• lack of battery health & charging info on your iPad

    From *Hemidactylus*@21:1/5 to All on Thu Mar 2 02:42:09 2023
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone

    Isn’t it funny iPad users who spent tons of money are denied the feedback
    on battery health iPhone users have? Why is that?

    When I click on that on the expensive iPhone I bought I get instant
    feedback. But the expensive iPad I bought lacks such feedback because piece
    of shit Tim Cook denied that info to me. I spend money but scumbags like
    nospam and Jolly Roger deny me needing access to crucial info because they
    know better than I what I should have access to. Fuck Tim Cook, nospam, and Jolly Roger.

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  • From Jolly Roger@21:1/5 to ecphoric@allspamis.invalid on Thu Mar 2 04:07:17 2023
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone

    On 2023-03-02, *Hemidactylus* <ecphoric@allspamis.invalid> wrote:

    Isn’t it funny iPad users who spent tons of money are denied the feedback on battery health iPhone users have? Why is that?

    What's even funnier is that the rest of us have been using iPads for
    years and years without needing feedback on our battery health. You come
    across as extremely neurotic and needy. You should probably get a hobby.

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  • From Joerg Lorenz@21:1/5 to All on Thu Mar 2 10:14:47 2023
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone

    Am 02.03.23 um 03:42 schrieb *Hemidactylus*:

    Isn’t it funny iPad users who spent tons of money are denied the feedback on battery health iPhone users have? Why is that?

    When I click on that on the expensive iPhone I bought I get instant
    feedback. But the expensive iPad I bought lacks such feedback because piece of shit Tim Cook denied that info to me. I spend money but scumbags like nospam and Jolly Roger deny me needing access to crucial info because they know better than I what I should have access to. Fuck Tim Cook, nospam, and Jolly Roger.

    *Hemidactylus* <ecphoric@allspamis.invalid>: You are a pathological case
    and a ridiculous figure. Even more so than your friends HR and AB.

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  • From Chris@21:1/5 to Joerg Lorenz on Thu Mar 2 12:35:39 2023
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone

    Joerg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.ch> wrote:
    Am 02.03.23 um 03:42 schrieb *Hemidactylus*:

    Isn’t it funny iPad users who spent tons of money are denied the feedback >> on battery health iPhone users have? Why is that?

    When I click on that on the expensive iPhone I bought I get instant
    feedback. But the expensive iPad I bought lacks such feedback because piece >> of shit Tim Cook denied that info to me. I spend money but scumbags like
    nospam and Jolly Roger deny me needing access to crucial info because they >> know better than I what I should have access to. Fuck Tim Cook, nospam, and >> Jolly Roger.

    *Hemidactylus* <ecphoric@allspamis.invalid>: You are a pathological case
    and a ridiculous figure. Even more so than your friends HR and AB.

    His tone is ridiculous, but the point still remains: Why don't ipads have a battery health indicator ipadOS like there is for iphones in iOS? Even Macs have that information. So ipads are explicitly excluded.

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  • From badgolferman@21:1/5 to Chris on Thu Mar 2 14:52:37 2023
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone

    Chris wrote:

    His tone is ridiculous, but the point still remains: Why don't ipads
    have a battery health indicator ipadOS like there is for iphones in
    iOS? Even Macs have that information. So ipads are explicitly
    excluded.

    "Not needed" and "no one wants it".

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  • From David Taylor@21:1/5 to Chris on Thu Mar 2 16:53:23 2023
    On 02/03/2023 12:35, Chris wrote:
    His tone is ridiculous, but the point still remains: Why don't ipads have a battery health indicator ipadOS like there is for iphones in iOS? Even Macs have that information. So ipads are explicitly excluded.

    Agreed - it would be a useful feature.
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  • From News@21:1/5 to badgolferman on Thu Mar 2 11:24:21 2023
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone

    On 3/2/2023 9:52 AM, badgolferman wrote:
    Chris wrote:

    His tone is ridiculous, but the point still remains: Why don't ipads
    have a battery health indicator ipadOS like there is for iphones in
    iOS? Even Macs have that information. So ipads are explicitly
    excluded.

    "Not needed" and "no one wants it".

    National Sample of No One?

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  • From nospam@21:1/5 to scharf.steven@geemail.com on Thu Mar 2 12:06:42 2023
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone

    In article <ttqknu$bdt7$2@dont-email.me>, sms
    <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:

    His tone is ridiculous, but the point still remains: Why don't ipads
    have a battery health indicator ipadOS like there is for iphones in
    iOS? Even Macs have that information. So ipads are explicitly
    excluded.

    "Not needed" and "no one wants it".

    LOL, that was a stock answer from one of our favorite trolls.

    nobody said that. your attempt at spinning things has failed.

    Except of
    course it is needed and people do want it!

    some do, some don't. most people don't even know iphones have it.

    The fact that there's a jailbreak tweak for iPadOS in order to get that capability is sufficient evidence that a significant number of people do
    want it,

    jailbreak tweaks are not an indication of anything other than one
    person wanted to write something.

    How else is an iPad users going to know whether or not a problem with
    battery life is an actual battery problem, or some other issue?

    by checking the battery health with an app. it's *very* easy to do.

    it's odd that ipads don't have the ability without using an app, but
    nobody outside of apple knows why that is.

    OTOH, it could be a marketing decision to not include it, in the belief
    that an iPad owner that is experiencing reduced operating time will buy
    a new iPad, unaware that a battery replacement will solve the issue.

    massive conspiracy theory that doesn't have any basis in reality.

    people having problems with a device are likely to buy a competitor's
    device, versus another of the same and hoping they don't have more
    problems.

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  • From sms@21:1/5 to badgolferman on Thu Mar 2 09:00:45 2023
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone

    On 3/2/2023 6:52 AM, badgolferman wrote:
    Chris wrote:

    His tone is ridiculous, but the point still remains: Why don't ipads
    have a battery health indicator ipadOS like there is for iphones in
    iOS? Even Macs have that information. So ipads are explicitly
    excluded.

    "Not needed" and "no one wants it".

    LOL, that was a stock answer from one of our favorite trolls. Except of
    course it is needed and people do want it!

    The fact that there's a jailbreak tweak for iPadOS in order to get that capability is sufficient evidence that a significant number of people do
    want it, see <https://www.reddit.com/r/jailbreak/comments/mouttb/free_release_batteryhealthenableripadipod_enable/>.

    How else is an iPad users going to know whether or not a problem with
    battery life is an actual battery problem, or some other issue? It
    wouldn't cost anything to add this capability to the iPad. Enough people complained when the battery percentage indicator was removed that Apple
    brought it back so perhaps there's some hope for the iPad to get a
    battery health indicator, since the necessary hardware must be there in
    order for the jailbreak tweak to work.

    OTOH, it could be a marketing decision to not include it, in the belief
    that an iPad owner that is experiencing reduced operating time will buy
    a new iPad, unaware that a battery replacement will solve the issue.

