• Re: I wonder why the crawling news trolls missed this?

    From badgolferman@21:1/5 to Bob Campbell on Tue Nov 15 15:10:30 2022
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone, comp.sys.mac.advocacy

    Bob Campbell wrote:


    https://www.imore.com/apple/apples-market-value-jumps-by-a-record-breaking-dollar191-billion-in-one-day

    “Apple's market cap jumped by a whopping $190.9 billion on Thursday,
    making it the biggest single-day jump from a US-listed company.
    Apple's surge beat the previously held record by Amazon from February
    2022, when the company's valuation had jumped by $190.8 billion, says >Bloomberg. Apple also now has four spots in the top five list of the
    biggest daily market cap gains, with Amazon taking the leftover spot.”

    Apple is doomed! DOOMED I say! 🤣


    Market capitalization is a measure of investor greed, not necessarily
    corporate innovation or practices. Just look at GE or Enron.

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  • From Bob Campbell@21:1/5 to All on Tue Nov 15 14:46:25 2022
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone, comp.sys.mac.advocacy

    https://www.imore.com/apple/apples-market-value-jumps-by-a-record-breaking-dollar191-billion-in-one-day

    “Apple's market cap jumped by a whopping $190.9 billion on Thursday, making it the biggest single-day jump from a US-listed company. Apple's surge beat
    the previously held record by Amazon from February 2022, when the company's valuation had jumped by $190.8 billion, says Bloomberg. Apple also now has
    four spots in the top five list of the biggest daily market cap gains, with Amazon taking the leftover spot.”

    Apple is doomed! DOOMED I say! 🤣

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  • From sms@21:1/5 to badgolferman on Tue Nov 15 08:08:22 2022
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone, comp.sys.mac.advocacy

    On 11/15/2022 7:10 AM, badgolferman wrote:
    Bob Campbell wrote:


    https://www.imore.com/apple/apples-market-value-jumps-by-a-record-breaking-dollar191-billion-in-one-day

    “Apple's market cap jumped by a whopping $190.9 billion on Thursday,
    making it the biggest single-day jump from a US-listed company.
    Apple's surge beat the previously held record by Amazon from February
    2022, when the company's valuation had jumped by $190.8 billion, says
    Bloomberg. Apple also now has four spots in the top five list of the
    biggest daily market cap gains, with Amazon taking the leftover spot.”

    Apple is doomed! DOOMED I say! 🤣


    Market capitalization is a measure of investor greed, not necessarily corporate innovation or practices. Just look at GE or Enron.

    A growing market-cap indicates a financially well-managed company.

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  • From Alan@21:1/5 to badgolferman on Tue Nov 15 08:57:42 2022
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone, comp.sys.mac.advocacy

    On 2022-11-15 07:10, badgolferman wrote:
    Bob Campbell wrote:


    https://www.imore.com/apple/apples-market-value-jumps-by-a-record-breaking-dollar191-billion-in-one-day

    “Apple's market cap jumped by a whopping $190.9 billion on Thursday,
    making it the biggest single-day jump from a US-listed company.
    Apple's surge beat the previously held record by Amazon from February
    2022, when the company's valuation had jumped by $190.8 billion, says
    Bloomberg. Apple also now has four spots in the top five list of the
    biggest daily market cap gains, with Amazon taking the leftover spot.”

    Apple is doomed! DOOMED I say! 🤣


    Market capitalization is a measure of investor greed, not necessarily corporate innovation or practices. Just look at GE or Enron.

    And yet, you trolls used Apple's market cap, revenues, profits, etc. as
    "proof" of Apple's failures when they were poor...

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  • From Bob Campbell@21:1/5 to badgolferman on Tue Nov 15 16:21:36 2022
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone, comp.sys.mac.advocacy

    badgolferman <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> wrote:
    Bob Campbell wrote:


    https://www.imore.com/apple/apples-market-value-jumps-by-a-record-breaking-dollar191-billion-in-one-day

    “Apple's market cap jumped by a whopping $190.9 billion on Thursday,
    making it the biggest single-day jump from a US-listed company.
    Apple's surge beat the previously held record by Amazon from February
    2022, when the company's valuation had jumped by $190.8 billion, says
    Bloomberg. Apple also now has four spots in the top five list of the
    biggest daily market cap gains, with Amazon taking the leftover spot.”

    Apple is doomed! DOOMED I say! 🤣


    Market capitalization is a measure of investor greed, not necessarily corporate innovation or practices. Just look at GE or Enron.

    Yes, of course. DO try to spin this as “bad news”. 🙄

    But if it truly WAS bad news, then the Bad News Trolls would have posted
    it.

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  • From Andy Burnelli@21:1/5 to sms on Tue Nov 15 17:08:37 2022
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone, comp.sys.mac.advocacy

    sms wrote:

    On 11/15/2022 7:10 AM, badgolferman wrote:
    Bob Campbell wrote:
    "Apple's market cap jumped by a whopping $190.9 billion on Thursday
    Market capitalization is a measure of investor greed, not necessarily
    corporate innovation or practices. Just look at GE or Enron.

    A growing market-cap indicates a financially well-managed company.

    While there's nothing wrong with Apple having a high market capitalization, what's rather peculiar is the iKooks always gloat that "their choice" is
    Apple and that "their choice" makes those ungodly profits off the iKooks.

    Bearing in mind sheep led to slaughter, you can't make those ungodly profit margins on the iPhone and Apple advertising revenue off intelligent people.

    When you _study_ why iKooks gloat over Apple's profit margins, you realize
    that the iKooks are using Apple's success as their confirmation bias datum.
    --
    Posted out of the goodness of my heart to disseminate useful information
    which, in this case, is to outline why iKooks love being gouged by Apple.

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  • From Alan@21:1/5 to Andy Burnelli on Tue Nov 15 09:43:36 2022
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone, comp.sys.mac.advocacy

    On 2022-11-15 09:08, Andy Burnelli wrote:
    sms wrote:

    On 11/15/2022 7:10 AM, badgolferman wrote:
    Bob Campbell wrote:
    "Apple's market cap jumped by a whopping $190.9 billion on Thursday
    Market capitalization is a measure of investor greed, not necessarily
    corporate innovation or practices.  Just look at GE or Enron.

    A growing market-cap indicates a financially well-managed company.

    While there's nothing wrong with Apple having a high market capitalization, what's rather peculiar is the iKooks always gloat that "their choice" is Apple and that "their choice" makes those ungodly profits off the iKooks.

    Bearing in mind sheep led to slaughter, you can't make those ungodly profit margins on the iPhone and Apple advertising revenue off intelligent people.

    When you _study_ why iKooks gloat over Apple's profit margins, you realize that the iKooks are using Apple's success as their confirmation bias datum. --
    Posted out of the goodness of my heart to disseminate useful information which, in this case, is to outline why iKooks love being gouged by Apple.

    You deserve to be bitch-slapped more than almost anyone I've ever read
    on Usenet, you pompous asshole.

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  • From Rod Speed@21:1/5 to badgolferman on Wed Nov 16 06:43:42 2022
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone, comp.sys.mac.advocacy

    badgolferman <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> wrote
    Bob Campbell wrote

    https://www.imore.com/apple/apples-market-value-jumps-by-a-record-breaking-dollar191-billion-in-one-day

    “Apple's market cap jumped by a whopping $190.9 billion on Thursday,
    making it the biggest single-day jump from a US-listed company.
    Apple's surge beat the previously held record by Amazon from February
    2022, when the company's valuation had jumped by $190.8 billion, says
    Bloomberg. Apple also now has four spots in the top five list of the
    biggest daily market cap gains, with Amazon taking the leftover spot.”

