[proof of my point about misinformation]
On Wed, 4 Dec 2024 06:13:45 -0000 (UTC), Oregonian Haruspex wrote:
[proof of my point about misinformation]
*Sigh*
If experts can lie, with the official permission of, even urging of, governments, to get what they want, everybody can.
On Thu, 5 Dec 2024 06:06:14 -0000 (UTC), Oregonian Haruspex wrote:
If experts can lie, with the official permission of, even urging of,
governments, to get what they want, everybody can.
Who told you the experts are lying? Do you take the word of some random Facebook/Xwitter loony (or local politician who believes them) over
somebody who has made a career out of studying the cause and treatment of diseases? Do you find it easier to respond to someone who pushes your buttons, rather than someone who tries to give you accurate explanations
that you cannot be bothered to expend the mental effort to try to
understand?
Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
On Thu, 5 Dec 2024 06:06:14 -0000 (UTC), Oregonian Haruspex wrote:You seem very offended.
If experts can lie, with the official permission of, even urging of,
governments, to get what they want, everybody can.
Who told you the experts are lying? Do you take the word of some random
Facebook/Xwitter loony (or local politician who believes them) over
somebody who has made a career out of studying the cause and treatment
of diseases? Do you find it easier to respond to someone who pushes
your buttons, rather than someone who tries to give you accurate
explanations that you cannot be bothered to expend the mental effort to
try to understand?
On Thu, 5 Dec 2024 07:39:19 -0000 (UTC), Oregonian Haruspex wrote:
Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
On Thu, 5 Dec 2024 06:06:14 -0000 (UTC), Oregonian Haruspex wrote:You seem very offended.
If experts can lie, with the official permission of, even urging of,
governments, to get what they want, everybody can.
Who told you the experts are lying? Do you take the word of some random
Facebook/Xwitter loony (or local politician who believes them) over
somebody who has made a career out of studying the cause and treatment
of diseases? Do you find it easier to respond to someone who pushes
your buttons, rather than someone who tries to give you accurate
explanations that you cannot be bothered to expend the mental effort to
try to understand?
Projecting? I merely ask questions.
Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
On Thu, 5 Dec 2024 07:39:19 -0000 (UTC), Oregonian Haruspex wrote:You need a new script ...
Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
On Thu, 5 Dec 2024 06:06:14 -0000 (UTC), Oregonian Haruspex wrote:You seem very offended.
If experts can lie, with the official permission of, even urging of, >>>>> governments, to get what they want, everybody can.
Who told you the experts are lying? Do you take the word of some
random Facebook/Xwitter loony (or local politician who believes them)
over somebody who has made a career out of studying the cause and
treatment of diseases? Do you find it easier to respond to someone
who pushes your buttons, rather than someone who tries to give you
accurate explanations that you cannot be bothered to expend the
mental effort to try to understand?
Projecting? I merely ask questions.
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terminal
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Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
On Wed, 4 Dec 2024 06:13:45 -0000 (UTC), Oregonian Haruspex wrote:
[proof of my point about misinformation]
*Sigh*
..... And since the experts have been caught lying so frequently, so
boldly, their loss in credibility is my gain.
On 2024-12-05, Oregonian Haruspex <no_email@invalid.invalid> wrote:
..... And since the experts have been caught lying so frequently, so
boldly, their loss in credibility is my gain.
Oh boy. Care to quantify ".. so frequently". Some experts have lied does
not equate with experts lying frequently.
On Sun, 8 Dec 2024 11:16:48 -0000 (UTC), Jim Jackson wrote:
On 2024-12-05, Oregonian Haruspex <no_email@invalid.invalid> wrote:
..... And since the experts have been caught lying so frequently, so
boldly, their loss in credibility is my gain.
Oh boy. Care to quantify ".. so frequently". Some experts have lied does
not equate with experts lying frequently.
And how was it judged that they were ???lying???? Because some self-serving politician or online fringe raving loony whom you (undeservedly) trust
said so?
I sincerely hope the "you" above refers to the idiot Oregonian!
On 2024-12-05, Oregonian Haruspex <no_email@invalid.invalid> wrote:
Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
On Wed, 4 Dec 2024 06:13:45 -0000 (UTC), Oregonian Haruspex wrote:
[proof of my point about misinformation]
*Sigh*
..... And since the experts have been caught lying so frequently, so
boldly, their loss in credibility is my gain.