    "People don't know what they want until you show it to them." Steve Jobs

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  • From Bugsy@21:1/5 to Jolly Roger on Thu Mar 2 11:07:51 2023
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone

    Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:

    Isnt it funny iPad users who spent tons of money are denied the feedback
    on battery health iPhone users have? Why is that?

    What's even funnier is that the rest of us have been using iPads for
    years and years without needing feedback on our battery health. You come across as extremely neurotic and needy. You should probably get a hobby.

    My older iPad is shutting down a lot when it's cold inside the house.

    I could use an easy battery health feedback on the iPad but I tried what
    you suggested and it didn't work for me either so something is wrong.
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  • From Bugsy@21:1/5 to sms on Thu Mar 2 11:12:23 2023
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone

    sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:

    On 3/2/2023 6:52 AM, badgolferman wrote:
    Chris wrote:

    His tone is ridiculous, but the point still remains: Why don't ipads
    have a battery health indicator ipadOS like there is for iphones in
    iOS? Even Macs have that information. So ipads are explicitly
    excluded.

    "Not needed" and "no one wants it".

    LOL, that was a stock answer from one of our favorite trolls. Except of course it is needed and people do want it!

    I need it and I want it.
    My iPad is older and when it gets cold in the house, it shuts down.
    I'd like an easy way to check the battery health status on the iPad itself.

    The fact that there's a jailbreak tweak for iPadOS in order to get that capability is sufficient evidence that a significant number of people do
    want it, see <https://www.reddit.com/r/jailbreak/comments/mouttb/free_release_batteryhealthenableripadipod_enable/>.

    How many people are going to jailbreak their iPads?
    Not me.

    I could brick the iPad more likely than succeed in jailbreaking it.

    Even if I did, Apple would break the jailbreak in the next patches.

    How else is an iPad users going to know whether or not a problem with
    battery life is an actual battery problem, or some other issue?

    Mine says it's 0% when it's cold inside the house.
    When I warm it up, it says 100%.
    It's old but I would still like to know the battery health status.

    "People don't know what they want until you show it to them." Steve Jobs

    I want to know the battery health status of my iPad on the iPad.
    Without jailbreaking (because I'm never going to jailbreak anything).
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  • From nospam@21:1/5 to bugsy@zimage.comBUGSY on Thu Mar 2 12:10:11 2023
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone

    In article <ttql4r$20t7v$1@paganini.bofh.team>, Bugsy
    <bugsy@zimage.comBUGSY> wrote:

    My older iPad is shutting down a lot when it's cold inside the house.

    turn on the heat.

    I could use an easy battery health feedback on the iPad

    there are apps for mac & windows, or just take it to an apple store and
    have them run a full suite of diagnostics.

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  • From nospam@21:1/5 to bugsy@zimage.comBUGSY on Thu Mar 2 12:16:23 2023
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone

    In article <ttqldb$20u9r$1@paganini.bofh.team>, Bugsy
    <bugsy@zimage.comBUGSY> wrote:


    Mine says it's 0% when it's cold inside the house.
    When I warm it up, it says 100%.

    based on that, it's not good.

    It's old but I would still like to know the battery health status.

    then use one of several apps to find out.

    it's not as convenient as having it in settings but it's not a big deal
    in the grand scheme of things.

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  • From Calum@21:1/5 to nospam on Thu Mar 2 12:17:51 2023
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone

    On 02/03/2023 12:6, nospam wrote:

    His tone is ridiculous, but the point still remains: Why don't ipads
    have a battery health indicator ipadOS like there is for iphones in
    iOS? Even Macs have that information. So ipads are explicitly
    excluded.

    "Not needed" and "no one wants it".

    LOL, that was a stock answer from one of our favorite trolls.

    nobody said that. your attempt at spinning things has failed.

    They are wrong.
    You are right.

    What you said was that there *is* a battery health status setting on the
    iPad but only *you* know where but you are never going to say where it is.

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  • From Jolly Roger@21:1/5 to nospam on Thu Mar 2 17:24:52 2023
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone

    On 2023-03-02, nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:
    In article <ttqknu$bdt7$2@dont-email.me>, sms
    <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:

    His tone is ridiculous, but the point still remains: Why don't
    ipads have a battery health indicator ipadOS like there is for
    iphones in iOS? Even Macs have that information. So ipads are
    explicitly excluded.

    "Not needed" and "no one wants it".

    LOL, that was a stock answer from one of our favorite trolls.

    nobody said that. your attempt at spinning things has failed.

    Except of course it is needed and people do want it!

    some do, some don't. most people don't even know iphones have it.

    I'll wager most people don't waste time worrying about and babysitting
    their batteries in the first place. When their battery no longer lasts
    as long as they wish it would, they simply replace it. I have no doubt
    the Battery Health display is probably misunderstood and misused by a
    lot of people who grow downright obsessive over it rather than using it
    as intended.

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  • From Bugsy@21:1/5 to sms on Thu Mar 2 12:04:13 2023
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone

    sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:

    It's old but I would still like to know the battery health status.

    then use one of several apps to find out.

    Which apps please. I'll try it.

    Here's one: <https://apps.apple.com/us/app/battery-testing/id887730232>.

    Thank you for that suggestion which I immediately installed & tested out.

    After the notification request and theme request (you can only select "OK"
    or "later" on the theme) it had a "Start Testing" button and then a big red screen came up saying "The test could not be started because your device is fully charged."

    But understand that the way that iOS determines battery health includes
    the hardware measuring the impedance of the battery.

    On the bottom was a "System" selection for a "System Monitor" which has a "Battery" section saying the "Battery Capacity" is 8612mAh and the "Battery Voltage" is 3.77V and the "Battery Status" is Fully Charged and the
    "Battery Level" is 100% but that's all it tells me. No impedences listed.

    As the impedance
    goes up battery life decreases. There is no way that an app can
    duplicate this.

    Do you know which of the pc apps might do the test with a charged battery?
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  • From sms@21:1/5 to Bugsy on Thu Mar 2 09:49:12 2023
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone

    On 3/2/2023 9:20 AM, Bugsy wrote:
    nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:

    It's old but I would still like to know the battery health status.

    then use one of several apps to find out.

    Which apps please. I'll try it.

    Here's one: <https://apps.apple.com/us/app/battery-testing/id887730232>.

    But understand that the way that iOS determines battery health includes
    the hardware measuring the impedance of the battery. As the impedance
    goes up battery life decreases. There is no way that an app can
    duplicate this.

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  • From sms@21:1/5 to Bugsy on Thu Mar 2 09:46:35 2023
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone

    On 3/2/2023 9:12 AM, Bugsy wrote:
    sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:

    On 3/2/2023 6:52 AM, badgolferman wrote:
    Chris wrote:

    His tone is ridiculous, but the point still remains: Why don't ipads
    have a battery health indicator ipadOS like there is for iphones in
    iOS? Even Macs have that information. So ipads are explicitly
    excluded.

    "Not needed" and "no one wants it".

    LOL, that was a stock answer from one of our favorite trolls. Except of
    course it is needed and people do want it!

