• Why Do People Spread Misinformation Online?

    From Lawrence D'Oliveiro@21:1/5 to All on Mon Dec 2 21:37:36 2024
    Report on a study <https://arstechnica.com/science/2024/12/people-will-share-misinformation-that-sparks-moral-outrage/>
    into why people are more likely to pass on false reports and rumours
    rather than factual ones.

    Of course, given how politically-charged the issue of what is “lies”
    and “truth” can be, they chose to base the credibility (or not) of
    news sources, not on their own judgement, but on a more objective
    measure, of how often reports from those sources were fact-checked as
    false.

    What they found was that, often, the people spreading the false
    stories knew they were false, but passed them on anyway, on the basis
    of the degree of moral outrage they provoked. In other words, they
    wanted to push people’s buttons. (I suppose this is the definition of “populism”.)

    And some politicians doing this are not shy about admitting as much:

    Brady pointed to an example from the recent campaign, when a
    reporter pushed J.D. Vance about false claims regarding immigrants
    eating pets. “When the reporter pushed him, he implied that yes,
    it was fabrication, but it was outrageous and spoke to the issues
    his constituents were mad about,” Brady says. These experiments
    show that this kind of dishonesty is not exclusive to politicians
    running for office—people do this on social media all the time.

    Wasn’t it Mark Twain who said that “a lie can spread halfway around
    the world while the truth is still putting on its shoes”?

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  • From Oregonian Haruspex@21:1/5 to All on Wed Dec 4 06:13:45 2024
    More importantly, why do experts spread misinformation? Take the “safe and effective” lie about the COVID vax or the horse paste misinformation about Ivermectin. Both spread by experts under government employ.

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  • From Lawrence D'Oliveiro@21:1/5 to Oregonian Haruspex on Wed Dec 4 06:43:25 2024
    On Wed, 4 Dec 2024 06:13:45 -0000 (UTC), Oregonian Haruspex wrote:

    [proof of my point about misinformation]

    *Sigh*

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  • From Oregonian Haruspex@21:1/5 to Lawrence D'Oliveiro on Thu Dec 5 06:06:14 2024
    Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
    On Wed, 4 Dec 2024 06:13:45 -0000 (UTC), Oregonian Haruspex wrote:

    [proof of my point about misinformation]

    *Sigh*


    Le sigh *Reddit face* - you missed the point actually. If experts can lie,
    with the official permission of, even urging of, governments, to get what
    they want, everybody can. Experts can be drowned out so my will is
    executed. And since the experts have been caught lying so frequently, so boldly, their loss in credibility is my gain.

    There is no going back, experts can’t regain their cache or authority. They’re just another person on the Internet. The time to have reflected on this was… decades ago. It’s far too late to complain about it now. I would say it’s a lesson the experts should take to heart, but they’re obsolete now. Experts and their shill minions did this, it’s audacious to complain when everybody start realizing they can be experts too - just a claim is enough. Europeans, Canadians, Chinese, and other third worlders will simply pass laws making mal/mis/disinformation illegal. US will respond with more government shills, but they’re… not sending their best. Nobody wants to be a shill, so the cream of the crop will never enter the profession.

    Le sigh… I guess it’s back to Reddit if you want government curated lies.

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  • From Lawrence D'Oliveiro@21:1/5 to Oregonian Haruspex on Thu Dec 5 06:22:22 2024
    On Thu, 5 Dec 2024 06:06:14 -0000 (UTC), Oregonian Haruspex wrote:

    If experts can lie, with the official permission of, even urging of, governments, to get what they want, everybody can.

    Who told you the experts are lying? Do you take the word of some random Facebook/Xwitter loony (or local politician who believes them) over
    somebody who has made a career out of studying the cause and treatment of diseases? Do you find it easier to respond to someone who pushes your
    buttons, rather than someone who tries to give you accurate explanations
    that you cannot be bothered to expend the mental effort to try to
    understand?

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  • From Oregonian Haruspex@21:1/5 to Lawrence D'Oliveiro on Thu Dec 5 07:39:19 2024
    Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
    On Thu, 5 Dec 2024 06:06:14 -0000 (UTC), Oregonian Haruspex wrote:

    If experts can lie, with the official permission of, even urging of,
    governments, to get what they want, everybody can.

