On 2024-06-26, Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> wrote:
I think we can nickname it Miller, because it's Genuine Daft.
What is that "Miller" referring to?
"Miller Genuine Draft" is a kind of horse urine marketed as beer.
On 26.06.2024 12:55, Kaz Kylheku wrote:
On 2024-06-26, Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com>
wrote:
I think we can nickname it Miller, because it's Genuine Daft.
What is that "Miller" referring to?
"Miller Genuine Draft" is a kind of horse urine marketed as beer.
*shudder*
Glad we have here, where I live, something called "Reinheitsgebot" [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reinheitsgebot] and also a history
of quality beer, of course. :-)
Janis
On Wed, 26 Jun 2024 13:20:58 +0200
Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> wrote:
Glad we have here, where I live, something called "Reinheitsgebot"
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reinheitsgebot] and also a history
of quality beer, of course. :-)
I am not sure whether it is off topic or on topic, since it is about advantages of not following standards very strictly.
According to my understanding, beers that *do not* follow
"Reinheitsgebot" today are very popular in Germany.
I don't know
whether they are more popular than those that do follow it, or a little
less popular, but at very least they are close.
All those Weißbier of the Souths and Berliner Weisse of the North...
And that's even before we consider raising popularity of
foreign styles, esp. of IPA and stouts. IPA would be almost legal
by strict Reinheitsgebot, but only almost. Stouts can be in theory
produced in strict Reinheitsgebot manner, but I don't believe
that it is done by any modern German manufacturer.
On the other hand, mass market American lagers probably follow "Reinheitsgebot" rather closely, Bud a little less so, Miller a little
more so. Which still does not make them decent drinks in the eyes of
pundits and even of non-pundit like myself.
On 26.06.2024 12:55, Kaz Kylheku wrote:
On 2024-06-26, Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> wrote: >>>> I think we can nickname it Miller, because it's Genuine Daft.
What is that "Miller" referring to?
"Miller Genuine Draft" is a kind of horse urine marketed as beer.
*shudder*
Glad we have here, where I live, something called "Reinheitsgebot" >[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reinheitsgebot] and also a history
of quality beer, of course. :-)
Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> writes:
On 26.06.2024 12:55, Kaz Kylheku wrote:
On 2024-06-26, Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com>
wrote:
I think we can nickname it Miller, because it's Genuine Daft.
What is that "Miller" referring to?
"Miller Genuine Draft" is a kind of horse urine marketed as beer.
*shudder*
Glad we have here, where I live, something called "Reinheitsgebot" >[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reinheitsgebot] and also a history
of quality beer, of course. :-)
German bier is good, I prefer guinness or Abbots Ale myself.
On Wed, 26 Jun 2024 16:26:26 GMT
scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) wrote:
Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> writes:
On 26.06.2024 12:55, Kaz Kylheku wrote: =20=20
On 2024-06-26, Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com>
wrote: =20
=20I think we can nickname it Miller, because it's Genuine Daft. =20
What is that "Miller" referring to? =20
"Miller Genuine Draft" is a kind of horse urine marketed as beer. =20
*shudder*
Glad we have here, where I live, something called "Reinheitsgebot"
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reinheitsgebot] and also a history
of quality beer, of course. :-) =20
German bier is good, I prefer guinness or Abbots Ale myself.
Do they sell Kozel =C4=8Cern=C3=BD in California?
On 26.06.2024 14:54, Michael S wrote:
On Wed, 26 Jun 2024 13:20:58 +0200
Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> wrote:
Glad we have here, where I live, something called "Reinheitsgebot"
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reinheitsgebot] and also a history
of quality beer, of course. :-)
I am not sure whether it is off topic or on topic, since it is about advantages of not following standards very strictly.
Hmm.., okay. - But there's definitely no vitamin "C" in beer. :-}
According to my understanding, beers that *do not* follow
"Reinheitsgebot" today are very popular in Germany.
Frankly, I cannot tell, I have no numbers or statistical information.
WRT popularity of (specifically Bavarian) beer I hear more about the
global preference; it seems that Bavarian beer is still appreciated
worldwide - if the rumors are true and the reports based on facts not
myths or so. And rightly so. :-)
But you should know that there's many many breweries, large and small
ones in Bavaria. And every beer has it's own taste. A few are (or had
been) of relatively bad quality and were often depreciatively titled
and avoided. Generally the quality is, of course, excellent. ;-)
But since it's a matter of taste we can spare us religious wars about
what being the best; we have more than enough choices that everyone
can choose what fits best to him or her. (And we also have the mass
market for those who don't care or care less, or who just don't have
access to other sources.)
