wij <wyniijj5@gmail.com> wrote in news:84a14f68b0a1ebc383cda00624be28f003e7450f.camel@gmail.com:

I just surveyed a local book store for computers: Among the Top100 in 30 days, the most books is for AI using Python. C++? zero. 

Actually, I am not surprised. It seems C++ is the play ground of "C++ inventor's" ideal, which is proven not very useful (or more problems
than its benefits, practically).

Almost every job of my career required C++. AI is not trusted in my
industry.

If you have little use for C++, find something that suits you and your target problems. Recommending others to ignore it is nieve at best.

Best of luck to you in your career.

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On 29.08.2024 06:35, geodandw wrote:

On 8/28/24 21:28, Chris M. Thomasson wrote:

On 8/27/2024 8:04 PM, wij wrote:

I just surveyed a local book store for computers: Among the Top100 in
30 days,
the most books is for AI using Python. C++? zero.

It's funny when the runtime for certain langs are written in C++?

Actually, I am not surprised. It seems C++ is the play ground of "C++
inventor's" ideal,
which is proven not very useful (or more problems than its benefits,
practically).

Isn't most written in C?

The original claim was "the most books is for AI using Python. C++? zero."

It looks like some people do not know the AI support in Python is all
written in C++. Some people must write it and maintain it, so the masses
can use it via Python.

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wij wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:

I just surveyed a local book store for computers: Among the Top100 in 30 days, the most books is for AI using Python. C++? zero. 

Actually, I am not surprised. It seems C++ is the play ground of "C++ inventor's" ideal, which is proven not very useful (or more problems than its benefits, practically).

1.5/10 on the troll-o-meter.

--
A tall, dark stranger will have more fun than you.

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On 29.08.2024 22:37, Chris M. Thomasson wrote:

On 8/29/2024 2:01 AM, Bonita Montero wrote:

Am 29.08.2024 um 05:35 schrieb geodandw:

On 8/28/24 21:28, Chris M. Thomasson wrote:

On 8/27/2024 8:04 PM, wij wrote:

I just surveyed a local book store for computers: Among the Top100
in 30 days,
the most books is for AI using Python. C++? zero.

It's funny when the runtime for certain langs are written in C++?

Actually, I am not surprised. It seems C++ is the play ground of
"C++ inventor's" ideal,
which is proven not very useful (or more problems than its
benefits, practically).

Isn't most written in C?

The Java-VM and the native Code inside the Java Runtime are written in
C++.

C is still nice wrt creating the API's for libraries. The library itself
can be written in C++. However, it uses C for its exposed API.

+1, having a C API often saves the day.

But technically, you do not need to write any C code for implementing a
C API. C++ functions declared as extern "C" and using C-compatible
parameter types do just fine.

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Chris M. Thomasson writes:

On 8/27/2024 8:04 PM, wij wrote:

I just surveyed a local book store for computers: Among the Top100 in 30
days,
the most books is for AI using Python. C++? zero.

It's funny when the runtime for certain langs are written in C++?

Which C++ would that be?

Those certain languages predate C++11, I believe, so most of them would
still, unfortunately, be written in pre-c++11, before work started on
solving C++'s biggest drawback: that it was too complicated and hard to understand. Now, after over a decade of tireless work, everyone can finally agree that C++ has now been simplified to the point that anyone can master
the language, in a very short period of time.

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On Wed, 28 Aug 2024 11:04:59 +0800, wij <wyniijj5@gmail.com> wrote:

I just surveyed a local book store for computers: Among the Top100 in 30 days, >the most books is for AI using Python. C++? zero.�

Actually, I am not surprised. It seems C++ is the play ground of "C++ inventor's" ideal,
which is proven not very useful (or more problems than its benefits, practically).

Frankly in the modern world bookstores are pretty much irrelevant to
assesing how people are using computers

https://www.statista.com/statistics/793628/worldwide-developer-survey-most-used-languages/
suggests that C++ is still top 10 (and includes HTML/CSS and SQL which
are arguably not really programming languages, if you remove them then
it moves up a couple of spots)

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On Wed, 28 Aug 2024 18:29:42 -0700, "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> wrote:

On 8/28/2024 8:13 PM, Ross Finlayson wrote:

On 08/28/2024 04:36 AM, David LaRue wrote:

wij <wyniijj5@gmail.com> wrote in
news:84a14f68b0a1ebc383cda00624be28f003e7450f.camel@gmail.com:

I just surveyed a local book store for computers: Among the Top100 in 30 >>>> days, the most books is for AI using Python. C++? zero.�

Actually, I am not surprised. It seems C++ is the play ground of "C++
inventor's" ideal, which is proven not very useful (or more problems
than its benefits, practically).

Almost every job of my career required C++.� AI is not trusted in my
industry.

