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I'd like to open informal discussion around possibly creating a
new newsgroup, comp.lang.rust, for discussion of the Rust
programming language (https://rust-lang.org/). Rust is a
compiled, type- and memory- safe language that has been in open
development since 2010, and is rapidly gaining adoption in
industry and research. It often comes up in discussions related
to C and C++, but no existing group is dedicated to it.

Thoughts?

- Dan C.

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In article <vqmi1p$f1f$1@reader1.panix.com>,
Dan Cross <cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net> wrote:

[Note: Followup-To: set to news.groups.proposals]

I'd like to open informal discussion around possibly creating a
new newsgroup, comp.lang.rust, for discussion of the Rust
programming language (https://rust-lang.org/). Rust is a
compiled, type- and memory- safe language that has been in open
development since 2010, and is rapidly gaining adoption in
industry and research. It often comes up in discussions related
to C and C++, but no existing group is dedicated to it.

Thoughts?

Keith will tell you that it is off-topic here.

--
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mansplaining

It describes comp.lang.c to a T!

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In article <vqmofm$6r9q$1@news.xmission.com>,
Kenny McCormack <gazelle@shell.xmission.com> wrote:

In article <vqmi1p$f1f$1@reader1.panix.com>,
Dan Cross <cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net> wrote:

[Note: Followup-To: set to news.groups.proposals]

I'd like to open informal discussion around possibly creating a
new newsgroup, comp.lang.rust, for discussion of the Rust
programming language (https://rust-lang.org/). Rust is a
compiled, type- and memory- safe language that has been in open
development since 2010, and is rapidly gaining adoption in
industry and research. It often comes up in discussions related
to C and C++, but no existing group is dedicated to it.

Thoughts?

Keith will tell you that it is off-topic here.

Topicality is part of the reason the Big-8 guidance for
introducing these discussions recommends cross-posting to groups
where the topic comes up semi-regularly, but setting follow ups
to news.groups.proposals, as I had done, and have done again
here. ;-)

- Dan C.

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On 10/03/2025 14:32, Dan Cross wrote:

<snip>

Topicality is part of the reason the Big-8 guidance for
introducing these discussions recommends cross-posting to groups
where the topic comes up semi-regularly, but setting follow ups
to news.groups.proposals, as I had done, and have done again
here. ;-)

You will no doubt be aware that this discussion has already
fragmented over three groups (follow-ups are not everyone's cup
of tea). Presumably you will be following the discussion in all
of those groups?

--
Richard Heathfield
Email: rjh at cpax dot org dot uk
"Usenet is a strange place" - dmr 29 July 1999
Sig line 4 vacant - apply within

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In article <vqmt6a$abj$2@reader1.panix.com>,
Dan Cross <cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net> wrote:

In article <vqmofm$6r9q$1@news.xmission.com>,
Kenny McCormack <gazelle@shell.xmission.com> wrote:

In article <vqmi1p$f1f$1@reader1.panix.com>,
Dan Cross <cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net> wrote:

[Note: Followup-To: set to news.groups.proposals]

I'd like to open informal discussion around possibly creating a
new newsgroup, comp.lang.rust, for discussion of the Rust
programming language (https://rust-lang.org/). Rust is a
compiled, type- and memory- safe language that has been in open >>>development since 2010, and is rapidly gaining adoption in
industry and research. It often comes up in discussions related
to C and C++, but no existing group is dedicated to it.

Thoughts?

Keith will tell you that it is off-topic here.

Topicality is part of the reason the Big-8 guidance for
introducing these discussions recommends cross-posting to groups
where the topic comes up semi-regularly, but setting follow ups
to news.groups.proposals, as I had done, and have done again
here. ;-)

Note that I did not say: Your post is off-topic.

I said: Keith will tell you that it is off-topic here.

--
John Steinbeck: "Socialism never took root in America because the poor
see themselves not as an exploited proletariat but as temporarily
embarrassed millionaires."