    I need it and I want it.
    My iPad is older and when it gets cold in the house, it shuts down.
    I'd like an easy way to check the battery health status on the iPad itself.

    The fact that there's a jailbreak tweak for iPadOS in order to get that
    capability is sufficient evidence that a significant number of people do
    want it, see
    <https://www.reddit.com/r/jailbreak/comments/mouttb/free_release_batteryhealthenableripadipod_enable/>.

    How many people are going to jailbreak their iPads?
    Not me.

    Very few. But if it's a question of buying a new iPad versus checking if
    the battery needs to be replaced, perhaps you'd be willing to do the
    jailbreak (if it's even possible since with each revision of iOS it
    becomes more difficult to jailbreak).

    Even if I did, Apple would break the jailbreak in the next patches.

    That's true, but you just need to check the battery health once. If the jailbreak goes away in a future revision then it's no big deal.

    How else is an iPad users going to know whether or not a problem with
    battery life is an actual battery problem, or some other issue?

    Mine says it's 0% when it's cold inside the house.
    When I warm it up, it says 100%.
    It's old but I would still like to know the battery health status.

    "People don't know what they want until you show it to them." Steve Jobs

    I want to know the battery health status of my iPad on the iPad.
    Without jailbreaking (because I'm never going to jailbreak anything).

    You could try running one of the battery test apps from the App store.
    It's not as accurate as how the device measures battery health though.
    Apple has a patent on their method: <https://patents.google.com/patent/US20110089907>.

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  • From Bugsy@21:1/5 to nospam on Thu Mar 2 11:20:29 2023
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone

    nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:

    It's old but I would still like to know the battery health status.

    then use one of several apps to find out.

    Which apps please. I'll try it.

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  • From sms@21:1/5 to Bugsy on Thu Mar 2 11:06:03 2023
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone

    On 3/2/2023 10:04 AM, Bugsy wrote:
    sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:

    It's old but I would still like to know the battery health status.

    then use one of several apps to find out.

    Which apps please. I'll try it.

    Here's one: <https://apps.apple.com/us/app/battery-testing/id887730232>.

    Thank you for that suggestion which I immediately installed & tested out.

    After the notification request and theme request (you can only select "OK"
    or "later" on the theme) it had a "Start Testing" button and then a big red screen came up saying "The test could not be started because your device is fully charged."

    But understand that the way that iOS determines battery health includes
    the hardware measuring the impedance of the battery.

    On the bottom was a "System" selection for a "System Monitor" which has a "Battery" section saying the "Battery Capacity" is 8612mAh and the "Battery Voltage" is 3.77V and the "Battery Status" is Fully Charged and the
    "Battery Level" is 100% but that's all it tells me. No impedences listed.

    As the impedance
    goes up battery life decreases. There is no way that an app can
    duplicate this.

    Do you know which of the pc apps might do the test with a charged battery?

    No way to do that. These tests are empirical, measuring time to charge
    and then time to discharge.

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  • From Jolly Roger@21:1/5 to Bugsy on Thu Mar 2 18:41:39 2023
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone

    On 2023-03-02, Bugsy <bugsy@zimage.comBUGSY> wrote:
    sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:
    On 3/2/2023 6:52 AM, badgolferman wrote:
    Chris wrote:

    His tone is ridiculous, but the point still remains: Why don't
    ipads have a battery health indicator ipadOS like there is for
    iphones in iOS? Even Macs have that information. So ipads are
    explicitly excluded.

    "Not needed" and "no one wants it".

    LOL, that was a stock answer from one of our favorite trolls. Except
    of course it is needed and people do want it!

    I need it and I want it. My iPad is older and when it gets cold in
    the house, it shuts down. I'd like an easy way to check the battery
    health status on the iPad itself.

    Seeing an estimate (and yes, it's only an estimate) of battery health
    isn't going to change anything. You already know your battery doesn't
    perform as well as when it was new.

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  • From Jolly Roger@21:1/5 to David Taylor on Thu Mar 2 19:17:38 2023
    On 2023-03-02, David Taylor <david-taylor@blueyonder.co.uk.invalid> wrote:
    On 02/03/2023 12:35, Chris wrote:

    His tone is ridiculous, but the point still remains: Why don't ipads
    have a battery health indicator ipadOS like there is for iphones in
    iOS? Even Macs have that information. So ipads are explicitly
    excluded.

    Agreed - it would be a useful feature.

    A "nice to have", sure. But unless you are an obsessive helicopter
    parent to your battery, by the time you are checking battery health, you already know your battery isn't performing the way it used to, which
    means it's probably time to replace it. Looking at an estimate
    percentage isn't going to change that.

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  • From Bugsy@21:1/5 to sms on Thu Mar 2 14:09:08 2023
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone

    sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:

    Do you know which of the pc apps might do the test with a charged battery?

    No way to do that. These tests are empirical, measuring time to charge
    and then time to discharge.

    I'll let it discharge. How low should I let it go?
    Then which pc apps can you suggest I use to test the battery health status?
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  • From Chris@21:1/5 to nospam on Thu Mar 2 19:22:03 2023
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone

    nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:
    In article <ttqknu$bdt7$2@dont-email.me>, sms
    <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:

    His tone is ridiculous, but the point still remains: Why don't ipads
    have a battery health indicator ipadOS like there is for iphones in
    iOS? Even Macs have that information. So ipads are explicitly
    excluded.

    "Not needed" and "no one wants it".

    LOL, that was a stock answer from one of our favorite trolls.

    nobody said that. your attempt at spinning things has failed.

    Except of
    course it is needed and people do want it!

    some do, some don't. most people don't even know iphones have it.

    The fact that there's a jailbreak tweak for iPadOS in order to get that
    capability is sufficient evidence that a significant number of people do
    want it,

    jailbreak tweaks are not an indication of anything other than one
    person wanted to write something.

    How else is an iPad users going to know whether or not a problem with
    battery life is an actual battery problem, or some other issue?

    by checking the battery health with an app. it's *very* easy to do.

    It's very hard to mention the name of one of these so called apps, however.

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  • From Chris@21:1/5 to Bugsy on Thu Mar 2 19:22:03 2023
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone

    Bugsy <bugsy@zimage.comBUGSY> wrote:
    sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:

    It's old but I would still like to know the battery health status.

    then use one of several apps to find out.

    Which apps please. I'll try it.

    Here's one: <https://apps.apple.com/us/app/battery-testing/id887730232>.

    Thank you for that suggestion which I immediately installed & tested out.

    After the notification request and theme request (you can only select "OK"
    or "later" on the theme) it had a "Start Testing" button and then a big red screen came up saying "The test could not be started because your device is fully charged."

    D'oh

    But understand that the way that iOS determines battery health includes
    the hardware measuring the impedance of the battery.

    On the bottom was a "System" selection for a "System Monitor" which has a "Battery" section saying the "Battery Capacity" is 8612mAh and the "Battery Voltage" is 3.77V and the "Battery Status" is Fully Charged and the
    "Battery Level" is 100% but that's all it tells me. No impedences listed.

