nospam wrote:
"note that apple's display is a *variable* refresh rate that ranges from
1hz to 120hz to adapt to the content currently being displayed. much of
the time, it's less than 30hz because the content doesn't need anything faster. this also conserves power, versus competing devices that are
always at maximum speed."
I turned on the Android switch to show the refresh rate in real time:
<https://i.postimg.cc/59zcmYFd/devopt07.jpg> Show Refresh Rate = on
How do we show that variable refresh rate in real time on iOS devices?
nospam wrote:
"note that apple's display is a *variable* refresh rate that ranges from
1hz to 120hz to adapt to the content currently being displayed. much of
the time, it's less than 30hz because the content doesn't need anything
faster. this also conserves power, versus competing devices that are
always at maximum speed."
I turned on the Android switch to show the refresh rate in real time:
<https://i.postimg.cc/59zcmYFd/devopt07.jpg> Show Refresh Rate = on
How do we show that variable refresh rate in real time on iOS devices?
nospam wrote:
"note that apple's display is a *variable* refresh rate that ranges from
1hz to 120hz to adapt to the content currently being displayed. much of
the time, it's less than 30hz because the content doesn't need anything
faster. this also conserves power, versus competing devices that are
always at maximum speed."
I turned on the Android switch to show the refresh rate in real time:
<https://i.postimg.cc/59zcmYFd/devopt07.jpg> Show Refresh Rate = on
How do we show that variable refresh rate in real time on iOS devices?
You can't.
Silly Google puts it in all their settings just to clutter up the user interface, which is why an iPhone UI is so uncluttered and simple to use.
On 3/9/2023 2:31 AM, Nil wrote:
nospam wrote:
"note that apple's display is a *variable* refresh rate that ranges from >>> 1hz to 120hz to adapt to the content currently being displayed. much of >>> the time, it's less than 30hz because the content doesn't need anything >>> faster. this also conserves power, versus competing devices that are
always at maximum speed."
I turned on the Android switch to show the refresh rate in real time:
<https://i.postimg.cc/59zcmYFd/devopt07.jpg> Show Refresh Rate = on
How do we show that variable refresh rate in real time on iOS devices?
You can't.
You're answering the question all wrong for this kind of newsgroup.
The correct answer is never "you can't" but "not needed & nobody wants it."
Silly Google puts it in all their settings just to clutter up the user interface, which is why an iPhone UI is so uncluttered and simple to use.
On 2023-03-09 07:34, Ken Hart wrote:
On 3/9/2023 2:31 AM, Nil wrote:
nospam wrote:
"note that apple's display is a *variable* refresh rate that ranges
from 1hz to 120hz to adapt to the content currently being
displayed. much of the time, it's less than 30hz because the
content doesn't need anything faster. this also conserves power,
versus competing devices that are always at maximum speed."
I turned on the Android switch to show the refresh rate in real
time: <https://i.postimg.cc/59zcmYFd/devopt07.jpg> Show Refresh
Rate = on
How do we show that variable refresh rate in real time on iOS
devices?
You can't.
You're answering the question all wrong for this kind of newsgroup.
The correct answer is never "you can't" but "not needed & nobody
wants it."
Silly Google puts it in all their settings just to clutter up the
user interface, which is why an iPhone UI is so uncluttered and
simple to use.
My car varies the time the fuel injectors are open during each
combustion cycle.
How can I show that time?
nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:
what possible benefit is there for an end user to know the
instantaneous refresh rate of the display, as it constantly changes
based on the currently content, as well as various other factors
(finger motion, power management, thermals, etc.)?
None, of course. It’s only important to Kiddie Trolls because it’s “something you can do on Android but not on iOS”.
As if.
What the Kiddie Trolls fail to understand is that iPhones are not aimed at computer geeks. Nor are iPads. Actually the Kiddie Trolls fail to understand LOTS of things. But I digress.
iPhones/iPads etc. appeal to non-geeks and non-nerds precisely because all the gory details are hidden. You turn it on and It Works. That’s it.
what possible benefit is there for an end user to know the
instantaneous refresh rate of the display, as it constantly changes
based on the currently content, as well as various other factors
(finger motion, power management, thermals, etc.)?
None, of course. Its only important to Kiddie Trolls because its something you can do on Android but not on iOS.
As if.
What the Kiddie Trolls fail to understand is that iPhones are not aimed at computer geeks. Nor are iPads. Actually the Kiddie Trolls fail to understand LOTS of things. But I digress.
iPhones/iPads etc. appeal to non-geeks and non-nerds precisely because all the gory details are hidden. You turn it on and It Works. Thats it.
Since 8 of the top 10 selling phones last year were iPhones, I would say
that Apple is on the right track with this.
a very bored app developer could write an app that queried and
displayed that value, although that won't actually be of much use for
one very obvious reason (which i doubt the usual suspects will figure
out).
Since I am not a clueless Kiddie Troll - and have 40 years of programming experience in multiple languages - yes the reason is obvious. The very
act of displaying this info, say in a tachometer-style round gauge with a needle moving around showing the refresh rate - is going to affect the refresh rate.
what possible benefit is there for an end user to know the
instantaneous refresh rate of the display, as it constantly changes
based on the currently content, as well as various other factors
(finger motion, power management, thermals, etc.)?
a very bored app developer could write an app that queried and
displayed that value, although that won't actually be of much use for
one very obvious reason (which i doubt the usual suspects will figure
out).
nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:
what possible benefit is there for an end user to know the
instantaneous refresh rate of the display, as it constantly changes
based on the currently content, as well as various other factors
(finger motion, power management, thermals, etc.)?
