• Changes in Time Zones

    From gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com@21:1/5 to All on Thu Feb 16 03:06:10 2023
    Eudora normally picks up the time zone used by the computer it is running on. But it seems this is only checked when starting Eudora. My laptop travels between time zones, EST (-5) and AST (-4). It always seems to be behind, or otherwise upset by the
    time zone change.

    The time on incoming email is reported correctly (I think). 17:55 +8 shows as 4:55 AM in EST (-5). But I just sent a reply and it showed as 6:54 am while the clock said 5:54 am. 6:54 am would have been correct in the AST time zone.

    Is there a way to get Eudora to pick up time changes without shutting it down and restarting it?

    --

    Rick C.

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  • From DaveH2@21:1/5 to gnuarm.del...@gmail.com on Fri Feb 17 04:04:17 2023
    On Thursday, 16 February 2023 at 11:06:11 UTC, gnuarm.del...@gmail.com wrote:
    Eudora normally picks up the time zone used by the computer it is running on. But it seems this is only checked when starting Eudora. My laptop travels between time zones, EST (-5) and AST (-4). It always seems to be behind, or otherwise upset by the
    time zone change.

    The time on incoming email is reported correctly (I think). 17:55 +8 shows as 4:55 AM in EST (-5). But I just sent a reply and it showed as 6:54 am while the clock said 5:54 am. 6:54 am would have been correct in the AST time zone.

    Is there a way to get Eudora to pick up time changes without shutting it down and restarting it?

    --

    Rick C.

    - Get 1,000 miles of free Supercharging
    - Tesla referral code - https://ts.la/richard11209

    Presumably your laptop has a mechanism to correct its clock when you change between zones?
    Most programs will pick up that time when started, but may not automatically update if it changes.
    I don't think there's any guaranteed option other than to restart Eudora, but surely that's not too much hassle, and is good practice to do anyway to keep it running smoothly?! You could set up a batch file to stop it and restart it again, but that could
    be dangerous if you accidentally ran it while Eudora was doing something.

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  • From gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com@21:1/5 to All on Fri Feb 17 22:32:47 2023
    On Friday, February 17, 2023 at 7:04:18 AM UTC-5, DaveH2 wrote:
    On Thursday, 16 February 2023 at 11:06:11 UTC, gnuarm.del...@gmail.com wrote:
    Eudora normally picks up the time zone used by the computer it is running on. But it seems this is only checked when starting Eudora. My laptop travels between time zones, EST (-5) and AST (-4). It always seems to be behind, or otherwise upset by the
    time zone change.

    The time on incoming email is reported correctly (I think). 17:55 +8 shows as 4:55 AM in EST (-5). But I just sent a reply and it showed as 6:54 am while the clock said 5:54 am. 6:54 am would have been correct in the AST time zone.

    Is there a way to get Eudora to pick up time changes without shutting it down and restarting it?

    --

    Rick C.

    - Get 1,000 miles of free Supercharging
    - Tesla referral code - https://ts.la/richard11209

    Presumably your laptop has a mechanism to correct its clock when you change between zones?
    Most programs will pick up that time when started, but may not automatically update if it changes.
    I don't think there's any guaranteed option other than to restart Eudora, but surely that's not too much hassle, and is good practice to do anyway to keep it running smoothly?! You could set up a batch file to stop it and restart it again, but that
    could be dangerous if you accidentally ran it while Eudora was doing something.

    The laptop changes time zone and time properly. It is only Eudora that has emotional problems when the computer changes. I see my original post was not written clearly. When I said, " It always seems to be behind, or otherwise upset by the time zone
    change." "It" was referring to Eudora, not the laptop.

    Actually it is a hassle to restart Eudora. I am one of those people who like windows and such a certain way, to optimize finding the information I'm looking for. So I have some eight mailboxes open at all times. Eudora brings them up in exactly the
    reverse order they were in when it was last shut down, (or crashed) so I have to sort that out every time it is started. Then there are the mailboxes that were open for timely reference of current interest. It is a real pain to try to get them sorted,
    since I have to close them one at a time, then reopen in the right place. I'm sure I have a hundred mailboxes in forty folders

    Sometimes it's exhausting being OCD, even a little bit. :( Eudora is not very tolerant of this.

    I don't find problems with needing to shut down programs to keep them "running smoothly", well, not since I ran Windows 95! I skipped Win98 and WinME, moving to Win2k and never looked back. I'm really disappointed that Gates kept us running that total
    piece of crap for so long. Win95 literally would not run for much more than an hour without crashing once a few drivers were installed. But the OS by itself was still buggy, it even crashed on Bill Gates at a presentation to the world!

    I can generally keep my computer running for well over a month without restarting it. Once in a while a browser (not known for stability much) will crash and muck up the machine with it. Typically something goes haywire with the screen configuration
    and the laptop has to be booted. But like I said, less than 8 times a year.

    I had a very odd thing for awhile. The machine would completely turn off, for no clear reason. Even the light on the computer that shows a power pack is plugged in, would not light. I'd play with the power button and unplugging the power pack for
    awhile and eventually that power light would come back on, allowing me to hold the power button and reset the computer. That kept happening randomly for around a month or so. I actually bought another laptop that I didn't like, just so I would have an
    emergency backup.

    The failures got a bit more frequent for a couple of days, and eventually I found I could crash it by twisting the laptop body a bit. Sounds like a connector problem to me! I was all ready to open it up and find the problem, but it stopped failing! It
    hasn't done that in weeks now. Still, I keep everything important backed up.