    Apple is doomed! DOOMED I say! 🤣

    Market capitalization is a measure of investor greed,

    Bullshit.

    not necessarily corporate innovation or practices. Just look at GE or
    Enron.

    Just look at Apple, Amazon etc.

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  • From Alan@21:1/5 to Chris on Tue Nov 15 12:09:59 2022
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone, comp.sys.mac.advocacy

    On 2022-11-15 12:09, Chris wrote:
    badgolferman <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> wrote:
    Bob Campbell wrote:


    https://www.imore.com/apple/apples-market-value-jumps-by-a-record-breaking-dollar191-billion-in-one-day

    “Apple's market cap jumped by a whopping $190.9 billion on Thursday,
    making it the biggest single-day jump from a US-listed company.
    Apple's surge beat the previously held record by Amazon from February
    2022, when the company's valuation had jumped by $190.8 billion, says
    Bloomberg. Apple also now has four spots in the top five list of the
    biggest daily market cap gains, with Amazon taking the leftover spot.” >>>
    Apple is doomed! DOOMED I say! 🤣


    Market capitalization is a measure of investor greed, not necessarily
    corporate innovation or practices.

    AKA investor confidence. Given that many other bigtech are making massive layoffs investors are looking towards stable companies which make real
    money. Apple is one such company.

    Making real products which many, many people value highly.

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  • From Chris@21:1/5 to badgolferman on Tue Nov 15 20:09:21 2022
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone, comp.sys.mac.advocacy

    badgolferman <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> wrote:
    Bob Campbell wrote:


    https://www.imore.com/apple/apples-market-value-jumps-by-a-record-breaking-dollar191-billion-in-one-day

    “Apple's market cap jumped by a whopping $190.9 billion on Thursday,
    making it the biggest single-day jump from a US-listed company.
    Apple's surge beat the previously held record by Amazon from February
    2022, when the company's valuation had jumped by $190.8 billion, says
    Bloomberg. Apple also now has four spots in the top five list of the
    biggest daily market cap gains, with Amazon taking the leftover spot.”

    Apple is doomed! DOOMED I say! 🤣


    Market capitalization is a measure of investor greed, not necessarily corporate innovation or practices.

    AKA investor confidence. Given that many other bigtech are making massive layoffs investors are looking towards stable companies which make real
    money. Apple is one such company.

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  • From farter@21:1/5 to sms on Wed Nov 16 06:46:06 2022
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone, comp.sys.mac.advocacy

    On Wed, 16 Nov 2022 03:08:22 +1100, sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:

    On 11/15/2022 7:10 AM, badgolferman wrote:
    Bob Campbell wrote:


    https://www.imore.com/apple/apples-market-value-jumps-by-a-record-breaking-dollar191-billion-in-one-day

    “Apple's market cap jumped by a whopping $190.9 billion on Thursday,
    making it the biggest single-day jump from a US-listed company.
    Apple's surge beat the previously held record by Amazon from February
    2022, when the company's valuation had jumped by $190.8 billion, says
    Bloomberg. Apple also now has four spots in the top five list of the
    biggest daily market cap gains, with Amazon taking the leftover spot.” >>>
    Apple is doomed! DOOMED I say! 🤣
    Market capitalization is a measure of investor greed, not necessarily
    corporate innovation or practices. Just look at GE or Enron.

    A growing market-cap indicates a financially well-managed company.

    Not necessarily, most obviously with Enron.

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  • From Andy Burnelli@21:1/5 to farter on Wed Nov 16 00:16:31 2022
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone, comp.sys.mac.advocacy

    farter wrote:

    A growing market-cap indicates a financially well-managed company.

    Not necessarily, most obviously with Enron.

    Market cap is a function of what investors _believe_ about Apple.

    If investors believe Apple customers are beguiled ignorant uneducated unquestioning sheep led to slaughter, then the market cap will be higher
    than if investors believe Apple customers own a modicum of intelligence.

    The higher the profit margins, the more ignorant the customer base when the product being sold is a mere commodity (which a smartphone clearly is).

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  • From sobriquet@21:1/5 to Alan on Tue Nov 15 16:33:27 2022
    On Tuesday, November 15, 2022 at 9:10:00 PM UTC+1, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-11-15 12:09, Chris wrote:
    badgolferman <REMOVETHISb...@gmail.com> wrote:
    Bob Campbell wrote:


    https://www.imore.com/apple/apples-market-value-jumps-by-a-record-breaking-dollar191-billion-in-one-day

    “Apple's market cap jumped by a whopping $190.9 billion on Thursday, >>> making it the biggest single-day jump from a US-listed company.
    Apple's surge beat the previously held record by Amazon from February >>> 2022, when the company's valuation had jumped by $190.8 billion, says >>> Bloomberg. Apple also now has four spots in the top five list of the
    biggest daily market cap gains, with Amazon taking the leftover spot.” >>>
    Apple is doomed! DOOMED I say! 🤣


    Market capitalization is a measure of investor greed, not necessarily
    corporate innovation or practices.

    AKA investor confidence. Given that many other bigtech are making massive layoffs investors are looking towards stable companies which make real money. Apple is one such company.
    Making real products which many, many people value highly.

    Actually they are ripping off clueless people with garbage.
    Since there is an unlimited supply of clueless people, they are highly successful.
    It's a bit doubtful whether producing a lot of garbage should be qualified as 'success'.

    https://i.imgur.com/dTBryky.jpeg

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  • From Alan@21:1/5 to Andy Burnelli on Tue Nov 15 16:48:14 2022
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone, comp.sys.mac.advocacy

    On 2022-11-15 16:16, Andy Burnelli wrote:
    farter wrote:

    A growing market-cap indicates a financially well-managed company.

    Not necessarily, most obviously with Enron.

    Market cap is a function of what investors _believe_ about Apple.

    If investors believe Apple customers are beguiled ignorant uneducated unquestioning sheep led to slaughter, then the market cap will be higher
    than if investors believe Apple customers own a modicum of intelligence.

    The higher the profit margins, the more ignorant the customer base when the product being sold is a mere commodity (which a smartphone clearly is).

    Because you saying "clearly" decides it.

    You know what: there are lots and lots of people smarter than you are
    who choose to use Apple's devices.

    Deal with it.

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  • From Andy Burnelli@21:1/5 to Chris on Wed Nov 16 01:25:04 2022
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone, comp.sys.mac.advocacy

    Chris wrote:

    Market capitalization is a measure of investor greed, not necessarily
    corporate innovation or practices.

    AKA investor confidence. Given that many other bigtech are making massive layoffs investors are looking towards stable companies which make real
    money. Apple is one such company.

    Market cap isn't "only" investor confidence though, as nobody would have a market cap less than the value of assets they own in typical circumstances.

    Given Apple's ungodly profit margins coupled with extremely high
    advertising and the absolute lowest R&D in the entire industry...

    And given the fact Apple pays _billions_ every single year in penalties for public lies (e.g., throttling where Apple admitted _criminal guilt_)...

    *It's clear what Apple is to those who own a modicum of intelligence.*

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  • From Alan@21:1/5 to Andy Burnelli on Tue Nov 15 17:39:59 2022
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone, comp.sys.mac.advocacy

    On 2022-11-15 17:25, Andy Burnelli wrote:
    Chris wrote:

    Market capitalization is a measure of investor greed, not necessarily
    corporate innovation or practices.

    AKA investor confidence. Given that many other bigtech are making massive
    layoffs investors are looking towards stable companies which make real
    money.  Apple is one such company.