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In article <vqn04q$6vsu$1@news.xmission.com>,
Kenny McCormack <gazelle@shell.xmission.com> wrote:

In article <vqmt6a$abj$2@reader1.panix.com>,
Dan Cross <cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net> wrote:

In article <vqmofm$6r9q$1@news.xmission.com>,
[snip]
Kenny McCormack <gazelle@shell.xmission.com> wrote:

Keith will tell you that it is off-topic here.

Topicality is part of the reason the Big-8 guidance for
introducing these discussions recommends cross-posting to groups
where the topic comes up semi-regularly, but setting follow ups
to news.groups.proposals, as I had done, and have done again
here. ;-)

Note that I did not say: Your post is off-topic.

I did not say that said that you did? ;-)

I said: Keith will tell you that it is off-topic here.

Noted. My post was meant to explain that I chose to implement
the guidance from the Big-8 process on new group creation, which
encourages posting to groups where interested parties may be
reading for discovery, but with follow-ups set to n.g.p to
discourage off-topic drift and fragmented discussion.

Given that the guidance is coming directly from Big-8,
complaints about topicality, from Keith or anyone else, seem
misplaced.

So far, as near as I can tell, the only person who's actually
engaged with the proposal was Tim Rentsch, who responded in
in comp.programming that he was in favor of comp.lang.rust.

- Dan C.

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On Mon, 10 Mar 2025 15:42:41 -0000 (UTC)
cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) wrote:

In article <vqn04q$6vsu$1@news.xmission.com>,
Kenny McCormack <gazelle@shell.xmission.com> wrote:

In article <vqmt6a$abj$2@reader1.panix.com>,
Dan Cross <cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net> wrote:

In article <vqmofm$6r9q$1@news.xmission.com>,
[snip]
Kenny McCormack <gazelle@shell.xmission.com> wrote:

Keith will tell you that it is off-topic here.

Topicality is part of the reason the Big-8 guidance for
introducing these discussions recommends cross-posting to groups
where the topic comes up semi-regularly, but setting follow ups
to news.groups.proposals, as I had done, and have done again
here. ;-)

Note that I did not say: Your post is off-topic.

I did not say that said that you did? ;-)

I said: Keith will tell you that it is off-topic here.

Noted. My post was meant to explain that I chose to implement
the guidance from the Big-8 process on new group creation, which
encourages posting to groups where interested parties may be
reading for discovery, but with follow-ups set to n.g.p to
discourage off-topic drift and fragmented discussion.

Given that the guidance is coming directly from Big-8,
complaints about topicality, from Keith or anyone else, seem
misplaced.

If you don't follow c.lang.c then you probably don't know that the
person you are answering is not even a troll. He best characterized as
stalker.

So far, as near as I can tell, the only person who's actually
engaged with the proposal was Tim Rentsch, who responded in
in comp.programming that he was in favor of comp.lang.rust.

- Dan C.

Personally, I have nothing against comp.lang.rust, but have my doubts
about perspectives of following. Rust is not so much a computer language
as a sort of subculture with very strong tendency for advocacy. It
(subculture) already has its own established discussion forums and
unlikely to be interested in Usenet group.

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cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) writes:

[...]

So far, as near as I can tell, the only person who's actually
engaged with the proposal was Tim Rentsch, who responded in
in comp.programming that he was in favor of comp.lang.rust.

A small note of explanation...

One, I have a rule not to post in newsgroups I don't read.
That's why I chose from among the newsgroups where I saw the
original posting as a group in which to post a response.

Two, in most cases I think giving multiple newsgroups on a single
message hurts more than it helps, and I almost never do so.
(Also I have no interest in debating the question; if someone
has a different view, that's fine, but there is no point in
starting an argument about it.)

Three, I responded in the newsgroup that IMO has the best
impedance match to the question asked, and had every confidence
that Dan would carry my input to wherever it is most needed (and
clearly that confidence is justified).

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In article <86tt80u7oc.fsf@linuxsc.com>,
Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> wrote:

cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) writes:

[...]

So far, as near as I can tell, the only person who's actually
engaged with the proposal was Tim Rentsch, who responded in
in comp.programming that he was in favor of comp.lang.rust.

A small note of explanation...