    Computers suck! But like a friend pointed out when I complained about how the cell phones would not work reliably when traveling. You can't use your land line when in the car, so not really comparable.

    Maybe I should just leave my laptop on one timezone setting and use my phone for the time? It's important for the emails to be properly timestamped, and I don't know if this is just a display problem, or if the times will always be messed up on emails
    received with the time set wrong. Like people who don't understand tha they can't just set the time on their computers, they have to use the right time zone, or it displays the wrong time on the emails I receive. The whole world is not on the same time
    zone as Redmond, WA.

    --

    Rick C.

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  • From DaveH2@21:1/5 to gnuarm.del...@gmail.com on Sat Feb 18 05:01:01 2023
    On Saturday, 18 February 2023 at 06:32:48 UTC, gnuarm.del...@gmail.com wrote:
    On Friday, February 17, 2023 at 7:04:18 AM UTC-5, DaveH2 wrote:
    On Thursday, 16 February 2023 at 11:06:11 UTC, gnuarm.del...@gmail.com wrote:
    Eudora normally picks up the time zone used by the computer it is running on. But it seems this is only checked when starting Eudora. My laptop travels between time zones, EST (-5) and AST (-4). It always seems to be behind, or otherwise upset by
    the time zone change.

    The time on incoming email is reported correctly (I think). 17:55 +8 shows as 4:55 AM in EST (-5). But I just sent a reply and it showed as 6:54 am while the clock said 5:54 am. 6:54 am would have been correct in the AST time zone.

    Is there a way to get Eudora to pick up time changes without shutting it down and restarting it?

    --

    Rick C.

    - Get 1,000 miles of free Supercharging
    - Tesla referral code - https://ts.la/richard11209

    Presumably your laptop has a mechanism to correct its clock when you change between zones?
    Most programs will pick up that time when started, but may not automatically update if it changes.
    I don't think there's any guaranteed option other than to restart Eudora, but surely that's not too much hassle, and is good practice to do anyway to keep it running smoothly?! You could set up a batch file to stop it and restart it again, but that
    could be dangerous if you accidentally ran it while Eudora was doing something.
    The laptop changes time zone and time properly. It is only Eudora that has emotional problems when the computer changes. I see my original post was not written clearly. When I said, " It always seems to be behind, or otherwise upset by the time zone
    change." "It" was referring to Eudora, not the laptop.

    Actually it is a hassle to restart Eudora. I am one of those people who like windows and such a certain way, to optimize finding the information I'm looking for. So I have some eight mailboxes open at all times. Eudora brings them up in exactly the
    reverse order they were in when it was last shut down, (or crashed) so I have to sort that out every time it is started. Then there are the mailboxes that were open for timely reference of current interest. It is a real pain to try to get them sorted,
    since I have to close them one at a time, then reopen in the right place. I'm sure I have a hundred mailboxes in forty folders

    Sometimes it's exhausting being OCD, even a little bit. :( Eudora is not very tolerant of this.

    I don't find problems with needing to shut down programs to keep them "running smoothly", well, not since I ran Windows 95! I skipped Win98 and WinME, moving to Win2k and never looked back. I'm really disappointed that Gates kept us running that total
    piece of crap for so long. Win95 literally would not run for much more than an hour without crashing once a few drivers were installed. But the OS by itself was still buggy, it even crashed on Bill Gates at a presentation to the world!

    I can generally keep my computer running for well over a month without restarting it. Once in a while a browser (not known for stability much) will crash and muck up the machine with it. Typically something goes haywire with the screen configuration
    and the laptop has to be booted. But like I said, less than 8 times a year.

    I had a very odd thing for awhile. The machine would completely turn off, for no clear reason. Even the light on the computer that shows a power pack is plugged in, would not light. I'd play with the power button and unplugging the power pack for
    awhile and eventually that power light would come back on, allowing me to hold the power button and reset the computer. That kept happening randomly for around a month or so. I actually bought another laptop that I didn't like, just so I would have an
    emergency backup.

    The failures got a bit more frequent for a couple of days, and eventually I found I could crash it by twisting the laptop body a bit. Sounds like a connector problem to me! I was all ready to open it up and find the problem, but it stopped failing! It
    hasn't done that in weeks now. Still, I keep everything important backed up.

    Computers suck! But like a friend pointed out when I complained about how the cell phones would not work reliably when traveling. You can't use your land line when in the car, so not really comparable.

    Maybe I should just leave my laptop on one timezone setting and use my phone for the time? It's important for the emails to be properly timestamped, and I don't know if this is just a display problem, or if the times will always be messed up on emails
    received with the time set wrong. Like people who don't understand tha they can't just set the time on their computers, they have to use the right time zone, or it displays the wrong time on the emails I receive. The whole world is not on the same time
    zone as Redmond, WA.

    --

    Rick C.

    + Get 1,000 miles of free Supercharging
    + Tesla referral code - https://ts.la/richard11209

    So you presumably manually change the timezone on your laptop when you move between the two zones, or does it use geo-positioning to do it automatically?
    I understand why you don't want to restart Eudora all the time, I only have the four system mailboxes open all the time, and I get annoyed when their order sometimes changes on the display, which it shouldn't do! Strangely, after a restart they are
    sometimes correct again.
    I would have thought that Eudora should always use the computer's current clock time to timestamp messages, but it looks as if it's not doing that.
    If that's the case, I don't see an answer to this I'm afraid.
    Cheers, Dave.