    Market cap isn't "only" investor confidence though, as nobody would have a market cap less than the value of assets they own in typical circumstances.

    Given Apple's ungodly profit margins coupled with extremely high
    advertising and the absolute lowest R&D in the entire industry...

    Why must you lie...

    And given the fact Apple pays _billions_ every single year in penalties for public lies (e.g., throttling where Apple admitted _criminal guilt_)...

    ...and lie, and lie again?

    *It's clear what Apple is to those who own a modicum of intelligence.*

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  • From Alan@21:1/5 to Andy Burnelli on Tue Nov 15 17:41:08 2022
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone, comp.sys.mac.advocacy

    On 2022-11-15 17:25, Andy Burnelli wrote:
    Chris wrote:

    Market capitalization is a measure of investor greed, not necessarily
    corporate innovation or practices.

    AKA investor confidence. Given that many other bigtech are making massive
    layoffs investors are looking towards stable companies which make real
    money.  Apple is one such company.

    Market cap isn't "only" investor confidence though, as nobody would have a market cap less than the value of assets they own in typical circumstances.

    Given Apple's ungodly profit margins coupled with extremely high
    advertising and the absolute lowest R&D in the entire industry...
    And given the fact Apple pays _billions_ every single year in penalties for public lies (e.g., throttling where Apple admitted _criminal guilt_)...
    *It's clear what Apple is to those who own a modicum of intelligence.*

    Isn't it interesting that you'll declare Apple's R&D the lowest, because
    of the percentage of its revenues...

    ...but not apply the same kind of calculation to any fines Apple pays?

    :-)

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  • From Bob Campbell@21:1/5 to Alan on Wed Nov 16 04:19:05 2022
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone, comp.sys.mac.advocacy

    Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:

    Isn't it interesting that you'll declare Apple's R&D the lowest, because
    of the percentage of its revenues...

    ...but not apply the same kind of calculation to any fines Apple pays?

    :-)

    Of course. Because troll boys gotta troll.

    The facts remain. Apple is selling loads of high-quality products that
    people actually line up to buy. Thus, they make huge profits. Thus,
    investor confidence has never been higher. Thus, Apple is the
    highest-valued company in the history of Wall Street.

    Thus, the Apple Troll Boy Brigade hates life.

    For the normal people, life is good.

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  • From =?UTF-8?Q?Peter_K=c3=b6hlmann?=@21:1/5 to All on Wed Nov 16 09:49:06 2022
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone, comp.sys.mac.advocacy

    Am 16.11.22 um 01:48 schrieb Alan:
    On 2022-11-15 16:16, Andy Burnelli wrote:
    farter wrote:

    A growing market-cap indicates a financially well-managed company.

    Not necessarily, most obviously with Enron.

    Market cap is a function of what investors _believe_ about Apple.

    If investors believe Apple customers are beguiled ignorant uneducated
    unquestioning sheep led to slaughter, then the market cap will be higher
    than if investors believe Apple customers own a modicum of intelligence.

    The higher the profit margins, the more ignorant the customer base
    when the
    product being sold is a mere commodity (which a smartphone clearly is).

    Because you saying "clearly" decides it.

    You know what: there are lots and lots of people smarter than you are
    who choose to use Apple's devices.

    And the truth is also: there are lots and lots of people much dumber
    than bread who choose to use Apple's devices.

    Deal with it.

    Right. Intelligence (or any other non-hard fact) is simply no way to
    chose apple or non-apple

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  • From Alan@21:1/5 to All on Wed Nov 16 00:59:22 2022
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone, comp.sys.mac.advocacy

    On 2022-11-16 00:49, Peter Köhlmann wrote:
    Am 16.11.22 um 01:48 schrieb Alan:
    On 2022-11-15 16:16, Andy Burnelli wrote:
    farter wrote:

    A growing market-cap indicates a financially well-managed company.

    Not necessarily, most obviously with Enron.

    Market cap is a function of what investors _believe_ about Apple.

    If investors believe Apple customers are beguiled ignorant uneducated
    unquestioning sheep led to slaughter, then the market cap will be higher >>> than if investors believe Apple customers own a modicum of intelligence. >>>
    The higher the profit margins, the more ignorant the customer base
    when the
    product being sold is a mere commodity (which a smartphone clearly is).

    Because you saying "clearly" decides it.

    You know what: there are lots and lots of people smarter than you are
    who choose to use Apple's devices.

    And the truth is also: there are lots and lots of people much dumber
    than bread who choose to use Apple's devices.

    Deal with it.

    Right. Intelligence (or any other non-hard fact) is simply no way to
    chose apple or non-apple

    Ah, but it isn't my argument that only dumb people buy Apple.

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  • From sms@21:1/5 to Chris on Wed Nov 16 06:45:21 2022
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone, comp.sys.mac.advocacy

    On 11/15/2022 12:09 PM, Chris wrote:

    <snip>

    AKA investor confidence. Given that many other bigtech are making massive layoffs investors are looking towards stable companies which make real
    money. Apple is one such company.

    What really indicates investor confidence is not the market
    capitalization but the P/E ratio.

    A high-growth company will have a P/E ratio >50. A stable company with
    growth potential will typically have a P/E ratio of 20-25.

    A high P/E can also indicate that a stock is over-valued.

    I'd be very wary of Tesla stock right now. The CEO is unstable, the
    barriers to entry of new competitors is low, and there is about to be
    massive competition from established automakers with much greater
    manufacturing and distribution capacity.

    Apple is structured to be pretty insulated from competition, is better
    able to thrive in tough economic times, and has excellent management.
    Ditto for Microsoft.

    Amazon: 88.79
    Tesla: 60.07
    Walmart: 46.27
    Costco: 40.11
    Microsoft: 26.07
    Apple: 24.56
    Alphabet: 19.60
    Roche: 17.71
    Meta: 11.16
    Intel: 9.449
    IBM: 2.164

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  • From Joerg Lorenz@21:1/5 to All on Wed Nov 16 16:07:22 2022
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone, comp.sys.mac.advocacy

    Am 15.11.22 um 17:08 schrieb sms:
    On 11/15/2022 7:10 AM, badgolferman wrote:
    Bob Campbell wrote:


    https://www.imore.com/apple/apples-market-value-jumps-by-a-record-breaking-dollar191-billion-in-one-day

    “Apple's market cap jumped by a whopping $190.9 billion on Thursday,
    making it the biggest single-day jump from a US-listed company.
    Apple's surge beat the previously held record by Amazon from February
    2022, when the company's valuation had jumped by $190.8 billion, says
    Bloomberg. Apple also now has four spots in the top five list of the
    biggest daily market cap gains, with Amazon taking the leftover spot.” >>>
    Apple is doomed! DOOMED I say! 🤣


    Market capitalization is a measure of investor greed, not necessarily
    corporate innovation or practices. Just look at GE or Enron.

    A growing market-cap indicates a financially well-managed company.

    False. It indicates only *the opinion of the market* about the
    management of the company.

    --
    Gutta cavat lapidem (Ovid)

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  • From RJH@21:1/5 to peter-koehlmann@t-online.de on Wed Nov 16 15:14:02 2022
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone, comp.sys.mac.advocacy

    On 16 Nov 2022 at 8:49:06 AM, <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> wrote:

    And the truth is also: there are lots and lots of people much dumber
    than bread who choose to use Apple's devices.

