• Why does Apple insert a unique id into each app you install from the Ap

    From Andy Burnelli@21:1/5 to All on Tue Mar 7 13:51:40 2023
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone

    Given we're talking normal users who install apps from the mothership app store, and given PRIVACY is the same for individuals but DIFFERENT for platforms... this question must be asked & the answer understood by adults.

    FACT:
    *Apple _inserts_ a unique id into _every_ app you install on iOS.*
    Google doesn't.

    ASSESSMENT:
    As an adult, one has to ask why.
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    There are unrelated sideloading & family sharing plan nuances of id detail which the iKooks may deflect to - but which aren't the main point here.

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  • From sobriquet@21:1/5 to Andy Burnelli on Fri Mar 10 16:31:14 2023
    On Tuesday, March 7, 2023 at 2:51:30 PM UTC+1, Andy Burnelli wrote:
    Given we're talking normal users who install apps from the mothership app store, and given PRIVACY is the same for individuals but DIFFERENT for platforms... this question must be asked & the answer understood by adults.

    FACT:
    *Apple _inserts_ a unique id into _every_ app you install on iOS.*
    Google doesn't.

    ASSESSMENT:
    As an adult, one has to ask why.
    --
    There are unrelated sideloading & family sharing plan nuances of id detail which the iKooks may deflect to - but which aren't the main point here.

    Apple is more of a mafia crime syndicate than a tech company.
    Their motive is ripping people off with useless garbage that has been designed to fail. Given how clueless people are, their strategy works very well and they make
    a lot of money. They are the most successful company in history at ripping people
    off.

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  • From Bill W@21:1/5 to Andy Burnelli on Sat Mar 11 17:33:38 2023
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone

    On Mar 07, 2023, Andy Burnelli wrote (in article <news:tu7fgv$27h9$1@paganini.bofh.team>):

    Given we're talking normal users who install apps from the mothership app store, and given PRIVACY is the same for individuals but DIFFERENT for platforms... this question must be asked & the answer understood by adults.

    FACT:
    *Apple _inserts_ a unique id into _every_ app you install on iOS.*
    Google doesn't.

    ASSESSMENT:
    As an adult, one has to ask why.

    Because Apple wants to keep tabs on everything you do with each iOS app.
    Why else do you think they put a number that is only for you into each app? What else could it be for?

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  • From nospam@21:1/5 to nothing@nowhere.com on Sat Mar 11 17:49:20 2023
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone

    In article <tuivjl$1qcen$1@paganini.bofh.team>, Bill W
    <nothing@nowhere.com> wrote:


    Because Apple wants to keep tabs on everything you do with each iOS app.

    they don't care what anyone does with their apps.

    Why else do you think they put a number that is only for you into each app?

    anti-piracy.

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  • From Jolly Roger@21:1/5 to nospam on Sun Mar 12 00:47:56 2023
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone

    On 2023-03-11, nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:
    In article <tuivjl$1qcen$1@paganini.bofh.team>, Bill W
    <nothing@nowhere.com> wrote:

    Because Apple wants to keep tabs on everything you do with each iOS
    app.

    they don't care what anyone does with their apps.

    Why else do you think they put a number that is only for you into
    each app?

    anti-piracy.

    Shh... Bill and his butt-buddy Andy are trying to pretend this is a
    Fact-Free Zone. ; )

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  • From Jolly Roger@21:1/5 to sobriquet on Sun Mar 12 00:49:28 2023
    On 2023-03-12, sobriquet <dohduhdah@yahoo.com> wrote:
    On Saturday, March 11, 2023 at 11:49:22 PM UTC+1, nospam wrote:
    In article <tuivjl$1qcen$1...@paganini.bofh.team>, Bill W
    <not...@nowhere.com> wrote:

    Because Apple wants to keep tabs on everything you do with each iOS
    app.

    they don't care what anyone does with their apps.

    Why else do you think they put a number that is only for you into
    each app?

    anti-piracy.

    Apple are the biggest bunch of pirates

    "WAHHHH!!!"
    Cry harder, Junior.