    Who told you the experts are lying? Do you take the word of some random Facebook/Xwitter loony (or local politician who believes them) over
    somebody who has made a career out of studying the cause and treatment of diseases? Do you find it easier to respond to someone who pushes your buttons, rather than someone who tries to give you accurate explanations
    that you cannot be bothered to expend the mental effort to try to
    understand?


    You seem very offended. This huffy faux emotional reaction is just what I’d expect from somebody from your shit outfit. Ukraine lost. Democrats lost. Nannies lost. You lost.

    Time to stop sulking and find a real job now. You have about six weeks
    until you get shit canned. You can’t dominate the information battlespace, you can only create more scorn and distrust. Slink away forever. I can tell
    by your idiom the exact organization and even building you work in.

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  • From Lawrence D'Oliveiro@21:1/5 to Oregonian Haruspex on Thu Dec 5 07:52:35 2024
    On Thu, 5 Dec 2024 07:39:19 -0000 (UTC), Oregonian Haruspex wrote:

    Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:

    On Thu, 5 Dec 2024 06:06:14 -0000 (UTC), Oregonian Haruspex wrote:

    If experts can lie, with the official permission of, even urging of,
    governments, to get what they want, everybody can.

    Who told you the experts are lying? Do you take the word of some random
    Facebook/Xwitter loony (or local politician who believes them) over
    somebody who has made a career out of studying the cause and treatment
    of diseases? Do you find it easier to respond to someone who pushes
    your buttons, rather than someone who tries to give you accurate
    explanations that you cannot be bothered to expend the mental effort to
    try to understand?

    You seem very offended.

    Projecting? I merely ask questions.

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  • From Oregonian Haruspex@21:1/5 to Lawrence D'Oliveiro on Thu Dec 5 07:59:43 2024
    Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
    On Thu, 5 Dec 2024 07:39:19 -0000 (UTC), Oregonian Haruspex wrote:

    Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:

    On Thu, 5 Dec 2024 06:06:14 -0000 (UTC), Oregonian Haruspex wrote:

    If experts can lie, with the official permission of, even urging of,
    governments, to get what they want, everybody can.

    Who told you the experts are lying? Do you take the word of some random
    Facebook/Xwitter loony (or local politician who believes them) over
    somebody who has made a career out of studying the cause and treatment
    of diseases? Do you find it easier to respond to someone who pushes
    your buttons, rather than someone who tries to give you accurate
    explanations that you cannot be bothered to expend the mental effort to
    try to understand?

    You seem very offended.

    Projecting? I merely ask questions.


    You need a new script, Joan Donovan has been disgraced. But you still use
    her tired old methods anyway. It’s why you’re doomed to failure. Anyway good luck with the job search. But let me be crystal clear - if you lie and claim you were in cyber, nobody will believe you. Have the courage to put
    your role as ‘shill.’ Honesty doesn’t come naturally for your kind, believe
    me I know. But when you break down in tears when confronted with a
    terminal, they’ll know you lied.

    Tah tah! *plonk*

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  • From Lawrence D'Oliveiro@21:1/5 to Oregonian Haruspex on Thu Dec 5 08:14:34 2024
    On Thu, 5 Dec 2024 07:59:43 -0000 (UTC), Oregonian Haruspex wrote:

    Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:

    On Thu, 5 Dec 2024 07:39:19 -0000 (UTC), Oregonian Haruspex wrote:

    Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:

    On Thu, 5 Dec 2024 06:06:14 -0000 (UTC), Oregonian Haruspex wrote:

    If experts can lie, with the official permission of, even urging of, >>>>> governments, to get what they want, everybody can.

    Who told you the experts are lying? Do you take the word of some
    random Facebook/Xwitter loony (or local politician who believes them)
    over somebody who has made a career out of studying the cause and
    treatment of diseases? Do you find it easier to respond to someone
    who pushes your buttons, rather than someone who tries to give you
    accurate explanations that you cannot be bothered to expend the
    mental effort to try to understand?

    You seem very offended.

    Projecting? I merely ask questions.

    You need a new script ...

    First you tried to say I was “offended”, then you betray the signs that
    you yourself are the one offended ... projecting, exactly as I said.

