• feathering & no pencil above 200% view

    From bad sector@21:1/5 to All on Tue Nov 19 09:58:59 2024
    Two entirely separate issues:

    1
    I can't see pencil pixels above 200% view,
    could this be a RAM issue, both my laptop
    and desktop are affected (Linux, 16gb each)?


    2
    How do you GLOBALLY disable all forms of
    dithering, feathering, anti-aliasing and
    all such mixes?

    TIA

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  • From lisa@21:1/5 to forgetski@_INVALID.net on Wed Nov 20 12:01:02 2024
    On Tue, 19 Nov 2024 09:58:59 -0500, bad sector
    <forgetski@_INVALID.net> wrote:

    Two entirely separate issues:

    1
    I can't see pencil pixels above 200% view,
    could this be a RAM issue, both my laptop
    and desktop are affected (Linux, 16gb each)?


    can't reproduce it ( Linux Mint x64, 16 GB ) with the + and - keys
    scaling from 50% - 1100%.
    It's strange that 2 different computers have the same problem.
    Do you have special Pencil settings?


    2
    How do you GLOBALLY disable all forms of
    dithering, feathering, anti-aliasing and
    all such mixes?

    maybe somewhere in the preferences settings?

    TIA

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  • From bad sector@21:1/5 to lisa on Wed Nov 20 10:07:36 2024
    On 11/20/24 06:01, lisa wrote:
    On Tue, 19 Nov 2024 09:58:59 -0500, bad sector
    <forgetski@_INVALID.net> wrote:

    Two entirely separate issues:

    1
    I can't see pencil pixels above 200% view,
    could this be a RAM issue, both my laptop
    and desktop are affected (Linux, 16gb each)?


    can't reproduce it ( Linux Mint x64, 16 GB ) with the + and - keys
    scaling from 50% - 1100%.
    It's strange that 2 different computers have the same problem.
    Do you have special Pencil settings?


    2
    How do you GLOBALLY disable all forms of
    dithering, feathering, anti-aliasing and
    all such mixes?

    maybe somewhere in the preferences settings?


    just did it on my lenovo t480:
    https://imgur.com/lLsI77J.png
    can't draw a visible line @ 400%

    (I don't do +/-, only via view menu)

    will be back on my desktop late tonight only

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  • From lisa@21:1/5 to forgetski@_INVALID.net on Wed Nov 20 19:07:18 2024
    On Wed, 20 Nov 2024 10:07:36 -0500, bad sector
    <forgetski@_INVALID.net> wrote:

    On 11/20/24 06:01, lisa wrote:
    On Tue, 19 Nov 2024 09:58:59 -0500, bad sector
    <forgetski@_INVALID.net> wrote:

    Two entirely separate issues:

    1
    I can't see pencil pixels above 200% view,
    could this be a RAM issue, both my laptop
    and desktop are affected (Linux, 16gb each)?


    can't reproduce it ( Linux Mint x64, 16 GB ) with the + and - keys
    scaling from 50% - 1100%.
    It's strange that 2 different computers have the same problem.
    Do you have special Pencil settings?


    2
    How do you GLOBALLY disable all forms of
    dithering, feathering, anti-aliasing and
    all such mixes?

    maybe somewhere in the preferences settings?


    just did it on my lenovo t480:
    https://imgur.com/lLsI77J.png
    can't draw a visible line @ 400%

    maybe it's indeed a memory problem.
    I use 1600 * 1200 as standard template.
    Your template is 17020 * 11546.
    That's a big, very very big template.
    Using your specs give me this warning:

    Confirm image size
    You are trying to create an image
    with a size of 2,0 GB.
    An image of the chosen size will use more memory than
    what is configured as "Maximum new image size" in the
    Preferences dialog ( currently 75,5 MB ).

    ^^ ( my Gimp setting )

    Didn't try your template settings.

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  • From bad sector@21:1/5 to lisa on Wed Nov 20 20:12:07 2024
    On 11/20/24 13:07, lisa wrote:
    On Wed, 20 Nov 2024 10:07:36 -0500, bad sector
    <forgetski@_INVALID.net> wrote:

    On 11/20/24 06:01, lisa wrote:
    On Tue, 19 Nov 2024 09:58:59 -0500, bad sector
    <forgetski@_INVALID.net> wrote:

    Two entirely separate issues:

    1
    I can't see pencil pixels above 200% view,
    could this be a RAM issue, both my laptop
    and desktop are affected (Linux, 16gb each)?


    can't reproduce it ( Linux Mint x64, 16 GB ) with the + and - keys
    scaling from 50% - 1100%.
    It's strange that 2 different computers have the same problem.
    Do you have special Pencil settings?