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  • From gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com@21:1/5 to All on Sun Feb 19 07:41:08 2023
    On Saturday, February 18, 2023 at 8:01:03 AM UTC-5, DaveH2 wrote:
    On Saturday, 18 February 2023 at 06:32:48 UTC, gnuarm.del...@gmail.com wrote:
    On Friday, February 17, 2023 at 7:04:18 AM UTC-5, DaveH2 wrote:
    On Thursday, 16 February 2023 at 11:06:11 UTC, gnuarm.del...@gmail.com wrote:
    Eudora normally picks up the time zone used by the computer it is running on. But it seems this is only checked when starting Eudora. My laptop travels between time zones, EST (-5) and AST (-4). It always seems to be behind, or otherwise upset by
    the time zone change.

    The time on incoming email is reported correctly (I think). 17:55 +8 shows as 4:55 AM in EST (-5). But I just sent a reply and it showed as 6:54 am while the clock said 5:54 am. 6:54 am would have been correct in the AST time zone.

    Is there a way to get Eudora to pick up time changes without shutting it down and restarting it?

    --

    Rick C.

    - Get 1,000 miles of free Supercharging
    - Tesla referral code - https://ts.la/richard11209

    Presumably your laptop has a mechanism to correct its clock when you change between zones?
    Most programs will pick up that time when started, but may not automatically update if it changes.
    I don't think there's any guaranteed option other than to restart Eudora, but surely that's not too much hassle, and is good practice to do anyway to keep it running smoothly?! You could set up a batch file to stop it and restart it again, but that
    could be dangerous if you accidentally ran it while Eudora was doing something.
    The laptop changes time zone and time properly. It is only Eudora that has emotional problems when the computer changes. I see my original post was not written clearly. When I said, " It always seems to be behind, or otherwise upset by the time zone
    change." "It" was referring to Eudora, not the laptop.

    Actually it is a hassle to restart Eudora. I am one of those people who like windows and such a certain way, to optimize finding the information I'm looking for. So I have some eight mailboxes open at all times. Eudora brings them up in exactly the
    reverse order they were in when it was last shut down, (or crashed) so I have to sort that out every time it is started. Then there are the mailboxes that were open for timely reference of current interest. It is a real pain to try to get them sorted,
    since I have to close them one at a time, then reopen in the right place. I'm sure I have a hundred mailboxes in forty folders

    Sometimes it's exhausting being OCD, even a little bit. :( Eudora is not very tolerant of this.

    I don't find problems with needing to shut down programs to keep them "running smoothly", well, not since I ran Windows 95! I skipped Win98 and WinME, moving to Win2k and never looked back. I'm really disappointed that Gates kept us running that
    total piece of crap for so long. Win95 literally would not run for much more than an hour without crashing once a few drivers were installed. But the OS by itself was still buggy, it even crashed on Bill Gates at a presentation to the world!

    I can generally keep my computer running for well over a month without restarting it. Once in a while a browser (not known for stability much) will crash and muck up the machine with it. Typically something goes haywire with the screen configuration
    and the laptop has to be booted. But like I said, less than 8 times a year.

    I had a very odd thing for awhile. The machine would completely turn off, for no clear reason. Even the light on the computer that shows a power pack is plugged in, would not light. I'd play with the power button and unplugging the power pack for
    awhile and eventually that power light would come back on, allowing me to hold the power button and reset the computer. That kept happening randomly for around a month or so. I actually bought another laptop that I didn't like, just so I would have an
    emergency backup.

    The failures got a bit more frequent for a couple of days, and eventually I found I could crash it by twisting the laptop body a bit. Sounds like a connector problem to me! I was all ready to open it up and find the problem, but it stopped failing!
    It hasn't done that in weeks now. Still, I keep everything important backed up.

    Computers suck! But like a friend pointed out when I complained about how the cell phones would not work reliably when traveling. You can't use your land line when in the car, so not really comparable.

    Maybe I should just leave my laptop on one timezone setting and use my phone for the time? It's important for the emails to be properly timestamped, and I don't know if this is just a display problem, or if the times will always be messed up on
    emails received with the time set wrong. Like people who don't understand tha they can't just set the time on their computers, they have to use the right time zone, or it displays the wrong time on the emails I receive. The whole world is not on the same
    time zone as Redmond, WA.

    --

    Rick C.

    + Get 1,000 miles of free Supercharging
    + Tesla referral code - https://ts.la/richard11209

    So you presumably manually change the timezone on your laptop when you move between the two zones, or does it use geo-positioning to do it automatically?

    Geopositioning??? It checks with the network it is connected to which supplies the time zone. The phone would do the same thing, but the phone network reports eastern US time in Puerto Rico for some reason. So that, I have to change manually.


    I understand why you don't want to restart Eudora all the time, I only have the four system mailboxes open all the time, and I get annoyed when their order sometimes changes on the display, which it shouldn't do! Strangely, after a restart they are
    sometimes correct again.

    The annoying part is that you can't drag the tabs around to reorder them. But tabs were probably a new idea in 2000. So we can't expect them to be 100% functional by today's standards.


    I would have thought that Eudora should always use the computer's current clock time to timestamp messages, but it looks as if it's not doing that.
    If that's the case, I don't see an answer to this I'm afraid.
    Cheers, Dave.

    The time for incoming emails are in the emails. That's why time is always given as UTC referenced. The displayed time is adjusted for your local time. I suppose this issue is only about the displayed time for incoming emails. I don't recall if the
    outgoing emails get the right time or not. I need to watch it more carefully next time I fly.

    --

    Rick C.