    Pro Internet tip: if you have to start resorting to an ad-hominem
    smokescreen to distract from the discussion at hand, that’s a sign you’ve run out of logical arguments to defend your position.

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  • From yeti@21:1/5 to Oregonian Haruspex on Thu Dec 5 09:00:33 2024
    Oregonian Haruspex <no_email@invalid.invalid> wrote:

    (((blablabla)))
    terminal
    (((blablabla)))

    Wow! A single lonely word is on topic.

    --
    Tweets are Xcretions now.

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  • From Jim Jackson@21:1/5 to Oregonian Haruspex on Sun Dec 8 11:16:48 2024
    On 2024-12-05, Oregonian Haruspex <no_email@invalid.invalid> wrote:
    Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
    On Wed, 4 Dec 2024 06:13:45 -0000 (UTC), Oregonian Haruspex wrote:

    [proof of my point about misinformation]

    *Sigh*


    ..... And since the experts have been caught lying so frequently, so
    boldly, their loss in credibility is my gain.

    Oh boy. Care to quantify ".. so frequently". Some experts have lied does
    not equate with experts lying frequently. And which experts are you
    talking about, the expert doctors that have given us unprecedented good
    health and long lives over the past 100 years? The other experts that
    have given us all the technology that we use so casually to write here,
    or get about our modern daily lives?

    "Experts" are people, the odd ones fail to meet standards just as you
    are doing in your thinking here. Some people fail to see the forest
    because the trees get in the way!

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  • From Lawrence D'Oliveiro@21:1/5 to Jim Jackson on Sun Dec 8 19:54:49 2024
    On Sun, 8 Dec 2024 11:16:48 -0000 (UTC), Jim Jackson wrote:

    On 2024-12-05, Oregonian Haruspex <no_email@invalid.invalid> wrote:

    ..... And since the experts have been caught lying so frequently, so
    boldly, their loss in credibility is my gain.

    Oh boy. Care to quantify ".. so frequently". Some experts have lied does
    not equate with experts lying frequently.

    And how was it judged that they were “lying”? Because some self-serving politician or online fringe raving loony whom you (undeservedly) trust
    said so?

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  • From Jim Jackson@21:1/5 to Lawrence D'Oliveiro on Sun Dec 8 21:53:41 2024
    On 2024-12-08, Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
    On Sun, 8 Dec 2024 11:16:48 -0000 (UTC), Jim Jackson wrote:

    On 2024-12-05, Oregonian Haruspex <no_email@invalid.invalid> wrote:

    ..... And since the experts have been caught lying so frequently, so
    boldly, their loss in credibility is my gain.

    Oh boy. Care to quantify ".. so frequently". Some experts have lied does
    not equate with experts lying frequently.

    And how was it judged that they were ???lying???? Because some self-serving politician or online fringe raving loony whom you (undeservedly) trust
    said so?

    I sincerely hope the "you" above refers to the idiot Oregonian!

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  • From Lawrence D'Oliveiro@21:1/5 to Jim Jackson on Mon Dec 9 03:44:25 2024
    On Sun, 8 Dec 2024 21:53:41 -0000 (UTC), Jim Jackson wrote:

    I sincerely hope the "you" above refers to the idiot Oregonian!

    Yeah, sorry, just trying to keep my pronouns unambiguous. ;)

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  • From Anonymous@21:1/5 to Jim Jackson on Mon Dec 9 02:57:53 2024
    Jim Jackson wrote:
    On 2024-12-05, Oregonian Haruspex <no_email@invalid.invalid> wrote:
    Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
    On Wed, 4 Dec 2024 06:13:45 -0000 (UTC), Oregonian Haruspex wrote:

    [proof of my point about misinformation]

    *Sigh*


    ..... And since the experts have been caught lying so frequently, so
    boldly, their loss in credibility is my gain.

    Oh boy. Care to quantify ".. so frequently". Some experts have lied does
    not equate with experts lying frequently. And which experts are you
    talking about, the expert doctors that have given us unprecedented good health and long lives

    ROTFLMAO! Have you checked the obesity rate lately? LOL!

