On 21 Apr 2023, at 22:00, Grant Edwards <grant.b.edwards@gmail.com> wrote:
I recently googled across the ncurses application framework npyscreen,
and was thinking about giving it a try for a small but real project (something that would be distributed to customers), but I'm a bit
concerned that npyscreen no longer "alive".
The pypi page says the homepage is http://www.npcole.com/npyscreen/,
which then points to a Google Code page at https://code.google.com/archive/p/npyscreen/.
That page says the official repo is at https://bitbucket.org/npcole/npyscreen which returns a 404.
There seems to be a copy in Github at https://github.com/npcole/npyscreen/commits/master,
but the last commit was almost 4 years ago.
Maybe it "just works" and is suitable for production?
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On 21 Apr 2023, at 22:00, Grant Edwards <grant.b.edwards@gmail.com> wrote: >>
I recently googled across the ncurses application framework npyscreen,
and was thinking about giving it a try for a small but real project
(something that would be distributed to customers), but I'm a bit
concerned that npyscreen no longer "alive".
The pypi page says the homepage is http://www.npcole.com/npyscreen/,
which then points to a Google Code page at https://code.google.com/archive/p/npyscreen/.
That page says the official repo is at https://bitbucket.org/npcole/npyscreen
which returns a 404.
There seems to be a copy in Github at https://github.com/npcole/npyscreen/commits/master,
but the last commit was almost 4 years ago.
Maybe it "just works" and is suitable for production?
Maybe this, recently lwn.net article, https://textual.textualize.io/
I was planning to check it out.
The other big advantage of an ncurses program is that since curses
support is in the std library, a curses app is simpler to distribute.
On 4/21/23 15:57, Barry wrote:
Maybe this, recently lwn.net article,
https://textual.textualize.io/ I was planning to check it out.
Textual definitely looks slick and modern. And with a modern
terminal emulator it works quite well and is responsive. I'd
definitely consider it for a TUI.
But on the Linux console, or on an older terminal, not so much.
Textual's really designed for smallish unicode fonts in a windowed environment, not any kind of real, old-school text mode. Just
something to keep in mind. 99% of terminal users are using a modern
terminal emulator these days, with full color and unicode, which is
the target of textual.
Curses-based programs don't look great on anything, but they do look consistent on more primitive terminals.
Maybe this, recently lwn.net article, https://textual.textualize.io/
I was planning to check it out.
I recently googled across the ncurses application framework npyscreen,http://mjordanshoes.com/momo99/"
and was thinking about giving it a try for a small but real project (something that would be distributed to customers), but I'm a bit
concerned that npyscreen no longer "alive".
The pypi page says the homepage is http://www.npcole.com/npyscreen/,
which then points to a Google Code page at https://code.google.com/archive/p/npyscreen/.
That page says the official repo is at https://bitbucket.org/npcole/npyscreen which returns a 404.
There seems to be a copy in Github at https://github.com/npcole/npyscreen/commits/master,
but the last commit was almost 4 years ago.
Maybe it "just works" and is suitable for production?
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and was thinking about giving it a try for a small but real project (something that would be distributed to customers), but I'm a bit
concerned that npyscreen no longer "alive".
The pypi page says the homepage is http://www.npcole.com/npyscreen/,
which then points to a Google Code page at https://code.google.com/archive/p/npyscreen/.
That page says the official repo is at https://bitbucket.org/npcole/npyscreen which returns a 404.
There seems to be a copy in Github at https://github.com/npcole/npyscreen/commits/master,
but the last commit was almost 4 years ago.
Maybe it "just works" and is suitable for production?
The other big advantage of an ncurses program is that since curses
support is in the std library, a curses app is simpler to
distribute. Right now, the application is a single .py file you
just copy to the destination machine and run. It supports
command-line use and a Tk GUI. I can add an ncurses "CUI" without
having to either adopt a more complex bundling mechanism that
requires it to be "installed" or require that users install
dependencies via pip/apt/yum/whatever.
I recently googled across the ncurses application framework npyscreen,http://mjordanshoes.com/slot-malaysia/
and was thinking about giving it a try for a small but real project (something that would be distributed to customers), but I'm a bit
concerned that npyscreen no longer "alive".
The pypi page says the homepage is http://www.npcole.com/npyscreen/,
which then points to a Google Code page at https://code.google.com/archive/p/npyscreen/.
That page says the official repo is at https://bitbucket.org/npcole/npyscreen which returns a 404.
There seems to be a copy in Github at https://github.com/npcole/npyscreen/commits/master,
but the last commit was almost 4 years ago.
Maybe it "just works" and is suitable for production?
On 2023-04-24, Grant Edwards <grant.b.edwards@gmail.com> wrote:
The other big advantage of an ncurses program is that since curses
support is in the std library, a curses app is simpler to
distribute. Right now, the application is a single .py file you
just copy to the destination machine and run. It supports
command-line use and a Tk GUI. I can add an ncurses "CUI" without
having to either adopt a more complex bundling mechanism that
requires it to be "installed" or require that users install
dependencies via pip/apt/yum/whatever.
However... I just realized that Python's curses support is missing two
huge chunks: both menu and form support are not there. I guess that
explains why people feel the need to write high-level UI wrappers for
Python curses: the high level stuff that curses does support is
missing from the Python bindings.
Adding a curses UI for my app might not be feasible after all...
--
Grant
On 4/24/23 10:32, Grant Edwards wrote:
However... I just realized that Python's curses support is missing two
huge chunks: both menu and form support are not there. I guess that
explains why people feel the need to write high-level UI wrappers for
Python curses: the high level stuff that curses does support is
missing from the Python bindings.
Adding a curses UI for my app might not be feasible after all...
I guess it's also worth mentioning that Python curses doesn't work out
of the box on Windows - because the actual curses library isn't commonly present on Windows. It's not hard to get hold of builds (check PyPI) but
that means it's no longer "standard".
Is putty running on Windows a "modern terminal emulator" in this
context? After observing some of the local IT types work, I suspect
that will be a common use-case for the app I'm working on.
Grant Edwards <grant.b.edwards@gmail.com> writes:
The other big advantage of an ncurses program is that since curses
support is in the std library, a curses app is simpler to distribute.
IIRC curses is not in the standard library /on Windows/. I miss
a platform independent (well, at least for Linux, Mac, and
Windows) package with curses features in the standard library.
On 2023-04-24, Grant Edwards <grant.b.edwards@gmail.com> wrote:
The other big advantage of an ncurses program is that since curses
support is in the std library, a curses app is simpler to
distribute. Right now, the application is a single .py file you
just copy to the destination machine and run. It supports
command-line use and a Tk GUI. I can add an ncurses "CUI" without
having to either adopt a more complex bundling mechanism that
requires it to be "installed" or require that users install
dependencies via pip/apt/yum/whatever.
However... I just realized that Python's curses support is missing two
huge chunks: both menu and form support are not there. I guess that
explains why people feel the need to write high-level UI wrappers for
Python curses: the high level stuff that curses does support is
missing from the Python bindings.
Adding a curses UI for my app might not be feasible after all...
--
Grant
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