    -- Get 1,000 miles of free Supercharging
    -- Tesla referral code - https://ts.la/richard11209

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  • From DaveH2@21:1/5 to gnuarm.del...@gmail.com on Sun Feb 19 10:11:34 2023
    On Sunday, 19 February 2023 at 15:41:10 UTC, gnuarm.del...@gmail.com wrote:
    On Saturday, February 18, 2023 at 8:01:03 AM UTC-5, DaveH2 wrote:
    On Saturday, 18 February 2023 at 06:32:48 UTC, gnuarm.del...@gmail.com wrote:
    On Friday, February 17, 2023 at 7:04:18 AM UTC-5, DaveH2 wrote:
    On Thursday, 16 February 2023 at 11:06:11 UTC, gnuarm.del...@gmail.com wrote:
    Eudora normally picks up the time zone used by the computer it is running on. But it seems this is only checked when starting Eudora. My laptop travels between time zones, EST (-5) and AST (-4). It always seems to be behind, or otherwise upset
    by the time zone change.

    The time on incoming email is reported correctly (I think). 17:55 +8 shows as 4:55 AM in EST (-5). But I just sent a reply and it showed as 6:54 am while the clock said 5:54 am. 6:54 am would have been correct in the AST time zone.

    Is there a way to get Eudora to pick up time changes without shutting it down and restarting it?

    --

    Rick C.

    - Get 1,000 miles of free Supercharging
    - Tesla referral code - https://ts.la/richard11209

    Presumably your laptop has a mechanism to correct its clock when you change between zones?
    Most programs will pick up that time when started, but may not automatically update if it changes.
    I don't think there's any guaranteed option other than to restart Eudora, but surely that's not too much hassle, and is good practice to do anyway to keep it running smoothly?! You could set up a batch file to stop it and restart it again, but
    that could be dangerous if you accidentally ran it while Eudora was doing something.
    The laptop changes time zone and time properly. It is only Eudora that has emotional problems when the computer changes. I see my original post was not written clearly. When I said, " It always seems to be behind, or otherwise upset by the time
    zone change." "It" was referring to Eudora, not the laptop.

    Actually it is a hassle to restart Eudora. I am one of those people who like windows and such a certain way, to optimize finding the information I'm looking for. So I have some eight mailboxes open at all times. Eudora brings them up in exactly the
    reverse order they were in when it was last shut down, (or crashed) so I have to sort that out every time it is started. Then there are the mailboxes that were open for timely reference of current interest. It is a real pain to try to get them sorted,
    since I have to close them one at a time, then reopen in the right place. I'm sure I have a hundred mailboxes in forty folders

    Sometimes it's exhausting being OCD, even a little bit. :( Eudora is not very tolerant of this.

    I don't find problems with needing to shut down programs to keep them "running smoothly", well, not since I ran Windows 95! I skipped Win98 and WinME, moving to Win2k and never looked back. I'm really disappointed that Gates kept us running that
    total piece of crap for so long. Win95 literally would not run for much more than an hour without crashing once a few drivers were installed. But the OS by itself was still buggy, it even crashed on Bill Gates at a presentation to the world!

    I can generally keep my computer running for well over a month without restarting it. Once in a while a browser (not known for stability much) will crash and muck up the machine with it. Typically something goes haywire with the screen
    configuration and the laptop has to be booted. But like I said, less than 8 times a year.

    I had a very odd thing for awhile. The machine would completely turn off, for no clear reason. Even the light on the computer that shows a power pack is plugged in, would not light. I'd play with the power button and unplugging the power pack for
    awhile and eventually that power light would come back on, allowing me to hold the power button and reset the computer. That kept happening randomly for around a month or so. I actually bought another laptop that I didn't like, just so I would have an
    emergency backup.

    The failures got a bit more frequent for a couple of days, and eventually I found I could crash it by twisting the laptop body a bit. Sounds like a connector problem to me! I was all ready to open it up and find the problem, but it stopped failing!
    It hasn't done that in weeks now. Still, I keep everything important backed up.

    Computers suck! But like a friend pointed out when I complained about how the cell phones would not work reliably when traveling. You can't use your land line when in the car, so not really comparable.

    Maybe I should just leave my laptop on one timezone setting and use my phone for the time? It's important for the emails to be properly timestamped, and I don't know if this is just a display problem, or if the times will always be messed up on
    emails received with the time set wrong. Like people who don't understand tha they can't just set the time on their computers, they have to use the right time zone, or it displays the wrong time on the emails I receive. The whole world is not on the same
    time zone as Redmond, WA.

    --

    Rick C.

    + Get 1,000 miles of free Supercharging
    + Tesla referral code - https://ts.la/richard11209

    So you presumably manually change the timezone on your laptop when you move between the two zones, or does it use geo-positioning to do it automatically?
    Geopositioning??? It checks with the network it is connected to which supplies the time zone. The phone would do the same thing, but the phone network reports eastern US time in Puerto Rico for some reason. So that, I have to change manually.
    I understand why you don't want to restart Eudora all the time, I only have the four system mailboxes open all the time, and I get annoyed when their order sometimes changes on the display, which it shouldn't do! Strangely, after a restart they are
    sometimes correct again.
    The annoying part is that you can't drag the tabs around to reorder them. But tabs were probably a new idea in 2000. So we can't expect them to be 100% functional by today's standards.
    I would have thought that Eudora should always use the computer's current clock time to timestamp messages, but it looks as if it's not doing that.
    If that's the case, I don't see an answer to this I'm afraid.
    Cheers, Dave.
    The time for incoming emails are in the emails. That's why time is always given as UTC referenced. The displayed time is adjusted for your local time. I suppose this issue is only about the displayed time for incoming emails. I don't recall if the
    outgoing emails get the right time or not. I need to watch it more carefully next time I fly.