None, of course. It’s only important to Kiddie Trolls because it’s “something you can do on Android but not on iOS”.
As if.
What the Kiddie Trolls fail to understand is that iPhones are not
aimed at computer geeks. Nor are iPads. Actually the Kiddie Trolls
fail to understand LOTS of things. But I digress.
iPhones/iPads etc. appeal to non-geeks and non-nerds precisely because
all the gory details are hidden. You turn it on and It Works. That’s
it.
Since 8 of the top 10 selling phones last year were iPhones, I would
say that Apple is on the right track with this.
a very bored app developer could write an app that queried and
displayed that value, although that won't actually be of much use for
one very obvious reason (which i doubt the usual suspects will figure
out).
Since I am not a clueless Kiddie Troll - and have 40 years of
programming experience in multiple languages - yes the reason is
obvious. The very act of displaying this info, say in a
tachometer-style round gauge with a needle moving around showing the
refresh rate - is going to affect the refresh rate.
But hey, Kiddie Trolls. Feel free to add this to The List. This is
yet another “No one has asked for that. If there was ANY demand
there would be multiple apps for it”.
This is also Very Obvious. Predictably, the Kiddie Trolls don’t/won’t/can’t understand this.
Trolls gotta troll. 🙄
On 2023-03-09, Bob Campbell <none@none.none> wrote:
nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:
what possible benefit is there for an end user to know the
instantaneous refresh rate of the display, as it constantly changes
based on the currently content, as well as various other factors
(finger motion, power management, thermals, etc.)?
None, of course. It’s only important to Kiddie Trolls because it’s
“something you can do on Android but not on iOS”.
As if.
What the Kiddie Trolls fail to understand is that iPhones are not
aimed at computer geeks. Nor are iPads. Actually the Kiddie Trolls
fail to understand LOTS of things. But I digress.
iPhones/iPads etc. appeal to non-geeks and non-nerds precisely because
all the gory details are hidden. You turn it on and It Works. That’s
it.
Since 8 of the top 10 selling phones last year were iPhones, I would
say that Apple is on the right track with this.
They also fail to understand that Apple's products appeal to people who
*are* technically proficient for the exact same reason - many
professionals want a product that they *don't* have to hack and fiddle
with just to get shit done, because they do enough of that at work, and
just want their device to stay out of their way at the end of the day.
On 2023-03-09 13:12, Jolly Roger wrote:
On 2023-03-09, Bob Campbell <none@none.none> wrote:
Since 8 of the top 10 selling phones last year were iPhones, I would
say that Apple is on the right track with this.
They also fail to understand that Apple's products appeal to people who
*are* technically proficient for the exact same reason - many
professionals want a product that they *don't* have to hack and fiddle
with just to get shit done, because they do enough of that at work, and
just want their device to stay out of their way at the end of the day.
As I've mentioned in the past, the only important computers I have are
the one at home and the ones at work. These are the assets that "do
work" and need to be perforamant[1], reliable, measurable (within
reason), backed up and backed up and backed up.
Phones, iPads, Watch, AppleTV ... are appliances. Get them to do the
needed tasks and the rest is clutter.
[1] If that's a word.
The correct answer is never "you can't" but "not needed & nobody wants it."
Silly Google puts it in all their settings just to clutter up the user interface, which is why an iPhone UI is so uncluttered and simple to use.
On 2023-03-09, Bob Campbell <none@none.none> wrote:
Since 8 of the top 10 selling phones last year were iPhones, I would
say that Apple is on the right track with this.
They also fail to understand that Apple's products appeal to people who
*are* technically proficient for the exact same reason - many
professionals want a product that they *don't* have to hack and fiddle
with just to get shit done, because they do enough of that at work, and
just want their device to stay out of their way at the end of the day.
On 2023-03-09 10:59, Alan Browne wrote:
On 2023-03-09 13:12, Jolly Roger wrote:
On 2023-03-09, Bob Campbell <none@none.none> wrote:
Since 8 of the top 10 selling phones last year were iPhones, I would
say that Apple is on the right track with this.
They also fail to understand that Apple's products appeal to people who
*are* technically proficient for the exact same reason - many
professionals want a product that they *don't* have to hack and fiddle
with just to get shit done, because they do enough of that at work, and
just want their device to stay out of their way at the end of the day.
As I've mentioned in the past, the only important computers I have are
the one at home and the ones at work. These are the assets that "do
work" and need to be perforamant[1], reliable, measurable (within
reason), backed up and backed up and backed up.
Phones, iPads, Watch, AppleTV ... are appliances. Get them to do the
needed tasks and the rest is clutter.
[1] If that's a word.
I think you misspelled it...
...but:
performant | pəˈfɔːmənt |
adjective mainly Computing
functioning well or as expected: a highly performant database which is
easy to use.
Since 8 of the top 10 selling phones last year were iPhones, I would say
that Apple is on the right track with this.
On 9 Mar 2023 at 8:30:37 AM, nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:
what possible benefit is there for an end user to know the
instantaneous refresh rate of the display, as it constantly changes
based on the currently content, as well as various other factors
(finger motion, power management, thermals, etc.)?
What possible benefit is there for a vehicle driver to have a speedometer?
