• Mailing list server

    From Adam H. Kerman@21:1/5 to All on Sat May 20 15:46:16 2023
    Given the latest indignity Gmail is imposing upon email communication,
    it appears that I'm going to have to find a mailing list server that
    makes it appear to the recipient's Mail server that the message was
    personally addressed to him by putting his email address on To (in
    addition to ENVELOPE TO).

    This is complete overkill given my email use but I'm having
    messages rejected (or not delivered at all without being sent an error
    message) when I'm using alpine's distribution list feature, not alpine's
    fault in any way.

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  • From Adam H. Kerman@21:1/5 to Carlos E.R. on Fri Jun 16 22:11:19 2023
    Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
    On 2023-05-20 17:46, Adam H. Kerman wrote:

    Given the latest indignity Gmail is imposing upon email communication,
    it appears that I'm going to have to find a mailing list server that
    makes it appear to the recipient's Mail server that the message was >>personally addressed to him by putting his email address on To (in
    addition to ENVELOPE TO).

    This is complete overkill given my email use but I'm having
    messages rejected (or not delivered at all without being sent an error >>message) when I'm using alpine's distribution list feature, not alpine's >>fault in any way.

    Well, for instance I am subscribed to several opensuse.org mail lists.
    They are using mailman3/Postorious/Hyperkitty/.

    When email appears from some posters with problematic servers, they
    replace the "From" header:

    X-MailFrom: ...@opensuse.org
    From: Some One via openSUSE Factory <factory@lists.opensuse.org>
    Reply-To: Some One <...@suse.com>

    That's From re-writing due to DMARC policies, nothing to do with anything
    I asked about. I do not want From rewritten.

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  • From Carlos E.R.@21:1/5 to Adam H. Kerman on Fri Jun 16 23:57:24 2023
    On 2023-05-20 17:46, Adam H. Kerman wrote:
    Given the latest indignity Gmail is imposing upon email communication,
    it appears that I'm going to have to find a mailing list server that
    makes it appear to the recipient's Mail server that the message was personally addressed to him by putting his email address on To (in
    addition to ENVELOPE TO).

    This is complete overkill given my email use but I'm having
    messages rejected (or not delivered at all without being sent an error message) when I'm using alpine's distribution list feature, not alpine's fault in any way.

    Well, for instance I am subscribed to several opensuse.org mail lists.
    They are using mailman3/Postorious/Hyperkitty/.

    When email appears from some posters with problematic servers, they
    replace the "From" header:

    X-MailFrom: ...@opensuse.org
    From: Some One via openSUSE Factory <factory@lists.opensuse.org>
    Reply-To: Some One <...@suse.com>

    --
    Cheers, Carlos.

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  • From Adam H. Kerman@21:1/5 to All on Wed Aug 21 21:37:09 2024
    Right now, I'm using mailman as a list server.

    What are other people using?

    I just tried gaggle.email, which lives on their cloud server. Its
    heavy-handed interpretation of DKIM rewrites each and every From header
    without recourse. From is changed to the list-posting address. There is
    a sub-address option that will create a sub-address under the
    list-posting address unique to the author.

    I don't want From rewritten under any circumstances.

    Also, messages are sent as multipart with alternative part attachment. I couldn't see a way to send plain text. And the .sigfile with list
    management information appears to be mandatory.

    I'm not looking for services that don't allow the list owner to add a subscriber, allowing the list owner to invite someone. These aren't
    general discussion lists nor opt-in marketing lists.

    Just wondering what alternatives there are to mailman right now.

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  • From D@21:1/5 to Adam H. Kerman on Thu Aug 22 09:48:11 2024
    On Wed, 21 Aug 2024, Adam H. Kerman wrote:

    Right now, I'm using mailman as a list server.

    What are other people using?

    I just tried gaggle.email, which lives on their cloud server. Its heavy-handed interpretation of DKIM rewrites each and every From header without recourse. From is changed to the list-posting address. There is
    a sub-address option that will create a sub-address under the
    list-posting address unique to the author.

    I don't want From rewritten under any circumstances.

    Also, messages are sent as multipart with alternative part attachment. I couldn't see a way to send plain text. And the .sigfile with list
    management information appears to be mandatory.

    I'm not looking for services that don't allow the list owner to add a subscriber, allowing the list owner to invite someone. These aren't
    general discussion lists nor opt-in marketing lists.

    Just wondering what alternatives there are to mailman right now.


    I think perhaps you should look at other mail providers. I think that
    maybe there is where you will find the bigger difference?

    I use infomaniak.com for my email and I'm a happy customer. I think they
    have mailinglists as well and are very open source oriented.

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  • From Julius Bernotas@21:1/5 to Adam H. Kerman on Thu Aug 22 09:46:03 2024
    "Adam H. Kerman" <ahk@chinet.com> writes:

    Right now, I'm using mailman as a list server.

    What are other people using?

    I just tried gaggle.email, which lives on their cloud server. Its >heavy-handed interpretation of DKIM rewrites each and every From header >without recourse. From is changed to the list-posting address. There is
    a sub-address option that will create a sub-address under the
    list-posting address unique to the author.

    I don't want From rewritten under any circumstances.

    Also, messages are sent as multipart with alternative part attachment. I >couldn't see a way to send plain text. And the .sigfile with list
    management information appears to be mandatory.

    I'm not looking for services that don't allow the list owner to add a >subscriber, allowing the list owner to invite someone. These aren't
    general discussion lists nor opt-in marketing lists.

    Just wondering what alternatives there are to mailman right now.

    Gentoo lists use smartlists if I'm not mistaken. When I was attending
    college at Ecole Centrale Paris we used sympa for our mailing lists.
    I use neither smartlists nor sympa as an admin today. I don't know
    whether the software is well maintained today. So don't blame me.

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  • From Adam H. Kerman@21:1/5 to Julius Bernotas on Thu Aug 22 13:11:41 2024
    Julius Bernotas <gaussianblue@tilde.pink> wrote:

    . . .

    Gentoo lists use smartlists if I'm not mistaken. When I was attending
    college at Ecole Centrale Paris we used sympa for our mailing lists.
    I use neither smartlists nor sympa as an admin today. I don't know
    whether the software is well maintained today. So don't blame me.

    Ah. That uses procmail, which I haven't used in a long time. Thanks.

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