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  • Re: apparently comp.arch, comp.lang.c++, and com.lang.fortran are now r

    From James Kuyper@21:1/5 to George Neuner on Wed Nov 1 14:52:41 2023
    On 10/31/23 22:31, George Neuner wrote:
    On Tue, 31 Oct 2023 17:32:11 -0500, Lynn McGuire
    <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> wrote:

    Apparently comp.arch, comp.lang.c++, and comp.lang.fortran are now
    read only at google groups to stop the spam floods.

    Lynn

    You mean the spam floods that Google openly condones and possibly also facilitates in order to promote its own group services?

    How exactly is that supposed to work? What are the group services that
    it's promoting, and how does make it's own news feed unreadable serve to promote them?

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  • From James Kuyper@21:1/5 to Joe Pfeiffer on Wed Nov 1 14:53:36 2023
    On 11/1/23 14:14, Joe Pfeiffer wrote:
    John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> writes:

    According to Joe Pfeiffer <pfeiffer@cs.nmsu.edu>:
    Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> writes:

    Apparently comp.arch, comp.lang.c++, and comp.lang.fortran are now
    read only at google groups to stop the spam floods.

    No, I'm reading through Eternal September.

    That's "read only" as in they don't let people post new articles.

    People continue to read those groups all over the place. You
    couldn't stop if if you wanted to.

    Ummm.... so they allow followups but not new topics?

    No, GG no longer allow posting new messages, or follow-ups to those
    newsgroups. The only new messages you see on GG were posted elsewhere.

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  • From James Kuyper@21:1/5 to Joe Pfeiffer on Wed Nov 1 23:35:41 2023
    On 11/1/23 19:22, Joe Pfeiffer wrote:
    Retro Guy <retroguy@novabbs.org> writes:
    ...
    You can post from anywhere you want that carries the group, you just
    can't post from google groups

    Ah, OK. When I originally posted that I was reading from e-s, it was
    pointed out to me that I couldn't post. Which seemed very odd, under the circumstances.

    You misunderstood. No one said you couldn't post to eternal-september.

    On 11/1/23 09:03, John Levine wrote:
    According to Joe Pfeiffer <pfeiffer@cs.nmsu.edu>:
    Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> writes:

    Apparently comp.arch, comp.lang.c++, and comp.lang.fortran are now
    read only at google groups to stop the spam floods.

    Notice: "at Google Groups", he didn't say anything about
    eternal-september's policies.


    No, I'm reading through Eternal September.

    That's "read only" as in they don't let people post new articles.

    "they" refers to Google, it doesn't apply to eternal-september.

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  • From James Kuyper@21:1/5 to red floyd on Thu Nov 2 01:41:31 2023
    On 11/2/23 01:05, red floyd wrote:
    On 11/1/2023 5:40 AM, Joe Pfeiffer wrote:

    No, I'm reading through Eternal September. Blocking posts with Thai
    characters eliminates nearly all of the flood for me (but geez, it's
    awful that it's necessary).


    Anybody know can you do that blocking with Thunderbird?

    Not in that way, but you can block any post whose subject contains a
    particular Thai character. By the time I'd selected six such characters,
    no Thai subjects were getting through my filter. Someone else identified
    the single most frequent Thai letter, and found that a single filter on
    that letter was sufficient (much as searching for 'e' would do a good
    job of blocking all message using the Latin alphabet).

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  • From BGB@21:1/5 to Jack on Sat Nov 4 02:18:17 2023
    On 11/1/2023 5:55 PM, Jack wrote:
    On 01/11/2023 21:31, Stephen Fuld wrote:

    There has been some confusion in this thread recently.  Anyone with an
    account can read and post messages using Eternal September.  The "read
    only" is apparently just Google Groups. That is, anyone can read any
    article through Google Groups, but no one can post new articles nor
    replies to the group using Google Groups.




    There is another server called "paganini.bofh.team". You don't need an account but spam is not allowed. People abusing the server will have
    their IP address blocked.


    IP blocking is a bit questionable though in this era of ISP grade NAT
    and similar (say, the IP address they see on their cable modem is
    10.x.x.x; with some other IP address visible to the outside world), and
    with a dynamic external IP address.

    So, if one person is posting spam with a given ISP, then blocking fails
    to block the spammer (as their external IP keeps changing), but will
    ultimately end up blocking random other people who happen to have their
    traffic routed through an IP address which was previously used for
    spamming (well, at least until their ISP causes their connections to
    jump over to some other IP address that hasn't been blocked yet).

    ...


    It seems like a strategy that mostly (only) really makes sense in a
    context where one assumes that each node has a statically-assigned
    global IP address.

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