does Usenet fit into the vision presented by Licklider and Taylor in
"The Computer as a Communication Device"?

Reflect on:
- Which aspects of their vision are realized through Usenet?
- What aspects have evolved differently from what they imagined?
Hello, my name is Youssef Torgeman and i believe that usenet reflects Licklider and Taylor’s vision in “The Computer as a Communication Device”

by fostering decentralized, open communication and collaborative information exchange.
Usenet allowed geographically distributed users to engage in discussions on various topics,
aligning with their idea of computers as tools for interaction and shared learning.
However, unlike the idealized vision, Usenet’s evolution included challenges like spam, a lack of moderation,
and less focus on user-friendliness. While it fulfilled their dream of connecting people and promoting dialogue, some of
the messier aspects of large-scale, decentralized communication were not fully anticipated.

Feel free to respond to comments made by your classmates as well.

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CS234 <cs234@lhmerino.dont-email.me> wrote:

This thread is intended for the students of CS-234: Technologies for democratic society

How does Usenet fit into the vision presented by Licklider and Taylor in
"The Computer as a Communication Device"?

Reflect on:
- Which aspects of their vision are realized through Usenet?
- What aspects have evolved differently from what they imagined?

Feel free to respond to comments made by your classmates as well.

testing :)

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CS234 <cs234@lhmerino.dont-email.me> wrote:

This thread is intended for the students of CS-234: Technologies for democratic society

How does Usenet fit into the vision presented by Licklider and Taylor in
"The Computer as a Communication Device"?

Reflect on:
- Which aspects of their vision are realized through Usenet?
- What aspects have evolved differently from what they imagined?

Feel free to respond to comments made by your classmates as well.

Usenet fits Licklider and Taylor's vision by allowing people all over
the globe to communicate, share information, discuss their ideas and
communicate. However, the systems they imagined were non text-based and
in real-time, which is not the case for Usenet. Indeed, they imagined
more interactive, multimedia, and user-friendly communication tools.

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CS234 <cs234@lhmerino.dont-email.me> wrote:

This thread is intended for the students of CS-234: Technologies for democratic society

How does Usenet fit into the vision presented by Licklider and Taylor in
"The Computer as a Communication Device"?

Reflect on:
- Which aspects of their vision are realized through Usenet?
- What aspects have evolved differently from what they imagined?

Feel free to respond to comments made by your classmates as well.

The vision of "the development of interactive communities of geographically separated people" was developed through usenet as many peop>
People are brought together and exchange with each other all over the world on specific topics.
However, the graphical aspect of communication was imagined differently as they saw a more developed graphical interface and not only t>
based like it is the case in usenet. Furthermore the real time communication was not realised through usenet as people first had to
first a message then send it to everyone. The communication is not immidiate like what was imagined by Licklider and Taylor.

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CS234 <cs234@lhmerino.dont-email.me> wrote:

This thread is intended for the students of CS-234: Technologies for

democratic society

How does Usenet fit into the vision presented by Licklider and Taylor in
"The Computer as a Communication Device"?

Reflect on:
- Which aspects of their vision are realized through Usenet?
- What aspects have evolved differently from what they imagined?

Feel free to respond to comments made by your classmates as well.

The concept of Usenet reflects the vision of Licklider and Taylor towards
computers improving human interaction. It enabled individuals to come
together and exchange thoughts, creating decentralized groups similar to the
"online interactive communities" they had envisioned. Usenet discussion
groups promoted teamwork, sharing of ideas, and spreading of information,
showcasing their view of computers as communication tools rather than just
for calculation. Nevertheless, Usenet mainly facilitated asynchronous
communication, contrasting with their emphasis on interactive communication
in real time. Moreover, although they anticipated a more interconnected and
multimedia-focused network, Usenet still primarily consisted of text and was
not as expansive as the modern internet, which has advanced with more
advanced platforms, media, and immediate connections.

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CS234 <cs234@lhmerino.dont-email.me> wrote:

This thread is intended for the students of CS-234: Technologies for democratic society

How does Usenet fit into the vision presented by Licklider and Taylor in
"The Computer as a Communication Device"?

Reflect on:
- Which aspects of their vision are realized through Usenet?
- What aspects have evolved differently from what they imagined?

Feel free to respond to comments made by your classmates as well

Usenet is a global, decentralized network of discussion forums that has been around since the early days of the internet. It consists of thousands of newsgroups covering a vast range of topics, from technical discussions to niche hobbies. Usenet operates
on a unique model where users can post messages and respond to others, creating an extensive archive of conversations. Its usefulness lies in its ability to facilitate in-depth discussions and community building around specific interests. Despite the
rise of social media and modern forums, Usenet remains valuable for those seeking detailed information, archived content, and a sense of continuity in online discussions. Additionally, its open nature encourages free expression and sharing of ideas,
making it a treasure trove for researchers and enthusiasts alike.

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CS234 <cs234@lhmerino.dont-email.me> wrote:

This thread is intended for the students of CS-234: Technologies for democratic society

How does Usenet fit into the vision presented by Licklider and Taylor in
"The Computer as a Communication Device"?

Reflect on:
- Which aspects of their vision are realized through Usenet?
- What aspects have evolved differently from what they imagined?

Feel free to respond to comments made by your classmates as well

Usenet fits Licklider and Taylor's vision by allowing people all over the globe
to communicate, share information, discuss their ideas and communicate.
However, the systems they imagined were non text-based and in real-time,
which is not the case for Usenet. Indeed, they imagined more interactive,
multimedia, and user-friendly communication tools.

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CS234 <cs234@lhmerino.dont-email.me> wrote:

This thread is intended for the students of CS-234: Technologies for democratic society

How does Usenet fit into the vision presented by Licklider and Taylor in
"The Computer as a Communication Device"?

Reflect on:
- Which aspects of their vision are realized through Usenet?
- What aspects have evolved differently from what they imagined?

Feel free to respond to comments made by your classmates as well.

Usenet is a global, decentralized network of discussion forums that has been around since the early days of the internet. It consists of thousands of newsgroups covering a vast range of topics, from technical discussions to niche hobbies. Usenet operates
on a unique model where users can post messages and respond to others, creating an extensive archive of conversations. Its usefulness lies in its ability to facilitate in-depth discussions and community building around specific interests. Despite the
rise of social media and modern forums, Usenet remains valuable for those seeking detailed information, archived content, and a sense of continuity in online discussions. Additionally, its open nature encourages free expression and sharing of ideas,
making it a treasure trove for researchers and enthusiasts alike.

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CS234 <cs234@lhmerino.dont-email.me> wrote:

This thread is intended for the students of CS-234: Technologies for democratic society

How does Usenet fit into the vision presented by Licklider and Taylor in
"The Computer as a Communication Device"?

Reflect on:
- Which aspects of their vision are realized through Usenet?
- What aspects have evolved differently from what they imagined?

Feel free to respond to comments made by your classmates as well.

Usenet fits into the vision presented by Licklider and Taylor in the sense that they had envisioned
computers as means to facilitate communication between people that share common interests, regardless
of the distances that seperate them. This vision is realized by Usenet, notibly by allowing users from
various geographical locations to collectively share knowledge.

The most obvious aspect of Usenet that diverges slightly from Licklider and Taylor's vision is probably
the concept of real-time interaction. While this would technically be possible through the platform,
Usenet lacks the fluidity of a real time face to face conversation, and rather acts as more of an
asynchronous platform, in which messages are posted and responded over time. I feel that it is important to
note that, while this immediaty of conversation perhaps lacks, the collaboration aspect that they envisioned
is certainly present within the Usenet system. :)

This is the 4th time i am writing this to get the From: field correct.

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CS234 <cs234@lhmerino.dont-email.me> wrote:

This thread is intended for the students of CS-234:

Technologies for democratic society

How does Usenet fit into the vision presented by Licklider and Taylor in
"The Computer as a Communication Device"?

Reflect on:
- Which aspects of their vision are realized through Usenet?
- What aspects have evolved differently from what they imagined?

Feel free to respond to comments made by your classmates as well.