The speed readout is constantly changing based on current driver actions.
what possible benefit is there for an end user to know the
instantaneous refresh rate of the display, as it constantly changes
based on the currently content, as well as various other factors
(finger motion, power management, thermals, etc.)?
On 9 Mar 2023 at 8:30:37 AM, nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:
what possible benefit is there for an end user to know the
instantaneous refresh rate of the display, as it constantly changes
based on the currently content, as well as various other factors
(finger motion, power management, thermals, etc.)?
What possible benefit is there for a vehicle driver to have a speedometer?
The speed readout is constantly changing based on current driver actions.
On 9 Mar 2023 at 8:30:37 AM, nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:
what possible benefit is there for an end user to know the
instantaneous refresh rate of the display, as it constantly changes
based on the currently content, as well as various other factors
(finger motion, power management, thermals, etc.)?
What possible benefit is there for a vehicle driver to have a speedometer? The speed readout is constantly changing based on current driver actions.
RJH wrote:
On 9 Mar 2023 at 8:30:37 AM, nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:
what possible benefit is there for an end user to know the
instantaneous refresh rate of the display, as it constantly changes
based on the currently content, as well as various other factors
(finger motion, power management, thermals, etc.)?
What possible benefit is there for a vehicle driver to have a
speedometer?
The speed readout is constantly changing based on current driver actions.
Hahahahaha. Indeed. Speedometers are not needed, and nobody wants them.
I've been wondering about outside yard thermometers too. Why are they
still being made? Hell, you can't do anything about bitter cold or
withering heat.
On 2023-03-09 12:42, RJH wrote:
On 9 Mar 2023 at 8:30:37 AM, nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:
what possible benefit is there for an end user to know the
instantaneous refresh rate of the display, as it constantly changes
based on the currently content, as well as various other factors
(finger motion, power management, thermals, etc.)?
What possible benefit is there for a vehicle driver to have a
speedometer?
Hmmmmm...
Safety?
Knowledge of what speed will get you pulled over?
The speed readout is constantly changing based on current driver
actions.
Now your turn. Answer his question.
The speed readout is constantly changing based on current driver actions.
Can you explain how having the screen refresh rate helps operate a
mobile phone better?
Can you explain how having the screen refresh rate helps operate a
mobile phone better?
Alan wrote:
On 2023-03-09 12:42, RJH wrote:
On 9 Mar 2023 at 8:30:37 AM, nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:
what possible benefit is there for an end user to know the
instantaneous refresh rate of the display, as it constantly changes
based on the currently content, as well as various other factors
(finger motion, power management, thermals, etc.)?
What possible benefit is there for a vehicle driver to have a
speedometer?
Hmmmmm...
Safety?
Knowledge of what speed will get you pulled over?
The speed readout is constantly changing based on current driver
actions.
Now your turn. Answer his question.
How do you guys feel about computer utilities that display your
computer's parameters? They display a lot of shit you can't do anything about. It's just an information thing. A newspaper also gives you
information about things you can't change, or use for any purpose than knowing it.
I know, I know ... *Not needed and nobody wants it*
On 9 Mar 2023 at 9:07:09 PM, Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:
The speed readout is constantly changing based on current driver actions. >>Can you explain how having the screen refresh rate helps operate a
mobile phone better?
You may as well ask why gamers bother to display their fps & temperature.
Some people are technically competent.
Many others are not.
Kids are technically competent when it comes to gaming performance metrics. Most non-kids are not.
You appear to be a non kid non gamer.
So am I.
Your question shows either you're not a gamer.
Or you don't understand what stresses a system.
Have you never noticed gaming PCs with the FPS displayed on the screen?
It's constantly changing - and that's exactly why gamers HUD the FPS.
My car varies the time the fuel injectors are open during each
combustion cycle.
How can I show that time?
Because only REAL cars show the fuel injector throttle time in real
time! Other cars are for simpleton idiots who don't know anything about driving. ; )
In article <2UrOL.1482023$iU59.1245935@fx14.iad>, Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:
Can you explain how having the screen refresh rate helps operate a
mobile phone better?
i'm glad you asked.
the faster the refresh rate, the faster a call can be connected.
knowing that value prior to initiating a call can be the difference
between having a lively and productive conversation versus ending up
leaving voicemail.
Jolly Roger wrote:
My car varies the time the fuel injectors are open during each
combustion cycle.
How can I show that time?
Because only REAL cars show the fuel injector throttle time in real
time! Other cars are for simpleton idiots who don't know anything about
driving. ; )
To the actual _adults_ on this newsgroup (& for the permanent record),
1. These two iKooks, Alan Baker & Jolly Roger are uneducated.
2. They also own completely imaginary belief systems.
3. Worse, they _think_ they know what they are talking about.
HINT: They don't. They're clueless.
FACT:
I own both a bimmer & a beemer and we use tools to tell us all the gory details about our vehicles because we want to UNDERSTAND how to debug.
I have them all just like on Android I have debugging tools, and my point
is that the average iPhone owner has almost no technical skills at all.
In fact, Jolly Roger & Alan Baker are average iPhone owners.
They own almost no comprehension of what it takes to debug a device.
HINT: Every competent bimmer & beemer owner owns the BMW tools (many are in German) such as INPA, EDIABAS, NCSExpert, NCS Dummies, DIS/GT1, EasyDIS, & Progman for the purpose of debugging, changing settings, & programming.
Back to the topic, the iPhone has always been designed for clueless people.
