• the mythology of work

    From Salvador Mirzo@21:1/5 to All on Tue Feb 11 19:55:47 2025
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    The Mythology of Work
    2018-09-03

    What if nobody worked? Sweatshops would empty out and assembly lines
    would grind to a halt, at least the ones producing things no one would
    make voluntarily. Telemarketing would cease. Despicable individuals who
    only hold sway over others because of wealth and title would have to
    learn better social skills. Traffic jams would come to an end; so would
    oil spills. Paper money and job applications would be used as fire
    starter as people reverted to barter and sharing. Grass and flowers
    would grow from the cracks in the sidewalk, eventually making way for
    fruit trees.

    And we would all starve to death. But we’re not exactly subsisting on paperwork and performance evaluations, are we? Most of the things we
    make and do for money are patently irrelevant to our survival—and to
    what gives life meaning, besides.

    This text is a selection from Work, our 376-page analysis of
    contemporary capitalism. It is also available as a pamphlet.

    That depends on what you mean by “work.” Think about how many people
    enjoy gardening, fishing, carpentry, cooking, and even computer
    programming just for their own sake. What if that kind of activity could provide for all our needs?

    For hundreds of years, people have claimed that technological progress
    would soon liberate humanity from the need to work. Today we have
    capabilities our ancestors couldn’t have imagined, but those predictions still haven’t come true. In the US we actually work longer hours than we
    did a couple generations ago—the poor in order to survive, the rich in
    order to compete. Others desperately seek employment, hardly enjoying
    the comfortable leisure all this progress should provide. Despite the
    talk of recession and the need for austerity measures, corporations are reporting record earnings, the wealthiest are wealthier than ever, and tremendous quantities of goods are produced just to be thrown
    away. There’s plenty of wealth, but it’s not being used to liberate humanity.

    What kind of system simultaneously produces abundance and prevents us
    from making the most of it? The defenders of the free market argue that there’s no other option—and so long as our society is organized this
    way, there isn’t.

    Yet once upon a time, before time cards and power lunches, everything
    got done without work. The natural world that provided for our needs
    hadn’t yet been carved up and privatized. Knowledge and skills weren’t
    the exclusive domains of licensed experts, held hostage by expensive institutions; time wasn’t divided into productive work and consumptive leisure. We know this because work was invented only a few thousand
    years ago, but human beings have been around for hundreds of thousands
    of years. We’re told that life was “solitary, poor, nasty, brutish, and short” back then—but that narrative comes to us from the ones who
    stamped out that way of life, not the ones who practiced it.

    This isn’t to say we should go back to the way things used to be, or
    that we could—only that things don’t have to be the way they are right
    now. If our distant ancestors could see us today, they’d probably be
    excited about some of our inventions and horrified by others, but they’d surely be shocked by how we apply them. We built this world with our
    labor, and without certain obstacles we could surely build a better
    one. That wouldn’t mean abandoning everything we’ve learned. It would
    just mean abandoning everything we’ve learned doesn’t work.

    One can hardly deny that work is productive. Just a couple thousand
    years of it have dramatically transformed the surface of the earth.

    But what exactly does it produce? Disposable chopsticks by the billion;
    laptops and cell phones that are obsolete within a couple years. Miles
    of waste dumps and tons upon tons of chlorofluorocarbons. Factories that
    will rust as soon as labor is cheaper elsewhere. Dumpsters full of
    overstock, while a billion suffer malnutrition; medical treatments only
    the wealthy can afford; novels and philosophies and art movements most
    of us just don’t have time for in a society that subordinates desires to profit motives and needs to property rights.

    And where do the resources for all this production come from? What
    happens to the ecosystems and communities that are pillaged and
    exploited? If work is productive, it’s even more destructive.

    Work doesn’t produce goods out of thin air; it’s not a conjuring
    act. Rather, it takes raw materials from the biosphere—a common treasury shared by all living things—and transforms them into products animated
    by the logic of market. For those who see the world in terms of balance
    sheets, this is an improvement, but the rest of us shouldn’t take their
    word for it.

    Capitalists and socialists have always taken it for granted that work
    produces value. Workers have to consider a different possibility—that
    working uses up value. That’s why the forests and polar ice caps are
    being consumed alongside the hours of our lives: the aches in our bodies
    when we come home from work parallel the damage taking place on a global
    scale.

    What should we be producing, if not all this stuff? Well, how about
    happiness itself? Can we imagine a society in which the primary goal of
    our activity was to make the most of life, to explore its mysteries,
    rather than to amass wealth or outflank competition? We would still make material goods in such a society, of course, but not in order to compete
    for profit. Festivals, feasts, philosophy, romance, creative pursuits, child-rearing, friendship, adventure—can we picture these as the center
    of life, rather than packed into our spare time?

    Today things are the other way around—our conception of happiness is constructed as a means to stimulate production. Small wonder products
    are crowding us out of the world.

    Work doesn’t simply create wealth where there was only poverty
    before. On the contrary, so long as it enriches some at others’ expense,
    work creates poverty, too, in direct proportion to profit.