    --

    Rick C.

    -- Get 1,000 miles of free Supercharging
    -- Tesla referral code - https://ts.la/richard11209

    I just wondered if your laptop had geo-positioning hardware in it like a phone or tablet, I believe recent ones do, which would automatically set your timezone according to your location. I guess being connected to a mobile network would do the same if
    the software does it, mine doesn't as far as I know. I'll have to try connecting my netbook to a mobile network instead of Wi-Fi the next time I go abroad!
    Have you tried playing with the 'Display dates using' option under Options>Date Display?

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  • From gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com@21:1/5 to All on Mon Feb 20 11:00:23 2023
    On Sunday, February 19, 2023 at 1:11:35 PM UTC-5, DaveH2 wrote:
    On Sunday, 19 February 2023 at 15:41:10 UTC, gnuarm.del...@gmail.com wrote:
    On Saturday, February 18, 2023 at 8:01:03 AM UTC-5, DaveH2 wrote:
    On Saturday, 18 February 2023 at 06:32:48 UTC, gnuarm.del...@gmail.com wrote:
    On Friday, February 17, 2023 at 7:04:18 AM UTC-5, DaveH2 wrote:
    On Thursday, 16 February 2023 at 11:06:11 UTC, gnuarm.del...@gmail.com wrote:
    Eudora normally picks up the time zone used by the computer it is running on. But it seems this is only checked when starting Eudora. My laptop travels between time zones, EST (-5) and AST (-4). It always seems to be behind, or otherwise
    upset by the time zone change.

    The time on incoming email is reported correctly (I think). 17:55 +8 shows as 4:55 AM in EST (-5). But I just sent a reply and it showed as 6:54 am while the clock said 5:54 am. 6:54 am would have been correct in the AST time zone.

    Is there a way to get Eudora to pick up time changes without shutting it down and restarting it?

    --

    Rick C.

    - Get 1,000 miles of free Supercharging
    - Tesla referral code - https://ts.la/richard11209

    Presumably your laptop has a mechanism to correct its clock when you change between zones?
    Most programs will pick up that time when started, but may not automatically update if it changes.
    I don't think there's any guaranteed option other than to restart Eudora, but surely that's not too much hassle, and is good practice to do anyway to keep it running smoothly?! You could set up a batch file to stop it and restart it again, but
    that could be dangerous if you accidentally ran it while Eudora was doing something.
    The laptop changes time zone and time properly. It is only Eudora that has emotional problems when the computer changes. I see my original post was not written clearly. When I said, " It always seems to be behind, or otherwise upset by the time
    zone change." "It" was referring to Eudora, not the laptop.

    Actually it is a hassle to restart Eudora. I am one of those people who like windows and such a certain way, to optimize finding the information I'm looking for. So I have some eight mailboxes open at all times. Eudora brings them up in exactly
    the reverse order they were in when it was last shut down, (or crashed) so I have to sort that out every time it is started. Then there are the mailboxes that were open for timely reference of current interest. It is a real pain to try to get them sorted,
    since I have to close them one at a time, then reopen in the right place. I'm sure I have a hundred mailboxes in forty folders

    Sometimes it's exhausting being OCD, even a little bit. :( Eudora is not very tolerant of this.

    I don't find problems with needing to shut down programs to keep them "running smoothly", well, not since I ran Windows 95! I skipped Win98 and WinME, moving to Win2k and never looked back. I'm really disappointed that Gates kept us running that
    total piece of crap for so long. Win95 literally would not run for much more than an hour without crashing once a few drivers were installed. But the OS by itself was still buggy, it even crashed on Bill Gates at a presentation to the world!

    I can generally keep my computer running for well over a month without restarting it. Once in a while a browser (not known for stability much) will crash and muck up the machine with it. Typically something goes haywire with the screen
    configuration and the laptop has to be booted. But like I said, less than 8 times a year.

    I had a very odd thing for awhile. The machine would completely turn off, for no clear reason. Even the light on the computer that shows a power pack is plugged in, would not light. I'd play with the power button and unplugging the power pack for
    awhile and eventually that power light would come back on, allowing me to hold the power button and reset the computer. That kept happening randomly for around a month or so. I actually bought another laptop that I didn't like, just so I would have an
    emergency backup.

    The failures got a bit more frequent for a couple of days, and eventually I found I could crash it by twisting the laptop body a bit. Sounds like a connector problem to me! I was all ready to open it up and find the problem, but it stopped
    failing! It hasn't done that in weeks now. Still, I keep everything important backed up.

    Computers suck! But like a friend pointed out when I complained about how the cell phones would not work reliably when traveling. You can't use your land line when in the car, so not really comparable.

    Maybe I should just leave my laptop on one timezone setting and use my phone for the time? It's important for the emails to be properly timestamped, and I don't know if this is just a display problem, or if the times will always be messed up on
    emails received with the time set wrong. Like people who don't understand tha they can't just set the time on their computers, they have to use the right time zone, or it displays the wrong time on the emails I receive. The whole world is not on the same
    time zone as Redmond, WA.

    --

    Rick C.