Usenet fit into the vision presented by Licklider and Taylor because
it is a discussion plateform that gives users the possibility to
express their ideas. Everyone can discuss on a subject that he knows.
Moreover, users can interact with each over and it fits with the
vision presented by Licklider and Taylor.
But, the limits are that there is no moderation so anyone can write what
he wants on whatever post he wants. Some fake news can be written
on any post and people can misunderstand informations. It is also
not as collaborative as Licklider and Taylor describe it.

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CS234 <cs234@lhmerino.dont-email.me> wrote:

This thread is intended for the students of CS-234: Technologies for democratic society

How does Usenet fit into the vision presented by Licklider and Taylor in
"The Computer as a Communication Device"?

Reflect on:
- Which aspects of their vision are realized through Usenet?
- What aspects have evolved differently from what they imagined?

Feel free to respond to comments made by your classmates as well.

Licklider and Taylor envisioned a network where computers would facilitate human communication
and collaboration. Usenet aligns well with this vision through its decentralized structure, allowing
users to share information and participate in discussions without relying on a central server. It also
fosters online communities, where people exchange ideas and knowledge across various discussion
groups. However, Licklider and Taylor did not foresee aspects like content moderation or the
complex social dynamics that have emerged on platforms like Usenet.

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CS234 <cs234@lhmerino.dont-email.me> wrote:

This thread is intended for the students of CS-234: Technologies for democratic society

How does Usenet fit into the vision presented by Licklider and Taylor in
"The Computer as a Communication Device"?

Reflect on:
- Which aspects of their vision are realized through Usenet?
- What aspects have evolved differently from what they imagined?

Feel free to respond to comments made by your classmates as well.

Usenet aligns with how Licklider and Taylor thought about:
- Enabling geographically separate people to communicate and form communities
- Providing a platform for many-to-many communication and collaborative discussion beyond
one-to-one or broadcast models.
- Allowing for asynchronous participation, giving users flexibility in when they engage
- Creating a shared information space where knowledge can be collectively developed

However, Usenet differs from Licklider and Taylor’s their vision in some major ways:
- Lacks the rich interactive capabilities they imagined, like shared screens and models.
because Usenet is primarily text-based.
- The lack of moderation tools led to issues with misinformation/spam which resulted in
communities not being as cohesive or effective
- It did not become as ubiquitous or integrated into daily work/life as they predicted

Overall, Usenet was an important early step toward realizing the potential of computer
communication, but was not the full vision imagined by either thinkers.

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CS234 <cs234@lhmerino.dont-email.me> wrote:

This thread is intended for the students of CS-234: Technologies for democratic society

How does Usenet fit into the vision presented by Licklider and Taylor in
"The Computer as a Communication Device"?

Reflect on:
- Which aspects of their vision are realized through Usenet?
- What aspects have evolved differently from what they imagined?

Feel free to respond to comments made by your classmates as well.

Usenet is one of the precursory Internet-based systems for facilitating
group discussions and embodies to a large degree the concept put forward
by Licklider and Taylor of using computers for communication and collaboration. Usenet realized these visions with the use of computers
that are interconnected to form communities in which users could share
ideas, data, and discussions across geographically dispersed locations.
It enabled users to interact collectively around shared interests,
reflecting the notion of a "supercommunity."

Usenet, however, worked out rather differently from all of these
paradigms. It was, essentially, a decentralized text-based bulletin
board system and not the rich, interactive graphical interface that
Licklider and Taylor had envisioned. While it did help people in
collaboration, it did not have that dynamic model-sharing
interactivity and real-time cooperative problem-solving they
had envisaged would revolutionize communications.

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randuser <randuser@smishra.dont-email.me> wrote:

CS234 <cs234@lhmerino.dont-email.me> wrote:

This thread is intended for the students of CS-234: Technologies for democratic society

How does Usenet fit into the vision presented by Licklider and Taylor in
"The Computer as a Communication Device"?

Reflect on:
- Which aspects of their vision are realized through Usenet?
- What aspects have evolved differently from what they imagined?

Feel free to respond to comments made by your classmates as well.
- test
- test

testing

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CS234 <cs234@lhmerino.dont-email.me> wrote:

This thread is intended for the students of CS-234: Technologies for democratic society

How does Usenet fit into the vision presented by Licklider and Taylor in
"The Computer as a Communication Device"?

Reflect on:
- Which aspects of their vision are realized through Usenet?
- What aspects have evolved differently from what they imagined?

Feel free to respond to comments made by your classmates as well.

-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

As we saw in class, Usenet is the definition of interactive usage of a computer as a communication tool in the sense that, as Tayler and Licklider
described in their text, it encourages interactive and cooperative modeling and the use of intellectually distributed resources. Users interact with
each other and do not passively absorb information, providing even contrasting point of views to the exchanges as proven by the current discussion
which embodies the authors’ concept of working together! However, the service has evolved in a number of ways that do not conform to their ideals.
The quality of the communication is under threat due to the existence of spam and off topic postings as well as the challenges related to moderation.
This issue has led to the development of community-driven moderation systems in some groups, but inconsistencies remain. Moreover, the decentralized
nature of Usenet, while promoting diversity, can hinder cohesive interactions, leading to fragmented communities where members exist as separate
factions rather than a united group as conceived by Licklider and Tayler. But to this day, Usenet remains one of the best examples following the idea
of a democratic technology as imagined by our authors.

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CS234 <cs234@lhmerino.dont-email.me> wrote:

This thread is intended for the students of CS-234: Technologies for democratic society

How does Usenet fit into the vision presented by Licklider and Taylor in
"The Computer as a Communication Device"?

Reflect on:
- Which aspects of their vision are realized through Usenet?
- What aspects have evolved differently from what they imagined?

Feel free to respond to comments made by your classmates as well.

Usenet is one of the first ways a computer was used as a communication device. People could "easily" communicate with each other through text. For the first time,
computers were truly presented as sharing devices where anyone could interact with
other regarding their ideas, opinions and beliefs. However, the evolution of the
computer made it past their expectations. Nowadays, it is used not only to communicate by text, but it also with rich multimedia. Whether it's images, videos,
gifs or with a particular typo, the possibilities are endless and anyone with the
slightest knowledge can use. This also induced its very own problems. Sometimes,
people with bad intentions take advantages of these features in order to manipulate
other and spread fake news or even hate. This lead to the necessity of having some
kind of moderation on modern forums.

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CS234 <cs234@lhmerino.dont-email.me> wrote:

This thread is intended for the students of CS-234: Technologies for democratic society

How does Usenet fit into the vision presented by Licklider and Taylor in
"The Computer as a Communication Device"?

Reflect on:
- Which aspects of their vision are realized through Usenet?
- What aspects have evolved differently from what they imagined?

Feel free to respond to comments made by your classmates as well.

Hi everyone,

I just want to say how much I love this platform. It would’ve been so cool
to have had something like this back in the day! It really is revolutionary
and brings to life the concepts discussed by Licklider and Taylor in "The Computer as a Communication Device."

It fulfills their vision of using computers to connect people across
different locations and cultures! The asynchronous nature of discussions
allows for the sharing of ideas and collaboration, which is exactly what
they imagined as a tool to enhance communication. It democratizes access
to conversations, bringing people together in a virtual community without
the constraints of time or space.

However, one key difference is that Licklider and Taylor envisioned even
more seamless, real-time collaboration through computers—what we might now see with video conferencing or cloud-based tools. Usenet, while innovative, remains primarily text-based and is less interactive compared to their
dream of fully integrated, real-time communication platforms.

It’s amazing to see how some aspects of their vision evolved beyond their imagination!

Looking forward to reading everyone’s thoughts on this :)

Best,
Helen

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CS234 <cs234@lhmerino.dont-email.me> wrote:

This thread is intended for the students of CS-234: Technologies for democratic society

How does Usenet fit into the vision presented by Licklider and Taylor in
"The Computer as a Communication Device"?

Reflect on:
- Which aspects of their vision are realized through Usenet?
- What aspects have evolved differently from what they imagined?

Feel free to respond to comments made by your classmates as well.

