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It's sad how fantastically ignorant most iPhone owners are about iOS.

*An iPhone/iPad has the _shortest_ support lifespan of all smartphones*

That's just a fact.
You iPhone/iPad owners may be ignorant of that fact.

But your ignorance doesn't change the fact that they're still facts.

There's a key point to be made here in that most iPhone owners are
oblivious of how utterly primitive the iOS update mechanism truly is.

It's no wonder that the iPhone has the worst record in terms of it having
the _shortest_ support lifecycle of the current smartphone update
ecosystem.

Yes. You heard that right - but you're likely completely ignorant of how
short the update cycle is for iOS given you only know what Apple fed you.

Here's a FACT that you need to understand if you're going to ever
understand why the iPhone has the _shortest_ update lifecycle of any smartphone.

1. Apple only promises updates in the _latest_ iOS
(which is currently iOS 16)

Yes. You heard that right. Not iOS 15.
iOS 16.

Only.

2. iOS only updates monolithically.

Yes. Monolithically.

I realize most of the iKooks are ignorant of what that means,
since Apple advertises the 'delta' update for any given device.

But if Apple changes even a single line of code in the iOS
operating system - which itself contains all the key apps
by Apple such as Safari is - then the _entire_ operating
system has to be rebuilt by Apple and then distributed to
billions of people world wide.

If you think that's a modern way of distributing an operating
system then think again, because _nobody_ on this planet who
is credible says it's NOT a primitive method of OS updates.

3. Android, by contrast, updates essentially forever most of the
core modules, over the Internet, completely outside the carrier.

Yes. You heard that right too.
You're likely completely ignorant of this fact, as most iKooks are.

But you being ignorant doesn't make that fact not a fact.
Here's just one reference explaining more about that fact.
*Android 13 Will Help You Easily Receive Software Updates*
<https://onsitego.com/blog/android-13-software-updates-bluetooth/>

We can now push new features and applications directly to users
on older versions of Android through updates to existing modules.

We can also individually add entirely new modeles to your device
using the modern functionality not found in iOS, originally named
Project Mainline also known as 'Google Play System Updates' which
were first introduced in Android 10 to make dozens of Android
core system components more modular and hence more updatable.

Unlike with the primitive monolithic iOS, Android owners do NOT have to
wait for their OEM to release timely software updates for dozens of core critical Android modules (which are all updated over Google Play Services)

In summary, I doubt a single iOS user reading these facts will comprehend
even one of them, as they're all seemingly completely ignorant of iOS.

But the iPhone/iPad users being ignorant doesn't make their operating
system not a primitive monolith that has the _shortest_ update lifespan
of all smartphones out there (counting from Android 10 and up, of course).

Please:
DO NOT RESPOND until/unless you're read (and comprehended!) this reference!
*Android (10 and up) is built using Modular System Components*
<https://source.android.com/docs/core/ota/modular-system>

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On 2022-12-23 19:11, Andy Burnelli wrote:

It's sad how fantastically ignorant most iPhone owners are about iOS.

*An iPhone/iPad has the _shortest_ support lifespan of all smartphones*

That's just a fact.
You iPhone/iPad owners may be ignorant of that fact.

But your ignorance doesn't change the fact that they're still facts.

There's a key point to be made here in that most iPhone owners are
oblivious of how utterly primitive the iOS update mechanism truly is.

It's no wonder that the iPhone has the worst record in terms of it having
the _shortest_ support lifecycle of the current smartphone update
ecosystem.

Yes. You heard that right - but you're likely completely ignorant of how short the update cycle is for iOS given you only know what Apple fed you.

Here's a FACT that you need to understand if you're going to ever
understand why the iPhone has the _shortest_ update lifecycle of any smartphone.

1. Apple only promises updates in the _latest_ iOS
  (which is currently iOS 16)

  Yes. You heard that right. Not iOS 15.   iOS 16.

  Only.

Well that's a lie.

2. iOS only updates monolithically.

And so is this.

So why would I bother reading the rest?

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On 2022-12-24 04:29:48 +0000, Alan said:

On 2022-12-23 19:11, Andy Burnelli wrote:

It's sad how fantastically ignorant most iPhone owners are about iOS.

*An iPhone/iPad has the _shortest_ support lifespan of all smartphones*

That's just a fact.
You iPhone/iPad owners may be ignorant of that fact.

But your ignorance doesn't change the fact that they're still facts.

