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  • Re: OT: Wow! ZOC!!

    From Mike Sanders@21:1/5 to Kenny McCormack on Thu Sep 28 06:47:24 2023
    Kenny McCormack <gazelle@shell.xmission.com> wrote:

    Wow! Haven't heard anything about ZOC in decades. Does it still exist?
    In what form? What has it evolved into?
    (Just out of curiosity, why *did* you mention it here?)

    Dude you should see it these days! Even custom scripting using REXX
    (popular on IBM mainframes, really great under Windows whitch seems
    to lack anything worth using scriptwise natively):

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rexx

    Well, this whole *debacle* (I always wanted my own debacle!) caused
    a spat of emails on my end & since I was anwsering them here, I
    included a question from a gentleman (who should consider posting
    - sorry if you're reading), but is maybe a little reluctant to do
    so, or then again, maybe he's right on the money. Anyhow, he wants
    ZMODEM xfer protocol.

    Note: I used ZOC way back when in OS/2 days - for serial comms only.
    Nobody uses serial anymore (and if they did, all you need is screen(1)),
    so is there any point in ZOC anymore?

    I use it as it has a tabbed interface, & more options than I could ever
    use.

    Funny you should mention serial coms... my 1st NIX was Minix. Went out &
    built a barebones serial cable myself, took me 4 attempts to get it right.
    Then I was logging into my Minix boxen from DOS using Kermit, & daydreaming
    of being an 'admin'. Man such a great time...

    Note; I really liked it - back in OS/2 days, so don't take any of this as slagging it or as negativity.

    OS/2! Just a little before my time. Always thought it looked pretty powerful compared to Windows.

    Nah its all good Kenny. Nice to hear from you again. I see you're still out
    in the world & kicking. I've learned *alot* from your posts over the years...

    --
    :wq
    Mike Sanders

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  • From Kenny McCormack@21:1/5 to Mike Sanders on Fri Sep 29 03:50:51 2023
    In article <uf37hs$3ins4$1@dont-email.me>,
    Mike Sanders <porkchop@invalid.foo> wrote:
    Kenny McCormack <gazelle@shell.xmission.com> wrote:

    Wow! Haven't heard anything about ZOC in decades. Does it still exist?
    In what form? What has it evolved into?
    (Just out of curiosity, why *did* you mention it here?)

    Dude you should see it these days! Even custom scripting using REXX
    (popular on IBM mainframes, really great under Windows whitch seems
    to lack anything worth using scriptwise natively):

    I've never been at all impressed with/by REXX. Back when OS/2 was a thing, they were always raving about it (and how great it is), but it always
    looked ugly to me.

    You could say that REXX is (was) JCL done right, but it is still JCL.
    I.e., if you come from an IBM mainframe background (as a lot of OS/2'ers
    did), and are used to less-than-great things like JCL, then REXX looks
    great. But if you're coming from a Unix background, where good (and
    sometimes wonderful) scripting languages are common, then REXX looks like, well, not-so-great.

    Well, this whole *debacle* (I always wanted my own debacle!) caused
    a spat of emails on my end & since I was anwsering them here, I
    included a question from a gentleman (who should consider posting
    - sorry if you're reading), but is maybe a little reluctant to do
    so, or then again, maybe he's right on the money. Anyhow, he wants
    ZMODEM xfer protocol.

    I don't understand this paragraph, but no matter.

    Note: I used ZOC way back when in OS/2 days - for serial comms only.
    Nobody uses serial anymore (and if they did, all you need is screen(1)),
    so is there any point in ZOC anymore?

    I use it as it has a tabbed interface, & more options than I could ever
    use.

    Do you run it under MS Windows, then?

    Anyway, I may check ZOC out again - just for old times sake. I don't do
    much with Windows anymore, though. Pretty much all Linux (and thus X
    windows).

    Nah its all good Kenny. Nice to hear from you again. I see you're still out >in the world & kicking. I've learned *alot* from your posts over the years...

    I'm here all week.

    --
    Faith doesn't give you the answers; it just stops you from asking the questions.

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  • From Mike Sanders@21:1/5 to Kenny McCormack on Fri Sep 29 19:04:56 2023
    Kenny McCormack <gazelle@shell.xmission.com> wrote:

    I've never been at all impressed with/by REXX. Back when OS/2 was a thing, they were always raving about it (and how great it is), but it always
    looked ugly to me.

    Oh yeah. As far as theses things go, it beats powershell IMO.

    You could say that REXX is (was) JCL done right, but it is still JCL.
    I.e., if you come from an IBM mainframe background (as a lot of OS/2'ers did), and are used to less-than-great things like JCL, then REXX looks
    great. But if you're coming from a Unix background, where good (and sometimes wonderful) scripting languages are common, then REXX looks like, well, not-so-great.

    Must google JCL, I know nothing of it...

    I don't understand this paragraph, but no matter.

    No biggie =)

    Do you run it under MS Windows, then?

    Sure enough, but under Linux/BSD you wouldn't need it.

    I'm here all week.

    Good deal.

    --
    :wq
    Mike Sanders

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