-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

As we saw in class, Usenet is the definition of interactive usage of a computer as a communication tool in the sense that, as Tayler and Licklider
described in their text, it encourages interactive and cooperative modeling and the use of intellectually distributed resources. Users interact with
each other and do not passively absorb information, providing even contrasting point of views to the exchanges as proven by the current discussion
which embodies the authors’ concept of working together! However, the service has evolved in a number of ways that do not conform to their ideals.
The quality of the communication is under threat due to the existence of spam and off topic postings as well as the challenges related to moderation.
This issue has led to the development of community-driven moderation systems in some groups, but inconsistencies remain. Moreover, the decentralized
nature of Usenet, while promoting diversity, can hinder cohesive interactions, leading to fragmented communities where members exist as separate
factions rather than a united group as conceived by Licklider and Tayler. But to this day, Usenet remains one of the best examples following the idea
of a democratic technology as imagined by our authors.

(N.B : 3rd attempt because of From:.. issue)

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CS234 <cs234@lhmerino.dont-email.me> wrote:

This thread is intended for the students of CS-234: Technologies for democratic society

How does Usenet fit into the vision presented by Licklider and Taylor in
"The Computer as a Communication Device"?

Reflect on:
- Which aspects of their vision are realized through Usenet?
- What aspects have evolved differently from what they imagined?

Feel free to respond to comments made by your classmates as well.

Usenet exemplifies Leicklider and Taylor describe in ‘The Computer as a Communication Device’ that is distributed communication whereby users can
engage in conversations regardless of the distance between the parties. It is threaded discussions that explain the ‘cooperative modeling’ they had
expected, permitting the user to build and expand their thoughts, and communities who share those thoughts can be created irrespective of distance.
In this way, global communities of shared interest were formed rather than relying on physical proximity.

Yet Usenet contradicted their vision in several respects. While Licklider and Taylor's future had high-level personal assistants, such as "OLIVER,"
to help users sift and organize the material, Usenet provided no filtering and support by individual means for any purposeful exchange. Last but not
least, the very text-oriented and asynchronous nature of Usenet was a far cry from Graphical User Interfaces and real-time collaboration that the
authors had envisioned. Instead of a structured and concentrated system of communication, Usenet faced the information overload problem: it became
gradually harder for users to sift through the snowfall of posted messages and retrieve useful pieces of information. Not helping matters was the
lack of moderation that furthered the problems of spam and misinformation, thus degrading user experience and generating disappointment in the
functionality and organization of the platform-or so it could be.

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CS234 <cs234@lhmerino.dont-email.me> wrote:

This thread is intended for the students of CS-234:

Technologies for democratic society

How does Usenet fit into the vision presented by Licklider and Taylor in
"The Computer as a Communication Device"?

Reflect on:
- Which aspects of their vision are realized through Usenet?
- What aspects have evolved differently from what they imagined?

Feel free to respond to comments made by your classmates as well.

Usenet, a decentralized discussion system, plays,
a significant role in understanding distributed computing in CS-234.
Created in 1980, Usenet allowed users to post articles in public
forums, pioneering early online communication networks.
In CS-234, Usenet serves as a case study in decentralized systems,
highlighting concepts like peer-to-peer communication,
message propagation, and fault tolerance.
Its architecture illustrates how data is
replicated across multiple servers without relying on a central authority. Understanding Usenet equips students with a
foundation in distributed systems,
vital for grasping modern technologies like bloclchain
and cloud computing in
computer science today.
Nader Bahri (361288)

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CS234 <cs234@lhmerino.dont-email.me> wrote:

This thread is intended for the students of CS-234: Technologies for democratic society

How does Usenet fit into the vision presented by Licklider and Taylor in
"The Computer as a Communication Device"?

Reflect on:
- Which aspects of their vision are realized through Usenet?
- What aspects have evolved differently from what they imagined?

Feel free to respond to comments made by your classmates as well.

As to Licklider and Taylor's concept in "The Computer as a Communication Device," computers have the potential to transform
human communication by facilitating teamwork and information exchange. When Usenet was introduced in 1980, it provided a
decentralized forum where people could exchange messages and have discussions about different subjects without depending on a
central body, and which helped to partially accomplish this ideal. Decentralization encouraged the formation of communities around
common
interests, which reflected their vision of an open network for knowledge sharing.
Licklider and Taylor were unprepared for the difficulties Usenet faced, such as spam, inadequate moderation, and trouble sustaining
fruitful discussion. Usenet depended on asynchronous, text-based communication, in contrast to their idea of real-time, multimedia
cooperation. Scalability problems caused significant barriers to productive exchanges as the platform expanded, departing from its
intended smooth intellectual collaboration.

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CS234 <cs234@lhmerino.dont-email.me> wrote:> This thread is intended for the students of CS-234: Technologies for democratic society

How does Usenet fit into the vision presented by Licklider and Taylor in
"The Computer as a Communication Device"?

Reflect on:
- Which aspects of their vision are realized through Usenet?
- What aspects have evolved differently from what they imagined?

Feel free to respond to comments made by your classmates as well.

test

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CS234 <cs234@lhmerino.dont-email.me> wrote:

This thread is intended for the students of CS-234: Technologies for democratic society

How does Usenet fit into the vision presented by Licklider and Taylor in
"The Computer as a Communication Device"?

Reflect on:
- Which aspects of their vision are realized through Usenet?
- What aspects have evolved differently from what they imagined?

Feel free to respond to comments made by your classmates as well

Louis@louiscrc.eternal-september.org

Usenet is an implementation of certain aspects of Licklider and Taylor's vision regarding interactive and
community-based communication, where users share knowledge in a decentralized way. It is a precursor to the forums
that later appeared on the internet, with the same idea of collective understanding. However, Usenet mainly serves as
a platform for exchanging passive information, whereas Licklider and Taylor had imagined a more dynamic and creative
system of interaction, similar to what we would now consider real-time messaging. Nonetheless, they were pioneers in
their vision of computers playing an active role in facilitating communication. Usenet was an influential tool, but
it does not provide the level of interactivity and model manipulation they envisioned, evolving more as a
message-forwarding system than a truly creative tool.

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CS234 <cs234@lhmerino.dont-email.me> wrote:

This thread is intended for the students of CS-234: Technologies for democratic society

How does Usenet fit into the vision presented by Licklider and Taylor in
"The Computer as a Communication Device"?

Reflect on:
- Which aspects of their vision are realized through Usenet?
- What aspects have evolved differently from what they imagined?

Feel free to respond to comments made by your classmates as well.

Louis@louiscrc.eternal-september.org

Usenet is an implementation of certain aspects of Licklider and Taylor's vision regarding interactive and community-based communication, where users share knowledge
in a decentralized way. It is a precursor to the forums that later appeared on the internet, with the same idea of collective understanding. However, Usenet mainly
serves as a platform for exchanging passive information, whereas Licklider and Taylor
had imagined a more dynamic and creative system of interaction, similar to what we
would now consider real-time messaging. Nonetheless, they were pioneers in their
vision of computers playing an active role in facilitating communication. Usenet was
an influential tool, but it does not provide the level of interactivity and model
manipulation they envisioned, evolving more as a message-forwarding system than a
truly creative tool.

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CS234 <cs234@lhmerino.dont-email.me> wrote:

This thread is intended for the students of CS-234: Technologies for democratic society

How does Usenet fit into the vision presented by Licklider and Taylor in
"The Computer as a Communication Device"?

Reflect on:
- Which aspects of their vision are realized through Usenet?
- What aspects have evolved differently from what they imagined?

Feel free to respond to comments made by your classmates as well.

Licklider and Taylor's vision in "The Computer as a Communication Device" imagined computers facilitating interactive, real-time communication and collaboration,
allowing people to exchange and build on ideas in dynamic, model-driven environments.

Aspects realized in Usenet:

Usenet fosters community-driven interaction and shared discussions,
much like the envisioned collaborative spaces.
It supports user-generated content and distributed access to shared information,
aligning with their goal of computer-aided communication.

Differences:

Usenet is mostly asynchronous, lacking the real-time interactivity Licklider and Taylor emphasized.
It doesn't support the complex, model-based communication they envisioned, focusing instead on text-based discussions.
In short, Usenet captures some of their ideas on community and sharing but falls short of their vision for rich, interactive, real-time collaboration.

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CS234 <cs234@lhmerino.dont-email.me> wrote:

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How does Usenet fit into the vision presented by Licklider and Taylor in
"The Computer as a Communication Device"?

Reflect on:
- Which aspects of their vision are realized through Usenet?
- What aspects have evolved differently from what they imagined?

Feel free to respond to comments made by your classmates as well.