    Aren't iOS devices marketed exclusively to people who don't know much and
    who then want Apple to make all their decisions for them to protect them?
    --
    Cheers, Rob

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  • From nospam@21:1/5 to All on Wed Nov 16 10:25:10 2022
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone, comp.sys.mac.advocacy

    In article <tl2unf$ou2$1@gioia.aioe.org>, RJH <patchmoney@gmx.com>
    wrote:

    Aren't iOS devices marketed exclusively to people who don't know much and
    who then want Apple to make all their decisions for them to protect them?

    nope. not even close to correct. you're trolling again.

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  • From RonTheGuy@21:1/5 to Bob Campbell on Wed Nov 16 07:27:22 2022
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone, comp.sys.mac.advocacy

    On Nov 15, 2022, Bob Campbell wrote
    (in article<news:uGWdnUv2Zd4k-en-nZ2dnZfqnPadnZ2d@supernews.com>):

    The facts remain. Apple is selling loads of high-quality products that people actually line up to buy. Thus, they make huge profits.

    There are many pyramid schemes making billions off innocent victims.

    Thus, investor confidence has never been higher.

    Even the SEC had decades of high investor confidence in Bernie Madoff.

    Thus, Apple is the
    highest-valued company in the history of Wall Street.

    So was Enron.

    Ron, the humblest guy in town.

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  • From RonTheGuy@21:1/5 to nospam on Wed Nov 16 07:30:39 2022
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone, comp.sys.mac.advocacy

    On Nov 16, 2022, nospam wrote
    (in article<news:161120221025096842%nospam@nospam.invalid>):

    Apple is structured to be pretty insulated from competition,

    apple has intense competition, including from windows, android,
    smartwatches, video streaming and various other segments.

    https://www.cbsnews.com/news/apple-ceo-tim-cook-being-very-deliberate-on-hiring-economic-uncertainty/

    Apple, the world's most valuable company, has slowed some hiring, according
    to CEO Tim Cook, amid a wave of layoffs in Silicon Valley and an
    unpredictable economic future.


    Ron, the humblest guy in town.

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  • From nospam@21:1/5 to ron@null.invalid on Wed Nov 16 10:34:40 2022
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone, comp.sys.mac.advocacy

    In article <1xwz3cg3e9ykp.dlg@news.solani.org>, RonTheGuy
    <ron@null.invalid> wrote:


    The facts remain. Apple is selling loads of high-quality products that people actually line up to buy. Thus, they make huge profits.

    There are many pyramid schemes making billions off innocent victims.

    apple is not in any way a pyramid scheme.

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  • From RJH@21:1/5 to nospam on Wed Nov 16 15:36:52 2022
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone, comp.sys.mac.advocacy

    On 16 Nov 2022 at 7:25:10 AM, nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:

    Aren't iOS devices marketed exclusively to people who don't know much and
    who then want Apple to make all their decisions for them to protect them?

    nope. not even close to correct.

    If you don't know by now iPhones cater to the clueless, then it's you who
    is clueless.

    The iPhone appeals to clueless people who want Apple to make all their decisions for them.

    People buy the iPhone because Apple makes them feel safe when they do.
    --
    Cheers, Rob

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  • From Bob Campbell@21:1/5 to nospam on Wed Nov 16 15:42:03 2022
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone, comp.sys.mac.advocacy

    nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:
    In article <qlfoxvgn1bj1.dlg@news.solani.org>, RonTheGuy
    <ron@null.invalid> wrote:


    Apple is structured to be pretty insulated from competition,

    apple has intense competition, including from windows, android,
    smartwatches, video streaming and various other segments.


    https://www.cbsnews.com/news/apple-ceo-tim-cook-being-very-deliberate-on-hirin
    g-economic-uncertainty/

    Apple, the world's most valuable company, has slowed some hiring, according >> to CEO Tim Cook, amid a wave of layoffs in Silicon Valley and an
    unpredictable economic future.

    that is entirely unrelated to what you quoted above.

    Once again, a link is posted that does not support the claim.

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  • From nospam@21:1/5 to scharf.steven@geemail.com on Wed Nov 16 10:25:09 2022
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone, comp.sys.mac.advocacy

    In article <tl2t22$2c5d9$2@dont-email.me>, sms
    <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:


    Apple is structured to be pretty insulated from competition,

    apple has intense competition, including from windows, android,
    smartwatches, video streaming and various other segments.

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  • From Alan@21:1/5 to RonTheGuy on Wed Nov 16 09:37:10 2022
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone, comp.sys.mac.advocacy

    On 2022-11-16 07:27, RonTheGuy wrote:
    On Nov 15, 2022, Bob Campbell wrote
    (in article<news:uGWdnUv2Zd4k-en-nZ2dnZfqnPadnZ2d@supernews.com>):

    The facts remain. Apple is selling loads of high-quality products that
    people actually line up to buy. Thus, they make huge profits.

    There are many pyramid schemes making billions off innocent victims.

    There might be...

    ...but Apple's products sell well because they clearly work well for its customers.

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  • From Alan@21:1/5 to RJH on Wed Nov 16 09:36:26 2022
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone, comp.sys.mac.advocacy

    On 2022-11-16 07:14, RJH wrote:
    On 16 Nov 2022 at 8:49:06 AM, <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> wrote:

    And the truth is also: there are lots and lots of people much dumber
    than bread who choose to use Apple's devices.

    Aren't iOS devices marketed exclusively to people who don't know much and
    who then want Apple to make all their decisions for them to protect them?

    Ah.

    The "I need to feel superior" argument!

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  • From Alan@21:1/5 to RJH on Wed Nov 16 09:38:26 2022
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone, comp.sys.mac.advocacy

    On 2022-11-16 07:36, RJH wrote:
    On 16 Nov 2022 at 7:25:10 AM, nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:

    Aren't iOS devices marketed exclusively to people who don't know much and >>> who then want Apple to make all their decisions for them to protect them? >>
    nope. not even close to correct.

    If you don't know by now iPhones cater to the clueless, then it's you who
    is clueless.

    The "I need to feel superior" argument!


    The iPhone appeals to clueless people who want Apple to make all their decisions for them.

    People buy the iPhone because Apple makes them feel safe when they do.

    People buy the iPhone because it works well for them.

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  • From Jolly Roger@21:1/5 to Bob Campbell on Wed Nov 16 17:40:07 2022
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone, comp.sys.mac.advocacy

    On 2022-11-16, Bob Campbell <nunya@none.none> wrote:
    nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:
    In article <qlfoxvgn1bj1.dlg@news.solani.org>, RonTheGuy
    <ron@null.invalid> wrote:

    Apple is structured to be pretty insulated from competition,

    apple has intense competition, including from windows, android,
    smartwatches, video streaming and various other segments.

    https://www.cbsnews.com/news/apple-ceo-tim-cook-being-very-deliberate-on-hirin
    g-economic-uncertainty/

    Apple, the world's most valuable company, has slowed some hiring, according >>> to CEO Tim Cook, amid a wave of layoffs in Silicon Valley and an
    unpredictable economic future.

    that is entirely unrelated to what you quoted above.

    Once again, a link is posted that does not support the claim.

    Ah, yes. But it's a link, you see, and any link will do!

    --
    E-mail sent to this address may be devoured by my ravenous SPAM filter.
    I often ignore posts from Google. Use a real news client instead.

    JR

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  • From Jolly Roger@21:1/5 to Alan on Wed Nov 16 17:41:46 2022
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone, comp.sys.mac.advocacy

    On 2022-11-16, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
    On 2022-11-16 07:14, RJH wrote:
    On 16 Nov 2022 at 8:49:06 AM, <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> wrote:

    And the truth is also: there are lots and lots of people much dumber
    than bread who choose to use Apple's devices.

    Aren't iOS devices marketed exclusively to people who don't know much and
    who then want Apple to make all their decisions for them to protect them?