So it makes sense Apple would never provide anything useful for debugging
to iPhone owners (e.g., graphical Wi-Fi debugging tools) or, in this
case, frame rate debugging tools.
The iPhone owner is, as Jolly Roger & Alan Baker show, utterly clueless.
Yet, to Apple's credit, the iPhone sells well to stupid clueless people.
That's because most people are stupid.
Can you explain how having the screen refresh rate helps operate a
mobile phone better?
i'm glad you asked.
the faster the refresh rate, the faster a call can be connected.
knowing that value prior to initiating a call can be the difference
between having a lively and productive conversation versus ending up leaving voicemail.
Ah. That explains issues I have with a client of mine. Talks so fast I can't keep up.
So - do I ask him to reduce his screen frame rate, or do I increase mine?
So it makes sense Apple would never provide anything useful for debugging
to iPhone owners (e.g., graphical Wi-Fi debugging tools) or, in this case, frame rate debugging tools.
That's because most people are stupid.
On 2023-03-09 13:21, Hank Rogers wrote:
Alan wrote:
On 2023-03-09 12:42, RJH wrote:
On 9 Mar 2023 at 8:30:37 AM, nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:
what possible benefit is there for an end user to know the
instantaneous refresh rate of the display, as it constantly
changes
based on the currently content, as well as various other factors
(finger motion, power management, thermals, etc.)?
What possible benefit is there for a vehicle driver to have a
speedometer?
Hmmmmm...
Safety?
Knowledge of what speed will get you pulled over?
The speed readout is constantly changing based on current
driver actions.
Now your turn. Answer his question.
How do you guys feel about computer utilities that display your
computer's parameters? They display a lot of shit you can't do
anything about. It's just an information thing. A newspaper also
gives you information about things you can't change, or use for
any purpose than knowing it.
I know, I know ... *Not needed and nobody wants it*
I can point out lots of times when I need to use various
information about a lot of things.
You've been asked to show a SINGLE use for knowing your phones
refresh rate.
On 2023-03-09 13:47, Andy Burnelli wrote:
FACT:
I own both a bimmer & a beemer and we use tools to tell us all the gory
details about our vehicles because we want to UNDERSTAND how to debug.
I'm interested in driving cars fast, and I own a BMW. I'm not sure what
a "bimmer" or "beemer" means (or why you would use both terms).
You may as well ask why gamers bother to display their fps & temperature.
I'm interested in driving cars fast, and I own a BMW. I'm not sure what
a "bimmer" or "beemer" means (or why you would use both terms).
Both mean BMW. Using both terms is a red piece of cloth waving in the molecules of nitrogen, oxygen and other trace gases flowing by.
To the actual _adults_ on this newsgroup (& for the permanent record),
The iPhone owner is, as Jolly Roger & Alan Baker show, utterly
clueless.
Yet, to Apple's credit, the iPhone sells well to stupid clueless
people.
That's because most people are stupid.
Alan wrote:
On 2023-03-09 13:21, Hank Rogers wrote:
Alan wrote:
On 2023-03-09 12:42, RJH wrote:
On 9 Mar 2023 at 8:30:37 AM, nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:
what possible benefit is there for an end user to know the
instantaneous refresh rate of the display, as it constantly changes >>>>>> based on the currently content, as well as various other factors
(finger motion, power management, thermals, etc.)?
What possible benefit is there for a vehicle driver to have a
speedometer?
Hmmmmm...
Safety?
Knowledge of what speed will get you pulled over?
The speed readout is constantly changing based on current driver
actions.
Now your turn. Answer his question.
How do you guys feel about computer utilities that display your
computer's parameters? They display a lot of shit you can't do
anything about. It's just an information thing. A newspaper also
gives you information about things you can't change, or use for any
purpose than knowing it.
I know, I know ... *Not needed and nobody wants it*
I can point out lots of times when I need to use various information
about a lot of things.
You've been asked to show a SINGLE use for knowing your phones refresh
rate.
You're right man. I screwed up. It is *NOT NEEDED*
On 2023-03-09 13:47, Andy Burnelli wrote:
Jolly Roger wrote:
My car varies the time the fuel injectors are open during each
combustion cycle.
How can I show that time?
Because only REAL cars show the fuel injector throttle time in real
time! Other cars are for simpleton idiots who don't know
anything about
driving. ; )
To the actual _adults_ on this newsgroup (& for the permanent
record),
1. These two iKooks, Alan Baker & Jolly Roger are uneducated.
2. They also own completely imaginary belief systems.
3. Worse, they _think_ they know what they are talking about.
HINT: They don't. They're clueless.
FACT:
I own both a bimmer & a beemer and we use tools to tell us all
the gory
details about our vehicles because we want to UNDERSTAND how to
debug.
I'm interested in driving cars fast, and I own a BMW. I'm not sure
what a "bimmer" or "beemer" means (or why you would use both terms).
I have them all just like on Android I have debugging tools, and
my point
is that the average iPhone owner has almost no technical skills
at all.
In fact, Jolly Roger & Alan Baker are average iPhone owners.
They own almost no comprehension of what it takes to debug a device.
HINT: Every competent bimmer & beemer owner owns the BMW tools
(many are in
German) such as INPA, EDIABAS, NCSExpert, NCS Dummies, DIS/GT1,
EasyDIS, &
Progman for the purpose of debugging, changing settings, &
programming.
Back to the topic, the iPhone has always been designed for
clueless people.
