dxforth <dxforth@gmail.com> writes:

Every little bit helped send Bezos and Shatner into space.

It didn't work. They came back a few days later.

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Many here rather want to keep Forth a secret it seems.
I sometimes wonder, if this is for reasons of imprtance.
If there are less people, the relative importance goes up.

Rather hard to believe it.
So many fine compilers given away — and even with documented
assembler listing — that such plea doesn't sound credibly. Especially
when a term „many” is used.

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On Monday, 25 July 2022 at 15:13:34 UTC+1, Zbig wrote:

Many here rather want to keep Forth a secret it seems.
I sometimes wonder, if this is for reasons of imprtance.
If there are less people, the relative importance goes up.

Rather hard to believe it.
So many fine compilers given away — and even with documented
assembler listing — that such plea doesn't sound credible. Especially
when a term „many” is used.

There are probably 100 Forths out there or more?
Is there a list somewhere?
And I do not belittle the work that has been done there
creating and documenting them (if done so).
These were not the ones I meant.

But I have seen over the last 10 years, that there are too many Forths,
but probably less applications that use them.
Which would mean less than one application per Forth in general?
Nowhere I have seen a documentation what has been done with them.
Unfortunate
There are lists on Forth INC and MPE.

In contrast, look at the Arduino IDE or others
and what is done using them in the Maker scene.

The 50 year old Forth community has not done anything similar.
And it seems adding libraries is a NONO.
So it is a completely different community.
But there we are.

I have a great time with Forth until now,
and communicating with Chuck, Elizabeth, Ting, Steve and many others,
and quite a few years doing consultancy for MPE,
and my Forth Bookshelf has grown over these years as part of it https://www.amazon.co.uk/Juergen-Pintaske/e/B00N8HVEZM

And it lead to my own 16 Bit MISC Processor
realized in VHDL after 25 years,
running an adapted eForth in FPGA.
All with the great support of others.

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In contrast, look at the Arduino IDE or others
and what is done using them in the Maker scene.

Arduino uses C-like script language, and C is taught
at universities (in various variants) as „THE language”.

Besides: some companies seem to see its business
tied to Arduino. For example: ever heard of Pinguino
(„Pinguino project”)? But it does exist as well, since years.

The 50 year old Forth community has not done anything similar.
And it seems adding libraries is a NONO.

Why? For example: CIForth variants use libraries in the sense
that you seem to mean.
If you mean „shared libraries” — well, it's a being from C-world,
and nothing that marvellous, actually. It's a filler-up for gigabytes
of RAM in our machines, presently.

So it is a completely different community.
But there we are.

It's a different language. Maybe indeed it's not „for the masses” somehow? Or maybe it's the lack of promotion — at the universities, in the learning phase.

Really a pity Linus Thorvalds created Linux in C — instead of some kind
of Forth/OS. Forth is ideal language for Open Source world.

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On Sunday, 24 July 2022 at 02:26:57 UTC+1, Paul Rubin wrote:

Richard Howe <howe....@googlemail.com> writes:

Is the book downloadable in a non-Kindle format? Thanks.

I'll see if can cajole Amazon into providing more formats later

Well part of the idea is to avoid dealing with Amazon, but every little
bit helps.

I couldn't see anything that would allow different formats unfortunately, but I did get the hardcover option working.

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Richard Howe <howe.rj.89@googlemail.com> writes:

I couldn't see anything that would allow different formats
unfortunately, but I did get the hardcover option working.

Why does Amazon have to be in the picture at all? Can you just put up a
pdf, or offer it for sale, or whatever?

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On Saturday, 30 July 2022 at 08:33:00 UTC+1, Jurgen Pitaske wrote:

On Saturday, 30 July 2022 at 08:28:02 UTC+1, Jurgen Pitaske wrote:

On Saturday, 30 July 2022 at 02:06:34 UTC+1, Paul Rubin wrote:

Richard Howe <howe....@googlemail.com> writes:

I couldn't see anything that would allow different formats unfortunately, but I did get the hardcover option working.

Why does Amazon have to be in the picture at all? Can you just put up a pdf, or offer it for sale, or whatever?

Richard, keep up the good work.
You did whatever you liked and found useful.

And you are visible now in the amazon Bestseller list https://www.amazon.com/best-sellers-books-Amazon/zgbs/books/3970/ref=zg_bs_pg_2?_encoding=UTF8&pg=2
Today on place 62 ( it changes)
Congratulations.

If people do not appreciiate your work
and hesitate to buy the ebook even - using the free reader
- or do not want to invest the 10 Dollars and scan it in to have the PDF they want -
they are not really interested anyway. Or want it all for free.

If it is free , the value of your work is a lot less appreciated.
I went through a similar process and now after 10 years, there is a list of books available on amazon.
Covering Forth, other fun stuff and translation work. https://www.amazon.co.uk/Juergen-Pintaske/e/B00N8HVEZM.