    So nothing useful. You'd need to know what a new capacity and voltage were before you can say anything.

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  • From Hank Rogers@21:1/5 to Chris on Thu Mar 2 14:44:50 2023
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone

    Chris wrote:
    nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:
    In article <ttqknu$bdt7$2@dont-email.me>, sms
    <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:

    His tone is ridiculous, but the point still remains: Why don't ipads >>>>> have a battery health indicator ipadOS like there is for iphones in
    iOS? Even Macs have that information. So ipads are explicitly
    excluded.

    "Not needed" and "no one wants it".

    LOL, that was a stock answer from one of our favorite trolls.

    nobody said that. your attempt at spinning things has failed.

    Except of
    course it is needed and people do want it!

    some do, some don't. most people don't even know iphones have it.

    The fact that there's a jailbreak tweak for iPadOS in order to get that
    capability is sufficient evidence that a significant number of people do >>> want it,

    jailbreak tweaks are not an indication of anything other than one
    person wanted to write something.

    How else is an iPad users going to know whether or not a problem with
    battery life is an actual battery problem, or some other issue?

    by checking the battery health with an app. it's *very* easy to do.

    It's very hard to mention the name of one of these so called apps, however.


    Probably impossible. But maybe nospam could develop a new app that
    does the job perfectly.

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  • From Chris@21:1/5 to Jolly Roger on Thu Mar 2 20:15:57 2023
    Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
    On 2023-03-02, David Taylor <david-taylor@blueyonder.co.uk.invalid> wrote:
    On 02/03/2023 12:35, Chris wrote:

    His tone is ridiculous, but the point still remains: Why don't ipads
    have a battery health indicator ipadOS like there is for iphones in
    iOS? Even Macs have that information. So ipads are explicitly
    excluded.

    Agreed - it would be a useful feature.

    A "nice to have", sure. But unless you are an obsessive helicopter
    parent to your battery

    It's called maintenance. Like checking the oil or water levels in your car.


    by the time you are checking battery health, you
    already know your battery isn't performing the way it used to

    No you don't. Like in my case it could be a rogue application that is
    churning through cpu.

    A battery health indicator would be a good diagnostic.

    which
    means it's probably time to replace it. Looking at an estimate
    percentage isn't going to change that.

    Sure it will.

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  • From sms@21:1/5 to Bugsy on Thu Mar 2 12:29:38 2023
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone

    On 3/2/2023 12:09 PM, Bugsy wrote:
    sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:

    Do you know which of the pc apps might do the test with a charged battery? >>
    No way to do that. These tests are empirical, measuring time to charge
    and then time to discharge.

    I'll let it discharge. How low should I let it go?
    Then which pc apps can you suggest I use to test the battery health status?

    PC apps?

    I thought you wanted to test the iPad battery. I posted one such app
    earlier. I've never used it but it is highly rated. It just can't do
    what the built in battery health testing can do.

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  • From Alan Browne@21:1/5 to Bugsy on Thu Mar 2 15:42:21 2023
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone

    On 2023-03-02 15:09, Bugsy wrote:
    sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:

    Do you know which of the pc apps might do the test with a charged battery? >>
    No way to do that. These tests are empirical, measuring time to charge
    and then time to discharge.

    I'll let it discharge. How low should I let it go?

    From time to time there is no problem letting it go to 0% - because
    that "zero" is well above the battery "physical zero".

    Letting it get to 0% will also improve the future indication of charge
    level by giving the battery charge algo new data points. I manage that
    by circumstances or accident at least a couple times per year...

    Generally avoid less than 20% charge though.

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  • From nospam@21:1/5 to scharf.steven@geemail.com on Thu Mar 2 16:22:09 2023
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone

    In article <ttqnio$bqfm$2@dont-email.me>, sms
    <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:


    But understand that the way that iOS determines battery health includes
    the hardware measuring the impedance of the battery. As the impedance
    goes up battery life decreases. There is no way that an app can
    duplicate this.

    as usual, you are wrong.

    battery health is reported by the controller on the battery itself.
    apps only need to query it.

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  • From nospam@21:1/5 to bugsy@zimage.comBUGSY on Thu Mar 2 16:22:07 2023
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone

    In article <ttqlsh$20vr8$1@paganini.bofh.team>, Bugsy
    <bugsy@zimage.comBUGSY> wrote:

    It's old but I would still like to know the battery health status.

    then use one of several apps to find out.

    Which apps please. I'll try it.

    imazing and coconut battery are two. the former has a windows version.

    <https://i.insider.com/6218514dd80ca400192d1045>

    <https://www.coconut-flavour.com/coconutbattery/assets/img/BigSur/3.9.2_ bigsur_menubar_light.png> <https://www.coconut-flavour.com/coconutbattery/assets/img/BigSur/3.9.2_ bigsur_history.png>

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  • From nospam@21:1/5 to All on Thu Mar 2 16:22:12 2023
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone

    In article <ttqt0r$cdag$2@dont-email.me>, Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com>
    wrote:


    How else is an iPad users going to know whether or not a problem with
    battery life is an actual battery problem, or some other issue?

    by checking the battery health with an app. it's *very* easy to do.

    It's very hard to mention the name of one of these so called apps, however.

    nobody asked what they were until earlier today. see other post for
    specifics.

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  • From nospam@21:1/5 to com.gmail@nospam.scottishwildcat on Thu Mar 2 16:22:11 2023
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone

    In article <ttqlnj$20v6q$1@paganini.bofh.team>, Calum <com.gmail@nospam.scottishwildcat> wrote:

    What you said was that there *is* a battery health status setting on the
    iPad but only *you* know where but you are never going to say where it is.

    nobody said that, certainly not me.

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  • From Chris@21:1/5 to nospam on Thu Mar 2 23:03:52 2023
    nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:
    In article <ttr05t$cnsk$1@dont-email.me>, Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com>
    wrote:

    A "nice to have", sure. But unless you are an obsessive helicopter
    parent to your battery

    It's called maintenance. Like checking the oil or water levels in your car.

    nothing at all like checking oil or water levels since there's nothing
    anyone can do based on the health of the battery, other than replace
    it.

    speaking of cars, how many cars have a battery health indicator?

    Er, all of them.. Recognise this? https://cdn2.iconfinder.com/data/icons/car-dashboard-warning-lights/100/dashboard-24-1024.png

    i've
    never seen one. how does the owner know when to replace the battery,
    other than it won't start on a cold winter morning?

    You're lack of observation skills isn't the question here.

    there are aftermarket load and conductance testers that measure the
    health of a vehicle battery, but few people have such a device. what
    they end up doing is going to a repair shop or an auto parts store, the latter of which will run a test for free and then try to sell you a new battery, but at least you can see the numbers.


    by the time you are checking battery health, you
    already know your battery isn't performing the way it used to

    No you don't. Like in my case it could be a rogue application that is
    churning through cpu.

