On Sunday, February 26, 2023 at 8:13:53 PM UTC-4, John Tse wrote:
On Sunday, September 4, 2022 at 11:26:12 PM UTC+8, Wayne morellini wrote:
On Sunday, September 4, 2022 at 2:59:31 PM UTC+10, Wayne morellini wrote:
On Tuesday, June 7, 2022 at 7:52:48 PM UTC+10, Wayne morellini wrote:
I know we are waiting to hear what the 6Ghz chip Stephen has been working with will turn out like, and what Green Arrays will release for the glasses (which type of thing demands an advanced design). But recently, I saw a document on Colorforth
for ARM, and comparisons to Swift Forth etc. Which got me wondering about a lower end design. Now, with the passing of Doctor Ting, it reminds me of the Mup21 he had that kicked things off, and Jeff's work latter. Isn't it time we had something more like
these designs upgraded? 16 bit or more versions?
Syncing forth processor project threads.
Forth processor project
Is it time for another Forth chip?
https://groups.google.com/u/2/g/comp.lang.forth/c/6adve-Z1ppU
Designing a Forth Processor?
https://groups.google.com/u/2/g/comp.lang.forth/c/9lpG9yey_NQ
A low cost chip prototyping technique.
https://groups.google.com/u/2/g/comp.lang.forth/c/s27tSebmF-I
Comments: ColorForth binary in JavaScript!
https://groups.google.com/u/2/g/comp.lang.forth/c/3py7TwKu6b0
Looking for some advice on Offete p8, p16, p24, p32, p64. Ep16, ep24, ep32, and others.
https://groups.google.com/u/2/g/comp.lang.forth/c/EMgCYdV8NR8
after all that has been said, ultimately, what matters is 1) low power 2) high performance 3) easy to program 4) tools available 5) cheap. so if a 8bit cpu can do the job, why use 32bit, green array's version may be the best candidate to upset the
status quo, especially if it has the ability to emulate any IO and still have all the atributes above, BUT it also must be able to access large memories or else it will not be able to do memory intensive product. still, as a super duper IO controller, it
can have mass market appeal especially in china for product manufacturing. if i am green array, now is a good time to go to china, especially when it is literally cowboy season where too much funds chasing all kinds of silicon solution ideas. if no one
in the world is willing to fund " dead end " chips, green Array got nothing to lose and everything to gain. if this even works 50%, at least forthers may still have our day in the sun. imagine a green array chip in every product shipped to the rest of
the world, much bigger market than the us.
The Green Array GA144 has been available for what, a decade? Yet, there's no evidence of it finding it's way into any serious products. They originally bought some thousands of chips, because that was the minimum run for sampling purposes! There's no
indication they ever went back for a second run of parts.
There is no "day in the sun" for Forth. It had it's shining moment when it appeared on the cover of Byte magazine. It's been a gradual downgrade ever since. I understand it no longer appears on a ranking of the top computer programming languages (by "
top", I mean one in a hundred programmers have heard of it).
Forth is what it is. Use it, like it, don't use it, don''t like it. The world does not care. But there is virtually nothing to gain by anyone to produce a CPU chip that is in some way, optimized for running Forth. Even if it runs Forth twice as fast,
you can get that every easily from the pool of thousands of CPU chips now on the market.
To conceive, design and introduce a new product, you should first ask, "What problem am I trying to solve"? I think you will find there are no more problems in the CPU world other than the tradeoffs of power, performance and cost. I see no reason to
think a Forth oriented CPU design would be any better at this than what's available today.
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