    Poverty is not an objective condition, but a relationship produced by
    unequal distribution of resources. There’s no such thing as poverty in societies in which people share everything. There may be scarcity, but
    no one is subjected to the indignity of having to go without while
    others have more than they know what to do with. As profit is
    accumulated and the minimum threshold of wealth necessary to exert
    influence in society rises higher and higher, poverty becomes more and
    more debilitating. It is a form of exile—the cruelest form of exile, for
    you stay within society while being excluded from it. You can neither participate nor go anywhere else.

    Work doesn’t just create poverty alongside wealth—it concentrates wealth
    in the hands of a few while spreading poverty far and wide. For every
    Bill Gates, a million people must live below the poverty line; for every
    Shell Oil, there has to be a Nigeria. The more we work, the more profit
    is accumulated from our labor, and the poorer we are compared to our exploiters.

    So in addition to creating wealth, work makes people poor. This is clear
    even before we factor in all the other ways work makes us poor: poor in self-determination, poor in free time, poor in health, poor in sense of
    self beyond our careers and bank accounts, poor in spirit.

    “Cost of living” estimates are misleading—there’s little living going on
    at all! “Cost of working” is more like it, and it’s not cheap.

    Everyone knows what housecleaners and dishwashers pay for being the
    backbone of our economy. All the scourges of poverty—addiction, broken families, poor health—are par for the course; the ones who survive these
    and somehow go on showing up on time are working miracles. Think what
    they could accomplish if they were free to apply that power to something
    other than earning profits for their employers!

    What about their employers, fortunate to be higher on the pyramid? You
    would think earning a higher salary would mean having more money and
    thus more freedom, but it’s not that simple. Every job entails hidden
    costs: just as a dishwasher has to pay bus fare to and from work every
    day, a corporate lawyer has to be able to fly anywhere at a moment’s
    notice, to maintain a country club membership for informal business
    meetings, to own a small mansion in which to entertain dinner guests
    that double as clients. This is why it’s so difficult for middle-class workers to save up enough money to quit while they’re ahead and get out
    of the rat race: trying to get ahead in the economy basically means
    running in place. At best, you might advance to a fancier treadmill, but you’ll have to run faster to stay on it.

    And these merely financial costs of working are the least expensive. In
    one survey, people of all walks of life were asked how much money they
    would need to live the life they wanted; from pauper to patrician, they
    all answered approximately double whatever their current income was. So
    not only is money costly to obtain, but, like any addictive drug, it’s
    less and less fulfilling! And the further up you get in the hierarchy,
    the more you have to fight to hold your place. The wealthy executive
    must abandon his unruly passions and his conscience, must convince
    himself that he deserves more than the unfortunates whose labor provides
    for his comfort, must smother his every impulse to question, to share,
    to imagine himself in others’ shoes; if he doesn’t, sooner or later some more ruthless contender replaces him. Both blue-collar and white-collar
    workers have to kill themselves to keep the jobs that keep them alive;
    it’s just a question of physical or spiritual destruction.

    Those are the costs we pay individually, but there’s also a global price
    to pay for all this working. Alongside the environmental costs, there
    are work-related illnesses, injuries, and deaths: every year we kill
    people by the thousand to sell hamburgers and health club memberships to
    the survivors. The US Department of Labor reported that twice as many
    people suffered fatal work injuries in 2001 as died in the September 11 attacks, and that doesn’t begin to take into account work-related
    illnesses. Above all, more exorbitant than any other price, there is the
    cost of never learning how to direct our own lives, never getting the
    chance to answer or even ask the question of what we would do with our
    time on this planet if it was up to us. We can never know how much we
    are giving up by settling for a world in which people are too busy, too
    poor, or too beaten down to do so.

    Why work, if it’s so expensive? Everyone knows the answer—there’s no other way to acquire the resources we need to survive, or for that
    matter to participate in society at all. All the earlier social forms
    that made other ways of life possible have been eradicated—they were
    stamped out by conquistadors, slave traders, and corporations that left
    neither tribe nor tradition nor ecosystem intact. Contrary to capitalist propaganda, free human beings don’t crowd into factories for a pittance
    if they have other options, not even in return for name brand shoes and software. In working and shopping and paying bills, each of us helps
    perpetuate the conditions that necessitate these activities. Capitalism
    exists because we invest everything in it: all our energy and ingenuity
    in the marketplace, all our resources at the supermarket and in the
    stock market, all our attention in the media. To be more precise,
    capitalism exists because our daily activities are it. But would we
    continue to reproduce it if we felt we had another choice?

    On the contrary, instead of enabling people to achieve happiness, work
    fosters the worst kind of self-denial.

    Obeying teachers, bosses, the demands of the market—not to mention laws, parents’ expectations, religious scriptures, social norms—we’re conditioned from infancy to put our desires on hold. Following orders
    becomes an unconscious reflex, whether or not they are in our best
    interest; deferring to experts becomes second nature.

