I'm not especially a Smolnet fan I just want back the diversity of the
old internet days. Mono-cultures kill evolution.
yeti <yeti@tilde.institute> writes:
I'm not especially a Smolnet fan I just want back the diversity of
the old internet days. Mono-cultures kill evolution.
For not trashing comp.infosystems.gemini too much, I'll switch to <comp.infosystems> for non gemini-only topics.
_o/"
If you don't mind I changed the topic,
because I am interested for ingredients to form (a) smolnet(s),
consisting of different protocols, where users can stay in contact
with each other, while having a Gemini capsule, for example and then
can be reached via Bitmessage (and alternative to Usenet and email)
and can transfer files, chat etc., while not using the big players.
What I have not yet figured out is a simple option for file transfer,
without setting up a VPS server, same goes for chat. Maybe Onionshare
could be used.
Stefan Claas <pollux@tilde.club> writes:
If you don't mind I changed the topic,
No problem.
because I am interested for ingredients to form (a) smolnet(s),
consisting of different protocols, where users can stay in contact
with each other, while having a Gemini capsule, for example and then
can be reached via Bitmessage (and alternative to Usenet and email)
and can transfer files, chat etc., while not using the big players.
I think we weed a lightweight overlay network/mesh and therein SMTP
without all the new antispam measures would be an easy to set up
service. NNTP would allow many:may communication, even as a backend
for forums and wikis unless something better would show up.
What I have not yet figured out is a simple option for file
transfer, without setting up a VPS server, same goes for chat.
Maybe Onionshare could be used.
Hmmm... SCP/SFTP over Tor wouldn't be too hard and if ever an own
overlay network shows up, it hopefully wont be a problem there too.
SCP/SFTP automagically works over Tor if the local SSH config allows
it:
| (yeti@kumari:6)~$ sftp defiant.swarm
| Connected to defiant.swarm.
| sftp> _
Here .swarm addresses are SSH aliases to .onion addresses.
*** some few minutes of elevator music ***
Loosely related: I'll soon be homeless!
- When Tor switches to Rust, I'll ditch it.
- (C++-)I2P is an even bigger heavyweight in CPU load than Tor.
- Yggdrasil and other overlay networks seem to prefer Go, Rust or even
JS and often look like "The source is the protocol's RFC!"?
- TINC-VPN needs per endpoint configuration (one keypair per
connection), same for UUCP. So both don't fit my dream of an open
network/mesh.
Until a nice alternative to Tor surfaces, I'll better get used to be
homeless soon, at least when it comes to the question of hidden
services.
yeti wrote:
Maybe good old UUCP could be used for email, like in the past, and
Usenet too. Thus allowing people to run it from home, with the
help of free services like no-ip.com etc.?
Do you know why the Tor devs are swithing to Rust, after all the years?
Do they think they will have lesser bugs in the code ...?!
Stefan Claas <pollux@tilde.club> writes:
yeti wrote:
Maybe good old UUCP could be used for email, like in the past, and
Usenet too. Thus allowing people to run it from home, with the
help of free services like no-ip.com etc.?
UUCP isn't really P2P unless you configure each login for every peer.
Classic UUCP relied a lot on other's servers as hops between sender
and recipient. There is a config option for unknown systems, but I
cannot guess how to use it. In contrast to anonymous UUCP one would
need to know whom to reply to and that then again would need to set
up that connection. That still looks like config hell in a P2P case
to me.
Plain SMTP over some encrypted mesh would be far easier. That mesh
just has to be found.
Do you know why the Tor devs are swithing to Rust, after all the
years?
Do they think they will have lesser bugs in the code ...?!
They declare the C version being unmaintainable and praise Rust now.
I wonder how they communicated over the mesh ...
Stefan Claas wrote:
I wonder how they communicated over the mesh ...
I just ask AI and here is an IMHO very interesting
article (in German language).
https://nordvpn.com/de/blog/dateien-teilen-mit-meshnet/
When I think of mesh, I mean ...
- Open-Mesh » batman-adv
<https://www.open-mesh.org/projects/batman-adv/wiki>
- 802.11s
<https://oldwiki.archive.openwrt.org/doc/howto/mesh.80211s>
- Tinc-VPS's mesh feature
<https://www.tinc-vpn.org/>
But those all seem to be an administrative nightmare in a global
scale.
I can not install a large antenna, on top of the roof, of our house.
Stefan Claas <pollux@tilde.club> writes:
I can not install a large antenna, on top of the roof, of our house.
Meshs aren't limited to wireless transports. The self organising and
self reorganising (healing?) aspect help in the wired context too.
yeti wrote:
Meshs aren't limited to wireless transports. The self organising and
self reorganising (healing?) aspect help in the wired context too.
Ah, ok. I have added to my capsule my Telefax Nr.
I think nowadays a Fax machine can count as smolnet device too ... :-)
I may add my De-Mail address too, because for us Germans, De-Mail is a
cool smolnet too. :-D
Stefan Claas <pollux@tilde.club> writes:
yeti wrote:
Meshs aren't limited to wireless transports. The self organising
and self reorganising (healing?) aspect help in the wired context
too.
Ah, ok. I have added to my capsule my Telefax Nr.
Oh! I kept my last two old modems[0], but it just would have looked
too ridiculous to have a modem bigger than the computer it is
attached to and even the ZyXEL's powersupply would have been bigger
than a Pi in an own case. And even the younger 56k modem is bigger
than a Pi too, but in that case not the modems wall-wart too.
So I ordered two newer small USB modems and then my neighbours were
not in the mood for UUCP[2]. So after a few test runs the newer ones
went back into their boxes. :-/
I think nowadays a Fax machine can count as smolnet device too ...
:-)
Matt Parker mentioned "post-FAX era" and "alternative FAX" in one of
his videos[3]. Possibly the best "post-FAX era" jokes so far.
I really don't miss the paper->scanner->printer->paper era. But
looking what we can do with modems today may be fun, especially where
our landlines now typically are flat-rates.
Well, I ordered a USR 56K Fax modem about two years ago and have not
used it yet. Maybe we can cook up something cool with them ...
I guess I also need a new Raspi, because mine broke long time ago, when
I used him for mining e-Mark.
Flat-rates are a good argument to explore what can be done with modems nowadays. The initial goal was to use my little GPD MicroPC with the Faxmodem, when traveling, but I figured out also that a Surf-Stick for (encrypted) SMS (sending/receiving) is pretty cool, with
modem-manager-gui, under Linux.
Stefan Claas <pollux@tilde.club> writes:
Well, I ordered a USR 56K Fax modem about two years ago and have not
used it yet. Maybe we can cook up something cool with them ...
I've no fast and simple idea what to try first and I'm not in the mood
for security nightmare. Something based on allowing a login, maybe
with a BBS like thing instead of a shell, would be the easiest thing
to try.
Here I can restrict the modem port to dial-in only on the phone router
side and use a different port for dial-out via a 2nd modem connected
to other systems. Having the world conditioned to only call me via
mobile, there would be no conflict with the telephone.
Flat-rates are a good argument to explore what can be done with
modems nowadays. The initial goal was to use my little GPD MicroPC
with the Faxmodem, when traveling, but I figured out also that a
Surf-Stick for (encrypted) SMS (sending/receiving) is pretty cool,
with modem-manager-gui, under Linux.
I've two UMTS modems in the form of an USB stick and as a PCMCIA card
and currently no ideas for them. If the other modem ideas turn out to
be nice, adding dial-in via 2G or better may be cheap. Or would data
volume count for the called side of a connection too?
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