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  • From yeti@21:1/5 to Jim Jackson on Mon Dec 9 20:40:47 2024
    Jim Jackson <jj@franjam.org.uk> wrote:

    On 2024-12-09, Anonymous <anon@anon.net> wrote:
    ROTFLMAO! Have you checked the obesity rate lately? LOL!

    Yes, concerning. But despite that, life expectancy is still way way way
    above what it was 100 years ago. Another example of not seeing the wood
    for the trees.

    I'm very curious about the next episodes of my favourite horror show:

    Coming soon: Junior + H5N1 + Raw Milk

    --
    Comedy Dynamics
    David Cross Is Starting To Regret His Vote for Trump... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S1wkqZIJOAQ

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  • From Jim Jackson@21:1/5 to Anonymous on Mon Dec 9 19:43:28 2024
    On 2024-12-09, Anonymous <anon@anon.net> wrote:
    Jim Jackson wrote:
    On 2024-12-05, Oregonian Haruspex <no_email@invalid.invalid> wrote:
    Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
    On Wed, 4 Dec 2024 06:13:45 -0000 (UTC), Oregonian Haruspex wrote:

    [proof of my point about misinformation]

    *Sigh*


    ..... And since the experts have been caught lying so frequently, so
    boldly, their loss in credibility is my gain.

    Oh boy. Care to quantify ".. so frequently". Some experts have lied does
    not equate with experts lying frequently. And which experts are you
    talking about, the expert doctors that have given us unprecedented good
    health and long lives

    ROTFLMAO! Have you checked the obesity rate lately? LOL!

    Yes, concerning. But despite that, life expectancy is still way way way
    above what it was 100 years ago. Another example of not seeing the wood
    for the trees.

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  • From Jim Jackson@21:1/5 to yeti on Mon Dec 9 22:35:34 2024
    On 2024-12-09, yeti <yeti@tilde.institute> wrote:
    Jim Jackson <jj@franjam.org.uk> wrote:

    On 2024-12-09, Anonymous <anon@anon.net> wrote:
    ROTFLMAO! Have you checked the obesity rate lately? LOL!

    Yes, concerning. But despite that, life expectancy is still way way way
    above what it was 100 years ago. Another example of not seeing the wood
    for the trees.

    I'm very curious about the next episodes of my favourite horror show:

    Coming soon: Junior + H5N1 + Raw Milk

    Sorry that reference has gone way over my head. Is this something
    specific to one's home country?

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  • From Mike Spencer@21:1/5 to yeti on Mon Dec 9 18:18:06 2024
    yeti <yeti@tilde.institute> writes:

    I'm very curious about the next episodes of my favourite horror show:

    Coming soon: Junior + H5N1 + Raw Milk

    It's an idea for a new board game! In one box, cards with quotations
    of things said publicly by TFG and his proposed
    cabinet/dept-heads/honchos. In another box, cards with anticipatable problems/crises in economics, public health, international relations
    etc.

    Player draws one card from each, then proposes a way to apply the
    former to the latter. E.g.

    Card 1: Junior says make raw milk available everywhere

    Card 2: China invades Taiwan

    Proposed solution:

    Bomb Beijing using infected American dairy cows [42] instead
    of explosives/incendiaries, thus purging the herd and keeping
    raw milk safe while distracting Xi from military adventure.


    [42] Cf. Monty Python and the Holy Grail.

    --
    Mike Spencer Nova Scotia, Canada

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  • From Anonymous@21:1/5 to Jim Jackson on Mon Dec 9 18:45:29 2024
    Jim Jackson wrote:
    On 2024-12-09, Anonymous <anon@anon.net> wrote:
    Jim Jackson wrote:
    On 2024-12-05, Oregonian Haruspex <no_email@invalid.invalid> wrote:
    Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
    On Wed, 4 Dec 2024 06:13:45 -0000 (UTC), Oregonian Haruspex wrote:

    [proof of my point about misinformation]

    *Sigh*


    ..... And since the experts have been caught lying so frequently, so
    boldly, their loss in credibility is my gain.

    Oh boy. Care to quantify ".. so frequently". Some experts have lied does >>> not equate with experts lying frequently. And which experts are you
    talking about, the expert doctors that have given us unprecedented good
    health and long lives

    ROTFLMAO! Have you checked the obesity rate lately? LOL!