    A battery health indicator would be a good diagnostic.

    battery health doesn't show *which* apps are using battery. it's just a number representing its overall condition.

    If it's such a useless number why does macOS and iOS make it available?
    Clearly people want to know and the information is there, just hidden.

    Stop telling people they don't need what they're asking for. It's very conceited.

    app-specific usage information *is* available on an ipad (and iphone),
    and has been for *years*.

    Thanks captain obvious.

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  • From Chris@21:1/5 to nospam on Thu Mar 2 22:49:05 2023
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone

    nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:
    In article <ttqlsh$20vr8$1@paganini.bofh.team>, Bugsy
    <bugsy@zimage.comBUGSY> wrote:

    It's old but I would still like to know the battery health status.

    then use one of several apps to find out.

    Which apps please. I'll try it.

    imazing and coconut battery are two. the former has a windows version.

    <https://i.insider.com/6218514dd80ca400192d1045>

    <https://www.coconut-flavour.com/coconutbattery/assets/img/BigSur/3.9.2_ bigsur_menubar_light.png> <https://www.coconut-flavour.com/coconutbattery/assets/img/BigSur/3.9.2_ bigsur_history.png>

    So you need a separate device to check the battery? Very odd.

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  • From Jolly Roger@21:1/5 to nospam on Thu Mar 2 23:51:43 2023
    On 2023-03-02, nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:
    In article <ttr05t$cnsk$1@dont-email.me>, Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com>
    wrote:

    A "nice to have", sure. But unless you are an obsessive helicopter
    parent to your battery

    It's called maintenance. Like checking the oil or water levels in
    your car.

    nothing at all like checking oil or water levels since there's nothing
    anyone can do based on the health of the battery, other than replace
    it.

    Yep, you can't refill battery storage capacity, and there is no danger
    of running out of capacity anyway. It's a relatively meaningless gauge
    in that respect. There's not much of a reason to even look at it until
    the day your battery stops performing as well as you'd like it to
    (within reason, obviously).

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  • From gtr@21:1/5 to Chris on Thu Mar 2 15:54:05 2023
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone

    On 2023-03-02 22:49:05 +0000, Chris said:

    It's old but I would still like to know the battery health status.

    then use one of several apps to find out.

    Which apps please. I'll try it.

    imazing and coconut battery are two. the former has a windows version.

    <https://i.insider.com/6218514dd80ca400192d1045>

    <https://www.coconut-flavour.com/coconutbattery/assets/img/BigSur/3.9.2_
    bigsur_menubar_light.png>
    <https://www.coconut-flavour.com/coconutbattery/assets/img/BigSur/3.9.2_
    bigsur_history.png>

    So you need a separate device to check the battery? Very odd.

    Not only do you need a separate device, but iMazing is 201.17 MB after
    being installed on the Windows PC and it brings along a bunch of daemons. https://imazing.com/guides/how-to-check-iphone-ipad-battery-health-and-diagnostics

    Coconut doesn't work on the Windows PC. https://www.coconut-flavour.com/coconutbattery/

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  • From Jolly Roger@21:1/5 to Chris on Thu Mar 2 23:56:19 2023
    On 2023-03-02, Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> wrote:
    nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:
    In article <ttr05t$cnsk$1@dont-email.me>, Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com>
    wrote:

    A "nice to have", sure. But unless you are an obsessive helicopter
    parent to your battery

    It's called maintenance. Like checking the oil or water levels in
    your car.

    nothing at all like checking oil or water levels since there's
    nothing anyone can do based on the health of the battery, other than
    replace it.

    speaking of cars, how many cars have a battery health indicator?

    Er, all of them.. Recognise this? https://cdn2.iconfinder.com/data/icons/car-dashboard-warning-lights/100/dashboard-24-1024.png

    iPhones already have that: <https://i.imgur.com/GgHShfo.jpg>

    by the time you are checking battery health, you already know your
    battery isn't performing the way it used to

    No you don't. Like in my case it could be a rogue application that
    is churning through cpu.

    A battery health indicator would be a good diagnostic.

    battery health doesn't show *which* apps are using battery. it's just
    a number representing its overall condition.

    If it's such a useless number why does macOS and iOS make it
    available? Clearly people want to know and the information is there,
    just hidden.

    He didn't say it was useless - you did.

    Stop telling people they don't need what they're asking for. It's very conceited.

    Stop exaggerating the usefulness of battery health estimates. It's very irrational.

    app-specific usage information *is* available on an ipad (and
    iphone), and has been for *years*.

    Thanks captain obvious.

    You're the one that brought it up.

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  • From nospam@21:1/5 to All on Thu Mar 2 18:54:42 2023
    In article <ttra0o$dop0$1@dont-email.me>, Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com>
    wrote:

    speaking of cars, how many cars have a battery health indicator?

    Er, all of them.. Recognise this?

    https://cdn2.iconfinder.com/data/icons/car-dashboard-warning-lights/100/dashbo
    ard-24-1024.png

    where's the numeric health value?

    that's a low voltage indicator, much like when the battery icon in the
    status bar of a computer or phone turns red when it's state of charge
    is low.

    determining the *health* of a vehicle's battery requires either an old
    school load tester or a much easier to use conductance tester. in the
    second image, soh is state of health and r is the internal resistance.

    <https://m.media-amazon.com/images/I/81k8tttg31L._AC_SL1500_.jpg> <https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/XEIAAOSwXppjM7gZ/s-l1600.jpg>



    No you don't. Like in my case it could be a rogue application that is
    churning through cpu.

    A battery health indicator would be a good diagnostic.

    battery health doesn't show *which* apps are using battery. it's just a number representing its overall condition.

    If it's such a useless number why does macOS and iOS make it available? Clearly people want to know and the information is there, just hidden.

    nobody said it was a useless number. that's you making up shit again.

    i have no idea why ipads don't show it, nor do you or anyone else
    (outside of a small number of people at apple, and they ain't telling).

    however, that information is *not* hidden.

    it *is* available, it just requires an app on a mac or windows pc to
    read what the battery is reporting.

    it may be possible for a third party app to query it directly but i
    haven't looked into the specifics since there is already an easy to use solution.

    yes, it would be nice if a separate app wasn't needed, but it's not a
    big deal in the grand scheme of things.

    Stop telling people they don't need what they're asking for. It's very conceited.

    again, nobody said it wasn't needed.

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  • From Jolly Roger@21:1/5 to Chris on Thu Mar 2 23:49:56 2023
    On 2023-03-02, Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> wrote:
    Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
    On 2023-03-02, David Taylor <david-taylor@blueyonder.co.uk.invalid> wrote: >>> On 02/03/2023 12:35, Chris wrote:

    His tone is ridiculous, but the point still remains: Why don't
    ipads have a battery health indicator ipadOS like there is for
    iphones in iOS? Even Macs have that information. So ipads are
    explicitly excluded.

    Agreed - it would be a useful feature.

    A "nice to have", sure. But unless you are an obsessive helicopter
    parent to your battery

    It's called maintenance. Like checking the oil or water levels in your
    car.