Thanks for making your book available to the Forth community.

and here as well the link to your github, as there is a lot of free information anyway.
https://github.com/howerj/subleq

I wonder, if there is a better list of Forth Books available elsewhere? https://wiki.forth-ev.de/doku.php/en:projects:litlist

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On Saturday, 30 July 2022 at 02:06:34 UTC+1, Paul Rubin wrote:

Richard Howe <howe....@googlemail.com> writes:

I couldn't see anything that would allow different formats
unfortunately, but I did get the hardcover option working.

Why does Amazon have to be in the picture at all? Can you just put up a
pdf, or offer it for sale, or whatever?

Richard, keep up the good work.
You did whatever you liked and found useful.

And you are visible now in the amazon Bestseller list https://www.amazon.com/best-sellers-books-Amazon/zgbs/books/3970/ref=zg_bs_pg_2?_encoding=UTF8&pg=2
Today on place 62 ( it changes)
Congratulations.

If people do not appreciiate your work
and hesitate to buy the ebook even - using the free reader
- or do not want to invest the 10 Dollars and scan it in to have the PDF they want -
they are not really interested anyway. Or want it all for free.

If it is free , the value of your work is a lot less appreciated.
I went through a similar process and now after 10 years, there is a list of books available on amazon.
Covering Forth, other fun stuff and translation work. https://www.amazon.co.uk/Juergen-Pintaske/e/B00N8HVEZM.

Thanks for making your book available to the Forth community.

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On Saturday, 30 July 2022 at 08:28:02 UTC+1, Jurgen Pitaske wrote:

On Saturday, 30 July 2022 at 02:06:34 UTC+1, Paul Rubin wrote:

Richard Howe <howe....@googlemail.com> writes:

I couldn't see anything that would allow different formats
unfortunately, but I did get the hardcover option working.

Why does Amazon have to be in the picture at all? Can you just put up a pdf, or offer it for sale, or whatever?

Richard, keep up the good work.
You did whatever you liked and found useful.

And you are visible now in the amazon Bestseller list https://www.amazon.com/best-sellers-books-Amazon/zgbs/books/3970/ref=zg_bs_pg_2?_encoding=UTF8&pg=2
Today on place 62 ( it changes)
Congratulations.

If people do not appreciiate your work
and hesitate to buy the ebook even - using the free reader
- or do not want to invest the 10 Dollars and scan it in to have the PDF they want -
they are not really interested anyway. Or want it all for free.

If it is free , the value of your work is a lot less appreciated.
I went through a similar process and now after 10 years, there is a list of books available on amazon.
Covering Forth, other fun stuff and translation work. https://www.amazon.co.uk/Juergen-Pintaske/e/B00N8HVEZM.

Thanks for making your book available to the Forth community.

and here as well the link to your github, as there is a lot of free information anyway.
https://github.com/howerj/subleq

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On Saturday, 30 July 2022 at 08:28:02 UTC+1, jpit...@gmail.com wrote:

On Saturday, 30 July 2022 at 02:06:34 UTC+1, Paul Rubin wrote:

Richard Howe <howe....@googlemail.com> writes:

I couldn't see anything that would allow different formats
unfortunately, but I did get the hardcover option working.

Why does Amazon have to be in the picture at all? Can you just put up a pdf, or offer it for sale, or whatever?

Richard, keep up the good work.
You did whatever you liked and found useful.

And you are visible now in the amazon Bestseller list https://www.amazon.com/best-sellers-books-Amazon/zgbs/books/3970/ref=zg_bs_pg_2?_encoding=UTF8&pg=2
Today on place 62 ( it changes)
Congratulations.

If people do not appreciiate your work
and hesitate to buy the ebook even - using the free reader
- or do not want to invest the 10 Dollars and scan it in to have the PDF they want -
they are not really interested anyway. Or want it all for free.

If it is free , the value of your work is a lot less appreciated.
I went through a similar process and now after 10 years, there is a list of books available on amazon.
Covering Forth, other fun stuff and translation work. https://www.amazon.co.uk/Juergen-Pintaske/e/B00N8HVEZM.

Thanks for making your book available to the Forth community.

Thanks for the support! I think that's good advice. I've given away projects and technical
documentation for free before, and I may do it again, but I thought this might make a nice
book.

I don't really have a problem with Amazon, and it certainly is the most convenient way of distributing
books / self publishing. To cut out Amazon I'd either have to self-host a web-site and application,
integrate payment processing with all that entials (an interesting task in itself, and something I might
be interested in the future, but not as part of this project) or use another, less known publishing house
who I would still be beholden to, and I don't feel like that's worth it, especially for such a niche topic
as a Forth interpreter for a One Instruction Set Machine (and interesting topic for sure, but very niche).

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