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  • Topicality: Who really cares? (Was: Every D(D) simulated by H presents

    From Kenny McCormack@21:1/5 to acm@muc.de on Mon May 20 17:45:22 2024
    XPost: comp.theory

    In article <v2fujf$v0$1@news.muc.de>, Alan Mackenzie <acm@muc.de> wrote:
    ...
    Rest of post deleted, because it is wrong on so many levels, starting with >> the legal opinions expressed therein. Do not have time to go through it
    point-by-point, but clearly, do not rely on this guy for legal (or any
    other kind of) advice.

    One thing David got right is that allegations of criminal activity do not >belong in either of the two newsgroups cross-posted to. They're
    off-topic, whatever else they may be.

    That much I will agree with you on, but I think the topicality ship has
    sailed. It's kind of a lost cause arguing about it, and, for that matter,
    I don't really think it is now (if it ever was) the magic bullet that those
    who hurl it think it is.

    Ever since Keith the Enforcer stopped worrying about it, it has pretty much ceased to be an issue in this NG.

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  • From David Brown@21:1/5 to Kenny McCormack on Tue May 21 11:36:33 2024
    XPost: comp.theory

    On 20/05/2024 19:45, Kenny McCormack wrote:
    In article <v2fujf$v0$1@news.muc.de>, Alan Mackenzie <acm@muc.de> wrote:
    ...
    Rest of post deleted, because it is wrong on so many levels, starting with >>> the legal opinions expressed therein. Do not have time to go through it >>> point-by-point, but clearly, do not rely on this guy for legal (or any
    other kind of) advice.

    One thing David got right is that allegations of criminal activity do not
    belong in either of the two newsgroups cross-posted to. They're
    off-topic, whatever else they may be.

    That much I will agree with you on, but I think the topicality ship has sailed. It's kind of a lost cause arguing about it, and, for that matter,
    I don't really think it is now (if it ever was) the magic bullet that those who hurl it think it is.


    Every thread olcott has started or cross-posted in c.l.c and c.l.c++ has
    been off-topic for those groups, and lead to massive and mostly moronic
    and repetitive threads. I agree that trying to stop these "what is the definition of H?" pantomime sub-threads is a lost cause.

    But that is not what I was arguing against.

    Ever since Keith the Enforcer stopped worrying about it, it has pretty much ceased to be an issue in this NG.


    Some regulars in c.l.c. (and neighbouring c.l.c++) are happy with a
    wider range of topics, some want it more focused. Personally, I think
    it's better to have a bit more variety and some off-topic discussions
    than for the group to be too empty. But some types of post are always inappropriate.

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  • From Kenny McCormack@21:1/5 to news@immibis.com on Tue May 21 17:16:32 2024
    XPost: comp.theory

    In article <v2ih2b$lqek$2@dont-email.me>, immibis <news@immibis.com> wrote: >On 21/05/24 17:48, James Kuyper wrote:
    It also doesn't apply outside the legal system. If you actually
    witnessed a crime, you're not required to pretend that the perpetrator
    is innocent, and if you've witnessed something exonerating, you're not
    required to accept the decision of a court that incorrectly found
    someone guilty.

    In Germany you may be required to. Implying that someone committed a
    crime which a court found them innocent of may be considered defamation
    or insult.

    I think you are beginning to get why it is a bad idea to be discussing
    legal issues on an international forum like this one. It all depends on jurisdiction. So, anyone who makes sweeping statements like "Innocent
    until proven guilty" is making a bad assumption that all jurisdictions are
    the same - the same as the one(s) with which the speaker is familiar.

    Also, even in Germany, they can't control people's thoughts. You are
    still not required to *accept* trial court results. You can think what you want; you just (apparently) can't talk about it.

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