My ignorance of all things Apple shines
ftfy
You can't do that with iOS
*you* might not be able to, but others can.
I don't care about the apple music shit though. I only use
itunes to make backups. It does work for that.
indeed it does, and far more easily and effectively than on android,
either in the cloud or local on the computer (user's choice), without
having to manually deal with various backup apps, cards and whatever
else the trolls think is so wonderful.
*Only on iOS, if you don't already have a backup - you're dead*
On Android, the backup occurs at the same time as the installation does.
In article <ts7u3n$1selg$1@paganini.bofh.team>, Andy Burnelli <nospam@nospam.net> wrote:
*Only on iOS, if you don't already have a backup - you're dead*
if you don't have a backup for *any* os, you're dead.
that's why backups are so important.
On Android, the backup occurs at the same time as the installation does.
it does not.
*Only on iOS, if you don't already have a backup - you're dead*
if you don't have a backup for *any* os, you're dead.
And you have to go to a lot of trouble to turn backups off on iOS devices. All office iOS devices, for instance, are automatically backed up (encrypted) to one of the file servers. Which in turn is automatically backed up to our private cloud (no, NOT someone else¹s cloud, and our cloud is NOT available off-prep without jumping through a LOT of hoops.) and to tape. (Tape¹s old-fashioned. It¹s also reliable.) That¹s three copies, all done without
any effort on the part of the users.
My personal phone gets backed up automatically to my local computer when I plug into the system at night to charge the phone. It also gets backed up to iCloud, using encryption. Local backup is also encrypted.
In article<ts7u3n$1selg$1@paganini.bofh.team>, Andy Burnelli <nospam@nospam.net> wrote:
*Only on iOS, if you don't already have a backup - you're dead*
if you don't have a backup for *any* os, you're dead.
that's why backups are so important.
On Android, the backup occurs at the same time as the installation does.
it does not.
if you don't have a backup for *any* os, you're dead.
that's why backups are so important.
In article <0001HW.299936C0078E2F4B70000D5FC38F@news.supernews.com>,
WolfFan <akwolffan@zoho.com> wrote:
*Only on iOS, if you don't already have a backup - you're dead*
if you don't have a backup for *any* os, you're dead.
And you have to go to a lot of trouble to turn backups off on iOS devices. >> All office iOS devices, for instance, are automatically backed up (encrypted)
to one of the file servers. Which in turn is automatically backed up to our >> private cloud (no, NOT someone else¹s cloud, and our cloud is NOT available >> off-prep without jumping through a LOT of hoops.) and to tape. (Tape¹s
old-fashioned. It¹s also reliable.) That¹s three copies, all done without >> any effort on the part of the users.
My personal phone gets backed up automatically to my local computer when I >> plug into the system at night to charge the phone. It also gets backed up to >> iCloud, using encryption. Local backup is also encrypted.
doing that on android is difficult to impossible, and requires root to
back up everything.
doing that on android is difficult to impossible, & requires root to
back up everything.
Does it require root to backup user data?
Photos, music, video, docs
received via e-mail/MMS, etc. & so on?
This is what most users would need.
No critical need to back up every bit on the phone.
Note that my POV is "main PC" centric. So my home Mac is the centre of
my data universe & backed up appropriately. Anything that flows from
my phone or other "data appliance" to the Mac gets backed up. If it
doesn't "get there" it doesn't get backed up (other than occasional
iTunes backups of it).
I simplify things by considering everything on my phone and iPad to be
of no importance worth the effort of backing up.
Then if there is something on there "worth it" I transfer it to my work
or personal mac as appropriate (99% of which would be photos). They are backed up regularly and at least work IT has a disaster recovery plan
that is updated from time to time.
Otherwise my iPhone gets sporadic backups at home via iTunes - maybe
once / month. I doubt I've ever backed up my iPad mini.
On Sun, 12 Feb 2023 10:59:09 -0500, Alan Browne wrote:
doing that on android is difficult to impossible, & requires root to
back up everything.
Does it require root to backup user data?
I've never had a problem with backing up android data or any apps.