    Selling our time rather than doing things for their own sake, we come to evaluate our lives on the basis of how much we can get in exchange for
    them, not what we get out of them. As freelance slaves hawking our lives
    hour by hour, we think of ourselves as each having a price; the amount
    of the price becomes our measure of value. In that sense, we become commodities, just like toothpaste and toilet paper. What once was a
    human being is now an employee, in the same way that what once was a pig
    is now a pork chop. Our lives disappear, spent like the money for which
    we trade them.

    Most of us have become so used to giving up things that are precious to
    us that sacrifice has become our only way of expressing that we care
    about something. We martyr ourselves for ideas, causes, love of one
    another, even when these are supposed to help us find happiness.

    There are families, for example, in which people show affection by
    competing to be the one who gives up the most for the
    others. Gratification isn’t just delayed, it’s passed on from one generation to the next. The responsibility of finally enjoying all the happiness presumably saved up over years of thankless toil is deferred
    to the children; yet when they come of age, if they are to be seen as responsible adults, they too must begin working their fingers to the
    bone.

    But the buck has to stop somewhere.

    People work hard nowadays, that’s for sure. Tying access to resources to market performance has caused unprecedented production and technological progress. Indeed, the market has monopolized access to our own creative capacities to such an extent that many people work not only to survive
    but also to have something to do. But what kind of initiative does this instill?

    Let’s go back to global warming, one of the most serious crises facing
    the planet. After decades of denial, politicians and businessmen have
    finally swung into action to do something about it. And what are they
    doing? Casting about for ways to cash in! Carbon credits, “clean” coal, “green” investment firms—who believes that these are the most effective way to curb the production of greenhouse gases? It’s ironic that a catastrophe caused by capitalist consumerism can be used to spur more consumption, but it reveals a lot about the kind of initiative work
    instills. What kind of person, confronted with the task of preventing
    the end of life on earth, responds, “Sure, but what’s in it for me?”

    If everything in our society has to be driven by a profit motive to
    succeed, that might not be initiative after all, but something
    else. Really taking initiative, initiating new values and new modes of behavior—this is as unthinkable to the enterprising businessman as it is
    to his most listless employee. What if working—that is, leasing your
    creative powers to others, whether managers or customers—actually erodes initiative?

    The evidence for this extends beyond the workplace. How many people who
    never miss a day of work can’t show up on time for band practice? We
    can’t keep up with the reading for our book clubs even when we can
    finish papers for school on time; the things we really want to do with
    our lives end up at the bottom of the to-do list. The ability to follow
    through on commitments becomes something outside ourselves, associated
    with external rewards or punishments.

    Imagine a world in which everything people do, they do because they want
    to, because they are personally invested in bringing it about. For any
    boss who has struggled to motivate indifferent employees, the idea of
    working with people who are equally invested in the same projects sounds utopian. But this isn’t proof that nothing would get done without bosses
    and salaries—it just shows how work saps us of initiative.

    Let’s say your job never injures, poisons, or sickens you. Let’s also
    take it for granted that the economy doesn’t crash and take your job and savings with it, and that no one who got a worse deal than you manages
    to hurt or rob you. You still can’t be sure you won’t be
    downsized. Nowadays nobody works for the same employer his whole life;
    you work somewhere a few years until they let you go for someone younger
    and cheaper or outsource your job overseas. You can break your back to
    prove you’re the best in your field and still end up hung out to dry.

    You have to count on your employers to make shrewd decisions so they can
    write your paycheck—they can’t just fritter money away or they won’t
    have it to pay you. But you never know when that shrewdness will turn
    against you: the ones you depend on for your livelihood didn’t get where
    they are by being sentimental. If you’re self-employed, you probably
    know how fickle the market can be, too.

    What could provide real security? Perhaps being part of a long-term
    community in which people looked out for each other, a community based
    on mutual assistance rather than financial incentives. And what is one
    of the chief obstacles to building that kind of community today? Work.

    Who carried out most of the injustices in history? Employees. This is
    not necessarily to say they are responsible for them—as they would be
    the first to tell you!

    Does receiving a wage absolve you of responsibility for your actions?
    Working seems to foster the impression that it does. The Nuremburg defense—“I was just following orders”—has been the anthem and alibi of millions of employees. This willingness to check one’s conscience at the workplace door—to be, in fact, a mercenary—lies at the root of many of
    the troubles plaguing our species.

    People have done horrible things without orders, too—but not nearly so
    many horrible things. You can reason with a person who is acting for
    herself; she acknowledges that she is accountable for her
    decisions. Employees, on the other hand, can do unimaginably dumb and destructive things while refusing to think about the consequences.

    The real problem, of course, isn’t employees refusing to take
    responsibility for their actions—it’s the economic system that makes
    taking responsibility so prohibitively expensive.

    Employees dump toxic waste into rivers and oceans.

    Employees slaughter cows and perform experiments on monkeys.

    Employees throw away truckloads of food.

    Employees are destroying the ozone layer.

    They watch your every move through security cameras.

    They evict you when you don’t pay your rent.

    They imprison you when you don’t pay your taxes.

    They humiliate you when you don’t do your homework or show up to work on time.

    They enter information about your private life into credit reports and
    FBI files.

    They give you speeding tickets and tow your car.

    They administer standardized exams, juvenile detention centers, and
    lethal injections.

