I notice that in some recent discussions, we have users who cannot be...
replied to directly as their email addresses are not valid ones, and I believe on purpose. Examples in the thread I was going to reply to are:
I notice that in some recent discussions, we have users who cannot be[...]
replied to directly as their email addresses are not valid ones, and I >believe on purpose. Examples in the thread I was going to reply to are:
<mailto:HenHanna@devnull.tb> HenHanna@devnull.tb
I know some here suggest that we only reply to the wider community and
they
have a point. But I think there is a role for having some conversations >offline and especially when they are not likely to be wanted, or even >tolerated, by many in the community.
Using such fake or invalid emails makes it hard to answer the person
directly or perhaps politely ask them for more info on their request or >discuss unrelated common interests. Worse, when I reply, unless I use >reply-all, my mailer sends to them futilely. When I do the reply-all, I have >to edit out their name or get a rejection.
These mailing-lists all run under the Python Code of Conduct.
This also effects a conundrum. Firstly, that someone abusing others
(for example) shall be held responsible. Secondly, that in order to
hold someone responsible, he/she/... must be identifiable.
The mailing list has a Usenet gateway
I simply am thinking that people who do not allow me to easily reply to them directly, should be ignored by me and not get my cooperation that way.FWIW, personally I (mostly) don't see the point of replying to people personally. To me a public mailing list is much like any public forum,
AVI GROSS via Python-list schreef op 17/06/2024 om 17:03:
I simply am thinking that people who do not allow me to easily replyFWIW, personally I (mostly) don't see the point of replying to people personally. To me a public mailing list is much like any public forum,
to them
directly, should be ignored by me and not get my cooperation that way.
where my expectation is that conversations happen in public. To me it
always feels weird when I get a personal reply when I make a public post
in a mailing list. I mostly ignore those, unless there's really
something in it that's best kept out of the public. Sometimes people
write long mails with wandering thoughts only loosely related to the
topic at hand directly to me instead of to the whole list. My take is:
if it's not on-topic enough for the list, it's not on-topic enough for
me either. Not that it bothers me *that* much; I just ignore those. It's
very well possible that's just me, and that other people have different expectations.
+1
The "public" part is not to embarrass posters, but recognition that
there are likely other people 'out there' (or arriving in-future if they
care to read the archives) experiencing a similar problem. (hence need
for descriptive Subject lines - isn't the most difficult task in
programming 'choosing names'?)
I notice that in some recent discussions, we have users who cannot be
replied to directly as their email addresses are not valid ones, and I believe on purpose. Examples in the thread I was going to reply to are:
<mailto:HenHanna@devnull.tb> HenHanna@devnull.tb
<mailto:no.email@nospam.invalid> no.email@nospam.invalid
<mailto:candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid (user <candycane> is generated from /dev/urandom)
I know some here suggest that we only reply to the wider community and
they have a point. But I think there is a role for having some
conversations offline and especially when they are not likely to be
wanted, or even tolerated, by many in the community.
Using such fake or invalid emails makes it hard to answer the person
directly or perhaps politely ask them for more info on their request or discuss unrelated common interests. Worse, when I reply, unless I use reply-all, my mailer sends to them futilely. When I do the reply-all, I
have to edit out their name or get a rejection.
On 23 Jun 2024, at 06:58, Sebastian Wells via Python-list <python-list@python.org> wrote:
The spammers won the spam wars, so even if you have someone's real
e-mail address, that's no guarantee that you can contact them. You
certainly wouldn't be able to contact me at my real e-mail address,
unless you also had my phone number, so you could call me and tell
me that you sent me an e-mail, and what the subject line was so I
can find it. I don't even open my e-mail inbox unless there's a
specific message I'm expecting to find there right now.
On 23 Jun 2024, at 06:58, Sebastian Wells via Python-list <python-list@python.org> wrote:
The spammers won the spam wars, so even if you have someone's real
e-mail address, that's no guarantee that you can contact them. You
certainly wouldn't be able to contact me at my real e-mail address,
unless you also had my phone number, so you could call me and tell
me that you sent me an e-mail, and what the subject line was so I
can find it. I don't even open my e-mail inbox unless there's a
specific message I'm expecting to find there right now.
My email address is well known and yes I get spam emails.
I use the wonderful python based spambayes software to detect spam and
file into a Junk folder. It works for 99.9% of the emails I get.
I am subscribed to a lot of mailing lists. I just checked and I am getting ~3,200
emails a month of which less than 200 are spam.
A few years ago the spam count was greater than a 1,000 a month.
I have been using spambayes for a very long time, 20 years I guess at this point and bayesian categorisation has stood the test of time for me.
For me the spammers have not won, I have the tech to keep ahead of them.
Barry
On 6/24/2024 5:51 AM, Barry Scott via Python-list wrote:
On 23 Jun 2024, at 06:58, Sebastian Wells via Python-list
<python-list@python.org> wrote:
The spammers won the spam wars, so even if you have someone's real
e-mail address, that's no guarantee that you can contact them. You
certainly wouldn't be able to contact me at my real e-mail address,
unless you also had my phone number, so you could call me and tell
me that you sent me an e-mail, and what the subject line was so I
can find it. I don't even open my e-mail inbox unless there's a
specific message I'm expecting to find there right now.
My email address is well known and yes I get spam emails.
I use the wonderful python based spambayes software to detect spam and
file into a Junk folder. It works for 99.9% of the emails I get.
I use the Thunderbird mail client and I just use its built in spam detector. I don't know how it works but it's pretty darn good. Very
few false positives or false negatives. And it learns each time I
classify a message as "Junk", in case it missed one.
I am subscribed to a lot of mailing lists. I just checked and I am
getting ~3,200
emails a month of which less than 200 are spam.
A few years ago the spam count was greater than a 1,000 a month.
I have been using spambayes for a very long time, 20 years I guess at
this
point and bayesian categorisation has stood the test of time for me.
For me the spammers have not won, I have the tech to keep ahead of them.
The spammers won the spam wars, so even if you have
someone's real e-mail address, that's no guarantee that
you can contact them.
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and monitored by ListAdmins. Thus, there are controls
which limit the impact which advertisers and others with
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So long as there's a newsgroup gateway, those controls are
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