So it makes sense Apple would never provide anything useful for
debugging
to iPhone owners (e.g., graphical Wi-Fi debugging tools) or, in
this case, frame rate debugging tools.
The iPhone owner is, as Jolly Roger & Alan Baker show, utterly
clueless.
Yet, to Apple's credit, the iPhone sells well to stupid clueless
people.
That's because most people are stupid.
Find one case.
JUST ONE.
Where anyone has ever used the screen refresh rate of a phone to
debug anything.
JUST ONE.
Andy Burnelli wrote:
To the actual _adults_ on this newsgroup (& for the permanent record),
<snip>
The iPhone owner is, as Jolly Roger & Alan Baker show, utterly
clueless.
Yet, to Apple's credit, the iPhone sells well to stupid clueless
people.
That's because most people are stupid.
No, they just don't have a lot of moldy old books. So they are
denied buying anything except lowly iphones. Perhaps some day,
android phones will be available to the masses, but for now, only
the genius population can buy them.
I don't have many books and have wanted an android for a long time.
I've heard that after I get the coveted android, my shit will no
longer stink. And my IQ will shoot up to 500.
In article <tudk5h$vi37$1@paganini.bofh.team>, Andy Burnelli <nospam@nospam.net> wrote:
So it makes sense Apple would never provide anything useful for debugging
so says the person who can't figure out how to compile android sample
code.
Alan Browne wrote:
I'm interested in driving cars fast, and I own a BMW. I'm not sure
what a "bimmer" or "beemer" means (or why you would use both terms).
Both mean BMW. Using both terms is a red piece of cloth waving in the
molecules of nitrogen, oxygen and other trace gases flowing by.
This is interestingly another case of how clueless the iKooks truly are.
FACT:
The tools that work on a beemer are NOT the same as those for a bimmer.
So it makes sense Apple would never provide anything useful for debugging
so says the person who can't figure out how to compile android sample
code.
they're also of little use to end users, who aren't writing apps.
to iPhone owners (e.g., graphical Wi-Fi debugging tools) or, in this case, >> frame rate debugging tools.
what 'frame rate debugging' do you expect to be able to do, which is
not anything you can control?
you can't even get android sample code to work, so you're not in any
position to be even thinking about optimizing animations, let alone
try.
That's because most people are stupid.
with you at the very top of the list.
Yes - I pointed that out earlier today and that it's a potential reason
for having it on an Android phone. Emphasize "potential".
On Thu, 9 Mar 2023 at 22:21:47, Hank Rogers <hank@nospam.invalid> wrote:
(my responses usually follow points raised):
Andy Burnelli wrote:
To the actual _adults_ on this newsgroup (& for the permanent record),
<snip>
The iPhone owner is, as Jolly Roger & Alan Baker show, utterly clueless. >>> Yet, to Apple's credit, the iPhone sells well to stupid clueless people. >>>
That's because most people are stupid.
No, they just don't have a lot of moldy old books. So they are denied
buying anything except lowly iphones. Perhaps some day, android phones
will be available to the masses, but for now, only the genius
population can buy them.
I don't have many books and have wanted an android for a long time.
I've heard that after I get the coveted android, my shit will no
longer stink. And my IQ will shoot up to 500.
What's great about Apple is they concentrate on the important things.
The things the user really NEEDS!
Like cool Yellow iPhone cases with "tandem" matching Yellow surrounds.
Apple doesn't waste their valuable efforts on frivolous debugging tools.
Like cool Yellow iPhone cases with "tandem" matching Yellow surrounds.
Apple doesn't waste their valuable efforts on frivolous debugging tools.
On 2023-03-09 14:28, Andy Burnelli wrote:
Alan Browne wrote:
I'm interested in driving cars fast, and I own a BMW. I'm not
sure what a "bimmer" or "beemer" means (or why you would use
both terms).
Both mean BMW. Using both terms is a red piece of cloth waving
in the molecules of nitrogen, oxygen and other trace gases
flowing by.
This is interestingly another case of how clueless the iKooks
truly are.
FACT:
The tools that work on a beemer are NOT the same as those for a
bimmer.
Show me a picture of a "beemer" and a "bimmer".
So it makes sense Apple would never provide anything useful for debugging
so says the person who can't figure out how to compile android sample
code.
You think Google adds them for no reason whatsoever? The fact remains these debugging tools exist for Android and yet they're impossible on iOS.
to iPhone owners (e.g., graphical Wi-Fi debugging tools) or, in this case, >> frame rate debugging tools.
what 'frame rate debugging' do you expect to be able to do, which is
not anything you can control?
You said the same thing about graphical signal strength debugging
On 9 Mar 2023 at 9:44:42 PM, Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:
Yes - I pointed that out earlier today and that it's a potential reason
for having it on an Android phone. Emphasize "potential".
You seem to know graphics performance better than me as I'm not a gamer.
I just know gamers care about displaying system parameters in real time.
Why do you think Android has that display setting in every phone out there?
nospam wrote:
So it makes sense Apple would never provide anything useful for
debugging
so says the person who can't figure out how to compile android
sample
code.
You think Google adds them for no reason whatsoever? The fact
remains these
debugging tools exist for Android and yet they're impossible on iOS.
Steve should add this to his ever growing list of what's impossible
on iOS.
they're also of little use to end users, who aren't writing apps.
I saw Hanks challenge to you to state the apps you wrote, and I saw
that
you can't because you never wrote an app in your entire life, nospam.