    The soldiers who herded people into gas chambers were employees,

    Just like the soldiers occupying Iraq and Afghanistan,

    Just like the suicide bombers who target them—they are employees of God, hoping to be paid in paradise.

    Let’s be clear about this—critiquing work doesn’t mean rejecting labor, effort, ambition, or commitment. It doesn’t mean demanding that
    everything be fun or easy. Fighting against the forces that compel us to
    work is hard work. Laziness is not the alternative to work, though it
    might be a byproduct of it.

    The bottom line is simple: all of us deserve to make the most of our
    potential as we see fit, to be the masters of our own destinies. Being
    forced to sell these things away to survive is tragic and
    humiliating. **We don’t have to live like this**.

    Source: <https://crimethinc.com/2018/09/03/the-mythology-of-work-eight-myths-that-keep-your-eyes-on-the-clock-and-your-nose-to-the-grindstone>

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  • From Lawrence D'Oliveiro@21:1/5 to Salvador Mirzo on Tue Feb 11 23:37:37 2025
    On Tue, 11 Feb 2025 19:55:47 -0300, Salvador Mirzo wrote:

    We’re told that life was “solitary, poor, nasty, brutish, and
    short” back then—but that narrative comes to us from the ones who
    stamped out that way of life, not the ones who practiced it.

    We also have the evidence of their dead bodies. Look at the graves of hunter-gatherers, compared to, say, those of the early agricultural
    societies. The hunter-gatherers look like a much fitter bunch, while the agriculturalists often show evidence of suffering from a variety of
    chronic medical conditions. But remember, they all died anyway. So it
    didn’t take as much to kill the hunter-gatherers as it did to knock off someone from a society practising organized agriculture.

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  • From D@21:1/5 to Salvador Mirzo on Wed Feb 12 01:42:13 2025
    On Tue, 11 Feb 2025 19:55:47 -0300, Salvador Mirzo <smirzo@example.com> wrote: >I don't know to what group this should go. Given the current low volume
    of this group and the USENET as a whole, perhaps this is not grave
    crime. I also think a lot of people here would enjoy discussing the
    subject.
    The Mythology of Work
    2018-09-03