One, I have a rule not to post in newsgroups I don't read.
That's why I chose from among the newsgroups where I saw the
original posting as a group in which to post a response.

Two, in most cases I think giving multiple newsgroups on a single
message hurts more than it helps, and I almost never do so.
(Also I have no interest in debating the question; if someone
has a different view, that's fine, but there is no point in
starting an argument about it.)

Three, I responded in the newsgroup that IMO has the best
impedance match to the question asked, and had every confidence
that Dan would carry my input to wherever it is most needed (and
clearly that confidence is justified).

Indeed, I will do my best to convey folks's input accurately and
faithfully. Thanks, Tim.

- Dan C.

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In article <vqnan6$1fn62$1@dont-email.me>,
David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> wrote:

On 10/03/2025 16:42, Dan Cross wrote:

[snip]
So far, as near as I can tell, the only person who's actually
engaged with the proposal was Tim Rentsch, who responded in
in comp.programming that he was in favor of comp.lang.rust.

For what it is worth, I think it makes sense to ask here (and in the
other groups I have seen your post - c.l.c++ and c.programming) to ask
about interest in comp.lang.rust. Many people who are interested in
Rust and who use Usenet, will be found in one of those groups. It might
not be strictly topical for c.l.c., but it is certainly of potential
interest to a number of people here.

I also think that if you do create the group, announcing it here in
c.l.c. is appropriate.

Like Tim, I am not overly keen on posting in one group with a follow-up
to another group, if you are expecting replies from people here (rather
than just making an announcement). When I read something in c.l.c. and
want to discuss it, I think it is natural to do so in c.l.c.
(c.programming may be more natural for this discussion, but the audience
is pretty minimal there.)

I don't think there will be much life in a comp.lang.rust group - groups
like c.l.c. are held together by people who have been programming in C
and haunting Usenet for decades. Rust is too young, so I think it will
be hard to establish a community in a Rust newsgroup. However, I may be >wrong, and I wish you the best of luck with it.

(I know there are Rust programmers in comp.arch, and perhaps some follow >comp.lang.misc, if you are looking for other appropriate newsgroups.)

That's fair; thanks for the measured response and suggestions.
I see that Tim also chimed in. I'll do my best to keep track of
responses and post again when appropriate.

- Dan C.

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On 10/03/2025 16:42, Dan Cross wrote:

In article <vqn04q$6vsu$1@news.xmission.com>,
Kenny McCormack <gazelle@shell.xmission.com> wrote:

In article <vqmt6a$abj$2@reader1.panix.com>,
Dan Cross <cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net> wrote:

In article <vqmofm$6r9q$1@news.xmission.com>,
[snip]
Kenny McCormack <gazelle@shell.xmission.com> wrote:

Keith will tell you that it is off-topic here.

Topicality is part of the reason the Big-8 guidance for
introducing these discussions recommends cross-posting to groups
where the topic comes up semi-regularly, but setting follow ups
to news.groups.proposals, as I had done, and have done again
here. ;-)

Note that I did not say: Your post is off-topic.

I did not say that said that you did? ;-)

I said: Keith will tell you that it is off-topic here.

(If Keith wants to tell you that your post is off-topic, he will tell
you. He is a far better judge of what he wants to post about than Kenny
is.)

Noted. My post was meant to explain that I chose to implement
the guidance from the Big-8 process on new group creation, which
encourages posting to groups where interested parties may be
reading for discovery, but with follow-ups set to n.g.p to
discourage off-topic drift and fragmented discussion.

Given that the guidance is coming directly from Big-8,
complaints about topicality, from Keith or anyone else, seem
misplaced.

So far, as near as I can tell, the only person who's actually
engaged with the proposal was Tim Rentsch, who responded in
in comp.programming that he was in favor of comp.lang.rust.

- Dan C.

For what it is worth, I think it makes sense to ask here (and in the
other groups I have seen your post - c.l.c++ and c.programming) to ask
about interest in comp.lang.rust. Many people who are interested in
Rust and who use Usenet, will be found in one of those groups. It might
not be strictly topical for c.l.c., but it is certainly of potential
interest to a number of people here.