Alan wrote:
On 2023-03-09 13:47, Andy Burnelli wrote:
Jolly Roger wrote:
My car varies the time the fuel injectors are open during each
combustion cycle.
How can I show that time?
Because only REAL cars show the fuel injector throttle time in real
time! Other cars are for simpleton idiots who don't know anything about >>>> driving. ; )
To the actual _adults_ on this newsgroup (& for the permanent record),
1. These two iKooks, Alan Baker & Jolly Roger are uneducated.
2. They also own completely imaginary belief systems.
3. Worse, they _think_ they know what they are talking about.
HINT: They don't. They're clueless.
FACT:
I own both a bimmer & a beemer and we use tools to tell us all the gory
details about our vehicles because we want to UNDERSTAND how to debug.
I'm interested in driving cars fast, and I own a BMW. I'm not sure
what a "bimmer" or "beemer" means (or why you would use both terms).
I have them all just like on Android I have debugging tools, and my
point
is that the average iPhone owner has almost no technical skills at all.
In fact, Jolly Roger & Alan Baker are average iPhone owners.
They own almost no comprehension of what it takes to debug a device.
HINT: Every competent bimmer & beemer owner owns the BMW tools (many
are in
German) such as INPA, EDIABAS, NCSExpert, NCS Dummies, DIS/GT1,
EasyDIS, &
Progman for the purpose of debugging, changing settings, & programming.
Back to the topic, the iPhone has always been designed for clueless
people.
So it makes sense Apple would never provide anything useful for
debugging
to iPhone owners (e.g., graphical Wi-Fi debugging tools) or, in this
case, frame rate debugging tools.
The iPhone owner is, as Jolly Roger & Alan Baker show, utterly clueless. >>> Yet, to Apple's credit, the iPhone sells well to stupid clueless people. >>>
That's because most people are stupid.
Find one case.
JUST ONE.
Where anyone has ever used the screen refresh rate of a phone to debug
anything.
JUST ONE.
Oh, let him slide. He doesn't own a BMW. Just a shitload of paperback
books from the 1950's.
You're much cooler.
On 2023-03-09 18:03, RJH wrote:
On 9 Mar 2023 at 9:44:42 PM, Alan Browne
<bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:
Yes - I pointed that out earlier today and that it's a potential
reason
for having it on an Android phone. Emphasize "potential".
You seem to know graphics performance better than me as I'm not a
gamer.
I just know gamers care about displaying system parameters in
real time.
Why do you think Android has that display setting in every phone
out there?
One reason Android might have that metric is simply for marketing
purposes.
Why do you think Android has that display setting in every phone out there?
One reason Android might have that metric is simply for marketing purposes.
Shit most folks don't know apple
exists these days.
On 2023-03-09 14:30, Hank Rogers wrote:
Oh, let him slide. He doesn't own a BMW. Just a shitload of paperback
books from the 1950's.
You're much cooler.
I didn't say it to be cool.
I said it to make fun of Arlen.
Alan Browne wrote:
On 2023-03-09 18:03, RJH wrote:
On 9 Mar 2023 at 9:44:42 PM, Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com>
wrote:
Yes - I pointed that out earlier today and that it's a potential reason >>>> for having it on an Android phone. Emphasize "potential".
You seem to know graphics performance better than me as I'm not a gamer. >>> I just know gamers care about displaying system parameters in real time. >>>
Why do you think Android has that display setting in every phone out
there?
One reason Android might have that metric is simply for marketing
purposes.
Well, I can say that android phones are marketed vigorously. Apple never
does that since stevie died. Shit most folks don't know apple exists
these days. They seem to be trying to *NOT* sell their stuff.
A lot of people just don't give a shit anymore.
In article <uPtOL.259391$mmyc.172742@fx37.iad>, Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:
Why do you think Android has that display setting in every phone out there? >>One reason Android might have that metric is simply for marketing purposes.
it's in developer settings, because it's useful to *developers*.
On 2023-03-09 18:35, Alan wrote:
On 2023-03-09 14:30, Hank Rogers wrote:
Oh, let him slide. He doesn't own a BMW. Just a shitload of paperback
books from the 1950's.
You're much cooler.
I didn't say it to be cool.
I said it to make fun of Arlen.
Redundant. He does it all on his own.
On 2023-03-09 15:50, Alan Browne wrote:
On 2023-03-09 18:35, Alan wrote:
On 2023-03-09 14:30, Hank Rogers wrote:
Oh, let him slide. He doesn't own a BMW. Just a shitload of
paperback books from the 1950's.
You're much cooler.
I didn't say it to be cool.
I said it to make fun of Arlen.
Redundant. He does it all on his own.
Oh, I know.
But does that mean I can't have a little fun?
One reason Android might have that metric is simply for marketing
purposes.
Well, I can say that android phones are marketed vigorously. Apple
never does that since stevie died. Shit most folks don't know apple
exists these days. They seem to be trying to *NOT* sell their stuff.
A lot of people just don't give a shit anymore.
You think Google adds them for no reason whatsoever? The fact remains these >> debugging tools exist for Android and yet they're impossible on iOS.
if the unnamed google debugging tools are so powerful, why is it that
you couldn't use any of them to get *sample* *code* to work?
On 2023-03-09 18:47, nospam wrote:
In article <uPtOL.259391$mmyc.172742@fx37.iad>, Alan Browne
<bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:
Why do you think Android has that display setting in every phone
out there?