    What if nobody worked? Sweatshops would empty out and assembly lines
    would grind to a halt, at least the ones producing things no one would
    make voluntarily. Telemarketing would cease. Despicable individuals who
    only hold sway over others because of wealth and title would have to
    learn better social skills. Traffic jams would come to an end; so would
    oil spills. Paper money and job applications would be used as fire
    starter as people reverted to barter and sharing. Grass and flowers
    would grow from the cracks in the sidewalk, eventually making way for
    fruit trees.
    And we would all starve to death. But we're not exactly subsisting on >paperwork and performance evaluations, are we? Most of the things we
    make and do for money are patently irrelevant to our survival--and to
    what gives life meaning, besides.
    This text is a selection from Work, our 376-page analysis of
    contemporary capitalism. It is also available as a pamphlet.
    That depends on what you mean by "work." Think about how many people
    enjoy gardening, fishing, carpentry, cooking, and even computer
    programming just for their own sake. What if that kind of activity could >provide for all our needs?
    For hundreds of years, people have claimed that technological progress
    would soon liberate humanity from the need to work. Today we have >capabilities our ancestors couldn't have imagined, but those predictions >still haven't come true. In the US we actually work longer hours than we
    did a couple generations ago--the poor in order to survive, the rich in
    order to compete. Others desperately seek employment, hardly enjoying
    the comfortable leisure all this progress should provide. Despite the
    talk of recession and the need for austerity measures, corporations are >reporting record earnings, the wealthiest are wealthier than ever, and >tremendous quantities of goods are produced just to be thrown
    away. There's plenty of wealth, but it's not being used to liberate
    humanity.
    What kind of system simultaneously produces abundance and prevents us
    from making the most of it? The defenders of the free market argue that >there's no other option--and so long as our society is organized this
    way, there isn't.
    Yet once upon a time, before time cards and power lunches, everything
    got done without work. The natural world that provided for our needs
    hadn't yet been carved up and privatized. Knowledge and skills weren't
    the exclusive domains of licensed experts, held hostage by expensive >institutions; time wasn't divided into productive work and consumptive >leisure. We know this because work was invented only a few thousand
    years ago, but human beings have been around for hundreds of thousands
    of years. We're told that life was "solitary, poor, nasty, brutish, and >short" back then--but that narrative comes to us from the ones who
    stamped out that way of life, not the ones who practiced it.
    This isn't to say we should go back to the way things used to be, or
    that we could--only that things don't have to be the way they are right
    now. If our distant ancestors could see us today, they'd probably be
    excited about some of our inventions and horrified by others, but they'd >surely be shocked by how we apply them. We built this world with our
    labor, and without certain obstacles we could surely build a better
    one. That wouldn't mean abandoning everything we've learned. It would
    just mean abandoning everything we've learned doesn't work.
    One can hardly deny that work is productive. Just a couple thousand
    years of it have dramatically transformed the surface of the earth.
    But what exactly does it produce? Disposable chopsticks by the billion; >laptops and cell phones that are obsolete within a couple years. Miles
    of waste dumps and tons upon tons of chlorofluorocarbons. Factories that
    will rust as soon as labor is cheaper elsewhere. Dumpsters full of
    overstock, while a billion suffer malnutrition; medical treatments only
    the wealthy can afford; novels and philosophies and art movements most
    of us just don't have time for in a society that subordinates desires to >profit motives and needs to property rights.
    And where do the resources for all this production come from? What
    happens to the ecosystems and communities that are pillaged and
    exploited? If work is productive, it's even more destructive.
    Work doesn't produce goods out of thin air; it's not a conjuring
    act. Rather, it takes raw materials from the biosphere--a common treasury >shared by all living things--and transforms them into products animated
    by the logic of market. For those who see the world in terms of balance >sheets, this is an improvement, but the rest of us shouldn't take their
    word for it.
    Capitalists and socialists have always taken it for granted that work >produces value. Workers have to consider a different possibility--that >working uses up value. That's why the forests and polar ice caps are
    being consumed alongside the hours of our lives: the aches in our bodies
    when we come home from work parallel the damage taking place on a global >scale.
    What should we be producing, if not all this stuff? Well, how about
    happiness itself? Can we imagine a society in which the primary goal of
    our activity was to make the most of life, to explore its mysteries,
    rather than to amass wealth or outflank competition? We would still make >material goods in such a society, of course, but not in order to compete
    for profit. Festivals, feasts, philosophy, romance, creative pursuits, >child-rearing, friendship, adventure--can we picture these as the center
    of life, rather than packed into our spare time?
    Today things are the other way around--our conception of happiness is >constructed as a means to stimulate production. Small wonder products
    are crowding us out of the world.
    Work doesn't simply create wealth where there was only poverty
    before. On the contrary, so long as it enriches some at others' expense,
    work creates poverty, too, in direct proportion to profit.
    Poverty is not an objective condition, but a relationship produced by
    unequal distribution of resources. There's no such thing as poverty in >societies in which people share everything. There may be scarcity, but
    no one is subjected to the indignity of having to go without while
    others have more than they know what to do with. As profit is
    accumulated and the minimum threshold of wealth necessary to exert
    influence in society rises higher and higher, poverty becomes more and
    more debilitating. It is a form of exile--the cruelest form of exile, for
    you stay within society while being excluded from it. You can neither >participate nor go anywhere else.
    Work doesn't just create poverty alongside wealth--it concentrates wealth
    in the hands of a few while spreading poverty far and wide. For every
    Bill Gates, a million people must live below the poverty line; for every >Shell Oil, there has to be a Nigeria. The more we work, the more profit
    is accumulated from our labor, and the poorer we are compared to our >exploiters.
    So in addition to creating wealth, work makes people poor. This is clear
    even before we factor in all the other ways work makes us poor: poor in >self-determination, poor in free time, poor in health, poor in sense of
    self beyond our careers and bank accounts, poor in spirit.
    "Cost of living" estimates are misleading--there's little living going on
    at all! "Cost of working" is more like it, and it's not cheap.
    Everyone knows what housecleaners and dishwashers pay for being the
    backbone of our economy. All the scourges of poverty--addiction, broken >families, poor health--are par for the course; the ones who survive these
    and somehow go on showing up on time are working miracles. Think what
    they could accomplish if they were free to apply that power to something >other than earning profits for their employers!
    What about their employers, fortunate to be higher on the pyramid? You
    would think earning a higher salary would mean having more money and
    thus more freedom, but it's not that simple. Every job entails hidden
    costs: just as a dishwasher has to pay bus fare to and from work every
    day, a corporate lawyer has to be able to fly anywhere at a moment's
    notice, to maintain a country club membership for informal business
    meetings, to own a small mansion in which to entertain dinner guests
    that double as clients. This is why it's so difficult for middle-class >workers to save up enough money to quit while they're ahead and get out
    of the rat race: trying to get ahead in the economy basically means
    running in place. At best, you might advance to a fancier treadmill, but >you'll have to run faster to stay on it.
    And these merely financial costs of working are the least expensive. In
    one survey, people of all walks of life were asked how much money they
    would need to live the life they wanted; from pauper to patrician, they
    all answered approximately double whatever their current income was. So
    not only is money costly to obtain, but, like any addictive drug, it's
    less and less fulfilling! And the further up you get in the hierarchy,
    the more you have to fight to hold your place. The wealthy executive
    must abandon his unruly passions and his conscience, must convince
    himself that he deserves more than the unfortunates whose labor provides
    for his comfort, must smother his every impulse to question, to share,
    to imagine himself in others' shoes; if he doesn't, sooner or later some
    more ruthless contender replaces him. Both blue-collar and white-collar >workers have to kill themselves to keep the jobs that keep them alive;
    it's just a question of physical or spiritual destruction.
    Those are the costs we pay individually, but there's also a global price
    to pay for all this working. Alongside the environmental costs, there
    are work-related illnesses, injuries, and deaths: every year we kill