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  • From sobriquet@21:1/5 to nospam on Sat Mar 11 16:38:19 2023
    On Saturday, March 11, 2023 at 11:49:22 PM UTC+1, nospam wrote:
    In article <tuivjl$1qcen$1...@paganini.bofh.team>, Bill W <not...@nowhere.com> wrote:


    Because Apple wants to keep tabs on everything you do with each iOS app.
    they don't care what anyone does with their apps.
    Why else do you think they put a number that is only for you into each app?
    anti-piracy.

    Apple are the biggest bunch of pirates (with repeated convictions for intellectual
    property theft), but of course they don't like competition from other pirates.

    https://tinyurl.com/5av3cc9k

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  • From nospam@21:1/5 to jollyroger@pobox.com on Sat Mar 11 20:09:28 2023
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone

    In article <k74lpsFgmjtU1@mid.individual.net>, Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:

    In article <tuivjl$1qcen$1@paganini.bofh.team>, Bill W
    <nothing@nowhere.com> wrote:
    Because Apple wants to keep tabs on everything you do with each iOS
    app.

    they don't care what anyone does with their apps.

    Why else do you think they put a number that is only for you into
    each app?

    anti-piracy.

    Shh... Bill and his butt-buddy Andy are trying to pretend this is a
    Fact-Free Zone. ; )

    that's not the real bill.

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  • From alan@21:1/5 to nospam on Sun Mar 12 02:53:04 2023
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone

    On Sat, 11 Mar 2023 17:49:20 -0500, nospam wrote:

    Because Apple wants to keep tabs on everything you do with each iOS app.

    they don't care what anyone does with their apps.

    Why else do you think they put a number that is only for you into each app?

    anti-piracy.

    If it's for anti-piracy, then you have to ask why do even the many free unrestricted apps get that unique number that Apple uses only for you?

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  • From nospam@21:1/5 to All on Sat Mar 11 22:28:27 2023
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone

    In article <tujeqg$2so5p$1@dont-email.me>, alan <bitbucket@nospam.com>
    wrote:


    Why else do you think they put a number that is only for you into each app?

    anti-piracy.

    If it's for anti-piracy, then you have to ask why do even the many free unrestricted apps get that unique number that Apple uses only for you?

    i don't have to ask anything, because unlike you, i know the answer.

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  • From Andy Burnelli@21:1/5 to nospam on Sun Mar 12 05:59:10 2023
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone, alt.privacy

    nospam wrote:


    Why else do you think they put a number that is only for you into each app?

    anti-piracy.

    If it's for anti-piracy, then you have to ask why do even the many free
    unrestricted apps get that unique number that Apple uses only for you?

    i don't have to ask anything, because unlike you, i know the answer.

    That lame excuse of "piracy" is preposterous for free unrestricted apps.

    Only a fool would claim Apple inserted the *unique tracking ID* for any
    purpose other than to *track your activities* given _nobody_ else does this
    but Apple. Not Windows. Not Linux. Not Android. Nobody. Just Apple.

    *Only Apple inserts unique tracking tied directly to you into _every_ app*

    Piracy isn't even possible for unrestricted free apps, nospam.
    That you're completely unaware of that basic fact is no longer shocking.

    What nospam _hates_ is he actually does know _why_ only Apple inserts a
    unique tracking ID tied exclusively to you, into every app you install.

    *Even Google and Microsoft don't stoop that low, nospam*

    The problem for nospam is he can't come up with any other excuse for why.

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  • From Jolly Roger@21:1/5 to alan on Sun Mar 12 18:02:24 2023
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone, alt.privacy

    On 2023-03-12, alan <bitbucket@nospam.com> wrote:
    On 12 Mar 2023 17:20:37 GMT, Jolly Roger wrote:

    Wrong, since most free apps have optional in-app purchases which
    naturally require a valid App Store account in order to work.

    How is that any different than a free app on Android from Google Play?
    Why do you think Google doesn't insert a unique tracking id like
    Apple?

    How do you know Google doesn't?

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  • From Jolly Roger@21:1/5 to Andy Burnelli on Sun Mar 12 17:20:37 2023
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone, alt.privacy

    On 2023-03-12, Andy Burnelli <nospam@nospam.net> wrote:
    nospam wrote:

    Why else do you think they put a number that is only for you into
    each app?

    anti-piracy.