    + Get 1,000 miles of free Supercharging
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    So you presumably manually change the timezone on your laptop when you move between the two zones, or does it use geo-positioning to do it automatically?
    Geopositioning??? It checks with the network it is connected to which supplies the time zone. The phone would do the same thing, but the phone network reports eastern US time in Puerto Rico for some reason. So that, I have to change manually.
    I understand why you don't want to restart Eudora all the time, I only have the four system mailboxes open all the time, and I get annoyed when their order sometimes changes on the display, which it shouldn't do! Strangely, after a restart they are
    sometimes correct again.
    The annoying part is that you can't drag the tabs around to reorder them. But tabs were probably a new idea in 2000. So we can't expect them to be 100% functional by today's standards.
    I would have thought that Eudora should always use the computer's current clock time to timestamp messages, but it looks as if it's not doing that.
    If that's the case, I don't see an answer to this I'm afraid.
    Cheers, Dave.
    The time for incoming emails are in the emails. That's why time is always given as UTC referenced. The displayed time is adjusted for your local time. I suppose this issue is only about the displayed time for incoming emails. I don't recall if the
    outgoing emails get the right time or not. I need to watch it more carefully next time I fly.

    --

    Rick C.

    -- Get 1,000 miles of free Supercharging
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    I just wondered if your laptop had geo-positioning hardware in it like a phone or tablet, I believe recent ones do, which would automatically set your timezone according to your location. I guess being connected to a mobile network would do the same if
    the software does it, mine doesn't as far as I know. I'll have to try connecting my netbook to a mobile network instead of Wi-Fi the next time I go abroad!
    Have you tried playing with the 'Display dates using' option under Options>Date Display?

    I'm not sure what you mean by "geo-positioning hardware", but I assume you mean a GPS module, right? No, my laptop does not have that and I suspect it is very rare on laptops in general. They will trim features from a laptop costing pennies, so I
    seriously doubt many will have GPS hardware as that costs a few bucks, even if only the front end with the rest done in the main CPU.

    I'm not sure what you are suggesting about the settings. The date display option is set to show local time, rather than sender's time.

    --

    Rick C.

    -+ Get 1,000 miles of free Supercharging
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  • From DaveH2@21:1/5 to gnuarm.del...@gmail.com on Mon Feb 20 11:19:25 2023
    On Monday, 20 February 2023 at 19:00:24 UTC, gnuarm.del...@gmail.com wrote:
    On Sunday, February 19, 2023 at 1:11:35 PM UTC-5, DaveH2 wrote:
    On Sunday, 19 February 2023 at 15:41:10 UTC, gnuarm.del...@gmail.com wrote:
    On Saturday, February 18, 2023 at 8:01:03 AM UTC-5, DaveH2 wrote:
    On Saturday, 18 February 2023 at 06:32:48 UTC, gnuarm.del...@gmail.com wrote:
    On Friday, February 17, 2023 at 7:04:18 AM UTC-5, DaveH2 wrote:
    On Thursday, 16 February 2023 at 11:06:11 UTC, gnuarm.del...@gmail.com wrote:
    Eudora normally picks up the time zone used by the computer it is running on. But it seems this is only checked when starting Eudora. My laptop travels between time zones, EST (-5) and AST (-4). It always seems to be behind, or otherwise
    upset by the time zone change.

    The time on incoming email is reported correctly (I think). 17:55 +8 shows as 4:55 AM in EST (-5). But I just sent a reply and it showed as 6:54 am while the clock said 5:54 am. 6:54 am would have been correct in the AST time zone.

    Is there a way to get Eudora to pick up time changes without shutting it down and restarting it?

    --

    Rick C.

    - Get 1,000 miles of free Supercharging
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    Presumably your laptop has a mechanism to correct its clock when you change between zones?
    Most programs will pick up that time when started, but may not automatically update if it changes.
    I don't think there's any guaranteed option other than to restart Eudora, but surely that's not too much hassle, and is good practice to do anyway to keep it running smoothly?! You could set up a batch file to stop it and restart it again,
    but that could be dangerous if you accidentally ran it while Eudora was doing something.
    The laptop changes time zone and time properly. It is only Eudora that has emotional problems when the computer changes. I see my original post was not written clearly. When I said, " It always seems to be behind, or otherwise upset by the time
    zone change." "It" was referring to Eudora, not the laptop.

    Actually it is a hassle to restart Eudora. I am one of those people who like windows and such a certain way, to optimize finding the information I'm looking for. So I have some eight mailboxes open at all times. Eudora brings them up in exactly
    the reverse order they were in when it was last shut down, (or crashed) so I have to sort that out every time it is started. Then there are the mailboxes that were open for timely reference of current interest. It is a real pain to try to get them sorted,
    since I have to close them one at a time, then reopen in the right place. I'm sure I have a hundred mailboxes in forty folders

    Sometimes it's exhausting being OCD, even a little bit. :( Eudora is not very tolerant of this.

    I don't find problems with needing to shut down programs to keep them "running smoothly", well, not since I ran Windows 95! I skipped Win98 and WinME, moving to Win2k and never looked back. I'm really disappointed that Gates kept us running
    that total piece of crap for so long. Win95 literally would not run for much more than an hour without crashing once a few drivers were installed. But the OS by itself was still buggy, it even crashed on Bill Gates at a presentation to the world!

    I can generally keep my computer running for well over a month without restarting it. Once in a while a browser (not known for stability much) will crash and muck up the machine with it. Typically something goes haywire with the screen
    configuration and the laptop has to be booted. But like I said, less than 8 times a year.

    I had a very odd thing for awhile. The machine would completely turn off, for no clear reason. Even the light on the computer that shows a power pack is plugged in, would not light. I'd play with the power button and unplugging the power pack
    for awhile and eventually that power light would come back on, allowing me to hold the power button and reset the computer. That kept happening randomly for around a month or so. I actually bought another laptop that I didn't like, just so I would have
    an emergency backup.

    The failures got a bit more frequent for a couple of days, and eventually I found I could crash it by twisting the laptop body a bit. Sounds like a connector problem to me! I was all ready to open it up and find the problem, but it stopped
    failing! It hasn't done that in weeks now. Still, I keep everything important backed up.