    people by the thousand to sell hamburgers and health club memberships to
    the survivors. The US Department of Labor reported that twice as many
    people suffered fatal work injuries in 2001 as died in the September 11 >attacks, and that doesn't begin to take into account work-related
    illnesses. Above all, more exorbitant than any other price, there is the
    cost of never learning how to direct our own lives, never getting the
    chance to answer or even ask the question of what we would do with our
    time on this planet if it was up to us. We can never know how much we
    are giving up by settling for a world in which people are too busy, too
    poor, or too beaten down to do so.
    Why work, if it's so expensive? Everyone knows the answer--there's no
    other way to acquire the resources we need to survive, or for that
    matter to participate in society at all. All the earlier social forms
    that made other ways of life possible have been eradicated--they were
    stamped out by conquistadors, slave traders, and corporations that left >neither tribe nor tradition nor ecosystem intact. Contrary to capitalist >propaganda, free human beings don't crowd into factories for a pittance
    if they have other options, not even in return for name brand shoes and >software. In working and shopping and paying bills, each of us helps >perpetuate the conditions that necessitate these activities. Capitalism >exists because we invest everything in it: all our energy and ingenuity
    in the marketplace, all our resources at the supermarket and in the
    stock market, all our attention in the media. To be more precise,
    capitalism exists because our daily activities are it. But would we
    continue to reproduce it if we felt we had another choice?
    On the contrary, instead of enabling people to achieve happiness, work >fosters the worst kind of self-denial.
    Obeying teachers, bosses, the demands of the market--not to mention laws, >parents' expectations, religious scriptures, social norms--we're
    conditioned from infancy to put our desires on hold. Following orders
    becomes an unconscious reflex, whether or not they are in our best
    interest; deferring to experts becomes second nature.
    Selling our time rather than doing things for their own sake, we come to >evaluate our lives on the basis of how much we can get in exchange for
    them, not what we get out of them. As freelance slaves hawking our lives
    hour by hour, we think of ourselves as each having a price; the amount
    of the price becomes our measure of value. In that sense, we become >commodities, just like toothpaste and toilet paper. What once was a
    human being is now an employee, in the same way that what once was a pig
    is now a pork chop. Our lives disappear, spent like the money for which
    we trade them.
    Most of us have become so used to giving up things that are precious to
    us that sacrifice has become our only way of expressing that we care
    about something. We martyr ourselves for ideas, causes, love of one
    another, even when these are supposed to help us find happiness.
    There are families, for example, in which people show affection by
    competing to be the one who gives up the most for the
    others. Gratification isn't just delayed, it's passed on from one
    generation to the next. The responsibility of finally enjoying all the >happiness presumably saved up over years of thankless toil is deferred
    to the children; yet when they come of age, if they are to be seen as >responsible adults, they too must begin working their fingers to the
    bone.
    But the buck has to stop somewhere.
    People work hard nowadays, that's for sure. Tying access to resources to >market performance has caused unprecedented production and technological >progress. Indeed, the market has monopolized access to our own creative >capacities to such an extent that many people work not only to survive
    but also to have something to do. But what kind of initiative does this >instill?
    Let's go back to global warming, one of the most serious crises facing
    the planet. After decades of denial, politicians and businessmen have
    finally swung into action to do something about it. And what are they
    doing? Casting about for ways to cash in! Carbon credits, "clean" coal, >"green" investment firms--who believes that these are the most effective
    way to curb the production of greenhouse gases? It's ironic that a >catastrophe caused by capitalist consumerism can be used to spur more >consumption, but it reveals a lot about the kind of initiative work
    instills. What kind of person, confronted with the task of preventing
    the end of life on earth, responds, "Sure, but what's in it for me?"
    If everything in our society has to be driven by a profit motive to
    succeed, that might not be initiative after all, but something
    else. Really taking initiative, initiating new values and new modes of >behavior--this is as unthinkable to the enterprising businessman as it is
    to his most listless employee. What if working--that is, leasing your >creative powers to others, whether managers or customers--actually erodes >initiative?
    The evidence for this extends beyond the workplace. How many people who
    never miss a day of work can't show up on time for band practice? We
    can't keep up with the reading for our book clubs even when we can
    finish papers for school on time; the things we really want to do with
    our lives end up at the bottom of the to-do list. The ability to follow >through on commitments becomes something outside ourselves, associated
    with external rewards or punishments.
    Imagine a world in which everything people do, they do because they want
    to, because they are personally invested in bringing it about. For any
    boss who has struggled to motivate indifferent employees, the idea of
    working with people who are equally invested in the same projects sounds >utopian. But this isn't proof that nothing would get done without bosses
    and salaries--it just shows how work saps us of initiative.
    Let's say your job never injures, poisons, or sickens you. Let's also
    take it for granted that the economy doesn't crash and take your job and >savings with it, and that no one who got a worse deal than you manages
    to hurt or rob you. You still can't be sure you won't be
    downsized. Nowadays nobody works for the same employer his whole life;
    you work somewhere a few years until they let you go for someone younger
    and cheaper or outsource your job overseas. You can break your back to
    prove you're the best in your field and still end up hung out to dry.
    You have to count on your employers to make shrewd decisions so they can >write your paycheck--they can't just fritter money away or they won't
    have it to pay you. But you never know when that shrewdness will turn
    against you: the ones you depend on for your livelihood didn't get where
    they are by being sentimental. If you're self-employed, you probably
    know how fickle the market can be, too.
    What could provide real security? Perhaps being part of a long-term
    community in which people looked out for each other, a community based
    on mutual assistance rather than financial incentives. And what is one
    of the chief obstacles to building that kind of community today? Work.
    Who carried out most of the injustices in history? Employees. This is
    not necessarily to say they are responsible for them--as they would be
    the first to tell you!
    Does receiving a wage absolve you of responsibility for your actions?
    Working seems to foster the impression that it does. The Nuremburg >defense--"I was just following orders"--has been the anthem and alibi of >millions of employees. This willingness to check one's conscience at the >workplace door--to be, in fact, a mercenary--lies at the root of many of
    the troubles plaguing our species.
    People have done horrible things without orders, too--but not nearly so
    many horrible things. You can reason with a person who is acting for
    herself; she acknowledges that she is accountable for her
    decisions. Employees, on the other hand, can do unimaginably dumb and >destructive things while refusing to think about the consequences.
    The real problem, of course, isn't employees refusing to take
    responsibility for their actions--it's the economic system that makes
    taking responsibility so prohibitively expensive.
    Employees dump toxic waste into rivers and oceans.
    Employees slaughter cows and perform experiments on monkeys.
    Employees throw away truckloads of food.
    Employees are destroying the ozone layer.
    They watch your every move through security cameras.
    They evict you when you don't pay your rent.
    They imprison you when you don't pay your taxes.
    They humiliate you when you don't do your homework or show up to work on >time.
    They enter information about your private life into credit reports and
    FBI files.
    They give you speeding tickets and tow your car.
    They administer standardized exams, juvenile detention centers, and
    lethal injections.
    The soldiers who herded people into gas chambers were employees,
    Just like the soldiers occupying Iraq and Afghanistan,
    Just like the suicide bombers who target them--they are employees of God, >hoping to be paid in paradise.
    Let's be clear about this--critiquing work doesn't mean rejecting labor, >effort, ambition, or commitment. It doesn't mean demanding that
    everything be fun or easy. Fighting against the forces that compel us to
    work is hard work. Laziness is not the alternative to work, though it
    might be a byproduct of it.
    The bottom line is simple: all of us deserve to make the most of our >potential as we see fit, to be the masters of our own destinies. Being
    forced to sell these things away to survive is tragic and
    humiliating. **We don't have to live like this**.
    Source: ><https://crimethinc.com/2018/09/03/the-mythology-of-work-eight-myths-that-keep-your-eyes-on-the-clock-and-your-nose-to-the-grindstone>