    If it's for anti-piracy, then you have to ask why do even the many
    free unrestricted apps get that unique number that Apple uses only
    for you?

    i don't have to ask anything, because unlike you, i know the answer.

    That lame excuse of "piracy" is preposterous for free unrestricted
    apps.

    Wrong, since most free apps have optional in-app purchases which
    naturally require a valid App Store account in order to work.

    Only a fool would claim Apple inserted the *unique tracking ID* for
    any

    As you well know, it's not a tracking ID. You're lying as usual in order
    to troll.

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  • From nospam@21:1/5 to jollyroger@pobox.com on Sun Mar 12 14:07:01 2023
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone, alt.privacy

    In article <k76fv5Fou7hU5@mid.individual.net>, Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:

    Why else do you think they put a number that is only for you into
    each app?

    anti-piracy.

    If it's for anti-piracy, then you have to ask why do even the many
    free unrestricted apps get that unique number that Apple uses only
    for you?

    i don't have to ask anything, because unlike you, i know the answer.

    That lame excuse of "piracy" is preposterous for free unrestricted
    apps.

    Wrong, since most free apps have optional in-app purchases which
    naturally require a valid App Store account in order to work.

    true, but the reason goes back before in-app purchases (another ios
    first that the trolls ignore).

    developers set the price of their apps, which can change at any time
    for any reason, most commonly for promotional purposes.

    that means that a paid app can instantly become a free app and a free
    app can instantly become a paid app.

    it should be obvious why it works the way it does, at least to those
    who aren't trolls.

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  • From alan@21:1/5 to Jolly Roger on Sun Mar 12 17:26:28 2023
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone, alt.privacy

    On 12 Mar 2023 17:20:37 GMT, Jolly Roger wrote:

    Wrong, since most free apps have optional in-app purchases which
    naturally require a valid App Store account in order to work.

    How is that any different than a free app on Android from Google Play?
    Why do you think Google doesn't insert a unique tracking id like Apple?

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  • From Jolly Roger@21:1/5 to nospam on Sun Mar 12 20:20:45 2023
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone, alt.privacy

    On 2023-03-12, nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:
    In article <k76fv5Fou7hU5@mid.individual.net>, Jolly Roger
    <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:

    Why else do you think they put a number that is only for you into
    each app?

    anti-piracy.

    If it's for anti-piracy, then you have to ask why do even the many
    free unrestricted apps get that unique number that Apple uses only
    for you?

    i don't have to ask anything, because unlike you, i know the answer.

    That lame excuse of "piracy" is preposterous for free unrestricted
    apps.

    Wrong, since most free apps have optional in-app purchases which
    naturally require a valid App Store account in order to work.

    true, but the reason goes back before in-app purchases (another ios
    first that the trolls ignore).

    developers set the price of their apps, which can change at any time
    for any reason, most commonly for promotional purposes.

    that means that a paid app can instantly become a free app and a free
    app can instantly become a paid app.

    it should be obvious why it works the way it does, at least to those
    who aren't trolls.

    Indeed. This entire thread is a troll by the usual resident trolls.

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  • From nospam@21:1/5 to nospam@nospam.net on Sun Mar 12 16:21:35 2023
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone, alt.privacy

    In article <tulc02$26sad$1@paganini.bofh.team>, Andy Burnelli <nospam@nospam.net> wrote:


    it should be obvious why it works the way it does, at least to those

    You're right it should be obvious why _only Apple_ does this.

    it's not just apple, and you're admitting you aren't smart enough to
    understand why.

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  • From Andy Burnelli@21:1/5 to nospam on Sun Mar 12 20:17:19 2023
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone, alt.privacy

    nospam wrote:

    it should be obvious why it works the way it does, at least to those

    You're right it should be obvious why _only Apple_ does this.
    Nobody else.

    Not Google.
    Not M$.
    *Just Apple*

    HINT: *Only Apple inserts a unique-to-you ID into _every_ single app*.