What he may be talking about is that auto backup of apks is scattered.
On 12 Feb 2023, Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote in misc.phone.mobile.iphone,comp.mobile.ipad:
I simplify things by considering everything on my phone and iPad to be
of no importance worth the effort of backing up.
What could be simpler than to automatically save important data to sd card?
Then if there is something on there "worth it" I transfer it to my work
or personal mac as appropriate (99% of which would be photos). They are
backed up regularly and at least work IT has a disaster recovery plan
that is updated from time to time.
Most important Android data is auto saved to sd card so if the phone
breaks, a user puts the sd card in another phone with no trouble at all.
Otherwise my iPhone gets sporadic backups at home via iTunes - maybe
once / month. I doubt I've ever backed up my iPad mini.
When the sd card is full, it's its own backup.
Tape it on a piece of cardboard, and write the date.
Save the cardboard with all the previous sd card backups in a drawer.
Then pop in a new sd card.
And you have to go to a lot of trouble to turn backups off on iOS devices. >> All office iOS devices, for instance, are automatically backed up
(encrypted)
to one of the file servers. Which in turn is automatically backed up to our
private cloud (no, NOT someone else1s cloud, and our cloud is NOT available
off-prep without jumping through a LOT of hoops.) and to tape. (Tape1s
old-fashioned. It1s also reliable.) That1s three copies, all done without >> any effort on the part of the users.
My personal phone gets backed up automatically to my local computer when I >> plug into the system at night to charge the phone. It also gets backed up >> to iCloud, using encryption. Local backup is also encrypted.
doing that on android is difficult to impossible, and requires root to
back up everything.
Does it require root to backup user data? Photos, music, video, docs received via e-mail/MMS, etc. and so on? This is what most users would
need.
No critical need to back up every bit on the phone.
Note that my POV is "main PC" centric. So my home Mac is the centre of
my data universe and backed up appropriately. Anything that flows from
my phone or other "data appliance" to the Mac gets backed up. If it
doesn't "get there" it doesn't get backed up (other than occasional
iTunes backups of it).
I simplify things by considering everything on my phone and iPad to be
of no importance worth the effort of backing up.
What could be simpler than to automatically save important data to sd card?
Automatically upload important data to iCloud comes to mind.
But of
course, as noted, I don't have "important" data on my phones that didn't
come from somewhere else (such as my computer at home or at work).
If someone sends me a doc that I "get" via my phone it will also be
available elsewhere, and if I'm feeling really unlucky I can simply drop
it in my "Files" and it will be automatically uploaded to iCloud.
Now you could, appropriately, say, but: "The SD card doesn't depend on
having access to a network." And you'd be quite correct - but (again) I
don't often have anything critical on my Phone that isn't already on
another computer - so it's a moot point.
Then if there is something on there "worth it" I transfer it to my work
or personal mac as appropriate (99% of which would be photos). They are >>> backed up regularly and at least work IT has a disaster recovery plan
that is updated from time to time.
Most important Android data is auto saved to sd card so if the phone
breaks, a user puts the sd card in another phone with no trouble at all.
As I've said, there is little on my phone that is all that important (or
if there is, it was sourced from a backed up computer in the first place).
Otherwise my iPhone gets sporadic backups at home via iTunes - maybe
once / month. I doubt I've ever backed up my iPad mini.
When the sd card is full, it's its own backup.
Tape it on a piece of cardboard, and write the date.
Save the cardboard with all the previous sd card backups in a drawer.
Then pop in a new sd card.
If that works for you, hooray.
What works for me is defense in depth backup system around my home and
work computers.
"Appliances" like my phone are not carrying important data that isn't
already being backed up elsewhere.
The sole thing that is at risk is photo and video - but almost 100% of
the time, if needed they can be moved to iCloud quickly.
If your whole point is some defense for the notion that phones must have
SD cards, then why do the flagship galaxy phones not have SD card slots?
On 12 Feb 2023, Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote in misc.phone.mobile.iphone,comp.mobile.ipad:
Automatically upload important data to iCloud comes to mind.I simplify things by considering everything on my phone and iPad to be >>>> of no importance worth the effort of backing up.