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  • From Ben Collver@21:1/5 to Salvador Mirzo on Wed Feb 12 00:49:06 2025
    On 2025-02-11, Salvador Mirzo <smirzo@example.com> wrote:
    The Mythology of Work

    "Where's my flying car?"

    "Where's my 2 hour work week?"

    "Eating just one Billionaire would do more for 'climate resilience' than
    going vegan or never driving a car for the rest of your life."

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  • From D@21:1/5 to Salvador Mirzo on Wed Feb 12 02:52:30 2025
    On Tue, 11 Feb 2025 19:55:47 -0300, Salvador Mirzo <smirzo@example.com> wrote: >I don't know to what group this should go. Given the current low volume
    of this group and the USENET as a whole, perhaps this is not grave
    crime. I also think a lot of people here would enjoy discussing the
    subject.
    The Mythology of Work
    2018-09-03

    What if nobody worked?
    snip

    what goes around comes around . . . same as it ever was

    all ancient texts are in consensus that the universe in
    summation is ten, not nine; ten, not eleven (exodus 20)
    suggest you start at the top and work your way sideways

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  • From Eric Pozharski@21:1/5 to Salvador Mirzo on Wed Feb 12 12:22:41 2025
    with <87pljoytu4.fsf@example.com> Salvador Mirzo wrote:
    *SKIP* [ 25 lines 1 level deep]
    That depends on what you mean by “work.” Think about how many people enjoy gardening, fishing, carpentry, cooking, and even computer
    programming just for their own sake. What if that kind of activity
    could provide for all our needs?

    stoppedreadingthere.jpg

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    --
    Torvalds' goal for Linux is very simple: World Domination
    Stallman's goal for GNU is even simpler: Freedom

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  • From Salvador Mirzo@21:1/5 to Eric Pozharski on Wed Feb 12 21:40:38 2025
    Eric Pozharski <apple.universe@posteo.net> writes:

    with <87pljoytu4.fsf@example.com> Salvador Mirzo wrote:
    *SKIP* [ 25 lines 1 level deep]
    That depends on what you mean by “work.” Think about how many people
    enjoy gardening, fishing, carpentry, cooking, and even computer
    programming just for their own sake. What if that kind of activity
    could provide for all our needs?

    stoppedreadingthere.jpg

    Why?