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  • From Scott Lurndal@21:1/5 to Andy Burnelli on Sun Mar 12 22:22:18 2023
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone, alt.privacy

    Andy Burnelli writes:

    nospam wrote:

    it should be obvious why it works the way it does, at least to those

    You're right it should be obvious why _only Apple_ does this.
    Nobody else.

    Not Google.
    Not M$.
    *Just Apple*

    HINT: *Only Apple inserts a unique-to-you ID into _every_ single app*.

    If apple is tracking you and using that data for profit, then it's no
    wonder they're more profitable than Google or Microsoft who doesn't benefit from tracking activities by the app actions you make of your own free will.

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  • From Andy Burnelli@21:1/5 to Jolly Roger on Sun Mar 12 22:36:39 2023
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone, alt.privacy

    Jolly Roger wrote:

    This entire thread is a troll

    It's clear you are _desperate_ for this question of fact to be deflected.
    ...Hence...
    You call all factual questions you _hate_ about Apple, a troll Jolly Roger.

    Apple is a religion to you... and therefore, you _hate_ all facts about it.
    In fact, you _fear_ this fact, don't you Jolly Roger...

    *What you fear are facts*

    You hate facts.
    You fear facts.

    And yet, you have no adult defense to the fact this is, indeed, a fact!
    *What you _hate_ is the fact that Apple _is_ doing this.*

    You can't deny that fact.
    As much as you _wish_ you could deny it.
    You can't.

    So all you _can_ do, Jolly Roger, is fear facts and hate facts.

    *All true facts that you _hate_ about Apple*
    *You call a troll*

    FACT:
    You have no defense to the fact that it _is_ a fact Apple does this.

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  • From Alan Browne@21:1/5 to Scott Lurndal on Sun Mar 12 16:37:52 2023
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone, alt.privacy

    On 2023-03-12 16:22, Scott Lurndal wrote:

    If apple is tracking you and using that data for profit, then it's no

    They're not. Stated publicly. And as a publicly traded company that has consequences if a lie.

    wonder they're more profitable than Google or Microsoft who doesn't benefit

    They are a fantastically popular brand and they are vertically
    integrated (and more and more so with each passing few years). They
    command premium prices and realize high margins.

    They don't need to "traffic" in their client's data because the product
    is the physical thing they sell.

    from tracking activities by the app actions you make of your own free will.

    There are so many companies attempting to track you via your use of your
    phone (and other devices) that your head should spin. This includes on
    Apple devices and is why Apple put in as many roadblocks to such as they
    can manage.

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  • From Jolly Roger@21:1/5 to Andy Burnelli on Sun Mar 12 21:08:27 2023
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone, alt.privacy

    On 2023-03-12, Andy Burnelli <nospam@nospam.net> wrote:
    Jolly Roger wrote:

    This entire thread is a troll

    It's clear you are _desperate_ for this question of fact to be deflected.
    ...Hence...
    You call all factual questions you _hate_ about Apple, a troll Jolly Roger.

    Apple is a religion to you... and therefore, you _hate_ all facts about it. In fact, you _fear_ this fact, don't you Jolly Roger...

    *What you fear are facts*

    You hate facts.
    You fear facts.

    And yet, you have no adult defense to the fact this is, indeed, a fact!
    *What you _hate_ is the fact that Apple _is_ doing this.*

    You can't deny that fact.
    As much as you _wish_ you could deny it.
    You can't.

    So all you _can_ do, Jolly Roger, is fear facts and hate facts.

    *All true facts that you _hate_ about Apple*
    *You call a troll*

    FACT:
    You have no defense to the fact that it _is_ a fact Apple does this.

    ...says the loser who literally has no life outside of trolling.

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  • From RonTheGuy@21:1/5 to Alan Browne on Mon Mar 13 03:53:28 2023
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone, alt.privacy

    On Mar 13, 2023, Alan Browne wrote
    (in article<news:BKqPL.1400567$iS99.1124958@fx16.iad>):

    If apple is tracking you and using that data for profit, then it's no

    They're not. Stated publicly. And as a publicly traded company that has consequences if a lie.

    Apple tells a lot of lies. And Apple gets caught a lot for their lies.
    Apple just has the means to pay for their lies when they do get caught.