Licklider and Taylor described computers in "The Computer as a Communication Device" as instruments that would transform human
communication by facilitating cooperation and knowledge exchange. When Usenet was introduced in 1980, it provided a decentralized
forum where people could exchange messages and have discussions about different subjects without depending on a central body,
which helped to partially accomplish this ideal. Because of this decentralization, people were able to form communities around
common interests, which reflected their vision of an open network for knowledge sharing.
Licklider and Taylor were unprepared for the difficulties Usenet faced, such as spam, inadequate moderation, and trouble
sustaining fruitful discussion. Usenet was dependent on text-based, asynchronous communication, in contrast to their idea of
real-time, multimedia cooperation. Scalability concerns occurred as the platform expanded, making meaningful interactions even
more difficult and straying from its intended smooth intellectual collaboration.

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CS234 <cs234@lhmerino.dont-email.me> wrote:

This thread is intended for the students of CS-234: Technologies for democratic society

How does Usenet fit into the vision presented by Licklider and Taylor in
"The Computer as a Communication Device"?

Reflect on:
- Which aspects of their vision are realized through Usenet?
- What aspects have evolved differently from what they imagined?

Feel free to respond to comments made by your classmates as well.

Usenet at its core is a distributed and decentralized network, which aligns with the authors' vision of a distributed and decentralized use of resources and information. It also allows people from different countries and communities to communicate with each other, which aligns with the authors' description of interconnection. In addition, the online interactive communities mentioned in the paper can be directly linked to users subscribed to the same newsgroups, since they share a common interest. On the other hand, what the authors didn't get right is the cost of communication, which is free or almost free (excluding paying for internet connectivity), or their vision about collaborative and intellectual communication, as a great fraction of messages shared on the Usenet where spam, trolling, low-quality content, etc

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This thread is intended for the students of CS-234: Technologies for democratic society

How does Usenet fit into the vision presented by Licklider and Taylor in
"The Computer as a Communication Device"?

Reflect on:
- Which aspects of their vision are realized through Usenet?
- What aspects have evolved differently from what they imagined?

Feel free to respond to comments made by your classmates as well.

Licklider and Taylor's vision in "The Computer as a Communication Device" imagined computers enabling real-time, interactive collaboration,
where users would exchange and build on ideas through dynamic,
model-driven communication. Usenet fulfills parts of this vision by fostering community-driven interaction, allowing users to share and discuss information in
decentralized groups. However, Usenet primarily supports asynchronous, text-based
discussions, lacking the real-time interactivity and complex model-based collaboration
that Licklider and Taylor envisioned. While it aligns with their ideas about community
and shared content, it falls short of the deep, cooperative problem-solving they anticipated.

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How does Usenet fit into the vision presented by Licklider and Taylor in
"The Computer as a Communication Device"?

Reflect on:
- Which aspects of their vision are realized through Usenet?
- What aspects have evolved differently from what they imagined?

Feel free to respond to comments made by your classmates as well.

Usenet reflects Licklider and Taylor's vision of using computers
for communication and collaboration by creating a decentralized
network where users could exchange messages and ideas. It enabled
a global, interactive community that aligned with their vision
of shared knowledge and intellectual cooperation. However,
Usenet evolved differently by becoming less centralized
than they may have envisioned, with user groups forming
around specific interests rather than the broader, dynamic
exchange of ideas they anticipated. Additionally, as the
internet evolved, more user-friendly platforms like social
media overshadowed Usenet, deviating from the academic and
technical focus Licklider and Taylor imagined.

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CS234 <cs234@lhmerino.dont-email.me> wrote:
This is awesome, one of the best lecture I attended. We truly can admire the beginings of the internet and its early uses. I find this captivating and really
motivationnal to see that back then, even if the technologies were not meerly as fast
as it is today, poeple would still find every way to communicate and connect with
others, the true nature of the human beings! The opportunity to grasp such a relic
of the past is amazing and a good source of knowledge to appreciate even more all the tools we have now at our disposition. Thank you for this discovery!

This thread is intended for the students of CS-234: Technologies for democratic society

How does Usenet fit into the vision presented by Licklider and Taylor in
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- What aspects have evolved differently from what they imagined?

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How does Usenet fit into the vision presented by Licklider and Taylor in
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Reflect on:
- Which aspects of their vision are realized through Usenet?
- What aspects have evolved differently from what they imagined?

Feel free to respond to comments made by your classmates as well.

Hello,

One of the important points considered by Licklider and Robert W. Taylor is the fact of externalizing one's communication model in order
to communicate more efficiently, notably thanks to communication devices.

Usenet satisfies several of the points put forward in this paper: firstly, the ability to communicate, interact and exchange ideas on a subject
over long distances (“On-line interactive communities”).
In addition to this, their vision of a network of interconnected computers is what Usenet relies on to function.

However, their vision of “communications devices” was very advanced, with talk of simulations, data visualization and so on.
Unfortunately, this is not the way we communicate on Usenet, but rather with a simple, colorless interface in a terminal.

One of their chapters deals with “face to face through a computer”, showing just how useful communications devices can be as interactive, real-time tools.
Although the Usenet has contributed a little to this, it's not its strong point. On the contrary, the way people communicate today has greatly evolved:
today's social networks and other types of messaging are much more spontaneous, interactive, easy and convenient to use than the Usenet.

Finally, I think it's fair to say that the Usenet has contributed a great deal to the Internet as we know it today,
just as much as Licklider and Taylor's paper was avant-garde and good on many points!

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How does Usenet fit into the vision presented by Licklider and Taylor in
"The Computer as a Communication Device"?

Reflect on:
- Which aspects of their vision are realized through Usenet?
- What aspects have evolved differently from what they imagined?

Feel free to respond to comments made by your classmates as well.

Hi,

Since I dont really know what I am suppose to be posting here,
here is a quick recap of Usenet's history, enjoy!

Developed in 1979 at Duke University by Tom Truscott and Jim Ellis,
Usenet was one of the first online message boards that functioned
similarly to forums today, allowing users to post messages to newsgroups.
It was a decentralized network that shared messages using the UUCP
protocol. Usenet developed into a forum for conversations on a variety
of subjects, including hobbies and technology. Usenet's appeal gradually diminished as social media, web-based forums, and better email systems
emerged. On the other hand, it was essential to the growth of online communities and information exchange.

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How does Usenet fit into the vision presented by Licklider and Taylor in
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Reflect on:
- Which aspects of their vision are realized through Usenet?
- What aspects have evolved differently from what they imagined?

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CS234 <cs234@lhmerino.dont-email.me> wrote:

This thread is intended for the students of CS-234: Technologies for democratic society

How does Usenet fit into the vision presented by Licklider and Taylor in
"The Computer as a Communication Device"?

Reflect on:
- Which aspects of their vision are realized through Usenet?
- What aspects have evolved differently from what they imagined?

Feel free to respond to comments made by your classmates as well.

In a world where we now have extremely fast 1Gbps Wi-Fi, during the era of Licklider and Taylor, internet speeds were slower than 50 kbps. Their vision for computers extended beyond only computation,they foresaw them becoming powerful communication tools.
We can see the accuracy of their prediction with platforms like Usenet, which is a collaborative space for posting and critiquing news, embodying the kind of community interaction they envisioned. However, when they spoke of personal assistants like "
Oliver," their predictions weren't entirely accurate, as today's tools are much more advanced than they had imagined.

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Technologies for democratic society

How does Usenet fit into the vision presented by Licklider and Taylor in
"The Computer as a Communication Device"?

Reflect on:
- Which aspects of their vision are realized through Usenet?
- What aspects have evolved differently from what they imagined?

Feel free to respond to comments made by your classmates as well.

One of Licklider's grand visions for the then-future of computer-based communications was the creation and unification of communities comprised
of people of common interests rather than people of common geographic backgrounds. With Usenet, this grouping of communities was evident
through the hierarchical structure of its worldwide newsgroups;
namespaces such as "humanities" and "sci" clearly exemplify this.

The concept of an OLIVER didn't quite turn out the way that Licklider
had predicted. At least in UseNet, we don't really see any sort of
software agent acting on behalf of the users. Many of the smaller
matters such as trivial administrative tasks still require some degree
of personal attention.