    Computers suck! But like a friend pointed out when I complained about how the cell phones would not work reliably when traveling. You can't use your land line when in the car, so not really comparable.

    Maybe I should just leave my laptop on one timezone setting and use my phone for the time? It's important for the emails to be properly timestamped, and I don't know if this is just a display problem, or if the times will always be messed up on
    emails received with the time set wrong. Like people who don't understand tha they can't just set the time on their computers, they have to use the right time zone, or it displays the wrong time on the emails I receive. The whole world is not on the same
    time zone as Redmond, WA.

    --

    Rick C.

    + Get 1,000 miles of free Supercharging
    + Tesla referral code - https://ts.la/richard11209

    So you presumably manually change the timezone on your laptop when you move between the two zones, or does it use geo-positioning to do it automatically?
    Geopositioning??? It checks with the network it is connected to which supplies the time zone. The phone would do the same thing, but the phone network reports eastern US time in Puerto Rico for some reason. So that, I have to change manually.
    I understand why you don't want to restart Eudora all the time, I only have the four system mailboxes open all the time, and I get annoyed when their order sometimes changes on the display, which it shouldn't do! Strangely, after a restart they
    are sometimes correct again.
    The annoying part is that you can't drag the tabs around to reorder them. But tabs were probably a new idea in 2000. So we can't expect them to be 100% functional by today's standards.
    I would have thought that Eudora should always use the computer's current clock time to timestamp messages, but it looks as if it's not doing that.
    If that's the case, I don't see an answer to this I'm afraid.
    Cheers, Dave.
    The time for incoming emails are in the emails. That's why time is always given as UTC referenced. The displayed time is adjusted for your local time. I suppose this issue is only about the displayed time for incoming emails. I don't recall if the
    outgoing emails get the right time or not. I need to watch it more carefully next time I fly.

    --

    Rick C.

    -- Get 1,000 miles of free Supercharging
    -- Tesla referral code - https://ts.la/richard11209

    I just wondered if your laptop had geo-positioning hardware in it like a phone or tablet, I believe recent ones do, which would automatically set your timezone according to your location. I guess being connected to a mobile network would do the same
    if the software does it, mine doesn't as far as I know. I'll have to try connecting my netbook to a mobile network instead of Wi-Fi the next time I go abroad!
    Have you tried playing with the 'Display dates using' option under Options>Date Display?
    I'm not sure what you mean by "geo-positioning hardware", but I assume you mean a GPS module, right? No, my laptop does not have that and I suspect it is very rare on laptops in general. They will trim features from a laptop costing pennies, so I
    seriously doubt many will have GPS hardware as that costs a few bucks, even if only the front end with the rest done in the main CPU.

    I'm not sure what you are suggesting about the settings. The date display option is set to show local time, rather than sender's time.

    --

    Rick C.

    -+ Get 1,000 miles of free Supercharging
    -+ Tesla referral code - https://ts.la/richard11209

    Yes, I did mean GPS. Perhaps they don't put it into laptops because it needs line of sight to the satellites, but cost would be a factor too of course!-
    If you have the date display option set to local time, that should give you what you want, but of course it's no good if Eudora has the wrong local time!
    I guess there is no answer to this.

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  • From gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com@21:1/5 to All on Mon Feb 20 13:57:07 2023
    On Monday, February 20, 2023 at 2:19:27 PM UTC-5, DaveH2 wrote:
    On Monday, 20 February 2023 at 19:00:24 UTC, gnuarm.del...@gmail.com wrote:
    On Sunday, February 19, 2023 at 1:11:35 PM UTC-5, DaveH2 wrote:
    On Sunday, 19 February 2023 at 15:41:10 UTC, gnuarm.del...@gmail.com wrote:
    On Saturday, February 18, 2023 at 8:01:03 AM UTC-5, DaveH2 wrote:
    On Saturday, 18 February 2023 at 06:32:48 UTC, gnuarm.del...@gmail.com wrote:
    On Friday, February 17, 2023 at 7:04:18 AM UTC-5, DaveH2 wrote:
    On Thursday, 16 February 2023 at 11:06:11 UTC, gnuarm.del...@gmail.com wrote:
    Eudora normally picks up the time zone used by the computer it is running on. But it seems this is only checked when starting Eudora. My laptop travels between time zones, EST (-5) and AST (-4). It always seems to be behind, or otherwise
    upset by the time zone change.

    The time on incoming email is reported correctly (I think). 17:55 +8 shows as 4:55 AM in EST (-5). But I just sent a reply and it showed as 6:54 am while the clock said 5:54 am. 6:54 am would have been correct in the AST time zone.

    Is there a way to get Eudora to pick up time changes without shutting it down and restarting it?

    --

    Rick C.

    - Get 1,000 miles of free Supercharging
    - Tesla referral code - https://ts.la/richard11209

    Presumably your laptop has a mechanism to correct its clock when you change between zones?
    Most programs will pick up that time when started, but may not automatically update if it changes.
    I don't think there's any guaranteed option other than to restart Eudora, but surely that's not too much hassle, and is good practice to do anyway to keep it running smoothly?! You could set up a batch file to stop it and restart it again,
    but that could be dangerous if you accidentally ran it while Eudora was doing something.
    The laptop changes time zone and time properly. It is only Eudora that has emotional problems when the computer changes. I see my original post was not written clearly. When I said, " It always seems to be behind, or otherwise upset by the
    time zone change." "It" was referring to Eudora, not the laptop.