In Germany it's noteworthy to know that - again AFAICT - the most
beer is sold by few larger companies (and not in Bavaria).
WRT the Reinheitsgebot; the truth, AFAICT, is that none of the beers
we have here today conform to the (original) Reinheitsgebot any more;
there's some ingredients necessary and generally used today that don't conform. But the Reinheitsgebot is also no formal law; it's informally
a statement in advertisement (but mostly not even mentioned any more).
What matters more are the generally valid and quite strict food laws
(and no one speaks about those as well; they are just standard).
I don't know
whether they are more popular than those that do follow it, or a
little less popular, but at very least they are close.
All those Weißbier of the Souths and Berliner Weisse of the North...
And that's even before we consider raising popularity of
foreign styles, esp. of IPA and stouts. IPA would be almost legal
by strict Reinheitsgebot, but only almost. Stouts can be in theory
produced in strict Reinheitsgebot manner, but I don't believe
that it is done by any modern German manufacturer.
There's some "foreign" (from German perspective) beer that has indeed
a market here and in other countries (Budweiser or Heinecken comes to
mind); I'm not sure whether it is because of some marketing, just hip
because it's been seen in some film, or really good. It's beer that is
also sold worldwide (by big companies). I tried some of them (and some
were okay) but given the choices I have certainly other preferences.
On the other hand, mass market American lagers probably follow "Reinheitsgebot" rather closely, Bud a little less so, Miller a
little more so. Which still does not make them decent drinks in the
eyes of pundits and even of non-pundit like myself.
Wasn't "Bud" (if you mean the abbreviated form of "Budweiser") a beer
from the Czech Republic? (Since you mentioned American beers here?)
Hereabouts the common opinion on US American beer is not too good;
it's often - sorry guys! - disrespectfully declassified as dishwater.
As an anecdotal end; I was once inspecting the menu card of a London
pub (there was a Nethack meeting planned) and was astonished to find
an Aventinus on the card, a "heavy" dark beer from a comparably small Bavarian brewery (Bavarian oldest Weißbier brewery). So even smaller breweries occasionally spread.
Habe die Ehre und Prost!
Janis
On Wed, 26 Jun 2024 17:32:01 +0200
Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> wrote:
There's some "foreign" (from German perspective) beer [...]
When I wrote "foreign-style" rather than "foreign" I meant [...]
Wasn't "Bud" (if you mean the abbreviated form of "Budweiser") a beer
from the Czech Republic? (Since you mentioned American beers here?)
I would think that when people say Bud they pretty much always mean
American mass market Budweiser beer rather then Czech beer with
similar name (Budějovický Budvar).
German bier is good, I prefer guinness or Abbots Ale myself.
On 26.06.2024 18:26, Scott Lurndal wrote:
German bier is good, I prefer guinness or Abbots Ale myself.
I have no objection to Guinness, I just rarely see it here,
but I'm sure you can find it if you look for it. Abbots Ale
I just don't know.
Just wanted to emphasize that there's no general "German bier"
(or only as a generalization that ignores the manifold sorts).
It may fit for "German beer is [with exceptions] very good.".
(Frankly, there's also a few really awful beer products.)
Unfortunately, last time I was actually in Munchen I was
a couple years short of drinking age.
Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> writes:
(Frankly, there's also a few really awful beer products.)
Ah, Pabst Blue Ribbon and Grainbelt.
Easily, the worst beer on planet earth?
https://www.beeradvocate.com/beer/profile/782/51067
Humm, I still need to try this one which probably tastes a lot better:
https://www.brewdog.com/uk/tactical-nuclear-penguin
lol. ;^)
On 26.06.2024 23:09, Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
Easily, the worst beer on planet earth?
https://www.beeradvocate.com/beer/profile/782/51067
Humm, I still need to try this one which probably tastes a lot better:
https://www.brewdog.com/uk/tactical-nuclear-penguin
lol. ;^)
Better than the worst? - Hard to believe! ;-)
Janis
PS: Sadly that I cannot search my favorite "worst beer on planet"; beeradvocate.com seems to require login even for a search. :-(
Andechs, lovely stuff. https://www.andechs.de/en/monastery-brewery.html
On 26.06.2024 12:55, Kaz Kylheku wrote:
On 2024-06-26, Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> wrote: >>>> I think we can nickname it Miller, because it's Genuine Daft.