There's a key point to be made here in that most iPhone owners are
oblivious of how utterly primitive the iOS update mechanism truly is.

It's no wonder that the iPhone has the worst record in terms of it having
the _shortest_ support lifecycle of the current smartphone update
ecosystem.

Yes. You heard that right - but you're likely completely ignorant of how
short the update cycle is for iOS given you only know what Apple fed you.

Here's a FACT that you need to understand if you're going to ever
understand why the iPhone has the _shortest_ update lifecycle of any
smartphone.

1. Apple only promises updates in the _latest_ iOS
� (which is currently iOS 16)

� Yes. You heard that right. Not iOS 15. � iOS 16.

� Only.

Well that's a lie.

2. iOS only updates monolithically.

And so is this.

So why would I bother reading the rest?

Why do you bother reading anything that braindead moron posts. Just
killefile the imbecile and ignore him.

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On Dec 23, 2022, Alan wrote
(in article <to5v7u$1sdth$1@dont-email.me>):

On 2022-12-23 19:11, Andy Burnelli wrote:

It's sad how fantastically ignorant most iPhone owners are about iOS.

*An iPhone/iPad has the _shortest_ support lifespan of all smartphones*

That's just a fact.
You iPhone/iPad owners may be ignorant of that fact.

But your ignorance doesn't change the fact that they're still facts.

There's a key point to be made here in that most iPhone owners are oblivious of how utterly primitive the iOS update mechanism truly is.

It's no wonder that the iPhone has the worst record in terms of it having the _shortest_ support lifecycle of the current smartphone update ecosystem.

Yes. You heard that right - but you're likely completely ignorant of how short the update cycle is for iOS given you only know what Apple fed you.

Here's a FACT that you need to understand if you're going to ever understand why the iPhone has the _shortest_ update lifecycle of any smartphone.

1. Apple only promises updates in the _latest_ iOS
(which is currently iOS 16)

Yes. You heard that right. Not iOS 15. iOS 16.

Only.

Well that's a lie.

Indeed. I dug out my iPhone SE, from 2016. I’d got a nice new iPhone 12 to replace it, but didn’t trade it in, I kept it as a spare for emergencies.
It had not been connected to a network for over a year. Plug it into power, charge it to 100%, turn on 802.11 networking (the SIM card was in the iPhone 12, so I couldn’t use cell networks) and... it detects that there are
updates available. It can’t go to iOS 16, but it can hit 15.7.2. Which it
now is at. I made sure WiFi Calling was enabled, I made sure that it could
see random sites on the Internet, then powered it down. I then dug up my old iPhone 6, from 2014. It had been replaced by an iPhone SE 2nd generation. Again, power it up, connect to the wireless net... it detected new updates available and went to iOS 12.5.6. That’s iOS _12_. And an _EIGHT YEAR OLD DEVICE_. And it still bloody works. WiFi Calling is turned on, it can make
and receive calls. Wireless networking is up, it can see the Internet.

So... who should I believe: Arlen the Troll or my lying eyes?

And, oh... the iPhone 6? It was the replacement for the first iPhone I ever bought, an iPhone 4S. The 4S was a replacement for the first (and last)
Android phone I bought, a cheap-charlie thing from T-Mobile (made by some Chinese company, I forget which) which ran Honeycomb. Or, rather, crawled Honeycomb. It froze, randomly, without warning or indication; I’d discover
it was frozen when I attempted to make a call on it. I lost calls because people called while it was frozen. I junked it as soon as I could and got the 4S instead. The 4S was reliable, as have been all the iPhones that I’ve got since. The Android phone had replaced a Windows phone, company policy, as it was a work phone. Which was why having it freeze and loose calls was so irritating. I had been tempted to go back to Windows, but MS was playing
silly buggers with Windows phones, that was why I’d got Android in the
first place. Note that the company went from 100% Windows phones to a mix of Android and iOS in about two years, as the old WinPhones were retired. At first it was 80% Android. Over time, it has become more than 90% iPhone. Android phones are cheaper... but not as reliable, and are simply not
supported as well as iPhones. There are six- and seven-year-old iPhones,
still supported, in use as company phones right now. There aren’t any
Android phones older than three years old on the company net, and most of
them are unsupported. We used to have about 50% Android tablets. There are
now zero point zero Android tablets, every tablet user has an iPad, iPad Air, or iPad Pro, or an MS Surface, depending on job requirements. (I have both a Surface and an iPad Pro. Long story.) The Android tablets simply couldn’t
to the job, and were poorly supported.