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Technologies for democratic society

How does Usenet fit into the vision presented by Licklider and Taylor in
"The Computer as a Communication Device"?

Reflect on:
- Which aspects of their vision are realized through Usenet?
- What aspects have evolved differently from what they imagined?

Feel free to respond to comments made by your classmates as well.

Usenet aligns with Licklider and Taylor’s vision of
The Computer as a Communication Device by enabling global,
asynchronous communication, allowing users to share information
and engage in discussions across various topics.
It realizes their idea of computers as tools for collaboration
and knowledge sharing without the constraints
of time or geography. However, Usenet lacks the real-time,
interactive communication that Licklider and Taylor envisioned.
Modern tools like video conferencing, instant messaging,
and collaborative platforms fulfill that aspect of their vision.
While Usenet fosters open information exchange, it doesn’t offer
the immediacy and interactivity that newer communication
technologies provide.

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This thread is intended for the students of CS-234: Technologies for democratic society

How does Usenet fit into the vision presented by Licklider and Taylor in
"The Computer as a Communication Device"?

Reflect on:
- Which aspects of their vision are realized through Usenet?
- What aspects have evolved differently from what they imagined?

Feel free to respond to comments made by your classmates as well.

Licklider and Taylor's 1968 essay, "The Computer as a Communication Device,"
built the foundation for thinking about computers as tools for communication
and collaboration.
The aspects of the essay realized through Usenet are
numerous: global information sharing,asynchronous communication,user content creation etc...
Also, we can see that some aspects evolved differently from Licklider and Taylor’s visions.
Indeed they were picturing a way more accessible form of communication whereas Usenet is not so easy to use. In
addition, the essay anticipated a network where knowledge and collaboration would be enhanced by the system but
Usenet rapidly became a place where spams, trolling and flame wars were very common due to the lack of moderation

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CS234 <cs234@lhmerino.dont-email.me> wrote:

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How does Usenet fit into the vision presented by Licklider and Taylor in
"The Computer as a Communication Device"?

Reflect on:
- Which aspects of their vision are realized through Usenet?
- What aspects have evolved differently from what they imagined?

Feel free to respond to comments made by your classmates as well.

this is a test

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CS234 <cs234@lhmerino.dont-email.me> wrote:

This thread is intended for the students of CS-234: Technologies for democratic society

How does Usenet fit into the vision presented by Licklider and Taylor in
"The Computer as a Communication Device"?

Reflect on:
- Which aspects of their vision are realized through Usenet?
- What aspects have evolved differently from what they imagined?

Feel free to respond to comments made by your classmates as well.

Licklider and Taylor's 1968 essay, "The Computer as a Communication Device,"
built the foundation for thinking about computers as tools for communication
and collaboration.
The aspects of the essay realized through Usenet are
numerous: global information sharing,asynchronous communication,user content creation etc...
Also, we can see that some aspects evolved differently from Licklider and Taylor’s visions.
Indeed they were picturing a way more accessible form of communication whereas Usenet is not so easy to use.
In addition, the essay anticipated a network where knowledge and collaboration would be enhanced by the system but
Usenet rapidly became a place where spams, trolling and flame wars were very common due to the lack of moderation.

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This thread is intended for the students of CS-234: Technologies for democratic society

How does Usenet fit into the vision presented by Licklider and Taylor in
"The Computer as a Communication Device"?

Reflect on:
- Which aspects of their vision are realized through Usenet?
- What aspects have evolved differently from what they imagined?

Feel free to respond to comments made by your classmates as well.

Usenet est une plateforme fascinante, mais quelque peu datée en comparaison avec les réseaux sociaux modernes.
L'accès demande une certaine configuration technique avec un fournisseur Usenet et un lecteur de news, ce qui peut être un obstacle pour les néophytes.
Cependant, une fois familiarisé, on découvre une vaste quantité de groupes de discussion couvrant des sujets variés et parfois très spécialisés.
La communauté est souvent experte, mais assez fermée.
Les discussions y sont généralement plus approfondies et moins instantanées que sur les plateformes modernes.
Usenet reste un espace intéressant pour les passionnés de niche et les curieux.

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CS234 <cs234@lhmerino.dont-email.me> wrote:

This thread is intended for the students of CS-234: Technologies for democratic society

How does Usenet fit into the vision presented by Licklider and Taylor in
"The Computer as a Communication Device"?

Reflect on:
- Which aspects of their vision are realized through Usenet?
- What aspects have evolved differently from what they imagined?

Feel free to respond to comments made by your classmates as well.

In "The Computer as a Communication Device," Licklider and Taylor envisioned a future
where computers enabled interactive, decentralized communication, allowing individuals to
collaborate and share ideas.
Usenet, developed in 1980, reflects many aspects of their vision.
It provided a decentralized platform for users to post and exchange information across
newsgroups, fostering global communication and knowledge-sharing, much like the "online
communities" Licklider and Taylor imagined.
Nevertheless, certain aspects evolved differently.
Usenet was primarily text-based, whereas Licklider and Taylor foresaw more multimedia-rich
communication.
Additionally, Usenet’s lack of moderation led to issues like spam and misinformation,
contrasting with the more idealized, constructive collaboration they envisioned.
The rise of the modern web, with platforms like forums and social media, has since
overshadowed Usenet, pushing communication towards more centralized and regulated environments.
In contrast to Usenet's decentralized and unregulated model, today’s social media
platforms and forums are more tightly controlled and curated, which can promote more
constructive discussions but also lead to concerns about censorship and corporate control.
Usenet's open nature, while innovative, exposed the challenges of maintaining quality
discourse without oversight. Licklider and Taylor’s vision of a digital space fostering
creativity and collaboration remains relevant, but the way we manage and curate these
spaces has evolved.
The internet today reflects a hybrid of their decentralized vision with the need for
structure, moderation, and security in large-scale communication networks.

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How does Usenet fit into the vision presented by Licklider and Taylor in
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Reflect on:
- Which aspects of their vision are realized through Usenet?
- What aspects have evolved differently from what they imagined?

Feel free to respond to comments made by your classmates as well.

Usenet fits into the vision by J.C.R. Licklider and Robert W. Taylor in "The Computer
as a Communication Device" by making it easier for people to share information and
discuss topics online, which they hoped computers would do. They believed that computers could make communication between people more interactive and productive,
and Usenet does this by letting users participate in discussions on a variety of topics.
However, their vision also included computers making communication richer and more like
talking face-to-face, using multimedia like videos and graphics, which Usenet, being
mostly text-based, doesn't fully achieve. Also, while they thought computers might
replace some traditional ways we communicate, like meetings or phone calls, Usenet
has added to these methods rather than replacing them. It offers a way for people
to discuss and exchange ideas without needing to be in the same place or talk in
real time.

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This thread is intended for the students of CS-234: Technologies for democratic society

How does Usenet fit into the vision presented by Licklider and Taylor in
"The Computer as a Communication Device"?

Reflect on:
- Which aspects of their vision are realized through Usenet?
- What aspects have evolved differently from what they imagined?

Feel free to respond to comments made by your classmates as well.

Usenet aligns with Licklider and Taylor's vision by acting as a decentralized platform
where users share and access information collaboratively, reflecting their idea of an
interactive, computer-facilitated communication system.
It realizes Licklider and Taylor's vision through its decentralized, interactive platform
where users can collaboratively exchange information, fostering the creative communication
they envisioned. It embodies their idea of a shared space for intellectual collaboration without physical proximity.
However, some aspects evolved differently. While Licklider and Taylor imagined a more structured, interactive modeling environment focused on problem-solving, Usenet
developed as a more free-form, text-based system. It lacked the dynamic, moldable medium
they foresaw for real-time interactive models and problem-solving, evolving into a
discussion forum rather than the interactive,
multi-access computing networks they anticipated.

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How does Usenet fit into the vision presented by Licklider and Taylor in
"The Computer as a Communication Device"?

Reflect on:
- Which aspects of their vision are realized through Usenet?
- What aspects have evolved differently from what they imagined?

Feel free to respond to comments made by your classmates as well.