One reason Android might have that metric is simply for marketing
purposes.
it's in developer settings, because it's useful to *developers*.
Colour me now armed with knowledge that I will forget about 50ms after
now.
At least I have a dozen apps published on the Android ng, with the src.
On 2023-03-10, Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:
On 2023-03-09 18:47, nospam wrote:
In article <uPtOL.259391$mmyc.172742@fx37.iad>, Alan Browne
<bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:
Why do you think Android has that display setting in every phone
out there?
One reason Android might have that metric is simply for marketing
purposes.
it's in developer settings, because it's useful to *developers*.
Colour me now armed with knowledge that I will forget about 50ms after
now.
Which timing facility did you use to arrive at that 50ms?
I'm interested in driving cars fast, and I own a BMW. I'm not sure
what a "bimmer" or "beemer" means (or why you would use both terms).
nospam wrote:
You think Google adds them for no reason whatsoever? The fact
remains these debugging tools exist for Android and yet they're
impossible on iOS.
if the unnamed google debugging tools are so powerful, why is it that
you couldn't use any of them to get *sample* *code* to work?
Look nospam, I get it you lied about coding as it's clear you've never written even a single app in your entire life. You fabricated it.
I'm interested in driving cars fast, and I own a BMW. I'm not sure
what a "bimmer" or "beemer" means (or why you would use both terms).
The former is slang for a car, while the latter is slang for a bike.
At least I have a dozen apps published on the Android ng, with the src.
bullshit.
Jolly Roger wrote:
I'm interested in driving cars fast, and I own a BMW. I'm not sure
what a "bimmer" or "beemer" means (or why you would use both terms).
The former is slang for a car, while the latter is slang for a bike.
Alan Baker is a moron, so I don't see his garbage unless someone like you, Jolly Roger, quotes him, but he clearly doesn't know anything about BMW.
Jolly Roger wrote:
I'm interested in driving cars fast, and I own a BMW. I'm not sure
what a "bimmer" or "beemer" means (or why you would use both terms).
The former is slang for a car, while the latter is slang for a bike.
Alan Baker is a moron
All of you are ignorant posers.
You don't own the adult cognitive skills to understand the difference
between a bimmer and a beemer for God's sake - and that's trivial.
No wonder you're iKooks.
On 2023-03-09 17:30, Andy Burnelli wrote:
Jolly Roger wrote:
I'm interested in driving cars fast, and I own a BMW. I'm not sure
what a "bimmer" or "beemer" means (or why you would use both
terms).
The former is slang for a car, while the latter is slang for a bike.
Alan Baker is a moron, so I don't see his garbage unless someone like
you, Jolly Roger, quotes him, but he clearly doesn't know anything
about BMW.
My 135i would tell a different story.
Alan Baker is a moron, so I don't see his garbage unless someone like
you, Jolly Roger, quotes him, but he clearly doesn't know anything
about BMW.
My 135i would tell a different story.
Those are fun little things. : )
Jolly Roger wrote:
Alan Baker is a moron, so I don't see his garbage unless someone like
you, Jolly Roger, quotes him, but he clearly doesn't know anything
about BMW.
My 135i would tell a different story.
Those are fun little things. : )
Alan Baker is a moron. Just like Snit. And Alan Browne. And you, JR.
If Alan claims to race beemers, he's a moron for not even knowing the first thing about his fabrications since the term came about in racing circles.
On 2023-03-10, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
On 2023-03-09 17:30, Andy Burnelli wrote:
Jolly Roger wrote:
I'm interested in driving cars fast, and I own a BMW. I'm not sure
what a "bimmer" or "beemer" means (or why you would use both
terms).
The former is slang for a car, while the latter is slang for a bike.
Alan Baker is a moron, so I don't see his garbage unless someone like
you, Jolly Roger, quotes him, but he clearly doesn't know anything
about BMW.
My 135i would tell a different story.
Those are fun little things. : )
Trollboi is hella-mad I know the difference between bimmer and beemer,
having family who have owned many models of both for decades, and owning
my own bimmers starting in 1999. : )
*My first "hello world" using Android Studio*
Look nospam, I get it you lied about coding as it's clear you've never
written even a single app in your entire life. You fabricated it.
Projection. : )
Jolly Roger wrote:
Alan Baker is a moron, so I don't see his garbage unless someone
like you, Jolly Roger, quotes him, but he clearly doesn't know
anything about BMW.
My 135i would tell a different story.
Those are fun little things. : )
Alan Baker is a moron. Just like Snit. And Alan Browne. And you, JR.
he's a moron
What kind of idiot
that moron
you iKooks
you iKooks
You iKooks
In article <tue45t$15naa$1@paganini.bofh.team>, Andy Burnelli
<nospam@nospam.net> wrote:
*My first "hello world" using Android Studio*
how long did it take for such a complicated app?
what frame rates were you able to achieve after using those 'frame
rate debugging' tools you spoke so highly of?
Jolly Roger wrote:
Look nospam, I get it you lied about coding as it's clear you've
never written even a single app in your entire life. You fabricated
it.
Projection. : )
And yet I published a simple hello world app it took me weeks (or was
it months?) to get working.
Jolly Roger wrote:
#TRIGGERED
Hi Jolly Roger,
I respond to adults differently than I do to sadistic iKooks, Jolly Roger.
For example, here's my response to badgolferman (an adult) moments ago
whom you also said you triggered by your sadistically juvenile posts, JR).