    Yes, concerning. But despite that, life expectancy is still way way way
    above what it was 100 years ago. Another example of not seeing the wood
    for the trees.


    Listening to the so-called "experts" is WHY obesity and comorbidities
    has increased.

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  • From yeti@21:1/5 to Jim Jackson on Tue Dec 10 08:34:41 2024
    Jim Jackson <jj@franjam.org.uk> wrote:

    On 2024-12-09, yeti <yeti@tilde.institute> wrote:

    I'm very curious about the next episodes of my favourite horror show:

    Coming soon: Junior + H5N1 + Raw Milk

    Sorry that reference has gone way over my head. Is this something
    specific to one's home country?

    Kind of.

    Ask Marjory[0] (the all knowing trash heap) for "rfk raw milk". Adding antivaxxer, may bring up even more.

    ____________

    [0]: Fraggle Rock - I've Seen Troubles
    <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PZAjCrl5zPg>

    --
    I do not bite, I just want to play.

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  • From yeti@21:1/5 to Mike Spencer on Tue Dec 10 08:52:08 2024
    Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> wrote:

    yeti <yeti@tilde.institute> writes:

    I'm very curious about the next episodes of my favourite horror show:

    Coming soon: Junior + H5N1 + Raw Milk

    It's an idea for a new board game! In one box, cards with quotations
    of things said publicly by TFG and his proposed
    cabinet/dept-heads/honchos. In another box, cards with anticipatable problems/crises in economics, public health, international relations
    etc.

    Player draws one card from each, then proposes a way to apply the
    former to the latter. E.g.

    Card 1: Junior says make raw milk available everywhere

    Card 2: China invades Taiwan

    Proposed solution:

    Bomb Beijing using infected American dairy cows [42] instead
    of explosives/incendiaries, thus purging the herd and keeping
    raw milk safe while distracting Xi from military adventure.


    [42] Cf. Monty Python and the Holy Grail.

    Iconic!


    The idea for such a game is nice, but I don't think a clan so heavy
    invested in XIna will ever torpedo their own cash flow. To achieve the fascination of maximum horror, such a game only would need to be
    realistic[0].

    And MAGA seems absolutely fine with that and is buying all those
    devotional objects make in XIna. But sure one only can see the nose of
    the swimming Ursus Maritimus.

    ____________

    [0]: <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y8Kyi0WNg40>

    --
    3. Hitchhiker 1: (25) "The point is, you see," said Ford, "that there
    is no point in driving yourself mad trying to stop yourself going mad.
    You might just as well give in and save your sanity for later."

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  • From Jim Jackson@21:1/5 to Anonymous on Tue Dec 10 12:05:55 2024
    On 2024-12-09, Anonymous <anon@anon.net> wrote:
    Jim Jackson wrote:
    On 2024-12-09, Anonymous <anon@anon.net> wrote:
    Jim Jackson wrote:
    On 2024-12-05, Oregonian Haruspex <no_email@invalid.invalid> wrote:
    Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
    On Wed, 4 Dec 2024 06:13:45 -0000 (UTC), Oregonian Haruspex wrote: >>>>>>
    [proof of my point about misinformation]

    *Sigh*


    ..... And since the experts have been caught lying so frequently, so >>>>> boldly, their loss in credibility is my gain.

    Oh boy. Care to quantify ".. so frequently". Some experts have lied does >>>> not equate with experts lying frequently. And which experts are you
    talking about, the expert doctors that have given us unprecedented good >>>> health and long lives

    ROTFLMAO! Have you checked the obesity rate lately? LOL!

    Yes, concerning. But despite that, life expectancy is still way way way
    above what it was 100 years ago. Another example of not seeing the wood
    for the trees.


    Listening to the so-called "experts" is WHY obesity and comorbidities
    has increased.

    Most health practioners advise a diet and lifestyle that aims to prevent obesity - at least in my world. In yours things may be different.

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  • From Scott Alfter@21:1/5 to jj@franjam.org.uk on Tue Dec 10 16:34:28 2024
    In article <slrnvlgbl3.3vn.jj@iridium.wf32df>,
    Jim Jackson <jj@franjam.org.uk> wrote:
    Most health practioners advise a diet and lifestyle that aims to prevent >obesity - at least in my world. In yours things may be different.

