• Re: Ok I made a joke, sorry (e: 2nd Cognitive Turn ~~> no Bayesian Brai

    From Mild Shock@21:1/5 to Mild Shock on Sat Aug 3 23:55:58 2024
    BTW: Friedrich Ueberweg is quite good
    and funny to browse, he reports relatively
    unfiltered what we would nowadays call

    forms of "rational behaviour", so its a little
    pot purry, except for his sections where he
    explains some schemas, like the Aristotelan

    figures, which are more pure logic of the form.
    And peng you get a guy talking pages and
    pages about pure and form:

    "Pure" logic, ontology, and phenomenology
    David Woodruff Smith https://www.cairn.info/revue-internationale-de-philosophie-2003-2-page-21.htm

    But the above is a from species of philosophy
    that is endangered now. Its predator are
    abstractions on the computer like lambda

    calculus and the Curry Howard isomorphism. The
    revue has become an irrelevant cabarett, only
    dead people would be interested in, like

    may father, grandfather etc...

    Mild Shock schrieb:

    My impression Cognitive Science was never
    Bayesian Brain, so I guess I made a joke.

    The time scale, its start in 1950s and that
    it is still relative unknown subject,

    would explain:
    - why my father or mother never tried to
      educated me towards cognitive science.
      It could be that they are totally blank
      in this respect?

    - why my grandfather or grandmothers never
      tried to educate me towards cognitive
      science. Dito It could be that they are totally
      blank in this respect?

    - it could be that there are rare cases where
      some philosophers had already a glimps of
      cognitive science. But when I open for
      example this booklet:

    System der Logic
    Friedrich Ueberweg
    Bonn - 1868
    https://philpapers.org/rec/UEBSDL

      One can feel the dry swimming that is reported
      for several millennia.  What happened in the
      1950s was the possibility of computer modelling.

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  • From Mild Shock@21:1/5 to David Woodruff Smith on Sun Aug 4 00:14:45 2024
    David Woodruff Smith writes:
    And "cognitive science" has recently pursued
    the relation of intentional mental activities
    to neural processes in the brain.

    I call this bullshit. He confuses cognitive
    science with some sort of Neuroscience and/or
    connectionist approaches.

    Some broader working definition
    of cognitive science is for example:

    Cognitive science is an interdisciplinary
    science that deals with the processing of
    information in the context of perception,
    thinking and decision-making processes,
    both in humans and in animals or machines.

    You see how much philosophy is behind.
    David Woodruff Smith published the
    paper in 2003? I don't think there are any

    excuses for his nonsense definition.
    Especially if one writes about pure form.
    This is so idiotic.

    Mild Shock schrieb:

    BTW: Friedrich Ueberweg is quite good
    and funny to browse, he reports relatively
    unfiltered what we would nowadays call

    forms of "rational behaviour", so its a little
    pot purry, except for his sections where he
    explains some schemas, like the Aristotelan

    figures, which are more pure logic of the form.
    And peng you get a guy talking pages and
    pages about pure and form:

    "Pure" logic, ontology, and phenomenology
    David Woodruff Smith https://www.cairn.info/revue-internationale-de-philosophie-2003-2-page-21.htm


    But the above is a from species of philosophy
    that is endangered now. Its predator are
    abstractions on the computer like lambda

    calculus and the Curry Howard isomorphism. The
    revue has become an irrelevant cabarett, only
    dead people would be interested in, like

    may father, grandfather etc...

    Mild Shock schrieb:

    My impression Cognitive Science was never
    Bayesian Brain, so I guess I made a joke.

    The time scale, its start in 1950s and that
    it is still relative unknown subject,

    would explain:
    - why my father or mother never tried to
       educated me towards cognitive science.
       It could be that they are totally blank
       in this respect?

    - why my grandfather or grandmothers never
       tried to educate me towards cognitive
       science. Dito It could be that they are totally
       blank in this respect?

    - it could be that there are rare cases where
       some philosophers had already a glimps of
       cognitive science. But when I open for
       example this booklet:

    System der Logic
    Friedrich Ueberweg
    Bonn - 1868
    https://philpapers.org/rec/UEBSDL

       One can feel the dry swimming that is reported
       for several millennia.  What happened in the
       1950s was the possibility of computer modelling.



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