    No, it's a compulsory obsession and a waste of time.

    by the time you are checking battery health, you already know your
    battery isn't performing the way it used to

    No you don't.

    Of course you do.

    Like in my case it could be a rogue application that is churning
    through cpu.

    Nope, the OS already tracks application energy usage, and it is
    available in Settings > Battery.

    A battery health indicator would be a good diagnostic.

    It'd be a nice-to-have feature for some people, and an excuse to stress
    and babysit the device rather than just getting shit done for many
    others.

    which means it's probably time to replace it. Looking at an estimate
    percentage isn't going to change that.

    Sure it will.

    Nope.


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  • From Bugsy@21:1/5 to sms on Thu Mar 2 23:24:07 2023
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone

    sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:

    I'll let it discharge. How low should I let it go?
    Then which pc apps can you suggest I use to test the battery health status?

    PC apps?

    The other fellow who said that the battery health status was on the ipad waffled later on that but he said there were pc apps that do check the
    battery health of the iPad (presumably using the impedence method).

    I thought you wanted to test the iPad battery. I posted one such app
    earlier. I've never used it but it is highly rated. It just can't do
    what the built in battery health testing can do.

    The other fellow said it was on the pc too.

    Here is what the other fellow said.

    I'm just trying to find that pc app he's talking about.

    Do you know what pc app he is saying I should use to check the battery
    health status on my iPad?


    From: nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid>
    Newsgroups: comp.mobile.ipad,misc.phone.mobile.iphone
    Subject: Re: lack of battery health & charging info on your iPad
    Date: Thu, 02 Mar 2023 12:10:11 -0500
    Message-ID: <020320231210116436%nospam@nospam.invalid>

    In article <ttql4r$20t7v$1@paganini.bofh.team>, Bugsy
    <bugsy@zimage.comBUGSY> wrote:

    My older iPad is shutting down a lot when it's cold inside the house.

    turn on the heat.

    I could use an easy battery health feedback on the iPad

    there are apps for mac & windows, or just take it to an apple store and
    have them run a full suite of diagnostics.
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  • From Jolly Roger@21:1/5 to gtr on Thu Mar 2 23:59:56 2023
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone

    On 2023-03-02, gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> wrote:
    On 2023-03-02 22:49:05 +0000, Chris said:

    It's old but I would still like to know the battery health
    status.

    then use one of several apps to find out.

    Which apps please. I'll try it.

    imazing and coconut battery are two. the former has a windows
    version.

    <https://i.insider.com/6218514dd80ca400192d1045>

    <https://www.coconut-flavour.com/coconutbattery/assets/img/BigSur/3.9.2_ >>> bigsur_menubar_light.png>
    <https://www.coconut-flavour.com/coconutbattery/assets/img/BigSur/3.9.2_ >>> bigsur_history.png>

    So you need a separate device to check the battery? Very odd.

    Not only do you need a separate device, but iMazing is 201.17 MB after
    being installed on the Windows PC

    A whole 200 megabytes?!? Oh, my! : D

    and it brings along a bunch of daemons.

    Nah, just one daemon is responsible for battery monitoring.

    You're just looking for any old reason to shoot it down.

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  • From nospam@21:1/5 to jollyroger@pobox.com on Thu Mar 2 19:03:53 2023
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone

    In article <k6crjrFq6i1U4@mid.individual.net>, Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:


    Not only do you need a separate device, but iMazing is 201.17 MB after being installed on the Windows PC

    A whole 200 megabytes?!? Oh, my! : D

    eight (8) terabyte drives are currently around ~$100, so that's a
    whopping 1/4 of a cent in storage costs.

    and it brings along a bunch of daemons.

    Nah, just one daemon is responsible for battery monitoring.

    and idle if nothing is connected.

    You're just looking for any old reason to shoot it down.

    yep.

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  • From gtr@21:1/5 to nospam on Thu Mar 2 16:24:59 2023
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone

    On 2023-03-02 16:03:53 +0000, nospam said:

    Not only do you need a separate device, but iMazing is 201.17 MB after
    being installed on the Windows PC

    A whole 200 megabytes?!? Oh, my! : D

    eight (8) terabyte drives are currently around ~$100, so that's a
    whopping 1/4 of a cent in storage costs.

    Whoosh.

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  • From gtr@21:1/5 to Jolly Roger on Thu Mar 2 16:24:31 2023
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone

    On 2023-03-02 23:59:56 +0000, Jolly Roger said:

    and it brings along a bunch of daemons.

    Nah, just one daemon is responsible for battery monitoring.

    It added three.

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  • From sms@21:1/5 to Bugsy on Fri Mar 3 17:50:38 2023
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone

    On 3/2/2023 3:24 PM, Bugsy wrote:
    sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:

    I'll let it discharge. How low should I let it go?
    Then which pc apps can you suggest I use to test the battery health status? >>
    PC apps?

    The other fellow who said that the battery health status was on the ipad waffled later on that but he said there were pc apps that do check the battery health of the iPad (presumably using the impedence method).

    I thought you wanted to test the iPad battery. I posted one such app
    earlier. I've never used it but it is highly rated. It just can't do
    what the built in battery health testing can do.

    The other fellow said it was on the pc too.

    Here is what the other fellow said.

    I'm just trying to find that pc app he's talking about.

    Do you know what pc app he is saying I should use to check the battery
    health status on my iPad?

    LOL, nospam makes up a lot of stuff and never uses cites or references.
    Forget it. There is no way to measure the impedance of an iPad battery
    using a Windows PC.

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  • From nospam@21:1/5 to scharf.steven@geemail.com on Fri Mar 3 21:56:21 2023
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone

    In article <ttu85d$pfhc$1@dont-email.me>, sms
    <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:

    LOL, nospam makes up a lot of stuff and never uses cites or references.

    talking about yourself again.

    Forget it. There is no way to measure the impedance of an iPad battery
    using a Windows PC.

    as usual, you're moving the goalposts. nobody said anything about
    measuring the impedance of a battery.

    the question is *battery* *health* (related, but not the same thing),
    and there *are* ways to determine it from a mac or windows pc.

    specific apps were mentioned, so you're wrong twice.

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  • From Bugsy@21:1/5 to nospam on Fri Mar 3 21:09:43 2023
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone

    nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:

    In article <ttu85d$pfhc$1@dont-email.me>, sms
    <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:

    LOL, nospam makes up a lot of stuff and never uses cites or references.

    talking about yourself again.

    Forget it. There is no way to measure the impedance of an iPad battery
    using a Windows PC.

    as usual, you're moving the goalposts. nobody said anything about
    measuring the impedance of a battery.

    the question is *battery* *health* (related, but not the same thing),
    and there *are* ways to determine it from a mac or windows pc.

    specific apps were mentioned, so you're wrong twice.

    I think what he was saying is that he can get battery information on the
    iPad using an app or program but to get the kind of impedance based battery health status that the iPhone gets, there's no way for the iPad to get it.