    Ah.

    The "I need to feel superior" argument!

    You should see his old, crufty books!

    --
    E-mail sent to this address may be devoured by my ravenous SPAM filter.
    I often ignore posts from Google. Use a real news client instead.

    JR

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  • From sms@21:1/5 to RonTheGuy on Wed Nov 16 15:04:03 2022
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone, comp.sys.mac.advocacy

    On 11/16/2022 7:30 AM, RonTheGuy wrote:
    On Nov 16, 2022, nospam wrote
    (in article<news:161120221025096842%nospam@nospam.invalid>):

    Apple is structured to be pretty insulated from competition,

    apple has intense competition, including from windows, android,
    smartwatches, video streaming and various other segments.

    https://www.cbsnews.com/news/apple-ceo-tim-cook-being-very-deliberate-on-hiring-economic-uncertainty/

    Apple, the world's most valuable company, has slowed some hiring, according to CEO Tim Cook, amid a wave of layoffs in Silicon Valley and an unpredictable economic future.

    You can see how insulated Apple is from competition by the extremely low migration rate to Android. Android's market share is between 70% and 75%
    while iOS's market share is between 25% and 30%. It varies slightly from quarter to quarter based on when the major players release new models.

    The same applies now to Macs where new application programs are written
    for the M1 so once you buy applications you're not likely to move
    between platforms.

    Recently I was needing an open-source video editor and Kdenlive is
    available for Linux, Windows, and Intel-based Macs, see <https://kdenlive.org/en/download/>. If you have an M1 based Mac then
    you would need to purchase something like Final Cut Pro. Once you
    purchase expensive applications for a Mac you're unlikely to move to a Windows-based platform.

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  • From nospam@21:1/5 to scharf.steven@geemail.com on Wed Nov 16 18:52:02 2022
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone, comp.sys.mac.advocacy

    In article <tl3q94$2esrm$1@dont-email.me>, sms
    <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:


    You can see how insulated Apple is from competition by the extremely low migration rate to Android.

    that's not insulation.

    Android's market share is between 70% and 75%
    while iOS's market share is between 25% and 30%. It varies slightly from quarter to quarter based on when the major players release new models.

    that's substantial competition.

    The same applies now to Macs where new application programs are written
    for the M1 so once you buy applications you're not likely to move
    between platforms.

    new apps are universal and run on both intel macs and apple silicon
    macs (which includes more than just m1).

    intel macs have been around for more than 15 years. it would be
    incredibly foolish to release an app that is exclusively apple silicon
    unless there is a technical reason which prevents it from working at
    all on intel.

    some apps are cross-platform and run on both mac and windows, such as photoshop.

    Recently I was needing an open-source video editor and Kdenlive is
    available for Linux, Windows, and Intel-based Macs, see <https://kdenlive.org/en/download/>. If you have an M1 based Mac then
    you would need to purchase something like Final Cut Pro.

    as usual, wrong.

    <https://kdenlive.org/en/2022/05/kdenlive-22-04-released/>
    Besides the improvements to the Windows and macOS versions,
    Kdenlive is now runs on Apples M1 architecture and includes initial
    support for full range 10-bit color on all platforms...

    a better option is apple's own imovie, which is free and more than
    sufficient for non-pro video work, which would include whatever you're supposedly editing.

    Once you
    purchase expensive applications for a Mac you're unlikely to move to a Windows-based platform.

    that applies to any platform, and doesn't support your claim.

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  • From Bob Campbell@21:1/5 to sms on Thu Nov 17 00:20:50 2022
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone, comp.sys.mac.advocacy

    sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:
    You can see how insulated Apple is from competition by the extremely low migration rate to Android. Android's market share is between 70% and 75% while iOS's market share is between 25% and 30%. It varies slightly from quarter to quarter based on when the major players release new models.

    In the U.S. it is iOS 54%, Android 45%.

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  • From Alan@21:1/5 to sms on Wed Nov 16 17:41:50 2022
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone, comp.sys.mac.advocacy

    On 2022-11-16 15:04, sms wrote:
    On 11/16/2022 7:30 AM, RonTheGuy wrote:
    On Nov 16, 2022, nospam wrote
    (in article<news:161120221025096842%nospam@nospam.invalid>):

    Apple is structured to be pretty insulated from competition,

    apple has intense competition, including from windows, android,
    smartwatches, video streaming and various other segments.

    https://www.cbsnews.com/news/apple-ceo-tim-cook-being-very-deliberate-on-hiring-economic-uncertainty/

    Apple, the world's most valuable company, has slowed some hiring,
    according
    to CEO Tim Cook, amid a wave of layoffs in Silicon Valley and an
    unpredictable economic future.

    You can see how insulated Apple is from competition by the extremely low migration rate to Android. Android's market share is between 70% and 75% while iOS's market share is between 25% and 30%. It varies slightly from quarter to quarter based on when the major players release new models.

    Which indicates extremely high satisfaction with Apple's iOS products.


    The same applies now to Macs where new application programs are written
    for the M1 so once you buy applications you're not likely to move
    between platforms.

    Only assuming that developers can't create versions of the same software
    for M1 Macs and Intel PCs...

    ...which is completely ignorant.


    Recently I was needing an open-source video editor and Kdenlive is
    available for Linux, Windows, and Intel-based Macs, see <https://kdenlive.org/en/download/>. If you have an M1 based Mac then
    you would need to purchase something like Final Cut Pro. Once you
    purchase expensive applications for a Mac you're unlikely to move to a Windows-based platform.

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  • From sms@21:1/5 to Bob Campbell on Wed Nov 16 17:21:15 2022
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone, comp.sys.mac.advocacy

    On 11/16/2022 4:20 PM, Bob Campbell wrote:
    sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:
    You can see how insulated Apple is from competition by the extremely low
    migration rate to Android. Android's market share is between 70% and 75%
    while iOS's market share is between 25% and 30%. It varies slightly from
    quarter to quarter based on when the major players release new models.

    In the U.S. it is iOS 54%, Android 45%.

    Thank goodness! Need to get those numbers up in the rest of the world.
    China is the real challenge.

    The iPhone 15, if it has USB-C, is predicted to result in both an
    upgrade super-cycle for existing iPhone owners as well as a small
    increase in Android users moving to iOS.

    There's also a rumor that the Pro Ultra will have a 10x optical
    periscope lens similar to the Galaxy S22 Ultra. Camera capability is a
    big factor in the reluctance of some Android users to move to iPhone.

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  • From nospam@21:1/5 to scharf.steven@geemail.com on Wed Nov 16 21:07:06 2022
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone, comp.sys.mac.advocacy

    In article <tl42ac$2fjul$2@dont-email.me>, sms
    <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:


    You can see how insulated Apple is from competition by the extremely low >> migration rate to Android. Android's market share is between 70% and 75% >> while iOS's market share is between 25% and 30%. It varies slightly from >> quarter to quarter based on when the major players release new models.

    In the U.S. it is iOS 54%, Android 45%.

    Thank goodness! Need to get those numbers up in the rest of the world.

    there is no such need.

    China is the real challenge.

    wrong.

    iphones are already selling quite well in china.

    <https://9to5mac.com/2022/10/27/iphone-shipments-2/>
    A new market intelligence report says that iPhone shipments grew
    36% year-on-year in China in Q3, while all other major brands saw
    theirs fall between 16% and 27%.
    ...
    Apple saw remarkable growth in Mainland China in Q3, said Canalys
    Analyst Amber Liu. Its annual launch is highly anticipated by
    consumers and channels and strong demand for the iPhone 14 Pro
    series contributed to Apples overall performance.

