I recently discovered bigFORTH and MINOS on Bernd Paysan's web site and
decided to try it on my amd64 PC running Devuan, a Debian-based Linux distribution.

I was able to build and install it. The console REPL "bigforth" appears
to work, but when I try to run the GUI "xbigforth" it crashes with the following message:

libX11.so.6 Library not found!
Level: (ABORT" @LIB @SYMS $101471E6 XOPENDIPLAY $FFE44E02 $565BE3CA $FFE440C8

(The first message is displayed in spite of the fact that package
libx11-6 is already installed.)

Any clue what I'm doing wrong?

--
David Meyer
Takarazuka, Japan
papa@sdf.org

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David Meyer <papa@sdf.org> writes:

I recently discovered bigFORTH and MINOS on Bernd Paysan's web site and >decided to try it on my amd64 PC running Devuan, a Debian-based Linux >distribution.

I was able to build and install it. The console REPL "bigforth" appears
to work, but when I try to run the GUI "xbigforth" it crashes with the >following message:

libX11.so.6 Library not found!
Level: (ABORT" @LIB @SYMS $101471E6 XOPENDIPLAY $FFE44E02 $565BE3CA $FFE440C8

(The first message is displayed in spite of the fact that package
libx11-6 is already installed.)

Any clue what I'm doing wrong?

I don't know what's wrong. I would try to use strace to find out
which file xbigforth is trying to access.

In any case, if the interest is in MINOS, Bernd Paysan is now using
Gforth and MINOS2 <https://fossil.net2o.de/minos2/index> as the basis
for his net2o work:
<https://fossil.net2o.de/net2o/doc/trunk/wiki/net2o.md>

- anton
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David Meyer <papa@sdf.org> writes:

What are the major differences between bigFORTH and gforth?

From a practical view: AFAIK bigForth is no longer maintained, while
Gforth is (and Bernd Paysan, the author of bigForth, has put a lot of
work into Gforth in the last decade). Also, bigForth only has IA-32
(32-bit Intel/AMD) and 68k support, while Gforth runs on a wide range
of architectures, including AMD64 (64-bit Intel/AMD) and ARM A64.

Genealogically Gforth was started by using a lot of the Forth part of
BigForth and porting it to the Gforth engine. So at some point in the
1990s there was a lot of commonality, and there has been some cross-fertilization over the years, but eventually Bernd put the focus
on Gforth.

- anton
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On 7/3/25 11:30 AM, Paul Rubin wrote:

David Meyer <papa@sdf.org> writes:

libX11.so.6 Library not found!
(The first message is displayed in spite of the fact that package
libx11-6 is already installed.)

Any clue what I'm doing wrong?

Maybe you need libx11-dev ?

It would fail at the compile stage if that were the problem. More likely
is that the version required isn't there. On my system I find:

$ locate libX11.so
/usr/lib/libX11.so.6
/usr/lib/libX11.so.6.4.0
/usr/lib64/libX11.so
/usr/lib64/libX11.so.6
/usr/lib64/libX11.so.6.4.0

Both 32 and 64 bit versions.But oddly there isn't a 32 bit libX11.so.
(Just a link as are most of these.)

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David Schultz
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anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) writes:

In any case, if the interest is in MINOS, Bernd Paysan is now using
Gforth and MINOS2 <https://fossil.net2o.de/minos2/index> as the basis
for his net2o work:
<https://fossil.net2o.de/net2o/doc/trunk/wiki/net2o.md>

What are the major differences between bigFORTH and gforth?

--
David Meyer
Takarazuka, Japan
papa@sdf.org

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David Meyer <papa@sdf.org> writes:

libX11.so.6 Library not found!
(The first message is displayed in spite of the fact that package
libx11-6 is already installed.)

Any clue what I'm doing wrong?

Maybe you need libx11-dev ?

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Am 03.07.2025 um 21:47 schrieb David Schultz:

On 7/3/25 11:30 AM, Paul Rubin wrote:

David Meyer <papa@sdf.org> writes:

      libX11.so.6 Library not found!
(The first message is displayed in spite of the fact that package
libx11-6 is already installed.)

Any clue what I'm doing wrong?

Maybe you need libx11-dev ?

It would fail at the compile stage if that were the problem. More likely
is that the version required isn't there. On my system I find:

$ locate libX11.so
/usr/lib/libX11.so.6
/usr/lib/libX11.so.6.4.0
/usr/lib64/libX11.so
/usr/lib64/libX11.so.6
/usr/lib64/libX11.so.6.4.0

Both 32 and 64 bit versions.But oddly there isn't a 32 bit libX11.so.
(Just a link as are most of these.)

AFAIK 32-bit libs have to be installed manually. The wole shebang:

sudo apt update
sudo apt-get upgrade
sudo apt-get install build-essential
sudo apt-get install gcc-multilib

With gcc, you'll also need the -m32 compiler flag.

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In article <mcpo4hFb9i9U1@mid.individual.net>,
minforth <minforth@gmx.net> wrote:

Am 03.07.2025 um 21:47 schrieb David Schultz:

On 7/3/25 11:30 AM, Paul Rubin wrote:

David Meyer <papa@sdf.org> writes:

      libX11.so.6 Library not found!
(The first message is displayed in spite of the fact that package
libx11-6 is already installed.)

Any clue what I'm doing wrong?

Maybe you need libx11-dev ?

It would fail at the compile stage if that were the problem. More likely
is that the version required isn't there. On my system I find:

$ locate libX11.so
/usr/lib/libX11.so.6
/usr/lib/libX11.so.6.4.0
/usr/lib64/libX11.so
/usr/lib64/libX11.so.6
/usr/lib64/libX11.so.6.4.0

Both 32 and 64 bit versions.But oddly there isn't a 32 bit libX11.so.
(Just a link as are most of these.)

AFAIK 32-bit libs have to be installed manually. The wole shebang:

sudo apt update
sudo apt-get upgrade
sudo apt-get install build-essential
sudo apt-get install gcc-multilib

With gcc, you'll also need the -m32 compiler flag.

The theory is that assembler Forth are less portable.
I had a 64 bit ciforth running in a matter of weeks (2008).
(But macro's handling 16/32 difference were in place already)

Groetjes Albert
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The next 5 year plan has as primary goal to advance life expectancy
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albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl writes:

The theory is that assembler Forth are less portable.
I had a 64 bit ciforth running in a matter of weeks (2008).

Gforth ran on AMD64 out of the box in 2003. With a little more effort
(<2h) some additional performance features were enabled. Similar on
IA-64 (2003), ARM A64 (2014), and RV64GC (2018).

- anton
--
M. Anton Ertl http://www.complang.tuwien.ac.at/anton/home.html
comp.lang.forth FAQs: http://www.complang.tuwien.ac.at/forth/faq/toc.html
New standard: https://forth-standard.org/
EuroForth 2023 proceedings: http://www.euroforth.org/ef23/papers/
EuroForth 2024 proceedings: http://www.euroforth.org/ef24/papers/

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