    Even with an iOS app or pc or mac program.
    Is that right?

    If so, the best I can do is use the iOS apps or pc program but before I
    install them, it would be best to know the answer to that question of what
    I'm getting in terms of accurate useful information compared to iPhones.
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  • From nospam@21:1/5 to bugsy@zimage.comBUGSY on Fri Mar 3 23:25:56 2023
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone

    In article <ttucpb$2mdsc$1@paganini.bofh.team>, Bugsy
    <bugsy@zimage.comBUGSY> wrote:


    In article <ttu85d$pfhc$1@dont-email.me>, sms
    <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:
    Forget it. There is no way to measure the impedance of an iPad battery
    using a Windows PC.

    as usual, you're moving the goalposts. nobody said anything about
    measuring the impedance of a battery.

    the question is *battery* *health* (related, but not the same thing),
    and there *are* ways to determine it from a mac or windows pc.

    specific apps were mentioned, so you're wrong twice.

    I think what he was saying is that he can get battery information on the
    iPad using an app or program but to get the kind of impedance based battery health status that the iPhone gets, there's no way for the iPad to get it.

    more goalpost movement.

    Even with an iOS app or pc or mac program.
    Is that right?

    no.

    If so, the best I can do is use the iOS apps or pc program but before I install them, it would be best to know the answer to that question of what I'm getting in terms of accurate useful information compared to iPhones.

    battery health can be obtained by using a mac or windows app.

    for some reason known only to apple, battery health can't currently be displayed on the ipad itself, whereas it can be displayed on iphones
    and macs (and presumably ipod touches).

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  • From Ant@21:1/5 to nospam on Sat Mar 4 13:51:08 2023
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone

    In misc.phone.mobile.iphone nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:
    ...
    If so, the best I can do is use the iOS apps or pc program but before I install them, it would be best to know the answer to that question of what I'm getting in terms of accurate useful information compared to iPhones.

    battery health can be obtained by using a mac or windows app.

    for some reason known only to apple, battery health can't currently be displayed on the ipad itself, whereas it can be displayed on iphones
    and macs (and presumably ipod touches).

    I never understood why Apple did this. Same for its missing weather iOS app in iPads.
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  • From Alan Browne@21:1/5 to Ant on Sat Mar 4 11:09:09 2023
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone

    On 2023-03-04 08:51, Ant wrote:
    In misc.phone.mobile.iphone nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:
    ...
    If so, the best I can do is use the iOS apps or pc program but before I
    install them, it would be best to know the answer to that question of what >>> I'm getting in terms of accurate useful information compared to iPhones.

    battery health can be obtained by using a mac or windows app.

    for some reason known only to apple, battery health can't currently be
    displayed on the ipad itself, whereas it can be displayed on iphones
    and macs (and presumably ipod touches).

    I never understood why Apple did this. Same for its missing weather iOS app in iPads.

    More perverse is the lack of the Apple calculator app.

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    danger to American democracy.”
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  • From *Hemidactylus*@21:1/5 to Alan Browne on Sat Mar 4 17:07:07 2023
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone

    Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:
    On 2023-03-04 08:51, Ant wrote:
    In misc.phone.mobile.iphone nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:
    ...
    If so, the best I can do is use the iOS apps or pc program but before I >>>> install them, it would be best to know the answer to that question of what >>>> I'm getting in terms of accurate useful information compared to iPhones. >>
    battery health can be obtained by using a mac or windows app.

    for some reason known only to apple, battery health can't currently be
    displayed on the ipad itself, whereas it can be displayed on iphones
    and macs (and presumably ipod touches).

    I never understood why Apple did this. Same for its missing weather iOS app in iPads.

    More perverse is the lack of the Apple calculator app.

    Why would anyone want to do calculations on an iPad?

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  • From Alan Browne@21:1/5 to All on Sat Mar 4 12:32:29 2023
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone

    On 2023-03-04 12:07, *Hemidactylus* wrote:
    Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:
    On 2023-03-04 08:51, Ant wrote:
    In misc.phone.mobile.iphone nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:
    ...
    If so, the best I can do is use the iOS apps or pc program but before I >>>>> install them, it would be best to know the answer to that question of what
    I'm getting in terms of accurate useful information compared to iPhones. >>>
    battery health can be obtained by using a mac or windows app.

    for some reason known only to apple, battery health can't currently be >>>> displayed on the ipad itself, whereas it can be displayed on iphones
    and macs (and presumably ipod touches).

    I never understood why Apple did this. Same for its missing weather iOS app in iPads.

    More perverse is the lack of the Apple calculator app.

    Why would anyone want to do calculations on an iPad?

    I know, I know. Complete lunacy. Overreach. Like not respecting it.

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  • From sms@21:1/5 to Ant on Sat Mar 4 10:54:34 2023
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone

    On 3/4/2023 5:51 AM, Ant wrote:
    In misc.phone.mobile.iphone nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:
    ...
    If so, the best I can do is use the iOS apps or pc program but before I
    install them, it would be best to know the answer to that question of what >>> I'm getting in terms of accurate useful information compared to iPhones.

    battery health can be obtained by using a mac or windows app.

    for some reason known only to apple, battery health can't currently be
    displayed on the ipad itself, whereas it can be displayed on iphones
    and macs (and presumably ipod touches).

    I never understood why Apple did this. Same for its missing weather iOS app in iPads.

    At first I thought that perhaps that the iPad lacks the necessary
    hardware to measure the battery impedance. Then I saw that there's a
    jailbreak tweak for the iPad that adds Battery Health. I suppose that
    it's possible that that tweak doesn't include measuring the impedance of
    the battery and only looks at factors like the number of
    charge/discharge cycles and the time since the device was first used.

    There could also be factors related to sales and marketing
    considerations. If the owner was aware that the reason for performance
    and runtime could be the battery then they might be more likely to opt
    for battery replacement than buying a new iPad.

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  • From nospam@21:1/5 to scharf.steven@geemail.com on Sat Mar 4 13:57:46 2023
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone

    In article <tu0459$11p1d$1@dont-email.me>, sms
    <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:


    At first I thought that perhaps that the iPad lacks the necessary
    hardware to measure the battery impedance.

    the *battery* reports overall battery health (not specifically
    impedance, which you're trying to use as a diversion).

    Then I saw that there's a
    jailbreak tweak for the iPad that adds Battery Health. I suppose that
    it's possible that that tweak doesn't include measuring the impedance of
    the battery and only looks at factors like the number of
    charge/discharge cycles and the time since the device was first used.

    you suppose a lot, most of which is not true.

    There could also be factors related to sales and marketing
    considerations. If the owner was aware that the reason for performance
    and runtime could be the battery then they might be more likely to opt
    for battery replacement than buying a new iPad.

    that's an easily debunked conspiracy theory.

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  • From Jolly Roger@21:1/5 to sms on Sat Mar 4 19:17:22 2023
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone

    On 2023-03-04, sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:
    If the owner was aware that the reason for performance and runtime
    could be the battery then they might be more likely to opt for battery replacement than buying a new iPad.