    Ron, the humblest guy in town.

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  • From Alan Browne@21:1/5 to RonTheGuy on Sun Mar 12 19:02:26 2023
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone, alt.privacy

    On 2023-03-12 18:23, RonTheGuy wrote:
    On Mar 13, 2023, Alan Browne wrote
    (in article<news:BKqPL.1400567$iS99.1124958@fx16.iad>):

    If apple is tracking you and using that data for profit, then it's no

    They're not. Stated publicly. And as a publicly traded company that has
    consequences if a lie.

    Apple tells a lot of lies. And Apple gets caught a lot for their lies.
    Apple just has the means to pay for their lies when they do get caught.

    Working on my backhand: So.

    Show us where Apple are "tracking you and using that data for profit".

    --
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    danger to American democracy.”
    - J Michael Luttig - 2022-06-16
    - Former US appellate court judge (R) testifying to the January 6
    committee

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  • From nospam@21:1/5 to ron@null.invalid on Sun Mar 12 19:02:30 2023
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone, alt.privacy

    In article <1ltx5w32jh63w$.dlg@news.solani.org>, RonTheGuy
    <ron@null.invalid> wrote:

    Apple tells a lot of lies. And Apple gets caught a lot for their lies.

    that is simply false.

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  • From nospam@21:1/5 to neil@myplaceofwork.com on Mon Mar 13 10:28:43 2023
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone, alt.privacy

    In article <tunbe7$3ptre$1@dont-email.me>, Neil
    <neil@myplaceofwork.com> wrote:

    those billions in lawsuit settlements were not admissions of lies

    correct

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  • From Neil@21:1/5 to nospam on Mon Mar 13 10:20:05 2023
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone, alt.privacy

    On 3/12/2023 7:02 PM, nospam wrote:
    Apple tells a lot of lies. And Apple gets caught a lot for their lies.

    that is simply false.

    Saying those billions in lawsuit settlements were not admissions of lies is true but there isn't anyone (not even Apple) who believes that but you.
    --
    best regards,

    Neil

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  • From RonTheGuy@21:1/5 to Alan Browne on Mon Mar 13 06:23:44 2023
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone, alt.privacy

    On Mar 12, 2023, Alan Browne wrote
    (in article<news:7SsPL.1886361$GNG9.1136399@fx18.iad>):

    Show us where Apple are "tracking you and using that data for profit".

    I wasn't saying Apple tracks us. I was disagreeing that Apple doesn't lie.

    The only difference between nospam lying & Apple lying is when Apple gets
    sued, they have enough money to settle lawsuits without admitting guilt.

    As for tracking, I don't know why only Apple puts the id in the apps but
    it's not because they're worried that free apps may not get their money.

    There is a reason. And it's special to Apple alone. But I don't know why.
    Why do you think only Apple adds your id number into every app you install?

    Ron, the humblest guy in town.

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  • From nospam@21:1/5 to ron@null.invalid on Mon Mar 13 10:49:48 2023
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone, alt.privacy

    In article <v9zbrhvmb0og.dlg@news.solani.org>, RonTheGuy
    <ron@null.invalid> wrote:

    Why do you think only Apple adds your id number into every app you install?

    it ain't just apple.

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  • From Alan Browne@21:1/5 to RonTheGuy on Mon Mar 13 10:42:12 2023
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone, alt.privacy

    On 2023-03-13 10:23, RonTheGuy wrote:
    On Mar 12, 2023, Alan Browne wrote
    (in article<news:7SsPL.1886361$GNG9.1136399@fx18.iad>):

    Show us where Apple are "tracking you and using that data for profit".

    I wasn't saying Apple tracks us. I was disagreeing that Apple doesn't lie.

    The only difference between nospam lying & Apple lying is when Apple gets sued, they have enough money to settle lawsuits without admitting guilt.

    What have Apple lied about wrt to tracking people? Please cite.

    That is the issue at hand. So put up or drop it.

    As for tracking, I don't know why only Apple puts the id in the apps but
    it's not because they're worried that free apps may not get their money.

    How do you know that?

    Funny line of argument. You don't understand why Apple do something,
    assert it's not for some reasonable reason, so therefore it's for tracking?