Usenet helped bring Licklider and Taylor's vision of "cooperative modelling" and "intelligence amplification" to life by facilitating global user discussion and collaboration on themes of common interest.
This satisfies their concept of cross-distance problem solving and global communication.
However, Usenet doesn't have the intelligent computational assistance or interactive, real-time collaboration they had in mind.
Licklider saw computers as actively aiding the intellectual process in addition to facilitating communication, while Usenet acted mostly as a passive bulletin board system.
Furthermore, as technology grew more widely available and less expensive, the issues of affordability and accessibility that they raised changed in unique ways.

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CS234 <cs234@lhmerino.dont-email.me> wrote:

This thread is intended for the students of CS-234: Technologies for democratic society

How does Usenet fit into the vision presented by Licklider and Taylor in
"The Computer as a Communication Device"?

Reflect on:
- Which aspects of their vision are realized through Usenet?
- What aspects have evolved differently from what they imagined?

Feel free to respond to comments made by your classmates as well.

Usenet partly fits their vision through its distributed/decentralized nature: The authors criticized the limitations of a "single access computer", arguing that this model could not scale efficiently
and would inccur too much overall costs, and instead proposed to setup "an experimental network of multiaccess computers"
for communication and sharing of intellectual resources.

However, it doesn't fit the bill for the kind of real-time collaboration that they envisaged:
Usenet is old school text, asynchronous and doesn't implement any concepts of "cooperative modelling", alignment of mental models, or rich interactivity as outlined in their paper.
One can argue that the segmentation of topics into nested groups is still a step forward in this direction.

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- What aspects have evolved differently from what they imagined?

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salut

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CS234 <cs234@lhmerino.dont-email.me> wrote:

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How does Usenet fit into the vision presented by Licklider and Taylor in
"The Computer as a Communication Device"?

Reflect on:
- Which aspects of their vision are realized through Usenet?
- What aspects have evolved differently from what they imagined?

Feel free to respond to comments made by your classmates as well.

Usenet reflects many aspects of Licklider and Taylor’s vision.It embodies open information sharing, decentralized communication, and the creation of communities around shared interests, aligning with their idea of interactive collaboration across
geographical boundaries. However, some aspects evolved differently. Usenet's unstructured nature contrasts with their vision of a more organized and user-friendly system for collaboration. It lacks moderation and curation, often resulting in information
overload, unlike their ideal of seamless knowledge sharing. Additionally, Usenet doesn’t fully realize the real-time, interactive problem-solving that Licklider and Taylor anticipated, offering only asynchronous discussions. Overall, while Usenet
embraces decentralization and open exchange, it falls short of the structured, interactive environments they envisioned.

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How does Usenet fit into the vision presented by Licklider and Taylor in
"The Computer as a Communication Device"?

Reflect on:
- Which aspects of their vision are realized through Usenet?
- What aspects have evolved differently from what they imagined?

Feel free to respond to comments made by your classmates as well.

Licklider and Taylor’s vision in “The Computer as a Communication Device” imagined
computers as tools for enhancing collaboration, which Usenet exemplifies by enabling
knowledge sharing and discussions in a decentralized format. However, Usenet is more
technical and less user-friendly than modern platforms like Facebook or Twitter, which
better facilitate communication for the average user. They also did not anticipate the
rise of these centralized platforms that dominate online discourse today. Furthermore,
Licklider and Taylor overlooked challenges like spam, trolling, and misinformation
inherent in open networks like Usenet, leading to chaotic discussions and difficulties
in managing abusive behavior, contrasting with their vision of constructive
communication.

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- What aspects have evolved differently from what they imagined?

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CS234 <cs234@lhmerino.dont-email.me> wrote:

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How does Usenet fit into the vision presented by Licklider and Taylor in
"The Computer as a Communication Device"?

Reflect on:
- Which aspects of their vision are realized through Usenet?
- What aspects have evolved differently from what they imagined?

Feel free to respond to comments made by your classmates as well.

Usenet fulfills Licklider and Taylor's vision as a decentralized communication tool, allowing
users to exchange ideas in virtual communities. It reflects their concept of a network that
facilitates collaboration. Usenet allowed thousands of users around the world to contribute to a
variety of discussions, exchanging information on a wide range of topics. This illustrates the
collaborative potential that Licklider and Taylor anticipated. But differs in some ways. Unlike
their vision of instantaneous, fluid communication, Usenet is not instantaneous, and its
interactions are delayed. Additionally, access to Usenet can be more technical and less intuitive
than what Licklider and Taylor envisioned for the future of communication technologies.

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How does Usenet fit into the vision presented by Licklider and Taylor in
"The Computer as a Communication Device"?

Reflect on:
- Which aspects of their vision are realized through Usenet?
- What aspects have evolved differently from what they imagined?

Feel free to respond to comments made by your classmates as well.

Usenet facilitated the sharing of knowledge and problem-solving
through threaded discussions, becoming a precursor to modern online
forums and communities. Licklider and Taylor’s vision of an
interconnected future hinted at a world where communication through
computers would be intuitive, seamless, and accessible to everyone.
However, Usenet, being text-based and command-line driven, especially
in its early days, required a certain level of technical knowledge
and proficiency, which made it less accessible to the general
population. Only those with a strong background in computing could
fully participate, limiting its reach compared to modern platforms
that have simplified access for a broader audience. Despite these
challenges, Usenet laid the foundation for today’s collaborative
digital spaces.

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Usenet aligns really well with Licklider and Taylor's vision in several ways while also deviating in others.

Aspects of Their Vision that are realized through Usenet:

Enhanced Communication: Usenet enabled individuals to communicate effectively over long distances.
Distributed Networks: Usenet's distributed nature, with servers spread globally, aligns with the idea of interconnected multiaccess computer systems that encourage cooperation.

Aspects that evolved differently than their vision:

Interactivity and Modeling: Licklider and Taylor imagined a highly interactive medium. Usenet, however, was text-based and did not support the interactive and graphical modeling functions they described.
Real-time Communication: Usenet lacked the real-time interactive features that Licklider and Taylor emphasized as crucial for effective communication.

In summary, Usenet realized aspects of Licklider and Taylor's vision by enabling effective, distributed, and community oriented communication, but it did not achieve the interactivity and real-time engagement envisioned by Licker and Taylor.

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In their paper "The Computer as a Communication Device," Licklider and Taylor imagined computers as tools that would enable rich, decentralized communication across a global network, allowing individuals to collaborate freely. Usenet fulfills many
aspects of this vision by creating a platform where users from around the world can share information without relying on centralized authorities. The group-based discussion format reflects their idea of networked communities exchanging ideas
asynchronously, fostering a participatory culture.

However, their vision also included more real-time, interactive collaboration, which differs from Usenet’s more delayed, text-based interactions. Furthermore, modern social networks have centralized much of the communication that Licklider and Taylor
envisioned as decentralized, creating large corporate-controlled platforms.

While Usenet remains a decentralized space, it no longer holds the prominence it once had, and the rise of more centralized forms of communication has led to a different evolution from what was originally imagined.


CS234 <cs234@lhmerino.dont-email.me> wrote:

This thread is intended for the students of CS-234: Technologies for democratic society

How does Usenet fit into the vision presented by Licklider and Taylor in
"The Computer as a Communication Device"?

Reflect on:
- Which aspects of their vision are realized through Usenet?
- What aspects have evolved differently from what they imagined?

Feel free to respond to comments made by your classmates as well.

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CS234 <cs234@lhmerino.dont-email.me> wrote:

This thread is intended for the students of CS-234: Technologies for democratic society

How does Usenet fit into the vision presented by Licklider and Taylor in
"The Computer as a Communication Device"?

Reflect on:
- Which aspects of their vision are realized through Usenet?
- What aspects have evolved differently from what they imagined?

Feel free to respond to comments made by your classmates as well.

As we have seen in class,Licklider and Taylor envisioned computers in their book as devices that would transform human
communication by enabling cooperation and the sharing of knowledge. Usenet offered a platform that was decentralized, where
messages could be exchanged among participants and discussions carried on about various topics, without relying on any form of
central body that had helped, to some extent, realize this ideal. It is due to this type of decentralization that people came
together along lines of interests and reflected their vision of an open network for knowledge sharing.

Licklider and Taylor were not prepared for problems that plagued Usenet, such as spam, poor moderation, and an inability to
maintain productive discussion. Unlike the duo's vision of immediate, multimedia collaboration, Usenet relied on asynchronous
text communication. It suffered from scalability issues as it grew, further hindering meaningful interactions from taking
place and deviating from its purpose in terms of ease for intellectual collaboration.