    <https://appleinsider.com/articles/22/08/24/apples-iphone-dominant-in-ch ina-samsung-falls-out-of-second-place>
    New sales date from the second quarter of 2022 shows that Apple's
    iPhone remains the best-selling smartphone in China, and local rival
    Vivo has overtaken Samsung for second place.

    The iPhone is consistently the most popular smartphone in China, with
    half of all smartphones sold during the 6.18 Festival being Apple's.
    Now Counterpoint Research claims that Apple has kept that strong
    lead, but local rivals are making the list of top ten vendors change.

    The iPhone 15, if it has USB-C, is predicted to result in both an
    upgrade super-cycle for existing iPhone owners as well as a small
    increase in Android users moving to iOS.

    usb-c will not cause a 'super-cycle', especially since the iphone 14
    family is already in one.

    There's also a rumor that the Pro Ultra will have a 10x optical
    periscope lens similar to the Galaxy S22 Ultra. Camera capability is a
    big factor in the reluctance of some Android users to move to iPhone.

    there are all sorts of rumours. most turn out to be bogus.

    you're not savvy enough to know which ones have merit and which are
    random ramblings.

    there is also very little reluctance for android users to switch from
    android to iphone. according to apple, the rate of switching continues
    to increase. the reverse, ios->android is far lower.

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  • From Bob Campbell@21:1/5 to sms on Thu Nov 17 02:08:59 2022
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone, comp.sys.mac.advocacy

    sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:
    On 11/16/2022 4:20 PM, Bob Campbell wrote:
    sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:
    You can see how insulated Apple is from competition by the extremely low >>> migration rate to Android. Android's market share is between 70% and 75% >>> while iOS's market share is between 25% and 30%. It varies slightly from >>> quarter to quarter based on when the major players release new models.

    In the U.S. it is iOS 54%, Android 45%.

    Thank goodness! Need to get those numbers up in the rest of the world.
    China is the real challenge.

    The numbers ARE up in the rest of the world. 5 years ago iOS was at 20% globally.

    But I really don’t think Apple cares about that. It would take $150
    iPhones to take over markets like China and India. Apple is not
    interested in competing at the low end. In fact, in Apple’s 45 year
    history, they never have competed at the low end.

    This is why phone app developers make 80% of their money from iOS app
    sales. The vast majority of Android phones in use globally are low end
    models, where users are not interested/can’t afford to buy apps.

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  • From nospam@21:1/5 to Campbell on Wed Nov 16 21:15:58 2022
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone, comp.sys.mac.advocacy

    In article <rAOdnRZzF9EmCuj-nZ2dnZfqn_qdnZ2d@supernews.com>, Bob
    Campbell <nunya@none.none> wrote:


    In the U.S. it is iOS 54%, Android 45%.

    Thank goodness! Need to get those numbers up in the rest of the world. China is the real challenge.

    The numbers ARE up in the rest of the world. 5 years ago iOS was at 20% globally.

    But I really dont think Apple cares about that.

    they don't.

    only those who don't understand the industry think it matters.

    It would take $150
    iPhones to take over markets like China and India.

    apparently not:

    <https://appleinsider.com/articles/22/08/24/apples-iphone-dominant-in-ch ina-samsung-falls-out-of-second-place>
    The iPhone is consistently the most popular smartphone in China,
    with half of all smartphones sold during the 6.18 Festival being
    Apple's.

    Apple is not
    interested in competing at the low end. In fact, in Apples 45 year
    history, they never have competed at the low end.

    This is why phone app developers make 80% of their money from iOS app
    sales. The vast majority of Android phones in use globally are low end models, where users are not interested/cant afford to buy apps.

    yep.

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  • From Bob Campbell@21:1/5 to nospam on Thu Nov 17 04:10:55 2022
    XPost: comp.sys.mac.advocacy, misc.phone.mobile.iphone

    nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:
    In article <rAOdnRZzF9EmCuj-nZ2dnZfqn_qdnZ2d@supernews.com>, Bob
    Campbell <nunya@none.none> wrote:

    It would take $150
    iPhones to take over markets like China and India.

    apparently not:

    <https://appleinsider.com/articles/22/08/24/apples-iphone-dominant-in-ch ina-samsung-falls-out-of-second-place>
    The iPhone is consistently the most popular smartphone in China,
    with half of all smartphones sold during the 6.18 Festival being
    Apple's.

    Wow, that’s amazing.

    I guess my knowledge of China is outdated. So the global iPhone numbers
    will continue to rise.

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  • From Andy Burnelli@21:1/5 to nospam on Thu Nov 17 05:00:06 2022
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone, comp.sys.mac.advocacy

    nospam wrote:

    there is also very little reluctance for android users to switch from
    android to iphone. according to apple, the rate of switching continues
    to increase. the reverse, ios->android is far lower.

    Most people don't need functionality so the crippled iPhone works fine.

    However, if you removed the obvious fact Apple doesn't design an iPhone so
    much as market it (rather successfully so), I can't imagine why anyone
    would want iOS over Android.

    Yet some do.
    In fact, roughly about half the people in the USA do.

    That's amazing.
    But nobody ever said these people aren't stupid.

    They are.
    Incredibly stupid they are.

    And that's why the iPhone does so well after all.
    To most people, it doesn't matter that the iPhone is brain dead.

    The almost complete lack of app store functionality doesn't matter to them.
    All they want to do is play games and text each other.

    And we already know the iPhone does texting better than does Android.
    (At least if we believe what Google & Facebook are complaining about.)

    For most people, all they need a phone to do is play games & send text messages, which an iPhone does perfectly well for the most part.

    If people cared about functionality though, Apple would go out of business.

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  • From Andy Burnelli@21:1/5 to Bob Campbell on Thu Nov 17 05:04:02 2022
    XPost: comp.sys.mac.advocacy, misc.phone.mobile.iphone

    Bob Campbell wrote:

    The global iPhone numbers will continue to rise.

    Most people just want to text and play games on their phones.
    If people cared about functionality, Apple would go out of business.

    But most people are stupid so the iPhone sells rather well to them.
    The iPhone is not designed so much as it's marketed to stupid people.

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  • From Bob Campbell@21:1/5 to Andy Burnelli on Thu Nov 17 05:20:39 2022
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone, comp.sys.mac.advocacy

    Andy Burnelli <spam@nospam.com> wrote:
    Bob Campbell wrote:

    The global iPhone numbers will continue to rise.

    Most people just want to text and play games on their phones.
    If people cared about functionality, Apple would go out of business.

    But most people are stupid so the iPhone sells rather well to them.
    The iPhone is not designed so much as it's marketed to stupid people.

    And yet, you claim to have multiple iOS devices. 🙄

    Why don’t you post yet ANOTHER link to an opinion piece that does not
    support YOUR opinion?

    Seriously, you are the most pathetic troll in the history of usenet. And
    as you can imagine, that’s up against some pretty stiff competition.

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  • From sms@21:1/5 to Bob Campbell on Thu Nov 17 08:41:12 2022
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone, comp.sys.mac.advocacy

    On 11/16/2022 6:08 PM, Bob Campbell wrote:

    <snip>

    But I really don’t think Apple cares about that. It would take $150 iPhones to take over markets like China and India. Apple is not
    interested in competing at the low end. In fact, in Apple’s 45 year history, they never have competed at the low end.

    They are already manufacturing iPhones in India and their "low end" is
    older models still in production.

    China has a huge middle class and upper class that can easily afford an
    iPhone, The iPhone in China is seen as a status symbol, like an Hermes
    scarf or a Louis Vuitton handbag.