    Here, they tend to advocate a low-fat, carb-heavy diet. It's the exact opposite of healthy, but (1) carbs are cheap for Big Food to produce and (2) our so-called "health care" system is more about drumming up repeat business for itself and for Big Pharma than actually keeping people in good health. After all, if you have no ongoing need to keep seeing your doctor, there's
    no money being extracted from your wallet for the purpose.

    --
    _/_
    / v \ Scott Alfter (remove the obvious to send mail)
    (IIGS( https://alfter.us/ Top-posting!
    \_^_/ >What's the most annoying thing on Usenet?

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  • From Lawrence D'Oliveiro@21:1/5 to Scott Alfter on Tue Dec 10 21:00:47 2024
    On Tue, 10 Dec 2024 16:34:28 GMT, Scott Alfter wrote:

    Here, they tend to advocate a low-fat, carb-heavy diet.

    Who the hell ... !? No way any health professional would recommend such a thing. Most of the body fat buildup comes from consuming, not fat, but
    carbs.

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  • From Anonymous@21:1/5 to Jim Jackson on Tue Dec 10 23:34:55 2024
    Jim Jackson wrote:
    On 2024-12-09, Anonymous <anon@anon.net> wrote:
    Jim Jackson wrote:
    On 2024-12-09, Anonymous <anon@anon.net> wrote:
    Jim Jackson wrote:
    On 2024-12-05, Oregonian Haruspex <no_email@invalid.invalid> wrote: >>>>>> Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
    On Wed, 4 Dec 2024 06:13:45 -0000 (UTC), Oregonian Haruspex wrote: >>>>>>>
    [proof of my point about misinformation]

    *Sigh*


    ..... And since the experts have been caught lying so frequently, so >>>>>> boldly, their loss in credibility is my gain.

    Oh boy. Care to quantify ".. so frequently". Some experts have lied does >>>>> not equate with experts lying frequently. And which experts are you
    talking about, the expert doctors that have given us unprecedented good >>>>> health and long lives

    ROTFLMAO! Have you checked the obesity rate lately? LOL!

    Yes, concerning. But despite that, life expectancy is still way way way
    above what it was 100 years ago. Another example of not seeing the wood
    for the trees.


    Listening to the so-called "experts" is WHY obesity and comorbidities
    has increased.

    Most health practioners advise a diet and lifestyle that aims to prevent obesity - at least in my world. In yours things may be different.


    They recommend low animal fat (if any), low cholesterol and high carbohydrate diets loaded with seed oils. If you want to die of obesity and type-2 diabetes, listen to those clowns.

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  • From Scott Dorsey@21:1/5 to no_email@invalid.invalid on Sat Dec 14 21:57:10 2024
    Oregonian Haruspex <no_email@invalid.invalid> wrote:

    You seem very offended. This huffy faux emotional reaction is just what I’d >expect from somebody from your shit outfit. Ukraine lost. Democrats lost. >Nannies lost. You lost.

    I don't get this. I am seeing an increasing number of people, and most of
    them are on the right but a shocking number of them are on the left, who seem to view everything in the world as a zero sum game. "The other guy lost, therefore I have won." "I won, therefore the other guy lost." The thing
    is, life isn't like that.

    In most cases there isn't even any winning or losing to be done at all, and viewing everything as a competition is often not the right lens in the first place.

    I am especially saddened to see this happening on the right, which for years upheld Ronald Reagan whose great philosophy was that a rising tide raised
    all boats. But Reagan's philosophy seems to have been thrown away.
    --scott

    --
    "C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

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  • From Scott Dorsey@21:1/5 to anon@anon.net on Sat Dec 14 21:58:12 2024
    In article <vj7veq$2c4ks$1@news.mixmin.net>, Anonymous <anon@anon.net> wrote:

    Listening to the so-called "experts" is WHY obesity and comorbidities
    has increased.