What could be simpler than to automatically save important data to sd card? >>
How much does it cost to save a terabyte of data on iCloud forever versus saving that terabyte of photos and images on sd cards taped to cardboard?
But of
course, as noted, I don't have "important" data on my phones that didn't
come from somewhere else (such as my computer at home or at work).
If it's important data, it shouldn't be unencrypted if it's on the net.
If someone sends me a doc that I "get" via my phone it will also be
available elsewhere, and if I'm feeling really unlucky I can simply drop
it in my "Files" and it will be automatically uploaded to iCloud.
Where do you permanently save that terabyte of images & videos of yours?
Now you could, appropriately, say, but: "The SD card doesn't depend on
having access to a network." And you'd be quite correct - but (again) I
don't often have anything critical on my Phone that isn't already on
another computer - so it's a moot point.
The key advantage of storing videos & images on sd card is that when it's finally full, you pluck it out & tape it to cardboard to store it forever.
Then you put another sd card into the phone to put your next media files.
Then if there is something on there "worth it" I transfer it to my work >>>> or personal mac as appropriate (99% of which would be photos). They are >>>> backed up regularly and at least work IT has a disaster recovery plan
that is updated from time to time.
Most important Android data is auto saved to sd card so if the phone
breaks, a user puts the sd card in another phone with no trouble at all.
As I've said, there is little on my phone that is all that important (or
if there is, it was sourced from a backed up computer in the first place).
What I do is save my DSLR images & video onto sd cards and I tape them to
the same piece of cardboard that I put my smartphone images & video onto.
There are layers of these cardboard sheets fitted to the drawer dimensions. It costs only the price of the sd card to store a terabyte of data forever.
Otherwise my iPhone gets sporadic backups at home via iTunes - maybe
once / month. I doubt I've ever backed up my iPad mini.
When the sd card is full, it's its own backup.
Tape it on a piece of cardboard, and write the date.
Save the cardboard with all the previous sd card backups in a drawer.
Then pop in a new sd card.
If that works for you, hooray.
What works for me is defense in depth backup system around my home and
work computers.
"Appliances" like my phone are not carrying important data that isn't
already being backed up elsewhere.
Where do you store the terabyte of video & images you take with the phone?
The sole thing that is at risk is photo and video - but almost 100% of
the time, if needed they can be moved to iCloud quickly.
The convenience of saving a terabyte of data in my drawer is why I do it.
If your whole point is some defense for the notion that phones must have
SD cards, then why do the flagship galaxy phones not have SD card slots?
It's not a defense but simply a convenience to be able to store a terabyte
of images and video onto sd cards which are then dated and taped for permanent storage onto sheets of cardboard stored in a convenient drawer.
I've been saving my images & data that way since the first DSLRs came out.
Thanks for the concise answer.
I don't have an Android, so I'll not try
to grok that too deeply. (Well I did briefly have one for some
experiments a few years ago).
You're making assumptions about how much data I leave in iCloud. It's a parking lot for the short term.
Also (photography and a little video) projects saves on DVD sets.
These are not encrypted. Of course.
Yes, we've gotten your method a couple times. Hope it works out for
you. Hope you have redundant copies too.
Already answered above. But I'll add that I also have volumes of DVD's
by project saved away in a cool, dry, dark place.
I do suggest you make redundant copies somewhere.
If it's important data, it shouldn't be unencrypted if it's on the net.
It's encrypted from my phone/computer to iCloud. And in the near future
will be encrypted there as well.
In article <NrcGL.755663$iU59.609689@fx14.iad>, Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:
If it's important data, it shouldn't be unencrypted if it's on the net.
It's encrypted from my phone/computer to iCloud. And in the near future
will be encrypted there as well.
enable advanced data protection and the future is now.
On 12 Feb 2023, Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote in misc.phone.mobile.iphone,comp.mobile.ipad:
You're making assumptions about how much data I leave in iCloud. It's a
parking lot for the short term.