    "Gee, my iPad's battery doesn't last as long as it used to, but since
    there is no "Battery Health" displayed, I guess I'll just throw my iPad
    away and spend hundreds more to get a new device rather than having its
    batter replaced."

    Sure, sure.

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    JR

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  • From Bugsy@21:1/5 to sms on Sat Mar 4 13:34:59 2023
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone

    sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:

    I never understood why Apple did this. Same for its missing weather iOS app in iPads.

    At first I thought that perhaps that the iPad lacks the necessary
    hardware to measure the battery impedance. Then I saw that there's a jailbreak tweak for the iPad that adds Battery Health. I suppose that
    it's possible that that tweak doesn't include measuring the impedance of
    the battery and only looks at factors like the number of
    charge/discharge cycles and the time since the device was first used.

    There could also be factors related to sales and marketing
    considerations. If the owner was aware that the reason for performance
    and runtime could be the battery then they might be more likely to opt
    for battery replacement than buying a new iPad.

    If battery impedance is used for the iPad health tests, by every right the battery impedance tests should be used for the iPad also.

    Can you take a look at my test results to let me know if you think that important battery impedance testing method was used by the PC program?

    Green battery icon shows charging lightning bolt and 100%
    Your battery health is poor. 34% (inside an orange circle)
    Technical Data
    Battery Current Charge: 1859 mAh (88.2%)
    Battery Design Max. Charge: 6274 mAh
    Battery Effective Max. Charge: 2108 mAh (33.6%)
    Battery Charge Cycles: 821
    Battery Temperature: 26.2C/79.2F
    Batterv State: Charging (-1.1 Watt)
    Battery Instant Amperage: -287 mA
    Battery Instant Voltage: 3991 mV
    Battery At Warn Level: No
    Battery At Critical Level: No
    Battery Model: 0003-F
    Battery Serial Number: FXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX
    Battery Manufacturer: F
    Battery Avg. Temperature 22.0C/71.6F
    Battery Min. Temperature: 7.0C/44.6F
    Battery Max. Temperature 47.8C/118.0F
    Battery Max. Charge: 2148 mA
    Battery Max. Discharge: -2478 mA
    Charger: usb host
    Charger Watts: 2
    Charger Voltage: 5000 mV
    Charger Amperage -500 mA
    Low battery notification: Never

    What to keep in mind
    Battery Health refers to your battery's Effective Maximum Charge:

    Health Capacity
    Excellent: Battery can hold its full capacity
    Good: Battery can hold between 90% and 99% of its original capacity Average: Battery can hold between 80% and 89% of its original capacity
    Poor: Battery can hold less than 80% of original capacity.
    Consider replacing your battery.

    Is this PC test of the iPad using the battery impedance testing methods
    that the iPhone battery health monitor uses?
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  • From Ant@21:1/5 to ecphoric@allspamis.invalid on Sun Mar 5 02:52:35 2023
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone

    In comp.mobile.ipad *Hemidactylus* <ecphoric@allspamis.invalid> wrote:
    Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:
    On 2023-03-04 08:51, Ant wrote:
    In misc.phone.mobile.iphone nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:
    ...
    If so, the best I can do is use the iOS apps or pc program but before I >>>> install them, it would be best to know the answer to that question of what
    I'm getting in terms of accurate useful information compared to iPhones. >>
    battery health can be obtained by using a mac or windows app.

    for some reason known only to apple, battery health can't currently be >>> displayed on the ipad itself, whereas it can be displayed on iphones
    and macs (and presumably ipod touches).

    I never understood why Apple did this. Same for its missing weather iOS app in iPads.

    More perverse is the lack of the Apple calculator app.

    Why would anyone want to do calculations on an iPad?

    Why not? People with bad eyes like elders. Also, iPads can do fancy calculators.

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  • From Ant@21:1/5 to Alan Browne on Sun Mar 5 02:51:33 2023
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone

    In comp.mobile.ipad Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:
    On 2023-03-04 08:51, Ant wrote:
    In misc.phone.mobile.iphone nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:
    ...
    If so, the best I can do is use the iOS apps or pc program but before I >>> install them, it would be best to know the answer to that question of what
    I'm getting in terms of accurate useful information compared to iPhones.

    battery health can be obtained by using a mac or windows app.

    for some reason known only to apple, battery health can't currently be
    displayed on the ipad itself, whereas it can be displayed on iphones
    and macs (and presumably ipod touches).

    I never understood why Apple did this. Same for its missing weather iOS app in iPads.

    More perverse is the lack of the Apple calculator app.

    That too!
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  • From nospam@21:1/5 to ant@zimage.comANT on Sat Mar 4 21:58:25 2023
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone

    In article <3M-dnV0NGr1unpn5nZ2dnZfqnPoAAAAA@earthlink.com>, Ant <ant@zimage.comANT> wrote:

    Why would anyone want to do calculations on an iPad?

    Why not? People with bad eyes like elders. Also, iPads can do fancy calculators.

    elders learned math before there were calculators, including memorizing multiplication tables.

    do it in yer head, and get off my lawn.

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  • From sms@21:1/5 to Ant on Sun Mar 5 14:37:13 2023
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone

    On 3/4/2023 6:51 PM, Ant wrote:
    In comp.mobile.ipad Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:
    On 2023-03-04 08:51, Ant wrote:
    In misc.phone.mobile.iphone nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:
    ...
    If so, the best I can do is use the iOS apps or pc program but before I >>>>> install them, it would be best to know the answer to that question of what
    I'm getting in terms of accurate useful information compared to iPhones. >>>
    battery health can be obtained by using a mac or windows app.

    for some reason known only to apple, battery health can't currently be >>>> displayed on the ipad itself, whereas it can be displayed on iphones
    and macs (and presumably ipod touches).

    I never understood why Apple did this. Same for its missing weather iOS app in iPads.

    More perverse is the lack of the Apple calculator app.

    That too!

    Strange, but there are calculator apps available.

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  • From Ant@21:1/5 to sms on Mon Mar 6 00:39:51 2023
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone

    In misc.phone.mobile.iphone sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:
    On 3/4/2023 6:51 PM, Ant wrote:
    In comp.mobile.ipad Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:
    On 2023-03-04 08:51, Ant wrote:
    In misc.phone.mobile.iphone nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:
    ...
    If so, the best I can do is use the iOS apps or pc program but before I >>>>> install them, it would be best to know the answer to that question of what
    I'm getting in terms of accurate useful information compared to iPhones.

    battery health can be obtained by using a mac or windows app.

    for some reason known only to apple, battery health can't currently be >>>> displayed on the ipad itself, whereas it can be displayed on iphones >>>> and macs (and presumably ipod touches).

    I never understood why Apple did this. Same for its missing weather iOS app in iPads.

    More perverse is the lack of the Apple calculator app.

    That too!

    Strange, but there are calculator apps available.

    Yeah, iPhones comes with their own apps and not needing third parties.
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