    *SKIP* [348 lines 1 level deep]

    Is it slrn that makes all this interesting accounting? How do you do
    this?

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  • From Eric Pozharski@21:1/5 to Salvador Mirzo on Thu Feb 13 12:53:23 2025
    with <87h64yu16h.fsf@example.com> Salvador Mirzo wrote:
    Eric Pozharski <apple.universe@posteo.net> writes:
    with <87pljoytu4.fsf@example.com> Salvador Mirzo wrote:

    That depends on what you mean by “work.” Think about how many people >>> enjoy gardening, fishing, carpentry, cooking, and even computer
    programming just for their own sake. What if that kind of activity
    could provide for all our needs?
    stoppedreadingthere.jpg
    Why?

    The whole piece is a request of grant. I'm not The Target Audience.
    Hence, I'm not interested.

    *SKIP* [348 lines 1 level deep]
    Is it slrn that makes all this interesting accounting? How do you do
    this?

    No. Specifically, with vim-perl.

    --
    Torvalds' goal for Linux is very simple: World Domination
    Stallman's goal for GNU is even simpler: Freedom

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  • From Salvador Mirzo@21:1/5 to Eric Pozharski on Thu Feb 13 20:06:28 2025
    Eric Pozharski <apple.universe@posteo.net> writes:

    with <87h64yu16h.fsf@example.com> Salvador Mirzo wrote:
    Eric Pozharski <apple.universe@posteo.net> writes:
    with <87pljoytu4.fsf@example.com> Salvador Mirzo wrote:

    That depends on what you mean by “work.” Think about how many people >>>> enjoy gardening, fishing, carpentry, cooking, and even computer
    programming just for their own sake. What if that kind of activity
    could provide for all our needs?
    stoppedreadingthere.jpg
    Why?

    The whole piece is a request of grant. I'm not The Target Audience.
    Hence, I'm not interested.

    Fair enough.

    *SKIP* [348 lines 1 level deep]
    Is it slrn that makes all this interesting accounting? How do you do
    this?

    No. Specifically, with vim-perl.

    Something you wrote that others can use too? (Though I'm a GNU EMACS'er.)

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  • From candycanearter07@21:1/5 to Salvador Mirzo on Fri Feb 14 05:00:03 2025
    Salvador Mirzo <smirzo@example.com> wrote at 23:06 this Thursday (GMT):
    Eric Pozharski <apple.universe@posteo.net> writes:

    with <87h64yu16h.fsf@example.com> Salvador Mirzo wrote:
    Eric Pozharski <apple.universe@posteo.net> writes:
    with <87pljoytu4.fsf@example.com> Salvador Mirzo wrote:

    That depends on what you mean by “work.” Think about how many people >>>>> enjoy gardening, fishing, carpentry, cooking, and even computer
    programming just for their own sake. What if that kind of activity
    could provide for all our needs?
    stoppedreadingthere.jpg
    Why?

    The whole piece is a request of grant. I'm not The Target Audience.
    Hence, I'm not interested.

    Fair enough.

    *SKIP* [348 lines 1 level deep]
    Is it slrn that makes all this interesting accounting? How do you do
    this?

    No. Specifically, with vim-perl.

    Something you wrote that others can use too? (Though I'm a GNU EMACS'er.)


    And is it compatible with nvim?
    --
    user <candycane> is generated from /dev/urandom

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  • From Eric Pozharski@21:1/5 to Salvador Mirzo on Fri Feb 14 10:22:03 2025
    with <87msepmoln.fsf@example.com> Salvador Mirzo wrote:
    Eric Pozharski <apple.universe@posteo.net> writes:
    with <87h64yu16h.fsf@example.com> Salvador Mirzo wrote:
    Eric Pozharski <apple.universe@posteo.net> writes:
    with <87pljoytu4.fsf@example.com> Salvador Mirzo wrote:

    *SKIP* [ 13 lines 5 levels deep]
    Is it slrn that makes all this interesting accounting? How do you
    do this?
    No. Specifically, with vim-perl.
    Something you wrote that others can use too? (Though I'm a GNU
    EMACS'er.)

    No.

    --
    Torvalds' goal for Linux is very simple: World Domination
    Stallman's goal for GNU is even simpler: Freedom

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  • From Anonymous@21:1/5 to Salvador Mirzo on Sat Feb 15 01:14:52 2025
    Salvador Mirzo wrote:
    Capitalists and socialists have always taken it for granted that work produces value.

    Capitalists have never taken anything like that for granted. Work by itself doesn't produce ANYTHING of value.

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  • From Retrograde@21:1/5 to Ben Collver on Sun Feb 16 16:31:03 2025
    On 2025-02-12, Ben Collver <bencollver@tilde.pink> wrote:
    On 2025-02-11, Salvador Mirzo <smirzo@example.com> wrote:
    The Mythology of Work
    "Eating just one Billionaire would do more for 'climate resilience'
    than going vegan or never driving a car for the rest of your life."

    Problem is, billionaire meat is full of botox/preservatives/plastic and
    are typically high in cholesterol - and feces content.

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