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CS234 <cs234@lhmerino.dont-email.me> wrote:

This thread is intended for the students of CS-234:

Technologies for democratic society

How does Usenet fit into the vision presented by Licklider and Taylor in
"The Computer as a Communication Device"?

Reflect on:
- Which aspects of their vision are realized through Usenet?
- What aspects have evolved differently from what they imagined?

Feel free to respond to comments made by your classmates as well.

As we have seen in class and in the assigned reading,
Licklider and Taylor predicted that computers would
transform how people communicate by promoting collaboration and knowledge exchange. Usenet brought this vision to life by
offering a decentralized space
for discussions and message sharing.Without a central authority,
users connected through common interests,
exemplifying the concept of an open, knowledge-sharing network.
Licklider and Taylor didn’t foresee the issues
that plagued Usenet, such as spam,
poor moderation, and unproductive discussions.
Unlike their vision of real-time multimedia collaboration,
Usenet used asynchronous text communication and faced scalability problems, which hindered meaningful interactions and intellectual collaboration.

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CS234 <cs234@lhmerino.dont-email.me> wrote:

This thread is intended for the students of CS-234: Technologies for democratic society

How does Usenet fit into the vision presented by Licklider and Taylor in
"The Computer as a Communication Device"?

Reflect on:
- Which aspects of their vision are realized through Usenet?
- What aspects have evolved differently from what they imagined?

Feel free to respond to comments made by your classmates as well.

Usenet fits with parts of Licklider and Taylor’s vision from “The Computer as a Communication Device” by allowing global, user-driven communication between people who are far apart. This reflects their idea of creating “interactive communities”
where users could share knowledge and collaborate​. Usenet’s discussion forums are similar to their idea of cooperative modeling, where people work together to exchange and build on ideas​. However, some things turned out differently. Licklider and
Taylor imagined more real-time communication, while Usenet is mostly asynchronous. They also envisioned communication that would include multimedia and visual models, not just text​. Usenet stayed mostly text-based and didn’t have the kind of
interactive, graphical systems or fast decision-making they thought computers would help with​.

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CS234 <cs234@lhmerino.dont-email.me> wrote:

This thread is intended for the students of CS-234: Technologies for democratic society

How does Usenet fit into the vision presented by Licklider and Taylor in
"The Computer as a Communication Device"?

Reflect on:
- Which aspects of their vision are realized through Usenet?
- What aspects have evolved differently from what they imagined?

Feel free to respond to comments made by your classmates as well.

Licklider and Taylor accurately predicted that networked computers would connect people,
, provide access for everyone, and act as personal assistants, much like today's AI (e.g., GPT),
enabling dynamic information sharing and fostering self-discovery.
However, they were less accurate in predicting the decline in costs, as digital access and technology
remained financially stratified.
Additionally, they underestimated the challenges of spam use, which required more robust moderation mechanisms.

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CS234 <cs234@lhmerino.dont-email.me> wrote:

This thread is intended for the students of CS-234: Technologies for democratic society

How does Usenet fit into the vision presented by Licklider and Taylor in
"The Computer as a Communication Device"?

Reflect on:
- Which aspects of their vision are realized through Usenet?
- What aspects have evolved differently from what they imagined?

Feel free to respond to comments made by your classmates as well.

Usenet aligns with Licklider and Taylor's vision by enabling people
to engage in asynchronous intellectual collaboration,
regardless of their geographic location.Through its open newsgroups
covering diverse topics, Usenet allowed users to exchange ideas and
participate in discussions, fostering a sense of community based on
common interests,and breaking the constraints of physical proximity.
While it doesn’t provide real-time interaction, Usenet's threaded
discussions match the authors' concept of creative and interactive communication, where dynamic collaboration leads to new ideas. Hence,
we can say that Usenet laid the foundation for distributed intellectual resources and communities, embodying the potential of computers to revolutionize communication as predicted by the authors.

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CS234 <cs234@lhmerino.dont-email.me> wrote:

This thread is intended for the students of CS-234: Technologies for democratic society

How does Usenet fit into the vision presented by Licklider and Taylor in
"The Computer as a Communication Device"?

Reflect on:
- Which aspects of their vision are realized through Usenet?
- What aspects have evolved differently from what they imagined?

Feel free to respond to comments made by your classmates as well.

Usenet's origin really embodies a number of the visions that Licklider and Taylor outlined in "The Computer as a
Communication Device," perhaps most specifically computers enabling global, collaborative communication.
Usenet also allowed different people to share information, ideas, and discussions
across distributed networks, promoting the sense of a connected community, much like the envisioned
"online interactive communities." The course of evolution taken by Usenet, however,
diverged in important ways. Whereas Licklider and Taylor envisioned even more active, real-time collaborations running in parallel with human thought processes,
in general, Usenet supported asynchronous discussions.
Their vision of such online communities
also suggested more organized, curated methods of communication in contrast to the decentralized,
unmoderated spams, and content fragmentations characteristic of Usenet.

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CS234 <cs234@lhmerino.dont-email.me> wrote:

This thread is intended for the students of CS-234: Technologies for democratic society

How does Usenet fit into the vision presented by Licklider and Taylor in
"The Computer as a Communication Device"?

Reflect on:
- Which aspects of their vision are realized through Usenet?
- What aspects have evolved differently from what they imagined?

Feel free to respond to comments made by your classmates as well.

Usenet aligns with Licklider and Taylor's vision by enabling people to engage in asynchronous intellectual collaboration,
regardless of their geographic location.Through its open newsgroups covering diverse topics, Usenet allowed users to exchange
ideas and participate in discussions, fostering a sense of community based on common interests,and breaking the constraints
of physical proximity. While it doesn’t provide real-time interaction, Usenet's threaded discussions match the authors' concept
of creative and interactive communication, where dynamic collaboration leads to new ideas.Hence, we can say that Usenet laid
the foundation for distributed intellectual resources and communities, embodying the potential of computers to revolutionize
communication as predicted by the authors.As for the aspects that didn't evolve as foreseen by the others we can say that
there wasn’t universal and equal access to Usenet as it required material and knowledge, also Advanced Personal Assistants the
authors imagined, appeared a lot later than Usenet .

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CS234 <cs234@lhmerino.dont-email.me> wrote:

This thread is intended for the students of CS-234:

Technologies for democratic society

How does Usenet fit into the vision presented by Licklider and Taylor in
"The Computer as a Communication Device"?

Reflect on:
- Which aspects of their vision are realized through Usenet?
- What aspects have evolved differently from what they imagined?

Feel free to respond to comments made by your classmates as well.

Usenet's origin really embodies a number of the visions
that Licklider and Taylor
outlined in "The Computer as a Communication Device,"
perhaps most specifically computers enabling global,
collaborative communication.
Usenet also allowed different people to share information,
ideas, and discussions across distributed networks, promoting
the sense of a connected community, much like the envisioned
"online interactive communities." The course of evolution
taken by Usenet, however, diverged in important ways.
Whereas Licklider and Taylor envisioned even more active,
real-time collaborations running in parallel
with human thought processes
, in general, Usenet supported asynchronous discussions.
Their vision of such online communities also suggested more organized,
curated methods of communication in contrast
to the decentralized, unmoderated spams,
and content fragmentations characteristic of Usenet

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CS234 <cs234@lhmerino.dont-email.me> wrote:

This thread is intended for the students of CS-234: Technologies for democratic society

How does Usenet fit into the vision presented by Licklider and Taylor in
"The Computer as a Communication Device"?

Reflect on:
- Which aspects of their vision are realized through Usenet?
- What aspects have evolved differently from what they imagined?

Feel free to respond to comments made by your classmates as well.

Licklider and Taylor's vision included the concept of virtual communities formed around shared interests. Usenet's hierarchical newsgroup structure allows users to join discussions focused on
specific topics like science, technology, and recreation, thereby fostering a sense of belonging and collaborative interaction. Although they anticipated collaborative and productive
communication, they might not have fully anticipated the challenges of managing content quality and moderation. Unmoderated Usenet groups often became chaotic, inundated with spam and off-topic
posts. This issue has driven the development of more advanced moderation techniques in modern platforms. Usenet was a significant step toward realizing Licklider and Taylor's vision of a global
communication network that supports information sharing and community building.