What is that "Miller" referring to?
"Miller Genuine Draft" is a kind of horse urine marketed as beer.
*shudder*
Glad we have here, where I live, something called "Reinheitsgebot" [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reinheitsgebot] and also a history
of quality beer, of course. :-)
Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> writes:
Glad we have here, where I live, something called "Reinheitsgebot"
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reinheitsgebot] and also a history
of quality beer, of course. :-)
The best thing about the Reinheitsgebot is that it specifies that
half of the year a Mass of bier may not exceed one Pfennig in price,
and for the other half of the year it may not exceed two Pfennigs.
And you say german brewers are still abiding by that, do you? If
so, I must visit.
On 28.06.2024 12:42, Phil Carmody wrote:
Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> writes:
Glad we have here, where I live, something called "Reinheitsgebot"
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reinheitsgebot] and also a history
of quality beer, of course. :-)
The best thing about the Reinheitsgebot is that it specifies that
half of the year a Mass of bier may not exceed one Pfennig in price,
and for the other half of the year it may not exceed two Pfennigs.
(That's just one part of the text, the other part is as indicated
by its name Reinheitsgebot (~ "purity commandment") about quality
by specifying the allowed ingredients. It was a counter measure
against fraud and profiteering.)
And you say german brewers are still abiding by that, do you? If
so, I must visit.
No. If you want cheep beer stay away. The beer prices today are
horribly high. For example on the Oktoberfest one Mass (1 liter)
had cost about 14.50 Euro last year (IIRC). In a nice Biergarten
in Munich you still pay something ranging from about 8.50 Euro
to 11.00 Euro.
Frankly, if I'd see some beer offered for one or two Pfennig I'd
be very reluctant to even taste that. ;-)
Janis
On other forum I was told by people living in Germany that in
supermarkets they can get 500ml can of drinkable liquid for 0.4E.
Of course, it's not a Martzen lager they drink during festivals, and
not Andechs Doppelbock Dunkel (which I pesonally likely wouldn't like
because of too high ABV), but still it is both better and cheaper than
the cheapest beers in majority of the Western countries.
On 28.06.2024 16:11, Michael S wrote:
On other forum I was told by people living in Germany that in
supermarkets they can get 500ml can of drinkable liquid for 0.4E.
Of course, it's not a Martzen lager they drink during festivals, and
not Andechs Doppelbock Dunkel (which I pesonally likely wouldn't like
because of too high ABV), but still it is both better and cheaper than
the cheapest beers in majority of the Western countries.
I cannot tell about other countries; only in Scandinavia I personally experienced generally very high prices for alcoholics, also in shops).
Beer in Greece (for example) wasn't that expensive, as far as I recall, closer to German prices. [...]
It would be nice if the discussion of different beers could be
taken to a newsgroup where it is more topical, as for example
to comp.lang.c++, where some amount of alcohol seems to be
necessary to be able to endure the language.
The worst beer I have ever tasted in my entire life at 46 years old. It
was as if somebody let a bunch of apples rot; turned them in applesauce; Mixed it with hyper cheap crap vodka; a little cheap garbage brandy; let
it set for a a day or two, then filtered the sludge. Then artificially carbonated the filtered result; added in some more cheap vodka; canned
it...
On 29.06.2024 00:46, Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
The worst beer I have ever tasted in my entire life at 46 years
old. It was as if somebody let a bunch of apples rot; turned them
in applesauce; Mixed it with hyper cheap crap vodka; a little cheap
garbage brandy; let it set for a a day or two, then filtered the
sludge. Then artificially carbonated the filtered result; added in
some more cheap vodka; canned it...
Ranking worst on my list is something that tastes like an ashtray of
cold fag ends. It's called Rauchbier - the name stems from smoked
malt used as ingredient. Wikipedia says that these beers are nowadays
even considered a specialty.
Janis
On 28.06.2024 20:07, Tim Rentsch wrote:
It would be nice if the discussion of different beers could be
taken to a newsgroup where it is more topical, as for example
to comp.lang.c++, where some amount of alcohol seems to be
necessary to be able to endure the language.
Serious(!) suggestions are (would be) always welcome. (At least
I spot some humor here, which is a Good Thing. :-)
(Otherwise, just a suggestion, try to ignore [OT] marked posts.)
More on-topic; I'm curious what problems a C professional has
with C++.
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