Oh boy. Care to quantify ".. so frequently". Some experts have lied does
not equate with experts lying frequently. And which experts are you
talking about, the expert doctors that have given us unprecedented good health and long lives
On 2024-12-09, Anonymous <anon@anon.net> wrote:
ROTFLMAO! Have you checked the obesity rate lately? LOL!
Yes, concerning. But despite that, life expectancy is still way way way
above what it was 100 years ago. Another example of not seeing the wood
for the trees.
Jim Jackson wrote:
On 2024-12-05, Oregonian Haruspex <no_email@invalid.invalid> wrote:
Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
On Wed, 4 Dec 2024 06:13:45 -0000 (UTC), Oregonian Haruspex wrote:
[proof of my point about misinformation]
*Sigh*
..... And since the experts have been caught lying so frequently, so
boldly, their loss in credibility is my gain.
Oh boy. Care to quantify ".. so frequently". Some experts have lied does
not equate with experts lying frequently. And which experts are you
talking about, the expert doctors that have given us unprecedented good
health and long lives
ROTFLMAO! Have you checked the obesity rate lately? LOL!
Jim Jackson <jj@franjam.org.uk> wrote:
On 2024-12-09, Anonymous <anon@anon.net> wrote:
ROTFLMAO! Have you checked the obesity rate lately? LOL!
Yes, concerning. But despite that, life expectancy is still way way way
above what it was 100 years ago. Another example of not seeing the wood
for the trees.
I'm very curious about the next episodes of my favourite horror show:
Coming soon: Junior + H5N1 + Raw Milk
I'm very curious about the next episodes of my favourite horror show:
Coming soon: Junior + H5N1 + Raw Milk
On 2024-12-09, Anonymous <anon@anon.net> wrote:
Jim Jackson wrote:
On 2024-12-05, Oregonian Haruspex <no_email@invalid.invalid> wrote:
Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
On Wed, 4 Dec 2024 06:13:45 -0000 (UTC), Oregonian Haruspex wrote:
[proof of my point about misinformation]
*Sigh*
..... And since the experts have been caught lying so frequently, so
boldly, their loss in credibility is my gain.
Oh boy. Care to quantify ".. so frequently". Some experts have lied does >>> not equate with experts lying frequently. And which experts are you
talking about, the expert doctors that have given us unprecedented good
health and long lives
ROTFLMAO! Have you checked the obesity rate lately? LOL!
Yes, concerning. But despite that, life expectancy is still way way way
above what it was 100 years ago. Another example of not seeing the wood
for the trees.
On 2024-12-09, yeti <yeti@tilde.institute> wrote:
I'm very curious about the next episodes of my favourite horror show:
Coming soon: Junior + H5N1 + Raw Milk
Sorry that reference has gone way over my head. Is this something
specific to one's home country?
yeti <yeti@tilde.institute> writes:
I'm very curious about the next episodes of my favourite horror show:
Coming soon: Junior + H5N1 + Raw Milk
It's an idea for a new board game! In one box, cards with quotations
of things said publicly by TFG and his proposed
cabinet/dept-heads/honchos. In another box, cards with anticipatable problems/crises in economics, public health, international relations
etc.
Player draws one card from each, then proposes a way to apply the
former to the latter. E.g.
Card 1: Junior says make raw milk available everywhere
Card 2: China invades Taiwan
Proposed solution:
Bomb Beijing using infected American dairy cows [42] instead
of explosives/incendiaries, thus purging the herd and keeping
raw milk safe while distracting Xi from military adventure.
[42] Cf. Monty Python and the Holy Grail.
Jim Jackson wrote:
On 2024-12-09, Anonymous <anon@anon.net> wrote:
Jim Jackson wrote:
On 2024-12-05, Oregonian Haruspex <no_email@invalid.invalid> wrote:
Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
On Wed, 4 Dec 2024 06:13:45 -0000 (UTC), Oregonian Haruspex wrote: >>>>>>
[proof of my point about misinformation]
*Sigh*
..... And since the experts have been caught lying so frequently, so >>>>> boldly, their loss in credibility is my gain.