    Depends which experts. If you have been listening to fast-food experts and expert pastry chefs, this could explain things.
    --scott

    --
    "C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

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  • From D@21:1/5 to Scott Dorsey on Sun Dec 15 00:02:54 2024
    On Sat, 14 Dec 2024, Scott Dorsey wrote:

    Oregonian Haruspex <no_email@invalid.invalid> wrote:

    You seem very offended. This huffy faux emotional reaction is just what I???d
    expect from somebody from your shit outfit. Ukraine lost. Democrats lost.
    Nannies lost. You lost.

    I don't get this. I am seeing an increasing number of people, and most of them are on the right but a shocking number of them are on the left, who seem to view everything in the world as a zero sum game. "The other guy lost, therefore I have won." "I won, therefore the other guy lost." The thing
    is, life isn't like that.

    In most cases there isn't even any winning or losing to be done at all, and viewing everything as a competition is often not the right lens in the first place.

    I am especially saddened to see this happening on the right, which for years upheld Ronald Reagan whose great philosophy was that a rising tide raised
    all boats. But Reagan's philosophy seems to have been thrown away.
    --scott

    This is very sad. We should come together in love and compassion working towards a common goal. Instead we get identity politics trying to divide
    and conquer by constantly creating new false dichotomies and in-groups/out-groups in order to create destruction. =(

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  • From World Knight@21:1/5 to Lawrence D'Oliveiro on Sun Dec 15 16:34:51 2024
    On 12/2/24 4:37 PM, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
    Report on a study <https://arstechnica.com/science/2024/12/people-will-share-misinformation-that-sparks-moral-outrage/>
    into why people are more likely to pass on false reports and rumours
    rather than factual ones.

    Of course, given how politically-charged the issue of what is “lies”
    and “truth” can be, they chose to base the credibility (or not) of
    news sources, not on their own judgement, but on a more objective
    measure, of how often reports from those sources were fact-checked as
    false.

    What they found was that, often, the people spreading the false
    stories knew they were false, but passed them on anyway, on the basis
    of the degree of moral outrage they provoked. In other words, they
    wanted to push people’s buttons. (I suppose this is the definition of “populism”.)

    And some politicians doing this are not shy about admitting as much:

    Brady pointed to an example from the recent campaign, when a
    reporter pushed J.D. Vance about false claims regarding immigrants
    eating pets. “When the reporter pushed him, he implied that yes,
    it was fabrication, but it was outrageous and spoke to the issues
    his constituents were mad about,” Brady says. These experiments
    show that this kind of dishonesty is not exclusive to politicians
    running for office—people do this on social media all the time.

    Wasn’t it Mark Twain who said that “a lie can spread halfway around
    the world while the truth is still putting on its shoes”?
    I wonder if, given recent research on the effectiveness of
    counternarratives on extremist positions, we might apply this more
    generally to misinformation?

    For example, William Allchorn, a scholar on extremist social movements,
    found that "[counternarrative] messages of unity that foster a sense of
    common human values, togetherness, and kindness worked best. In
    particular, it was learnt that content with a rousing, emotive, or
    'feel-good' factor was preferred over more cerebral content. Moreover,
    if key points of content were introduced, they needed to be
    straightforward and present factual content that was watertight. It was
    found that narratives that attacked the far right, singled out or
    reified a single ethnicity, and were too 'political' failed to engage
    the audience—and led to negative reactions" (see https://doi.org/10.4337/9781803925738.00022)

    Allchorn is talking about messages that successfully/unsuccessfully dial
    back hostile positions towards certain groups, which certainly overlaps
    with the type of misinformation Brady references. Might it be the case,
    then, that a good way to counter the misinformation's effect may be to
    not address it directly, but rather offer simple and straightforward counternarratives?

    Curious to hear thoughts.

    -World Knight

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  • From Jim Jackson@21:1/5 to Scott Dorsey on Sun Dec 15 21:48:22 2024
    On 2024-12-14, Scott Dorsey <kludge@panix.com> wrote:
    In article <vj7veq$2c4ks$1@news.mixmin.net>, Anonymous <anon@anon.net> wrote:

    Listening to the so-called "experts" is WHY obesity and comorbidities
    has increased.

    Depends which experts. If you have been listening to fast-food experts and expert pastry chefs, this could explain things.

    His ramblings are so obtuse, I'm often not sure what he is getting at or
    where he is coming from. I don't expect he does.

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