• Newsgroup etiquette

    From Tim Rentsch@21:1/5 to bart on Fri Mar 28 11:03:39 2025
    bart <bc@freeuk.com> writes:

    On 27/03/2025 19:31, Keith Thompson wrote:

    James Kuyper <jameskuyper@alumni.caltech.edu> writes:

    On 3/26/25 05:59, Keith Thompson wrote:

    David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> writes:
    [...]

    Sure. But most people have forgotten such details long ago -
    negative numbers are not part of daily life (except as an
    indicator of how much you owe the bank...). After all,
    negative numbers are not natural!

    Most people understand credits and debits.

    From my experience, most do not. In particular, if you gave
    them examples of a transaction and the relevant accounts, they
    would have no idea which accounts should be debited, and which
    should be credited.

    Sure, most people don't understand double-entry bookkeepping. I
    was thinking of simpler concepts. Depositing money increases
    your bank account balance, withdrawing money decreases it,
    withdrawing too much can result in a negative balance, and so on.
    A checking account or credit card statement shows numbers with or
    without a "-" symbol.

    Most of us here are probably in the top 10% of the general
    population in terms of mathematical knowledge, and it can be
    difficult to know how much knowledge most people have. But I
    think that most people have a decent basic understanding of
    positive and negative numbers. As I mentioned recently,
    temperatures might have been a better example.

    And this is *way* off-topic.

    That didn't stop you having your say first /then/ declaring it
    as way off-topic!

    I agree with the implied criticism here.

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  • From Richard Heathfield@21:1/5 to Tim Rentsch on Fri Mar 28 18:39:10 2025
    On 28/03/2025 18:03, Tim Rentsch wrote:
    bart <bc@freeuk.com> writes:

    On 27/03/2025 19:31, Keith Thompson wrote:

    <OT stuff snipped>


    And this is *way* off-topic.

    That didn't stop you having your say first /then/ declaring it
    as way off-topic!

    I agree with the implied criticism here.

    Fair comment. OTOH, a wise man once said that posting on-topic
    articles is like paying pennies into your account, and posting
    off-topic articles is like taking out dollars.

    Over the years Keith has posted many thousands of on-topic articles.

    That doesn't make OT stuff topical, but it does earn Keith a lot
    of slack.

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  • From Kaz Kylheku@21:1/5 to Richard Heathfield on Fri Mar 28 18:45:47 2025
    On 2025-03-28, Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> wrote:
    Fair comment. OTOH, a wise man once said that posting on-topic
    articles is like paying pennies into your account, and posting
    off-topic articles is like taking out dollars.

    I'm talking deeply out of my arrears.

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  • From Tim Rentsch@21:1/5 to Richard Heathfield on Sun Apr 27 12:28:55 2025
    Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> writes:

    On 28/03/2025 18:03, Tim Rentsch wrote:

    bart <bc@freeuk.com> writes:

    On 27/03/2025 19:31, Keith Thompson wrote:

    <OT stuff snipped>

    And this is *way* off-topic.

    That didn't stop you having your say first /then/ declaring it
    as way off-topic!

    I agree with the implied criticism here.

    Fair comment. OTOH, a wise man once said that posting on-topic
    articles is like paying pennies into your account, and posting
    off-topic articles is like taking out dollars.

    Over the years Keith has posted many thousands of on-topic articles.

    That doesn't make OT stuff topical, but it does earn Keith a lot of
    slack.

    I have the opposite reaction. Certainly Keith is well known and
    generally highly regarded in the newsgroup. But it is precisely
    because of that status that he should hold himself to a higher
    standard than others (and the same is true for other similarly
    situated newsgroup participants). Casual posters see what leaders
    do and think because a leader does it the behavior is okay. The
    best people should try to set a good example, not be granted an
    exception for bad behavior.

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  • From Ethan Carter@21:1/5 to Tim Rentsch on Mon Apr 28 00:59:53 2025
    Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> writes:

    Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> writes:

    On 28/03/2025 18:03, Tim Rentsch wrote:

    bart <bc@freeuk.com> writes:

    On 27/03/2025 19:31, Keith Thompson wrote:

    <OT stuff snipped>

    And this is *way* off-topic.

    That didn't stop you having your say first /then/ declaring it
    as way off-topic!

    I agree with the implied criticism here.

    Fair comment. OTOH, a wise man once said that posting on-topic
    articles is like paying pennies into your account, and posting
    off-topic articles is like taking out dollars.

    Over the years Keith has posted many thousands of on-topic articles.

    That doesn't make OT stuff topical, but it does earn Keith a lot of
    slack.

    I have the opposite reaction. Certainly Keith is well known and
    generally highly regarded in the newsgroup. But it is precisely
    because of that status that he should hold himself to a higher
    standard than others (and the same is true for other similarly
    situated newsgroup participants). Casual posters see what leaders
    do and think because a leader does it the behavior is okay. The
    best people should try to set a good example, not be granted an
    exception for bad behavior.

    This may hold true in kindergarten. If Keith is highly regarded here,
    then he is already a good example and an occasional off-topic is not
    going to change my perspective of him. Posting an off-topic post is not
    bad behavior. The very fact that he is highly regarded might even imply
    that his off-topic could be of interest to others here---the psychology
    of people here (if you will) likely has similarities to that of Keith.

    Ignoring a thread is cheaper than not letting a good contributor discuss
    his off-topic.

    When casual posters make the mistake of thinking that they will get the
    same treatment, the USENET will discipline them like it's been doing it
    since its birth.

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