    There is a reason. And it's special to Apple alone. But I don't know why.
    Why do you think only Apple adds your id number into every app you install?

    How do you know what the tag value is your id number? There would be no
    need to do that since the phone is linked to your Apple account in order
    to DL and install apps.

    --
    “Donald Trump and his allies and supporters are a clear and present
    danger to American democracy.”
    - J Michael Luttig - 2022-06-16
    - Former US appellate court judge (R) testifying to the January 6
    committee

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  • From Scott Lurndal@21:1/5 to nospam on Mon Mar 13 17:04:58 2023
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone, alt.privacy

    nospam writes:

    Why do you think only Apple adds your id number into every app you install?

    it ain't just apple.

    You keep alluding to a mysterious force that is what caused Apple to do it. Your unique id is not in all your free Android apps or in Windows programs.

    If you're going to claim they're doing the same as Apple, then show proof.
    What other operating system puts your unique identifier in all free apps?

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  • From nospam@21:1/5 to scott@slp53.sl.home on Mon Mar 13 11:12:20 2023
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone, alt.privacy

    In article <tune2c$3qed0$1@dont-email.me>, Scott Lurndal
    <scott@slp53.sl.home> wrote:

    If you're going to claim they're doing the same as Apple, then show proof.

    microsoft has been doing it since at least the 1980s. other companies
    also do it.

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  • From Scott Lurndal@21:1/5 to nospam on Mon Mar 13 18:28:22 2023
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone, alt.privacy

    nospam writes:

    If you're going to claim they're doing the same as Apple, then show proof.

    microsoft has been doing it since at least the 1980s.

    I recently updated IrfanView which is a free program on Microsoft Windows. https://www.irfanview.com/main_download_engl.htm

    How did Microsoft edit the installed code of that free app to add it?

    other companies also do it.

    Which "other" operating systems insert a unique to me id into *every free
    app that I install onto that "other" operating system, please?

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  • From nospam@21:1/5 to scott@slp53.sl.home on Mon Mar 13 14:28:37 2023
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone, alt.privacy

    In article <tuniuo$3rbub$1@dont-email.me>, Scott Lurndal
    <scott@slp53.sl.home> wrote:


    I recently updated IrfanView which is a free program on Microsoft Windows.

    that's nice. hopefully you enjoy it.

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  • From RonTheGuy@21:1/5 to Alan Browne on Mon Mar 13 14:10:56 2023
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone, alt.privacy

    On Mar 13, 2023, Alan Browne wrote
    (in article<news:8DGPL.228202$ZnFc.10280@fx41.iad>):

    The only difference between nospam lying & Apple lying is when Apple gets
    sued, they have enough money to settle lawsuits without admitting guilt.

    What have Apple lied about wrt to tracking people? Please cite.

    That is the issue at hand. So put up or drop it.

    I said Apple lies all the time when you said Apple isn't allowed to lie.

    As for tracking, I don't know why only Apple puts the id in the apps but
    it's not because they're worried that free apps may not get their money.

    How do you know that?

    We have to ask why is Apple putting a unique identification into each of
    our apps when no other OS company has ever felt the need to do that to us.

    Funny line of argument. You don't understand why Apple do something,
    assert it's not for some reasonable reason, so therefore it's for tracking?

    Why do you think Apple is putting our identification into each of our apps?

    There is a reason. And it's special to Apple alone. But I don't know why.
    Why do you think only Apple adds your id number into every app you install?

    How do you know what the tag value is your id number? There would be no
    need to do that since the phone is linked to your Apple account in order
    to DL and install apps.

    Why do you think Apple inserts it into all your apps when nobody else does?

    Ron, the humblest guy in town.

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  • From Scott Lurndal@21:1/5 to nospam on Tue Mar 14 00:02:24 2023
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone, alt.privacy

    nospam writes:

    I recently updated IrfanView which is a free program on Microsoft Windows.

    that's nice. hopefully you enjoy it.

    From that I'll accept your admission that only apple inserts the unique to
    you identification into every app, even free apps, that you install & use.

    I don't know why only Apple does it, only that it's only Apple who does it.