    Actually it is a hassle to restart Eudora. I am one of those people who like windows and such a certain way, to optimize finding the information I'm looking for. So I have some eight mailboxes open at all times. Eudora brings them up in
    exactly the reverse order they were in when it was last shut down, (or crashed) so I have to sort that out every time it is started. Then there are the mailboxes that were open for timely reference of current interest. It is a real pain to try to get
    them sorted, since I have to close them one at a time, then reopen in the right place. I'm sure I have a hundred mailboxes in forty folders

    Sometimes it's exhausting being OCD, even a little bit. :( Eudora is not very tolerant of this.

    I don't find problems with needing to shut down programs to keep them "running smoothly", well, not since I ran Windows 95! I skipped Win98 and WinME, moving to Win2k and never looked back. I'm really disappointed that Gates kept us running
    that total piece of crap for so long. Win95 literally would not run for much more than an hour without crashing once a few drivers were installed. But the OS by itself was still buggy, it even crashed on Bill Gates at a presentation to the world!

    I can generally keep my computer running for well over a month without restarting it. Once in a while a browser (not known for stability much) will crash and muck up the machine with it. Typically something goes haywire with the screen
    configuration and the laptop has to be booted. But like I said, less than 8 times a year.

    I had a very odd thing for awhile. The machine would completely turn off, for no clear reason. Even the light on the computer that shows a power pack is plugged in, would not light. I'd play with the power button and unplugging the power pack
    for awhile and eventually that power light would come back on, allowing me to hold the power button and reset the computer. That kept happening randomly for around a month or so. I actually bought another laptop that I didn't like, just so I would have
    an emergency backup.

    The failures got a bit more frequent for a couple of days, and eventually I found I could crash it by twisting the laptop body a bit. Sounds like a connector problem to me! I was all ready to open it up and find the problem, but it stopped
    failing! It hasn't done that in weeks now. Still, I keep everything important backed up.

    Computers suck! But like a friend pointed out when I complained about how the cell phones would not work reliably when traveling. You can't use your land line when in the car, so not really comparable.

    Maybe I should just leave my laptop on one timezone setting and use my phone for the time? It's important for the emails to be properly timestamped, and I don't know if this is just a display problem, or if the times will always be messed up
    on emails received with the time set wrong. Like people who don't understand tha they can't just set the time on their computers, they have to use the right time zone, or it displays the wrong time on the emails I receive. The whole world is not on the
    same time zone as Redmond, WA.

    --

    Rick C.

    + Get 1,000 miles of free Supercharging
    + Tesla referral code - https://ts.la/richard11209

    So you presumably manually change the timezone on your laptop when you move between the two zones, or does it use geo-positioning to do it automatically?
    Geopositioning??? It checks with the network it is connected to which supplies the time zone. The phone would do the same thing, but the phone network reports eastern US time in Puerto Rico for some reason. So that, I have to change manually.
    I understand why you don't want to restart Eudora all the time, I only have the four system mailboxes open all the time, and I get annoyed when their order sometimes changes on the display, which it shouldn't do! Strangely, after a restart they
    are sometimes correct again.
    The annoying part is that you can't drag the tabs around to reorder them. But tabs were probably a new idea in 2000. So we can't expect them to be 100% functional by today's standards.
    I would have thought that Eudora should always use the computer's current clock time to timestamp messages, but it looks as if it's not doing that.
    If that's the case, I don't see an answer to this I'm afraid. Cheers, Dave.
    The time for incoming emails are in the emails. That's why time is always given as UTC referenced. The displayed time is adjusted for your local time. I suppose this issue is only about the displayed time for incoming emails. I don't recall if
    the outgoing emails get the right time or not. I need to watch it more carefully next time I fly.

    --

    Rick C.

    -- Get 1,000 miles of free Supercharging
    -- Tesla referral code - https://ts.la/richard11209

    I just wondered if your laptop had geo-positioning hardware in it like a phone or tablet, I believe recent ones do, which would automatically set your timezone according to your location. I guess being connected to a mobile network would do the
    same if the software does it, mine doesn't as far as I know. I'll have to try connecting my netbook to a mobile network instead of Wi-Fi the next time I go abroad!
    Have you tried playing with the 'Display dates using' option under Options>Date Display?
    I'm not sure what you mean by "geo-positioning hardware", but I assume you mean a GPS module, right? No, my laptop does not have that and I suspect it is very rare on laptops in general. They will trim features from a laptop costing pennies, so I
    seriously doubt many will have GPS hardware as that costs a few bucks, even if only the front end with the rest done in the main CPU.

    I'm not sure what you are suggesting about the settings. The date display option is set to show local time, rather than sender's time.

    --

    Rick C.

    -+ Get 1,000 miles of free Supercharging
    -+ Tesla referral code - https://ts.la/richard11209

    Yes, I did mean GPS. Perhaps they don't put it into laptops because it needs line of sight to the satellites, but cost would be a factor too of course!-
    If you have the date display option set to local time, that should give you what you want, but of course it's no good if Eudora has the wrong local time!
    I guess there is no answer to this.

    Line of sight is not required. GPS works fine inside buildings as long as the signal has not been completely absorbed. I find in Puerto Rico, where they have concrete buildings, that few high frequency signals can be picked up indoors, including wifi.
    But there's really no need for GPS in a laptop. You can get location information from the network connection. At least well enough to know what block you are on if the provider has a decent system. Some punt and don't even try to provide accurate
    location information.

    --

    Rick C.

    +- Get 1,000 miles of free Supercharging
    +- Tesla referral code - https://ts.la/richard11209

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