    The early problems for the iPhone in China were a) the lack of dual-SIM
    models (which Apple addressed several years ago, for China only), and
    the lack of large screen "phablet" models, which has also been addressed.

    The other issue for the iPhone in China is the availability of
    applications. There are probably a hundred sources of Android
    applications (but NOT the Google Play Store) with Chinese language apps
    not available for iOS. Some are sketchy apps so you have to be careful.

    One driver of iPhone sales in the U.S. is iMessage, but in China
    everyone uses WeChat and in India everyone uses WhatsApp, so the
    iMessage capability is of no concern.

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  • From nospam@21:1/5 to scharf.steven@geemail.com on Thu Nov 17 11:48:08 2022
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone, comp.sys.mac.advocacy

    In article <tl5nel$2m7u5$1@dont-email.me>, sms
    <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:


    <snip>

    ...which is completely ignorant.

    Not at all ignorant, especially when it comes to open-source software as
    well as software written for x86.

    open source software by definition can be built for non-x86, although
    that may require some effort for uncommon platforms.

    Also, remember that an Intel/Mac user
    can dual boot Windows, or run Parallels, and take advantage of a lot of applications for which there has never been an OS-X version of any kind.

    rubbish. very few majors have windows-only software. nearly everything
    exists for both platforms, some of which is *only* mac.

    further, dual-booting is not necessary. windows can run in a virtual
    machine on both intel and apple silicon, although the latter is
    officially unsupported until microsoft changes its licensing terms.

    A lot of college students can't use M1 based Macbooks because the applications needed in their major are simply not available in OS-X for
    the M1.

    more rubbish.

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  • From sms@21:1/5 to Alan on Thu Nov 17 08:28:05 2022
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone, comp.sys.mac.advocacy

    On 11/16/2022 5:41 PM, Alan wrote:

    <snip>

    ...which is completely ignorant.

    Not at all ignorant, especially when it comes to open-source software as
    well as software written for x86. Also, remember that an Intel/Mac user
    can dual boot Windows, or run Parallels, and take advantage of a lot of applications for which there has never been an OS-X version of any kind.

    A lot of college students can't use M1 based Macbooks because the
    applications needed in their major are simply not available in OS-X for
    the M1. My son was in college just prior to the M1 Macbooks and he had
    to install Windows on his Macbook (which the university provided to
    students at no cost to students under a license agreement with
    Microsoft). Fortunately, there are now a lot of non-clunky Windows
    laptops available, which did not used to be the case.

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  • From sms@21:1/5 to Bob Campbell on Thu Nov 17 08:45:52 2022
    XPost: comp.sys.mac.advocacy, misc.phone.mobile.iphone

    On 11/16/2022 8:10 PM, Bob Campbell wrote:
    nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:
    In article <rAOdnRZzF9EmCuj-nZ2dnZfqn_qdnZ2d@supernews.com>, Bob
    Campbell <nunya@none.none> wrote:

    It would take $150
    iPhones to take over markets like China and India.

    apparently not:

    <https://appleinsider.com/articles/22/08/24/apples-iphone-dominant-in-ch
    ina-samsung-falls-out-of-second-place>
    The iPhone is consistently the most popular smartphone in China,
    with half of all smartphones sold during the 6.18 Festival being
    Apple's.

    Wow, that’s amazing.

    I guess my knowledge of China is outdated. So the global iPhone numbers
    will continue to rise.

    It would be even more amazing if it were true! But of course it's not.

    You can see the actual statistics here: <https://www.counterpointresearch.com/china-smartphone-share/>

    For the last reported quarter (Q2 2022) Apple was at 13%. In Q4 2021
    they reached a high of 22%. They'll probably do well in Q4 2022 as well.

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  • From nospam@21:1/5 to scharf.steven@geemail.com on Thu Nov 17 11:54:31 2022
    XPost: comp.sys.mac.advocacy, misc.phone.mobile.iphone

    In article <tl5og0$2m7u5$3@dont-email.me>, sms
    <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:

    It would take $150
    iPhones to take over markets like China and India.

    apparently not:

    <https://appleinsider.com/articles/22/08/24/apples-iphone-dominant-in-ch >> ina-samsung-falls-out-of-second-place>
    The iPhone is consistently the most popular smartphone in China,
    with half of all smartphones sold during the 6.18 Festival being
    Apple's.

    Wow, thats amazing.

    I guess my knowledge of China is outdated. So the global iPhone numbers will continue to rise.

    It would be even more amazing if it were true! But of course it's not.

    it is true.

    here's more: <https://www.counterpointresearch.com/premium-smartphone-shipments-grow- 29-yoy-in-q3-2022-in-key-sea-markets/>
    Apples iPhone shipments grew 63% YoY in Q3 2022.
    ...
    There were some brand-level hits and misses too in Q3 2022. While
    Samsung shipments fell 13% YoY, Apples shipments were up 63% YoY
    across all the key countries. Vietnam seemed to be grabbing iPhones
    at a faster rate than its neighbours.

    iphone growing by 63% while samsung dropped and the market itself
    contracted is quite a feat.

    You can see the actual statistics here: <https://www.counterpointresearch.com/china-smartphone-share/>

    how to lie with numbers. that doesn't say what you think it does.

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  • From nospam@21:1/5 to spam@nospam.com on Thu Nov 17 13:13:58 2022
    XPost: comp.sys.mac.advocacy, misc.phone.mobile.iphone

    In article <tl5rsq$t1a$1@gioia.aioe.org>, Andy Burnelli
    <spam@nospam.com> wrote:


    If people cared about functionality, Apple would go out of business.

    you didn't hear the news?

    The iPhone is not designed so much as it's marketed to stupid people.

    you said you bought several...

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  • From Andy Burnelli@21:1/5 to nospam on Thu Nov 17 17:44:06 2022
    XPost: comp.sys.mac.advocacy, misc.phone.mobile.iphone

    nospam wrote:

    iphone growing by 63% while samsung dropped and the market itself
    contracted is quite a feat.

    If people cared about functionality, Apple would go out of business.
    The iPhone is not designed so much as it's marketed to stupid people.

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  • From Bill W@21:1/5 to sms on Thu Nov 17 17:46:11 2022
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone, comp.sys.mac.advocacy

    On Nov 17, 2022, sms wrote (in article
    <news:tl5o78$2m7u5$2@dont-email.me>):

    There are probably a hundred sources of Android
    applications (but NOT the Google Play Store)

    Why can't chinese people use the google play store in china?
    And aren't all the google play store apps on the internet anyway?

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  • From sms@21:1/5 to Bill W on Thu Nov 17 10:00:00 2022
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone, comp.sys.mac.advocacy

    On 11/17/2022 9:46 AM, Bill W wrote:
    On Nov 17, 2022, sms wrote (in article
    <news:tl5o78$2m7u5$2@dont-email.me>):

    There are probably a hundred sources of Android
    applications (but NOT the Google Play Store)

    Why can't chinese people use the google play store in china?
    And aren't all the google play store apps on the internet anyway?

    The Play Store, as well as Gmail, are blocked in China. It's possible to
    get around "The Great Firewall" (GFW) by the use of a VPN. See <https://www.vpndada.com/access-google-play-store-china/>.

    The last two times I was in China I used a Hong Kong China Unicom
    data-only SIM card which bypassed the GFW, but that was back in 2018 and
    2019, by now this may no longer work. I also had a VPN that seemed to
    work when using the hotel's Wi-Fi, but some hotels let foreign guests
    access sites that are normally blocked.