2. iOS only updates monolithically.

And so is this.

Indeed. My iOS 16 devices get point updates... and not necessarily the same point updates at the same time.

So why would I bother reading the rest?

I’ve killfiled Arlen. I recommend that you do the same.

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WolfFan wrote:

2. iOS only updates monolithically.

And so is this.

Indeed. My iOS 16 devices get point updates... and not necessarily the same point updates at the same time.

So why would I bother reading the rest?

Hehhehheh... it's no longer shocking how _ignorant_ the iKooks are of iOS.

For the permanent Usenet record... for future decades of researchers...
*I challenge anyone on this thread to prove a _single_ fact*
*stated in this thread by me about iOS to be wrong*

I would _love_ for the iKooks to prove me wrong.
I really would.

I am no beholden to any party line other than to the facts.
Where I present the facts of how iOS is updated.

That's all I do.
A. Facts about iOS
B. iKooks are ignorant of _everything_ they think they know of iOS

Worse then always being ignorant of iOS, the iKooks are always dead wrong.
And yet, they're so confident in being so very wrong, it's uncanny.

It's that simple.

The only person who responded who isn't in my troll killfile is Wolffan so
I can only respond to what I see above - which we will assess for facts.

*FACT = 1, iKook = 0* <=== always based on ignorance of fact
iKook: "It can't go to iOS 16, but it can hit 15.7.2"
FACT: Apple themselves said only the latest OS version (i.e., iOS 16)
can be expected to have support for all the latest bugfixes.

*FACT = 2, iKook = 0* <=== always based on ignorance of fact
iKook: "An EIGHT YEAR OLD DEVICE went to iOS 12.5.6. That's iOS _12_.
FACT: See above. Only iOS 16 is supported by Apple for bugfixes.

I am well educated and intelligent so I only care about the facts.
The facts show that _everything_ stated above by iKooks is dead wrong.

It's no longer shocking how little iKooks know about how iOS works.
And yet, they're so very confident (in being so very dead wrong).

However... I'm an adult... so I'm only beholden to the facts!
*I challenge anyone on this thread to prove a _single_ fact*
*stated in this thread by me about iOS to be wrong*

Name just one.
--
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which, in this case, is to show how little iKooks know about iOS.

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On Dec 24, 2022, nospam wrote
(in article<241220221318470995%nospam@nospam.invalid>):

In article<to7dpj$1kpk$1@gioia.aioe.org>, Andy Burnelli
<spam@nospam.com> wrote:

I would _love_ for the iKooks to prove me wrong.
I really would.

then you should be very happy, because they have done exactly that
many, many times over, and continue to do so.

He’s an idiot. He’s unable to comprehend that he’s in my killfile, and
so replies to me, ignoring the, ahem. FACT, that I won’t be seeing his bullshit.

Arlen, I again state for the record that your assorted smelly socks are killfiled as soon as I detect them. I’d let a few out a while back, to see
if you’d wised up. You haven’t, so all your socks are back in the
killfile. As was stated then.

Go ahead, reply to this post too. I won’t see it, but maybe you’ll feel better.

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Arlen Holder <spam@nospam.com> wrote:

His usual bunch of horse shit.

For the permanent Usenet record, Apple DOES NOT rebuild and distribute the entire iOS system for a single line of code changed. No one but you (and
your many sock puppets) make this ridiculous claim. There are MANY iOS
point releases that are 100MB or less in size. Are you REALLY claiming
that iOS is only 100MB of code?

iOS is a fork of OS X, which is now called MacOS again. OS X (MacOS) is
Unix. Unix is NOT monolithic. It was designed and written to be portable
and modular.

Which is why Unix runs on everything from IBM Mainframes to PCs (Linux and
many others) to ALL smartphones (Android and iOS) and Apple watches. THAT
is the very definition of portable and modular.

PLEASE learn something. You are NOT “well educated”. You are a jackass.


I have an old iPhone 5. This was released on September 12, 2012. In July 2019 - 7 YEARS LATER - it received an update from iOS 10.3.3 to 10.3.4.

Here is a link which actually proves me correct. It also has the date in
the link and on the page:

https://osxdaily.com/2019/07/22/ios-10-3-4-ios-9-3-6-updates-for-older-iphone-ipad-models/

There are MANY other links to other sites that covered this story.

Unlike your links which NEVER support your absurd lies.

If you REALLY had an iPhone and you REALLY were an “adult” you would NOT keep repeating these absurd, bizarre lies.