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CS234 <cs234@lhmerino.dont-email.me> wrote:

This thread is intended for the students of CS-234: Technologies for democratic society

How does Usenet fit into the vision presented by Licklider and Taylor in
"The Computer as a Communication Device"?

Reflect on:
- Which aspects of their vision are realized through Usenet?
- What aspects have evolved differently from what they imagined?

Feel free to respond to comments made by your classmates as well.

Usenet embodies the non-hierarchical interactive communication
network that Licklider and Taylor postulated in "The Computer as
a Communication Device." Usenet's plethora of newsgroups, where
users from all over the world share ideas and information,
perfectly embodies the idea that computers can be instruments
that foster collective thinking. In other words, they envision a
world in which there is a public information repository that
may access and contribute to with little restriction—and such
worlds already exist. Although Usenet does not allow users to
interact in real time, it does allow for the emergence of communities
encourages the exchange of ideas which was a primary aim for
Licklider and Taylor’s theory on cyberspace as seen in the
internet culture of Usenet.

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CS234 <cs234@lhmerino.dont-email.me> wrote:

This thread is intended for the students of CS-234:

Technologies for democratic society

How does Usenet fit into the vision presented by Licklider and Taylor in
"The Computer as a Communication Device"?

Reflect on:
- Which aspects of their vision are realized through Usenet?
- What aspects have evolved differently from what they imagined?

Feel free to respond to comments made by your classmates as well.

In The Computer as a Communication Device,
Licklider and Taylor envisioned computers as
tools for interactive, creative communication
and collaboration. Usenet fulfilled part of this
vision by fostering communities where users
could share knowledge and form long-distance
discussion groups on a variety of topics.
These newsgroups allowed people with
common interests to communicate without
geographic restrictions, creating an early
version of the knowledge community predicted
by Licklider and Taylor. Usenet's decentralized
structure also fits with its idea of ​​a distributed
intellectual resource, where information can
be freely accessed and shared among users.
However, it was different in that it was
text-based, asynchronous, and lacked
the real-time interaction, graphical interfaces,
and dynamic communication tools they
had envisioned. Additionally, Usenet was
not universally accessible; it was primarily reserved
for academics, tech enthusiasts, and those with
the technical skills to navigate early Internet
systems. This was a far from the widespread
accessibility of computer-mediated communication
that Licklider and Taylor had envisioned.

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CS234 <cs234@lhmerino.dont-email.me> wrote:

This thread is intended for the students of CS-234: Technologies for democratic society

How does Usenet fit into the vision presented by Licklider and Taylor in
"The Computer as a Communication Device"?

Reflect on:
- Which aspects of their vision are realized through Usenet?
- What aspects have evolved differently from what they imagined?

Feel free to respond to comments made by your classmates as well.

Usenet serves as a mean of distributed communication, where geographically dispersed communities collaborate via computer.
The collaboration is interactive and open, which encourages creative exchanges. People can easily exchange without being physically present, they can exchange easily without the need to have technical knowledge.
On the other side, usenet doesn't have real-time interaction, Licklider and Taylor envisionned real-time collaboration.
Also, usenet is almost only text-based, so it lacks the media and interactive features that they envisionned.
Usenet lacked the intelligent moderation that Licklider and Taylor wanted.

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CS234 <cs234@lhmerino.dont-email.me> wrote:

This thread is intended for the students of CS-234:

Technologies for democratic society

How does Usenet fit into the vision presented by Licklider and Taylor in
"The Computer as a Communication Device"?

Reflect on:
- Which aspects of their vision are realized through Usenet?
- What aspects have evolved differently from what they imagined?

Feel free to respond to comments made by your classmates as well.

Further, Usenet realizes Licklider's and Taylor's vision
of "The Computer as a Communication Device"
by supporting global communication and decentralized collaboration.
The idea here was to facilitate the connection of ideas
and people — worldwide knowledge sharing using a
common topic base with usenet that could form cultural hubs.
But Usenet was not what they envisioned in many ways.
The technical interface was more less accessible than the
user-friendly systems they had in their minds ; problems like trolling
and spam sabotaged any hope for a pure commons.
In addition increased commercialization on the Internet,
including Usenet, opposed to their beacon
of co-operation based around science and academics.

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CS234 <cs234@lhmerino.dont-email.me> wrote:

This thread is intended for the students of CS-234:

Technologies for democratic society

How does Usenet fit into the vision presented by Licklider and Taylor in
"The Computer as a Communication Device"?

Reflect on:
- Which aspects of their vision are realized through Usenet?
- What aspects have evolved differently from what they imagined?

Feel free to respond to comments made by your classmates as well.

Licklider and Taylor accurately predicted that networked
computers would connect people, boost productivity,
offer universal access, and act as personal assistants,
like today's AI. Usenet embodied these ideas, fostering
global collaboration and dynamic information sharing.
However, they were wrong about costs decreasing, as technology
remains financially stratified, and they underestimated
challenges like spam and the need for digital governance.
While much of their vision materialized,
they overlooked the complexities of
managing online spaces and ensuring equal access.

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CS234 <cs234@lhmerino.dont-email.me> wrote:

This thread is intended for the students of CS-234: Technologies for democratic society

How does Usenet fit into the vision presented by Licklider and Taylor in
"The Computer as a Communication Device"?

Reflect on:
- Which aspects of their vision are realized through Usenet?
- What aspects have evolved differently from what they imagined?

Feel free to respond to comments made by your classmates as well.

Licklider and Taylor envisioned computers as tools for real-time, interactive communication that would foster creativity and collaboration among geographically
dispersed users. Usenet partially fulfills this by allowing global discussions and
open participation, reflecting their idea of distributed communication with low barriers to entry. However, unlike their vision of dynamic, real-time interaction
with multimedia support, Usenet is limited to asynchronous, text-based exchanges.
It lacks the rich visual models and intelligent systems they believed would guide
and enhance complex problem-solving and decision-making. While Usenet captures some aspects of their vision, it falls short in interactivity and multimedia integration.

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CS234 <cs234@lhmerino.dont-email.me> wrote:

This thread is intended for the students of CS-234: Technologies for democratic society

How does Usenet fit into the vision presented by Licklider and Taylor in
"The Computer as a Communication Device"?

Reflect on:
- Which aspects of their vision are realized through Usenet?
- What aspects have evolved differently from what they imagined?

Feel free to respond to comments made by your classmates as well.

From : JHugentobler <jhugentobler@sba3.dont-email.me>

As stated in "The Computer as a Communication Device" text,
Licklider and Taylor describe a vision of communities bound by common interests which clearly something realized through Usenet.
Nevertheless it diverged from their vision by lacking the real-time interactivity
and multimedia richness they foresaw.

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Nail <laraqui@laraqui.dont-email.me> wrote:

CS234 <cs234@lhmerino.dont-email.me> wrote:

This thread is intended for the students of CS-234: Technologies for democratic society

How does Usenet fit into the vision presented by Licklider and Taylor in
"The Computer as a Communication Device"?

Reflect on:
- Which aspects of their vision are realized through Usenet?
- What aspects have evolved differently from what they imagined?

Feel free to respond to comments made by your classmates as well.

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CS234 <cs234@lhmerino.dont-email.me> wrote:

This thread is intended for the students of CS-234: Technologies for democratic society

How does Usenet fit into the vision presented by Licklider and Taylor in
"The Computer as a Communication Device"?

Reflect on:
- Which aspects of their vision are realized through Usenet?
- What aspects have evolved differently from what they imagined?

Feel free to respond to comments made by your classmates as well.

Usenet realized key aspects of Licklider and Taylor's vision by fostering global collaboration and decentralized information sharing. It enabled individuals from diverse backgrounds to connect through text-based newsgroups, creating interactive
communities where users could actively share knowledge, aligning with their idea of a network that transcended geographic boundaries. However, some aspects evolved differently than anticipated. Usenet lacked the real-time interactivity they emphasized,
as discussions were asynchronous, and it struggled with accessibility due to its technical complexity. Additionally, while they envisioned seamless, multimedia-rich communication, Usenet was initially text-only. The rise of more user-friendly, multimedia
platforms like the web eventually surpassed Usenet’s role in communication.

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