It's a convenience to get a new phone and put the old sd card in and all
the pictures and videos I've taken with the old phone are on the new one.
Also (photography and a little video) projects saves on DVD sets.
I've been saving the old sd cards of my images & video by taping the sd
card to a labeled square of cardboard since the first DSLRs came out.
These are not encrypted. Of course.
I guess I could encrypt them, but why bother?
You have to already be inside my home if you want to steal them.
Yes, we've gotten your method a couple times. Hope it works out for
you. Hope you have redundant copies too.
There's nothing stopping me from storing them in the cloud forever
except that it would cost a pretty penny for what costs nothing today.
Already answered above. But I'll add that I also have volumes of DVD's
by project saved away in a cool, dry, dark place.
I didn't mention that I wrap the cardboard in aluminum foil because I
didn't want to hear tinhat jokes but mine are also stored cool & dry.
I do suggest you make redundant copies somewhere.
There's nothing stopping me from making a redundant copy other than sd
cards are so cheap that to put an old small one in a new phone is passe.
I just restore from iTunes backup and all is there - not only photos.
As I buy a new phone every 5 years, and the iPhone 11 has the potential
to go 6 or 7, this is not a strain of any kind.
I don't use the cloud for long term storage. It's a bridge where needed.
Thus I don't pay for them:
-iCloud
-Dropbox
-Whatever the MS service is called
-Google Drive
I can, but don't actually use the last 2.
SD cards can fail. Next time you put one in a slot and it gets enough
zap and you'll likely never see those photos again.
I just restore from iTunes backup and all is there - not only photos.
Same with Android only you don't need to make any backup first.
For me, I like the convenience of never having to worry about backing up. It's done automatically for me.
I don't use the cloud for long term storage. It's a bridge where needed.
Thus I don't pay for them:
That's good because "the cloud" is designed to make money off of people.
without a backup, there's nothing to restore.
so you do have a backup
and it isn't done automatically, nor is it everything.
on the other hand, ios backs up *everything* simply by connecting it to
a charger.
everything is designed to make money off people.
that said, there are free tiers.
With iOS you can't re-install an older version of an app you like whose newest version on the App Store that you don't want is the only one there.
You can only re-install that older version of the IPA if you had manually backed it up first. No so with Android because of automatic backups.
Can iOS restore an IPA version that is no longer on the Apple App Store?
without a backup, there's nothing to restore.
You don't understand how Android works because with iOS you have to make a backup whereas with Android that backup is already there on your sd card.
so you do have a backup
and it isn't done automatically, nor is it everything.
The convenience of putting a new card in when the old one gets full is unknown to you because you don't understand how sd cards work on Android.
With iOS you can't re-install an older version of an app you like whose newest version on the App Store that you don't want is the only one there.
In article <tseg68$2r42k$1@paganini.bofh.team>, Sail Fisherman <sailfisherman@sailfisherman.com> wrote:
Can iOS restore an IPA version that is no longer on the Apple App Store?
yes.
Can iOS restore an IPA version that is no longer on the Apple App Store?
yes.
How?
ios backups are automatic and contain everything on the device, without
the user needing to do anything (although the can manually invoke a
backup if they so choose). the backups can be in the cloud or on a
local computer, also up to the user. restoring to a new device is easy,
with less hassle than android, and most importantly, everything is
restored. even easier, if both devices are available, use quick start
to copy the contents of the old phone directly to the new one, which
doesn't require a previous backup at all.
swapping cards is a hassle,
which means it won't get done anywhere near
as often as it should be and managing a bunch of cards is yet another
hassle which quickly becomes a nightmare.
for example, a three year old phone with weekly backups would require
more than 150 cards, and weekly is not as often as it should be. daily backups with sd cards would be unmanageable.
for ios users, backups are done on a continual basis, which means if
the phone is lost or stolen, very little data, if anything, will be
lost. it's also possible to restore to a previous point in time if for
some reason that's needed. i have iphone backups from 15 years ago.