YOU are the only iKook here. You are totally obsessed with iOS. And yet
you know absolutely NOTHING about it.

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In article <to7dpj$1kpk$1@gioia.aioe.org>, Andy Burnelli
<spam@nospam.com> wrote:

I would _love_ for the iKooks to prove me wrong.
I really would.

then you should be very happy, because they have done exactly that
many, many times over, and continue to do so.

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nospam wrote:

I would _love_ for the iKooks to prove me wrong.
I really would.

then you should be very happy, because they have done exactly that
many, many times over, and continue to do so.

Hi nospam,

I am saddened that people like you actually exist.
But I don't hate you.

You hate me.
And I understand why you hate me.

I presented facts in this thread that not only are you ignorant of.
But you _hate_ those facts.

Facts like this fact:
*About software updates for Apple devices*
<https://support.apple.com/guide/deployment/about-software-updates-depc4c80847a/web>
"not all known security issues are addressed in previous versions"

Notice two things about that fact I just presented above to you:
1. Your belief system about how iOS updates is completely imaginary.
2. Hence, your belief system is ignorant of that fact I just presented.

This is why you hate me.
You hate me because you have no _adult_ defense to how iOS actually updates.

As always, you're welcome to prove that fact I just presented wrong.
But you can't.

Why not?
Because it's a fact.

Read this fact before you respond please, as it explains how iOS updates:
*Apple clarifies security update policy: Only the latest OSes are fully patched*
<https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2022/10/apple-clarifies-security-update-policy-only-the-latest-oses-are-fully-patched/>
"New document confirms what security researchers have observed for a few years."

The adult challenge remains.

If you can prove any fact I said about iOS in this thread is wrong...
Name Just One
--
HINT: I'm neither ignorant nor afraid of facts. You are.

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WolfFan wrote:

He's an idiot.

Hi Wolffan,

I forgive you.
But I do understand that you viciously hate me.

You think I don't know why?
I know why you hate me.

Here's why...
1. Your belief system of how iOS updates is completely imaginary
2. Hence, it's rather fragile - in that a single fact is dangerous
3. I present facts about iOS that instantly destroy your belief system

Hence...
A. You hate me because I present facts about iOS that you hate
B. You have no defense to those facts (which destroy your belief system)
C. So you're _desperate_ to insult me - by calling me "an idiot"

It's the best you can do because you have no _adult_ defense to facts.

Which would be kind of funny...
If it weren't so sad.

The fact people like you exist used to be shocking to me.
But you exist.

So that fact is just sad.

Luckily, Apple loves you!
And you love Apple in return.

But it's still sad that you don't understand how iOS actually updates.
Read this fact before you respond, please, as all I care about are facts.

*Apple Admits It Only Fully Patches Security Flaws In Its Latest OS Releases*
<https://hothardware.com/news/apple-admits-only-fully-patches-security-flaws-in-latest-os-releases>

The adult challenge remains.

If you can prove any fact I said about iOS in this thread is wrong...
Name Just One
--
HINT: I'm not afraid of facts. You are.

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On 2022-12-24 11:24, Andy Burnelli wrote:

WolfFan wrote:

He's an idiot.

Hi Wolffan,

I forgive you.
But I do understand that you viciously hate me.

You think I don't know why?
I know why you hate me.

Here's why... 1. Your belief system of how iOS updates is completely imaginary
2. Hence, it's rather fragile - in that a single fact is dangerous
3. I present facts about iOS that instantly destroy your belief system

Love this fantasy world you've constructed...

...where you think your important enough for anything but ridicule.

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In article <news:to7jkf$22v$1@gioia.aioe.org>, Andy Burnelli
<spam@nospam.com> says...

WolfFan wrote:

He's an idiot.

Hi Wolffan,

I forgive you.
But I do understand that you viciously hate me.

You think I don't know why?
I know why you hate me.

Here's why...
1. Your belief system of how iOS updates is completely imaginary
2. Hence, it's rather fragile - in that a single fact is dangerous
3. I present facts about iOS that instantly destroy your belief system

Hence...
A. You hate me because I present facts about iOS that you hate
B. You have no defense to those facts (which destroy your belief system)
C. So you're _desperate_ to insult me - by calling me "an idiot"

It's the best you can do because you have no _adult_ defense to facts.

Which would be kind of funny...
If it weren't so sad.

The fact people like you exist used to be shocking to me.
But you exist.

So that fact is just sad.