I also think that if you do create the group, announcing it here in
c.l.c. is appropriate.

Like Tim, I am not overly keen on posting in one group with a follow-up
to another group, if you are expecting replies from people here (rather
than just making an announcement). When I read something in c.l.c. and
want to discuss it, I think it is natural to do so in c.l.c.
(c.programming may be more natural for this discussion, but the audience
is pretty minimal there.)

I don't think there will be much life in a comp.lang.rust group - groups
like c.l.c. are held together by people who have been programming in C
and haunting Usenet for decades. Rust is too young, so I think it will
be hard to establish a community in a Rust newsgroup. However, I may be
wrong, and I wish you the best of luck with it.

(I know there are Rust programmers in comp.arch, and perhaps some follow comp.lang.misc, if you are looking for other appropriate newsgroups.)

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On 10/03/2025 15:42, Dan Cross wrote:

So far, as near as I can tell, the only person who's actually
engaged with the proposal was Tim Rentsch

I responded at 12:13GMT, but my reply appears to have sunk
without trace. Maybe I'm not the only one whose response has gone
AWOL.

--
Richard Heathfield
Email: rjh at cpax dot org dot uk
"Usenet is a strange place" - dmr 29 July 1999
Sig line 4 vacant - apply within

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In article <vqnd5c$1g7jq$1@dont-email.me>,
Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> wrote:

On 10/03/2025 15:42, Dan Cross wrote:

So far, as near as I can tell, the only person who's actually
engaged with the proposal was Tim Rentsch

I responded at 12:13GMT, but my reply appears to have sunk
without trace. Maybe I'm not the only one whose response has gone
AWOL.

It occurs to me that if it was cross-posted to n.g.p, it may be
waiting for moderator approval. I believe I have at least one
such post pending right now; in fact, I believe it was a
follow-up to you, Richard.

- Dan C.

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In article <vqne58$1g7jq$2@dont-email.me>,
Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> wrote:

On 10/03/2025 19:11, Dan Cross wrote:

In article <vqnd5c$1g7jq$1@dont-email.me>,
Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> wrote:

On 10/03/2025 15:42, Dan Cross wrote:

So far, as near as I can tell, the only person who's actually
engaged with the proposal was Tim Rentsch

I responded at 12:13GMT, but my reply appears to have sunk
without trace. Maybe I'm not the only one whose response has gone
AWOL.

It occurs to me that if it was cross-posted to n.g.p, it may be
waiting for moderator approval.

Had I spotted that I was posting outside comp.programming, I
wouldn't have bothered to reply. It was an off the cuff response
that didn't merit the time it would take a moderator to sit in
judgement over it. If you see him, please convey my apologies.

Surely.

- Dan C.

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On 10/03/2025 19:11, Dan Cross wrote:

In article <vqnd5c$1g7jq$1@dont-email.me>,
Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> wrote:

On 10/03/2025 15:42, Dan Cross wrote:

So far, as near as I can tell, the only person who's actually
engaged with the proposal was Tim Rentsch

I responded at 12:13GMT, but my reply appears to have sunk
without trace. Maybe I'm not the only one whose response has gone
AWOL.

It occurs to me that if it was cross-posted to n.g.p, it may be
waiting for moderator approval.

Had I spotted that I was posting outside comp.programming, I
wouldn't have bothered to reply. It was an off the cuff response
that didn't merit the time it would take a moderator to sit in
judgement over it. If you see him, please convey my apologies.

--
Richard Heathfield
Email: rjh at cpax dot org dot uk
"Usenet is a strange place" - dmr 29 July 1999
Sig line 4 vacant - apply within

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In article <vqn19h$qai$1@reader1.panix.com>,
Dan Cross <cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net> wrote:

In article <vqn04q$6vsu$1@news.xmission.com>,
Kenny McCormack <gazelle@shell.xmission.com> wrote:

In article <vqmt6a$abj$2@reader1.panix.com>,
Dan Cross <cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net> wrote:

In article <vqmofm$6r9q$1@news.xmission.com>,
[snip]
Kenny McCormack <gazelle@shell.xmission.com> wrote:

Keith will tell you that it is off-topic here.