    As for why, since you are the only one with that unique identifier, it's to track something about you specifically, but I can't say what Apple tracks.

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  • From nospam@21:1/5 to scott@slp53.sl.home on Mon Mar 13 18:58:46 2023
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone, alt.privacy

    In article <tuo6h1$3up5t$1@dont-email.me>, Scott Lurndal
    <scott@slp53.sl.home> wrote:


    From that I'll accept your admission that only apple inserts the unique to you identification into every app,

    you're lying again.

    no such admission has been given, and that is demonstrably false.

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  • From nospam@21:1/5 to ron@null.invalid on Mon Mar 13 18:58:47 2023
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone, alt.privacy

    In article <10ip5eu7qrgvp$.dlg@news.solani.org>, RonTheGuy
    <ron@null.invalid> wrote:

    We have to ask why is Apple putting a unique identification into each of
    our apps

    asked and answered many times. the answer is anti-piracy.

    we have to ask why anyone would be so concerned about that. the answer
    is because there are those who pirate software (as well as music and
    videos), including some on this very newsgroup.

    when no other OS company has ever felt the need to do that to us.

    *many* companies put a 'unique identification' in their app or utilize
    other anti-piracy measures. it's not new, and goes back to the early
    days of personal computing.

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  • From Alan Browne@21:1/5 to RonTheGuy on Mon Mar 13 19:08:01 2023
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone, alt.privacy

    On 2023-03-13 18:10, RonTheGuy wrote:
    On Mar 13, 2023, Alan Browne wrote
    (in article<news:8DGPL.228202$ZnFc.10280@fx41.iad>):

    The only difference between nospam lying & Apple lying is when Apple gets >>> sued, they have enough money to settle lawsuits without admitting guilt.

    What have Apple lied about wrt to tracking people? Please cite.

    That is the issue at hand. So put up or drop it.

    I said Apple lies all the time when you said Apple isn't allowed to lie.

    Show me where Apple has lied about tracking. Or go home.


    As for tracking, I don't know why only Apple puts the id in the apps but >>> it's not because they're worried that free apps may not get their money.

    How do you know that?

    We have to ask why is Apple putting a unique identification into each of
    our apps when no other OS company has ever felt the need to do that to us.

    Covered.



    Funny line of argument. You don't understand why Apple do something,
    assert it's not for some reasonable reason, so therefore it's for tracking?

    Why do you think Apple is putting our identification into each of our apps?

    Covered.


    There is a reason. And it's special to Apple alone. But I don't know why. >>> Why do you think only Apple adds your id number into every app you install? >>
    How do you know what the tag value is your id number? There would be no
    need to do that since the phone is linked to your Apple account in order
    to DL and install apps.

    Why do you think Apple inserts it into all your apps when nobody else does?

    Covered.

    --
    “Donald Trump and his allies and supporters are a clear and present
    danger to American democracy.”
    - J Michael Luttig - 2022-06-16
    - Former US appellate court judge (R) testifying to the January 6
    committee

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  • From sobriquet@21:1/5 to nospam on Mon Mar 13 19:21:18 2023
    On Monday, March 13, 2023 at 11:58:49 PM UTC+1, nospam wrote:
    In article <10ip5eu7qrgvp$.d...@news.solani.org>, RonTheGuy <r...@null.invalid> wrote:

    We have to ask why is Apple putting a unique identification into each of our apps
    asked and answered many times. the answer is anti-piracy.

    we have to ask why anyone would be so concerned about that. the answer
    is because there are those who pirate software (as well as music and videos), including some on this very newsgroup.
    when no other OS company has ever felt the need to do that to us.
    *many* companies put a 'unique identification' in their app or utilize
    other anti-piracy measures. it's not new, and goes back to the early
    days of personal computing.

    Piracy is basically a myth perpetuated by people who are clueless about information technology.
    Everything people share online (music, video, art, porn, apps, books, etc..) is basically just a bunch of big numbers and all numbers belong to the public domain.

    So people claiming to own a number with 23059235 digits as their intellectual property (which might be a digital file that supposedly infringes copyrights) is
    equally insane as someone claiming to own the number 329.

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