    2
    How do you GLOBALLY disable all forms of
    dithering, feathering, anti-aliasing and
    all such mixes?

    maybe somewhere in the preferences settings?


    just did it on my lenovo t480:
    https://imgur.com/lLsI77J.png
    can't draw a visible line @ 400%

    maybe it's indeed a memory problem.
    I use 1600 * 1200 as standard template.
    Your template is 17020 * 11546.
    That's a big, very very big template.
    Using your specs give me this warning:

    Confirm image size
    You are trying to create an image
    with a size of 2,0 GB.
    An image of the chosen size will use more memory than
    what is configured as "Maximum new image size" in the
    Preferences dialog ( currently 75,5 MB ).

    ^^ ( my Gimp setting )

    Didn't try your template settings.

    Thanks, that does make sense. For some reason I was assuming that gimp
    was swappimg screenful images (working on a large wiring diagram).

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  • From Lawrence D'Oliveiro@21:1/5 to bad sector on Sat Nov 23 01:33:40 2024
    On Wed, 20 Nov 2024 20:12:07 -0500, bad sector wrote:

    ... (working on a large wiring diagram).

    Wouldn’t Inkscape be a better fit (scalable vector graphics) for such a
    use?

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  • From lisa@21:1/5 to ldo@nz.invalid on Sat Nov 23 09:26:41 2024
    On Sat, 23 Nov 2024 01:33:40 -0000 (UTC), Lawrence D'Oliveiro
    <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:

    On Wed, 20 Nov 2024 20:12:07 -0500, bad sector wrote:

    ... (working on a large wiring diagram).

    Wouldn’t Inkscape be a better fit (scalable vector graphics) for such a
    use?

    interesting idea. I would give it for sure a try. Sometimes you are
    fixed in the idea how to solve a problem.

    Working with this large diagrams you only have less as .1 %? of the
    diagram on your monitor. You can't really see what you are doing.
    How would you print a picture with this dimensions? The details are
    lost if you compress everything to A3 or even to A0 format I think.

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  • From Lawrence D'Oliveiro@21:1/5 to lisa on Mon Nov 25 23:38:13 2024
    On Sat, 23 Nov 2024 09:26:41 +0100, lisa wrote:

    How would you print a picture with this dimensions?

    Print in pieces and join them together.

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  • From lisa@21:1/5 to ldo@nz.invalid on Tue Nov 26 10:14:32 2024
    On Mon, 25 Nov 2024 23:38:13 -0000 (UTC), Lawrence D'Oliveiro
    <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:

    On Sat, 23 Nov 2024 09:26:41 +0100, lisa wrote:

    How would you print a picture with this dimensions?

    Print in pieces and join them together.

    hmmm, a thousend pieces puzzle and a too small table?
    Nice job for a windy day in your backgarden.

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  • From bad sector@21:1/5 to lisa on Tue Nov 26 07:08:24 2024
    On 11/26/24 04:14, lisa wrote:
    On Mon, 25 Nov 2024 23:38:13 -0000 (UTC), Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:

    On Sat, 23 Nov 2024 09:26:41 +0100, lisa wrote:

    How would you print a picture with this dimensions?

    Print in pieces and join them together.

    hmmm, a thousend pieces puzzle and a too small table?
    Nice job for a windy day in your backgarden.

    I've been with gimp since paintshop 3.x, don't need yet another learning
    curve although I've done a few steps with inkscape but don't really know
    if it could compete. With the precision of laser printers putting a
    mosaic together is a no-brainer, I've done guitar chord charts made from
    about 6-8 letter size sheets. As for wiring diagrams you should see some existing ones in shop manuals that are folded up up in 3-ring binders
    and can be laid out on much of a room's floor area.

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  • From Lawrence D'Oliveiro@21:1/5 to bad sector on Tue Nov 26 21:33:31 2024
    On Tue, 26 Nov 2024 07:08:24 -0500, bad sector wrote:

    I've been with gimp since paintshop 3.x, don't need yet another learning curve although I've done a few steps with inkscape but don't really know
    if it could compete.