Topicality is part of the reason the Big-8 guidance for
introducing these discussions recommends cross-posting to groups
where the topic comes up semi-regularly, but setting follow ups
to news.groups.proposals, as I had done, and have done again
here. ;-)

Note that I did not say: Your post is off-topic.

I did not say that said that you did? ;-)

Touche. I will avoid doing the possible infinite regress...

I said: Keith will tell you that it is off-topic here.

Noted. My post was meant to explain that I chose to implement
the guidance from the Big-8 process on new group creation, which
encourages posting to groups where interested parties may be
reading for discovery, but with follow-ups set to n.g.p to
discourage off-topic drift and fragmented discussion.

Indeed you did.

Given that the guidance is coming directly from Big-8,
complaints about topicality, from Keith or anyone else, seem
misplaced.

Keith (and other so-called "CLC regulars") have a long history of
hi-jacking (cross-posted) threads and making them all about whether or not
it is topical in CLC. The recent "Python recompile" thread is a good
example (except note that that thread ended up also going in lots of other directions as well).

So far, as near as I can tell, the only person who's actually
engaged with the proposal was Tim Rentsch, who responded in
in comp.programming that he was in favor of comp.lang.rust.

When you get right down to it, it is hard to imagine anyone posting to the effect that they are against it. For the most part, anyone not interested
in the topic, will just ignore the thread. (*)

For the most part...

(*) Although at least one poster expressed skepticism as to whether or not
the proposed group would be successful or not (but didn't directly express
an opinion as to whether or not creating it was per se a good idea).

--
Modern Conservative: Someone who can take time out from demanding more
flag burning laws, more abortion laws, more drug laws, more obscenity
laws, and more police authority to make warrantless arrests to remind
us that we need to "get the government off our backs".

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XPost: news.groups.proposals, comp.lang.c++, comp.programming

On 2025-03-10, Dan Cross <cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net> wrote:

[Note: Followup-To: set to news.groups.proposals]

I'd like to open informal discussion around possibly creating a
new newsgroup, comp.lang.rust, for discussion of the Rust
programming language (https://rust-lang.org/).

Grownups interested in Rust should have a place for discussing it in
which "anything goes", and Usenet is the best forum in the world for
that.

Now, I strongly suspect that a Rust newsgroup will be ignored by pretty
much the entire current Rust demographic---but it doesn't matter.

Usenet has no security. People can use fake identies easily. The
authenticty of next to nothing can be ascertained. It's not a "safe" environment. Anyone can say anything. You cannot enforce anything
resembling a code of conduct.

Core Rust development discussions (the sane people) are certainly not
going to move to Usenet, where they cannot enforce their rules.

Most of the remaining demographic clustered around Rust cannot wrap
their heads around that something like Usenet is even allowed to exist.
It mainly consists of paranoid, security-obsessed freaks who are running
from something, and includes a surprising number of social activists.

A Rust forum repugnant to them could foster alterantive narratives.
It would be a benefit to Rust, even if in all likelihood small.

--
TXR Programming Language: http://nongnu.org/txr
Cygnal: Cygwin Native Application Library: http://kylheku.com/cygnal
Mastodon: @Kazinator@mstdn.ca

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XPost: news.groups.proposals

[Note: follows once again set to news.groups.proposals]

In article <vqmuec$1cs4o$1@dont-email.me>,
Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> wrote:

On 10/03/2025 14:32, Dan Cross wrote:

<snip>

Topicality is part of the reason the Big-8 guidance for
introducing these discussions recommends cross-posting to groups
where the topic comes up semi-regularly, but setting follow ups
to news.groups.proposals, as I had done, and have done again
here. ;-)

You will no doubt be aware that this discussion has already
fragmented over three groups (follow-ups are not everyone's cup
of tea). Presumably you will be following the discussion in all
of those groups?

I will attempt to do so, yes.