If you have little use for C++, find something that suits you and your
target
problems.� Recommending others to ignore it is nieve at best.

Best of luck to you in your career.

AI is not necessarily "sell the business to an unknown
agent hiding in an arithmetized/algebraized information
model guaranteeing neither accuracy nor provenance".

[...]

Oh yeah. Let the AI write code, then you are going to make sure it did
not make a mistake?

Look, just because lawyers have been dragged over the coals for
tabling motions with non-existant cases referenced by AI is no reason
to suspect that AI code could have any problems

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On 30.08.2024 10:22, Mad Hamish wrote:

On Wed, 28 Aug 2024 11:04:59 +0800, wij <wyniijj5@gmail.com> wrote:

I just surveyed a local book store for computers: Among the Top100 in 30 days,
the most books is for AI using Python. C++? zero.

Actually, I am not surprised. It seems C++ is the play ground of "C++ inventor's" ideal,
which is proven not very useful (or more problems than its benefits, practically).

Frankly in the modern world bookstores are pretty much irrelevant to
assesing how people are using computers

The last dead-tree C++ book I bought for myself was: А. И. Касаткин, А.
Н. Вальвачев "От Turbo C к Borland C++", 1992.

The last dead-tree C++ book I bought for the company book-shelf was: "Accelerated C++: Practical Programming by Example" by Andrew Koenig,
Mike Hendrickson, Barbara Moo, 2000.

So you might have a point here.

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On 30.08.2024 10:24, Mad Hamish wrote:

On Wed, 28 Aug 2024 18:29:42 -0700, "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> wrote:

On 8/28/2024 8:13 PM, Ross Finlayson wrote:

On 08/28/2024 04:36 AM, David LaRue wrote:

wij <wyniijj5@gmail.com> wrote in
news:84a14f68b0a1ebc383cda00624be28f003e7450f.camel@gmail.com:

I just surveyed a local book store for computers: Among the Top100 in 30 >>>>> days, the most books is for AI using Python. C++? zero.Â

Actually, I am not surprised. It seems C++ is the play ground of "C++ >>>>> inventor's" ideal, which is proven not very useful (or more problems >>>>> than its benefits, practically).

Almost every job of my career required C++.  AI is not trusted in my
industry.

If you have little use for C++, find something that suits you and your >>>> target
problems.  Recommending others to ignore it is nieve at best.

Best of luck to you in your career.

AI is not necessarily "sell the business to an unknown
agent hiding in an arithmetized/algebraized information
model guaranteeing neither accuracy nor provenance".

[...]

Oh yeah. Let the AI write code, then you are going to make sure it did
not make a mistake?

Look, just because lawyers have been dragged over the coals for
tabling motions with non-existant cases referenced by AI is no reason
to suspect that AI code could have any problems

There is also no reason to suspect it would not have any problems.

So far the most adequate description of the state of the current AI is
provided by this infographics: https://xkcd.com/1838/

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On 8/29/24 20:33, Sam wrote:

Chris M. Thomasson writes:

On 8/27/2024 8:04 PM, wij wrote:

I just surveyed a local book store for computers: Among the Top100 in
30 days,
the most books is for AI using Python. C++? zero.

It's funny when the runtime for certain langs are written in C++?

Which C++ would that be?

Those certain languages predate C++11, I believe, so most of them would still, unfortunately, be written in pre-c++11, before work started on
solving C++'s biggest drawback: that it was too complicated and hard to understand. Now, after over a decade of tireless work, everyone can
finally agree that C++ has now been simplified to the point that anyone
can master the language, in a very short period of time.

Really? I will have to look into C++ again. I may have been misled by
looking at open source code like folly where I had to suppress my
"OMG, kill it! Kill it with fire!" reaction. There just seemed to
be way more complexity than one would reasonably expect.

Joe Seigh

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On 8/28/24 21:29, Chris M. Thomasson wrote:

Oh yeah. Let the AI write code, then you are going to make sure it did
not make a mistake?

As long as it did not screw up as much as human programmers. I had way
too much job security fixing code written by hot shot programmers. It
was still crappy code as I couldn't do complete redesign or rework in
most cases as the pain level to management caused by the bad code wasn't
high enough. I could have saved them serious money in cloud costs
otherwise.

Joe Seigh

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On 28/08/2024 04:04, wij wrote:

I just surveyed a local book store for computers: Among the Top100 in 30 days,
the most books is for AI using Python. C++? zero.

Actually, I am not surprised. It seems C++ is the play ground of "C++ inventor's" ideal,
which is proven not very useful (or more problems than its benefits, practically).

I think I have a C book somewhere. I have one on Pascal I can see, and
several different assemblers. But C++? Nope. There are really good
online references that I use when I need them. It's paper that's on the
way out, not C++.

I'm sure you read the news. Do you get a newspaper?

Andy

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