    It works with vectors/geometry, not pixels. So shapes can scale up to
    arbitrary sizes and still look sharp, without creating enormous drawing
    files.

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  • From lisa@21:1/5 to forgetski@_INVALID.net on Wed Nov 27 19:54:25 2024
    On Tue, 26 Nov 2024 07:08:24 -0500, bad sector
    <forgetski@_INVALID.net> wrote:

    I've been with gimp since paintshop 3.x, don't need yet another learning >curve although I've done a few steps with inkscape but don't really know
    if it could compete.

    I could do calculations in notepad, but a spreadsheet works much
    better and easier. I had to transfer a .png to .svg and you can do
    that online. But the results are hopeless. I followed ( and recorded )
    some Inkscape how-to videos on a well know site and started trying and learning. Yep, another learning curve, but having more tools in your
    repertoire isn't bad.

    With the precision of laser printers putting a mosaic together is a no-brainer,

    laser cutters prefer sharp lines = vector lines not fluffy lines.

    As for wiring diagrams you should see some
    existing ones in shop manuals that are folded up up in 3-ring binders
    and can be laid out on much of a room's floor area.

    but not drawn or designed in GIMP.

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  • From bad sector@21:1/5 to Lawrence D'Oliveiro on Wed Nov 27 22:49:31 2024
    On 11/22/24 20:33, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
    On Wed, 20 Nov 2024 20:12:07 -0500, bad sector wrote:

    ... (working on a large wiring diagram).

    Wouldn’t Inkscape be a better fit (scalable vector graphics) for such a use?

    Real resolution being about 13k x 9k and many layers, this desktop
    wallpaper is really just a thumbnail and I don't see myself sweating all
    the vector formulae that would obviously be involved :-)

    https://imgur.com/PyPsAtk.png

    This is work in progress, the only thing I have to wrap my brain around
    are the wiring intricacies, don't need a new program to cram in addition
    (sans prejudice).

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  • From lisa@21:1/5 to forgetski@_INVALID.net on Thu Nov 28 14:43:20 2024
    On Wed, 27 Nov 2024 22:49:31 -0500, bad sector
    <forgetski@_INVALID.net> wrote:

    Real resolution being about 13k x 9k and many layers, this desktop
    wallpaper is really just a thumbnail and I don't see myself sweating all
    the vector formulae that would obviously be involved :-)

    working without layers would be horrible. Imaging you have to do this
    on an old school drawing table.

    https://imgur.com/PyPsAtk.png

    This is work in progress, the only thing I have to wrap my brain around
    are the wiring intricacies, don't need a new program to cram in addition >(sans prejudice).

    I understand why you have about 0 % motivation to learn a vector
    oriented program. Your brain is GIMP wired :D. And even working on a
    laptop screen, wow.

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  • From bad sector@21:1/5 to lisa on Thu Nov 28 10:08:21 2024
    On 11/28/24 08:43, lisa wrote:
    On Wed, 27 Nov 2024 22:49:31 -0500, bad sector
    <forgetski@_INVALID.net> wrote:

    Real resolution being about 13k x 9k and many layers, this desktop
    wallpaper is really just a thumbnail and I don't see myself sweating all
    the vector formulae that would obviously be involved :-)

    working without layers would be horrible. Imaging you have to do this
    on an old school drawing table.

    https://imgur.com/PyPsAtk.png

    This is work in progress, the only thing I have to wrap my brain around
    are the wiring intricacies, don't need a new program to cram in addition
    (sans prejudice).

    I understand why you have about 0 % motivation to learn a vector
    oriented program. Your brain is GIMP wired :D. And even working on a
    laptop screen, wow.

    I do most of it on my desktop but fill some blanks in on the laptop :-)

    This is a one-off deal just for myself, though I'll put it up public
    domain 'when done'. My gimpy brain wiring is a little more problematic especially with memory at my age, still as sharp as a razor blade but
    not much wider than its edge, hence the learning curve resistance (the
    bit about old dogs and new tricks).



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    sex, loot, and the freedom to pursue high ideals!

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  • From Lawrence D'Oliveiro@21:1/5 to bad sector on Mon Dec 2 00:06:07 2024
    On Wed, 27 Nov 2024 22:49:31 -0500, bad sector wrote:

    This is work in progress, the only thing I have to wrap my brain around
    are the wiring intricacies, don't need a new program to cram in addition

    Think of this project as a challenge to learn the new way of doing things.

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