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  • From Alan@21:1/5 to sms on Thu Nov 17 10:54:27 2022
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone, comp.sys.mac.advocacy

    On 2022-11-17 08:28, sms wrote:
    On 11/16/2022 5:41 PM, Alan wrote:

    <snip>

    ...which is completely ignorant.

    Not at all ignorant...

    Sorry, but that's just contradiction.

    What?

    I snipped out the substance of what you said?

    Gee. Doing that would pretty much be a dick move, wouldn't it?

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  • From Bob Campbell@21:1/5 to Andy Burnelli on Thu Nov 17 19:24:53 2022
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone, comp.sys.mac.advocacy

    Andy Burnelli <spam@nospam.com> wrote:
    nospam wrote:

    iphone growing by 63% while samsung dropped and the market itself
    contracted is quite a feat.

    If people cared about functionality, Apple would go out of business.
    The iPhone is not designed so much as it's marketed to stupid people.

    Repeating your opinion does not make it true. 🙄

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  • From Alan@21:1/5 to Bob Campbell on Thu Nov 17 11:33:31 2022
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone, comp.sys.mac.advocacy

    On 2022-11-17 11:24, Bob Campbell wrote:
    Andy Burnelli <spam@nospam.com> wrote:
    nospam wrote:

    iphone growing by 63% while samsung dropped and the market itself
    contracted is quite a feat.

    If people cared about functionality, Apple would go out of business.
    The iPhone is not designed so much as it's marketed to stupid people.

    Repeating your opinion does not make it true. 🙄

    I'm guessing all these folks must be "stupid":

    <https://www.google.com/search?q=jet+propulsion+lab+apple+computers&client=safari&rls=en&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjTt6Oe-rX7AhV0BDQIHVU5DS8Q_AUoAnoECAEQBA&biw=1558&bih=945&dpr=2>

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  • From Bill W@21:1/5 to sms on Fri Nov 18 01:31:11 2022
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone, comp.sys.mac.advocacy

    On Nov 17, 2022, sms wrote (in article
    <news:tl5sr1$2mlcr$1@dont-email.me>):

    There are probably a hundred sources of Android
    applications (but NOT the Google Play Store)

    Why can't chinese people use the google play store in china?
    And aren't all the google play store apps on the internet anyway?

    The Play Store, as well as Gmail, are blocked in China. It's possible to
    get around "The Great Firewall" (GFW) by the use of a VPN. See <https://www.vpndada.com/access-google-play-store-china/>.

    The last two times I was in China I used a Hong Kong China Unicom
    data-only SIM card which bypassed the GFW, but that was back in 2018 and 2019, by now this may no longer work. I also had a VPN that seemed to
    work when using the hotel's Wi-Fi, but some hotels let foreign guests
    access sites that are normally blocked.

    Thank you for that article which was mostly about using a vpn but it did
    say that google refused to self censor so that's why china blocked them.


    If china blocked google because google wouldn't self censoring search
    output as the article said, why is apple's play store available in china?


    The article doesn't say what apple agreed to do that google wouldn't do.

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  • From sms@21:1/5 to Bill W on Fri Nov 18 07:41:02 2022
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone, comp.sys.mac.advocacy

    On 11/17/2022 5:31 PM, Bill W wrote:

    <snip>

    If china blocked google because google wouldn't self censoring search
    output as the article said, why is apple's play store available in china?


    The article doesn't say what apple agreed to do that google wouldn't do.

    See <https://www.nytimes.com/2021/05/17/technology/apple-china-censorship-data.html>.
    But it can be behind a paywall depending on your browser and if you've
    exceeded the free article limit.

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  • From Bill W@21:1/5 to sms on Fri Nov 18 16:46:53 2022
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone, comp.sys.mac.advocacy

    On Nov 18, 2022, sms wrote (in article
    <news:tl892f$2vaaq$2@dont-email.me>):

    If china blocked google because google wouldn't self censoring search
    output as the article said, why is apple's play store available in china?

    The article doesn't say what apple agreed to do that google wouldn't do.

    See <https://www.nytimes.com/2021/05/17/technology/apple-china-censorship-data.html>.
    But it can be behind a paywall depending on your browser and if you've exceeded the free article limit.

    I read it and it says Apple "ceded control to the Chinese government" of
    its customer's data. It also says Apple "abandoned encryption" for its customers.

    While Google didn't "give in" to Chinese demands for their customer's data,
    it says Apple easily gave it all up. And it says Apple is actively throwing
    its customers under the bus when it says Apple "aggressively censors apps."

    The article concluded Apple has no right to be "standing up for the
    principles that Apple claims to be so attached to."

    Why don't more people know about this betrayal of Apple's core principles?

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  • From sms@21:1/5 to Bill W on Fri Nov 18 09:49:31 2022
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone, comp.sys.mac.advocacy

    On 11/18/2022 8:46 AM, Bill W wrote:

    <snip>

    Why don't more people know about this betrayal of Apple's core principles?

    I think that most people know about it but it's just not something that
    they spend time worrying about, especially since so many other companies
    have acceded to the same demands.

    As a CNN report <https://www.cnn.com/2021/04/02/business/nike-china-western-business-intl-hnk> stated: "Companies that want to do business in China have long made
    compromises in the pursuit of success." They also explicitly mention
    Google pulling out of China for refusing to comply.

    While Google is not officially available in China (nor is Facebook,
    Whatsapp, or Youtube) the reality is that if anyone really wants access
    to those sites they can use a VPN. So for Google it was probably not a
    big deal to pull out, especially since Android phones can install apps
    from many different sources, they are not limited to the Google Play store.

    For Apple it's very different since the App store is the only source of
    iPhone Apps (with limited exceptions); it would not be possible to sell
    iPhones without the owners having access to the App store.

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  • From Bill W@21:1/5 to sms on Fri Nov 18 20:19:13 2022
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone, comp.sys.mac.advocacy

    On Nov 18, 2022, sms wrote (in article
    <news:tl8gje$301r6$1@dont-email.me>):

    I think that most people know about it but it's just not something that
    they spend time worrying about, especially since so many other companies
    have acceded to the same demands.

    Maybe "so many other companies" acceded privacy to China but not Google.

    How can Apple advertise privacy over Google when it's Apple and not Google
    who acceded its customer's smartphone privacy to China's monetary demands?

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  • From sms@21:1/5 to Bill W on Fri Nov 18 14:53:06 2022
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone, comp.sys.mac.advocacy

    On 11/18/2022 12:19 PM, Bill W wrote:
    On Nov 18, 2022, sms wrote (in article
    <news:tl8gje$301r6$1@dont-email.me>):

    I think that most people know about it but it's just not something that
    they spend time worrying about, especially since so many other companies
    have acceded to the same demands.

    Maybe "so many other companies" acceded privacy to China but not Google.

    How can Apple advertise privacy over Google when it's Apple and not Google who acceded its customer's smartphone privacy to China's monetary demands?

    I suspect that they're not advertising privacy in every country in which
    they do business. No one likes what they've done in regards to China but
    it is what it is.

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  • From John Gardner@21:1/5 to RJH on Mon Nov 21 03:19:39 2022
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone, comp.sys.mac.advocacy

    RJH <patchmoney@gmx.com> wrote:
    On 16 Nov 2022 at 8:49:06 AM, <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> wrote:

    And the truth is also: there are lots and lots of people much dumber
    than bread who choose to use Apple's devices.

    Aren't iOS devices marketed exclusively to people who don't know much and
    who then want Apple to make all their decisions for them to protect them?

    Hey Rob,

    Don’t trolls normally ask “straw man argument” styled questions because they can’t win a real debate?

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