Perhaps people dislike Followup-To; to that, I say that it is
unfortunate that people do not want to follow what seems like a
reasonable and a well-defined process. See e.g., https://www.big-8.org/wiki/How_to_Create_a_New_Big-8_Newsgroup,
specifically this text from the section titled, "Informal
Discussion":

|The proponent of the newsgroup ought to cross-post the idea to
|other, relevant newsgroups in addition to
|news.groups[.proposals]. In these crossposts, followups should
|be directed to news.groups[.proposals] so that discussion of
|the idea is confined to a single location. This makes it easier
|for interested parties to follow the entire discussion in one
|place, and for uninterested parties to avoid the discussion.

Clearly the initial cross-posting guidance from Big-8 is meant
to encourage letting potentially interested parties know that
the discussion is happening in news.groups.proposals as a
courtesy to those that do not regularly read news.groups.*, not
as a way to split the discussion $n$ different ways. In that
context, I can't think of a good reason to ignore the followup
header.

- Dan C.

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XPost: comp.lang.c++

Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> writes:

On 3/10/2025 6:46 AM, Dan Cross wrote:

[Note: Followup-To: set to news.groups.proposals]

I'd like to open informal discussion around possibly creating a
new newsgroup, comp.lang.rust, for discussion of the Rust
programming language (https://rust-lang.org/). Rust is a
compiled, type- and memory- safe language that has been in open
development since 2010, and is rapidly gaining adoption in
industry and research. It often comes up in discussions related
to C and C++, but no existing group is dedicated to it.

Thoughts?

- Dan C.

There is a newsgroup for rust already, alt.comp.lang.rust, that is not
very active at all. The reddit rust group is fairly active comparatively.
https://www.reddit.com/r/rust/

Many newsservers refuse to carry the alt hierarchy, so the number of
readers would be significantly less than the comp hierarchy.

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In article <vqq6gn$25i2t$1@dont-email.me>,
Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> wrote:

On 3/10/2025 6:46 AM, Dan Cross wrote:

[Note: Followup-To: set to news.groups.proposals]

I'd like to open informal discussion around possibly creating a
new newsgroup, comp.lang.rust, for discussion of the Rust
programming language (https://rust-lang.org/). Rust is a
compiled, type- and memory- safe language that has been in open
development since 2010, and is rapidly gaining adoption in
industry and research. It often comes up in discussions related
to C and C++, but no existing group is dedicated to it.

Thoughts?

There is a newsgroup for rust already, alt.comp.lang.rust, that is not
very active at all.

Hmm, I didn't know about that until it came up in this
discussion: my provider doesn't seem to carry it.

The reddit rust group is fairly active comparatively.
https://www.reddit.com/r/rust/

It is. That, and Zulip, are the main ways that folks in the
community communicate. Neither is USENET, however.

- Dan C.

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In article <vqr2in$2ek3p$2@dont-email.me>,
Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> wrote:

On 3/11/2025 5:31 PM, Dan Cross wrote:

In article <vqq6gn$25i2t$1@dont-email.me>,
Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> wrote:

On 3/10/2025 6:46 AM, Dan Cross wrote:

[Note: Followup-To: set to news.groups.proposals]

I'd like to open informal discussion around possibly creating a
new newsgroup, comp.lang.rust, for discussion of the Rust
programming language (https://rust-lang.org/). Rust is a
compiled, type- and memory- safe language that has been in open
development since 2010, and is rapidly gaining adoption in
industry and research. It often comes up in discussions related
to C and C++, but no existing group is dedicated to it.

Thoughts?

There is a newsgroup for rust already, alt.comp.lang.rust, that is not
very active at all.

Hmm, I didn't know about that until it came up in this
discussion: my provider doesn't seem to carry it.

The reddit rust group is fairly active comparatively.
https://www.reddit.com/r/rust/

It is. That, and Zulip, are the main ways that folks in the
community communicate. Neither is USENET, however.

News.eternal-september.org carries the alt.* groups.

That's only one, of many, servers and not everyone uses it; I
don't, for example. And as I said, my provider doesn't carry
that group, despite carrying some of alt.*.

It occurs to me that the existence of alt groups for similar
topics is a weak reason not to create a big 8 group, because of
the more limited reach.

- Dan C.

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