Luckily, Apple loves you!
And you love Apple in return.

But it's still sad that you don't understand how iOS actually updates.
Read this fact before you respond, please, as all I care about are facts.

*Apple Admits It Only Fully Patches Security Flaws In Its Latest OS Releases*
<https://hothardware.com/news/apple-admits-only-fully-patches-security-flaws-in-latest-os-releases>

The adult challenge remains.

If you can prove any fact I said about iOS in this thread is wrong...
Name Just One

Why do you even care to show these semiliterate apple psychopaths wrong.
They know they're wrong. They don't care. They like being wrong.
--
Jim S

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In article <news:to7k2i$7tq$1@gioia.aioe.org>, Andy Burnelli
<spam@nospam.com> says...

nospam wrote:

I would _love_ for the iKooks to prove me wrong.
I really would.

then you should be very happy, because they have done exactly that
many, many times over, and continue to do so.

Hi nospam,

I am saddened that people like you actually exist.
But I don't hate you.

You hate me.
And I understand why you hate me.

I presented facts in this thread that not only are you ignorant of.
But you _hate_ those facts.

Facts like this fact:
*About software updates for Apple devices*
<https://support.apple.com/guide/deployment/about-software-updates-depc4c80847a/web>
"not all known security issues are addressed in previous versions"

Notice two things about that fact I just presented above to you:
1. Your belief system about how iOS updates is completely imaginary.
2. Hence, your belief system is ignorant of that fact I just presented.

This is why you hate me.
You hate me because you have no _adult_ defense to how iOS actually updates.

As always, you're welcome to prove that fact I just presented wrong.
But you can't.

Why not?
Because it's a fact.

Read this fact before you respond please, as it explains how iOS updates:
*Apple clarifies security update policy: Only the latest OSes are fully patched*
<https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2022/10/apple-clarifies-security-update-policy-only-the-latest-oses-are-fully-patched/>
"New document confirms what security researchers have observed for a few years."

The adult challenge remains.

If you can prove any fact I said about iOS in this thread is wrong...
Name Just One

Why do you bother with these illiterate apple psychopaths?
They're not even going to read the references you gave them.

They don't want to.
They enjoy taunting you.
--
Jim S

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On Dec 24, 2022, Alan wrote
(in article <to7lgr$2blj4$1@dont-email.me>):

On 2022-12-24 11:24, Andy Burnelli wrote:

WolfFan wrote:

He's an idiot.

Hi Wolffan,

I forgive you.
But I do understand that you viciously hate me.

You think I don't know why?
I know why you hate me.

Here's why... 1. Your belief system of how iOS updates is completely imaginary
2. Hence, it's rather fragile - in that a single fact is dangerous
3. I present facts about iOS that instantly destroy your belief system

Love this fantasy world you've constructed...

...where you think your important enough for anything but ridicule.

He replied to a post stating explicitly that he’s killfiled and _trimming away the part that says that he and his socks are killfiled_. Gotta love the ego, even if he is brain-dead.

Arlen, m’man, everyone can see exactly what I posted. Particularly the part where I predicted that you wouldn’t be able to resist replying.

I suspect that you’ll reply to this post, too. I further suspect that I won’t see your reply, because you’re killfiled.

Have fun.

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On 2022-12-24 21:46:12 +0000, WolfFan said:

On Dec 24, 2022, Alan wrote
(in article <to7lgr$2blj4$1@dont-email.me>):

On 2022-12-24 11:24, Andy Burnelli wrote:

WolfFan wrote:

He's an idiot.

Hi Wolffan,

I forgive you.
But I do understand that you viciously hate me.

You think I don't know why?
I know why you hate me.

Here's why... 1. Your belief system of how iOS updates is completely
imaginary
2. Hence, it's rather fragile - in that a single fact is dangerous
3. I present facts about iOS that instantly destroy your belief system

Love this fantasy world you've constructed...

...where you think your important enough for anything but ridicule.

He replied to a post stating explicitly that he’s killfiled and _trimming away the part that says that he and his socks are killfiled_. Gotta love the ego, even if he is brain-dead.

Arlen, m’man, everyone can see exactly what I posted. Particularly the part where I predicted that you wouldn’t be able to resist replying.

I suspect that you’ll reply to this post, too. I further suspect that I won’t see your reply, because you’re killfiled.

Have fun.

Except you just did see that post and replied to it.

For God's sake can everyone please just ignore the braindead moron
Arlen and his various trolling names. :-(

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