Oh boy. Care to quantify ".. so frequently". Some experts have lied does >>>> not equate with experts lying frequently. And which experts are you
talking about, the expert doctors that have given us unprecedented good >>>> health and long lives
ROTFLMAO! Have you checked the obesity rate lately? LOL!
Yes, concerning. But despite that, life expectancy is still way way way
above what it was 100 years ago. Another example of not seeing the wood
for the trees.
Listening to the so-called "experts" is WHY obesity and comorbidities
has increased.
Most health practioners advise a diet and lifestyle that aims to prevent >obesity - at least in my world. In yours things may be different.
Here, they tend to advocate a low-fat, carb-heavy diet.
On 2024-12-09, Anonymous <anon@anon.net> wrote:
Jim Jackson wrote:
On 2024-12-09, Anonymous <anon@anon.net> wrote:
Jim Jackson wrote:
On 2024-12-05, Oregonian Haruspex <no_email@invalid.invalid> wrote: >>>>>> Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
On Wed, 4 Dec 2024 06:13:45 -0000 (UTC), Oregonian Haruspex wrote: >>>>>>>
[proof of my point about misinformation]
*Sigh*
..... And since the experts have been caught lying so frequently, so >>>>>> boldly, their loss in credibility is my gain.
Oh boy. Care to quantify ".. so frequently". Some experts have lied does >>>>> not equate with experts lying frequently. And which experts are you
talking about, the expert doctors that have given us unprecedented good >>>>> health and long lives
ROTFLMAO! Have you checked the obesity rate lately? LOL!
Yes, concerning. But despite that, life expectancy is still way way way
above what it was 100 years ago. Another example of not seeing the wood
for the trees.
Listening to the so-called "experts" is WHY obesity and comorbidities
has increased.
Most health practioners advise a diet and lifestyle that aims to prevent obesity - at least in my world. In yours things may be different.
You seem very offended. This huffy faux emotional reaction is just what I’d >expect from somebody from your shit outfit. Ukraine lost. Democrats lost. >Nannies lost. You lost.
Listening to the so-called "experts" is WHY obesity and comorbidities
has increased.
Oregonian Haruspex <no_email@invalid.invalid> wrote:
You seem very offended. This huffy faux emotional reaction is just what I???d
expect from somebody from your shit outfit. Ukraine lost. Democrats lost.
Nannies lost. You lost.
I don't get this. I am seeing an increasing number of people, and most of them are on the right but a shocking number of them are on the left, who seem to view everything in the world as a zero sum game. "The other guy lost, therefore I have won." "I won, therefore the other guy lost." The thing
is, life isn't like that.
In most cases there isn't even any winning or losing to be done at all, and viewing everything as a competition is often not the right lens in the first place.
I am especially saddened to see this happening on the right, which for years upheld Ronald Reagan whose great philosophy was that a rising tide raised
all boats. But Reagan's philosophy seems to have been thrown away.
--scott
Report on a study <https://arstechnica.com/science/2024/12/people-will-share-misinformation-that-sparks-moral-outrage/>I wonder if, given recent research on the effectiveness of
into why people are more likely to pass on false reports and rumours
rather than factual ones.
Of course, given how politically-charged the issue of what is “lies”
and “truth” can be, they chose to base the credibility (or not) of
news sources, not on their own judgement, but on a more objective
measure, of how often reports from those sources were fact-checked as
false.
What they found was that, often, the people spreading the false
stories knew they were false, but passed them on anyway, on the basis
of the degree of moral outrage they provoked. In other words, they
wanted to push people’s buttons. (I suppose this is the definition of “populism”.)
And some politicians doing this are not shy about admitting as much:
Brady pointed to an example from the recent campaign, when a
reporter pushed J.D. Vance about false claims regarding immigrants
eating pets. “When the reporter pushed him, he implied that yes,
it was fabrication, but it was outrageous and spoke to the issues
his constituents were mad about,” Brady says. These experiments
show that this kind of dishonesty is not exclusive to politicians
running for office—people do this on social media all the time.
Wasn’t it Mark Twain who said that “a lie can spread halfway around
the world while the truth is still putting on its shoes”?
In article <vj7veq$2c4ks$1@news.mixmin.net>, Anonymous <anon@anon.net> wrote:
Listening to the so-called "experts" is WHY obesity and comorbidities
has increased.
Depends which experts. If you have been listening to fast-food experts and expert pastry chefs, this could explain things.
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