With iOS you can't re-install an older version of an app you like whose
newest version on the App Store that you don't want is the only one there.
as you've been told before, that's easily done.
swapping cards is a hassle,
It is? That's your excuse? the ten seconds it takes to pop a card out?
You still don't understand that you can fill up the sd card with your
videos and photos and any APKs you want and then when it's full, you pop
out the old card and put it on cardboard with the date written next to it.
As that other guy said, the only IPA version you can install on iOS using that mechanism is one that is currently on the App Store. None other.
but even at 'ten seconds', it's ten seconds more than is needed.
As that other guy said, the only IPA version you can install on iOS using
that mechanism is one that is currently on the App Store. None other.
anyone who claims it cannot be done is either ignorant or trolling (and
both can't be ruled out).
I'm not even going to discuss sd further
In article <TvAGL.828309$vBI8.489402@fx15.iad>, Hank Rogers
<hank@nospam.invalid> wrote:
Can iOS restore an IPA version that is no longer on the Apple App
Store?
yes.
How?
save a copy of the existing app (just like with android) and later
copy it directly to the ios device using itunes or configurator.
there's a third party app called imazing that may also be able to do
it but i've not tried it.
i have a huge archive of apps going back to 2008 (when the app store
first began) and can reinstall any of them at any time on a compatible iphone/ios version (and i still have those).
In article <TvAGL.828309$vBI8....@fx15.iad>, Hank Rogers <ha...@nospam.invalid> wrote:
Can iOS restore an IPA version that is no longer on the Apple App Store?
yes.
How?save a copy of the existing app (just like with android) and later copy
it directly to the ios device using itunes or configurator. there's a
third party app called imazing that may also be able to do it but i've
not tried it.
i have a huge archive of apps going back to 2008 (when the app store
first began) and can reinstall any of them at any time on a compatible iphone/ios version (and i still have those).
for any new ios device i get, i install about 5-6 older apps whose new versions are not to my liking.
i have a huge archive of apps going back to 2008 (when the app store
first began) and can reinstall any of them at any time on a compatible iphone/ios version (and i still have those).
for any new ios device i get, i install about 5-6 older apps whose new versions are not to my liking.
This is just a bunch of bullshit.
Older apps typically stop working because
apple regularly changes something about the settings
On Tuesday, February 14, 2023 at 2:19:59 AM UTC+1, nospam wrote:
In article <TvAGL.828309$vBI8....@fx15.iad>, Hank Rogers
<ha...@nospam.invalid> wrote:
save a copy of the existing app (just like with android) and laterCan iOS restore an IPA version that is no longer on the Apple
App Store?
yes.
How?
copy it directly to the ios device using itunes or configurator.
there's a third party app called imazing that may also be able to do
it but i've not tried it.
i have a huge archive of apps going back to 2008 (when the app store
first began) and can reinstall any of them at any time on a
compatible iphone/ios version (and i still have those).
for any new ios device i get, i install about 5-6 older apps whose
new versions are not to my liking.
This is just a bunch of bullshit.
Older apps typically stop working because apple regularly changes
something about the settings
and that means all apps that use to work stop working.
Apple also prevents you from downgrading to an older ios version that
would enable you to use apps that are not compatible with newer ios
versions.
ok
In article <d798893a-2f01-48e2...@googlegroups.com>,
sobriquet <dohd...@yahoo.com> wrote:
i have a huge archive of apps going back to 2008 (when the app store first began) and can reinstall any of them at any time on a compatible iphone/ios version (and i still have those).
for any new ios device i get, i install about 5-6 older apps whose new versions are not to my liking.
This is just a bunch of bullshit.it is not.
Older apps typically stop working becauseit's no different than any other system.
apple regularly changes something about the settings
old android apps no longer work on modern devices and android versions.
old windows apps no longer work on modern pcs and windows versions.
that's why i said 'on a compatible iphone/ios version'.
also, the question was about installing older apps, not whether it
worked.
many older apps (on any platform) are no longer usable even if they
still run because they try to connect to an external server which no
longer exists or requires more advanced security than what existed when
the app was written. banks are a good example of the latter.
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