If you don't know already, I have two goals on this newsgroup, while I normally have only one goal on all the other operating system groups.
1. I want to _help_ people and to _learn_ from them all that I can, and
2. Due to the sadistic nature of iKooks, I wish to _expose_ them for exactly what they are.
That second goal is born of my dislike of people who are purposefully unhelpful and at the same time, deceitful liars, and, combine those
horrid personality traits with an almost total lack of intelligence.
In summary, (a) it's great you're seeking data as all data is good data,
and (b) I tried to help where I could, and (c) the iKooks, sadly, do not.
how long did it take for such a complicated app?
Literal weeks (or was it months?).
what frame rates were you able to achieve after using those 'frame
rate debugging' tools you spoke so highly of?
He's never used them.
He's also never raced in a BMW as he claims.
#TRIGGERED
He's also never raced in a BMW as he claims.
What's not surprising is that Alan Baker is who said he was a racer.
I clearly said I was NOT.
And yet, I happen to work on my own bimmers and beemers so I'm well
aware of racing terms that Alan Baker clearly was completely ignorant of.
But neither of them is a "racing term".
On Mar 10, 2023, Alan wrote
(in article<news:tuflb6$219sk$2@dont-email.me>):
But neither of them is a "racing term".
https://bimmertips.com/whats-difference-bimmer-beemer/
"A 'Beamer' or 'Beemer' is accepted as the default slang term for a BMW motorcycle. The pronunciation is straight forward, Beam-Mer. The origin
of this slang word has its roots in motorcycle racing in the 1930's with a British motorcycle manufacturer called BSA (Birmingham Small Arms
Company)."
https://www.bmwblog.com/2020/01/16/bimmer-beemer-beamer/
"Besides the Beamer name, racing fans and motorbike enthusiasts have also come up with the Beemer [spelling], which was constructed in analogy with
the Beezers. Thus, the 'Beemer' [spelling] became more widely known than 'Beamer' ..."
Ron, the humblest guy in town.
Jolly Roger wrote:
#TRIGGERED
Hi Jolly Roger, I respond to adults differently than I do to sadistic
iKooks, Jolly Roger.
Jolly Roger wrote:
how long did it take for such a complicated app?
Literal weeks (or was it months?).
My goal on this newsgroup is to troll.
Case in point is that nospam said he was a developer; and yet, he
lied.
Meanwhile, I said I was NOT a developer; which is clearly the truth.
what frame rates were you able to achieve after using those 'frame
rate debugging' tools you spoke so highly of?
He's never used them.
In terms of exposing the iKooks for the sadistic liars they are,
adults will note that nospam concentrated on the "hello.world.apk",
where the fact that nospam lied about being a developer shows in
_those_ comments of his.
Everyone who has _ever_ written code knows the purpose of hello world.
Yet nospam clearly has no concept of why hello.world is the first app
ever.
The fact nospam is completely ignorant of what hello.world
accomplishes, is yet another clear indicator that nospam has _never_
written a line of code in his life.
Worse, he doesn't _comprehend_ that the cite provided by me published something like a _dozen_ absolutely complete apps, each one
correspondingly increasing in what it did (which, again, is how
developers learn coding).
The clear and obvious fact that nospam didn't comprehend _any_ of
that, is an absolutely clear indication nospam has never coded
anything in his life.
He's also never raced in a BMW as he claims.
What's not surprising is that Alan Baker is who said he was a racer.
I clearly said I was NOT.
completely ignorant completely clueless
On 2023-03-10 08:08, Andy Burnelli wrote:
He's also never raced in a BMW as he claims.
What's not surprising is that Alan Baker is who said he was a racer.
I clearly said I was NOT.
And yet, I happen to work on my own bimmers and beemers so I'm well
aware of racing terms that Alan Baker clearly was completely ignorant
of.
The only thing of which I might have been ignorant is that someone
stated that "bimmer" and "beemer" are two slang terms for BMWs which
are used for cars and motorcycles. I can't remember which was used
with which or whether it was even mentioned.
But neither of them is a "racing term".
On 2023-03-10, Andy Burnelli <nospam@nospam.net> wrote:
In terms of exposing the iKooks for the sadistic liars they are,
adults will note that nospam concentrated on the "hello.world.apk",
where the fact that nospam lied about being a developer shows in
_those_ comments of his.
So which apps have you written that required you to utilize your vaunted frame rate debugging tools, fool? We're all waiting for the answer!
In article <k7182qFbkoU3@mid.individual.net>, Jolly Roger
<jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
On 2023-03-10, Andy Burnelli <nospam@nospam.net> wrote:
In terms of exposing the iKooks for the sadistic liars they are,
adults will note that nospam concentrated on the "hello.world.apk",
i didn't mention any app in particular, liar.
where the fact that nospam lied about being a developer shows in
_those_ comments of his.
So which apps have you written that required you to utilize your
vaunted frame rate debugging tools, fool? We're all waiting for the
answer!
he's clearly most proud of 'hello world'.
interestingly enough, by using these super-powerful frame rate
debugging tools, it can be determined that the letter 'h' in
particular is being refreshed at imperceptibly high rates, an issue he
has yet to resolve.
a very bored app developer could write an app that queried and
displayed that value, although that won't actually be of much use for
one very obvious reason (which i doubt the usual suspects will figure out).
Since I am not a clueless Kiddie Troll - and have 40 years of programming experience in multiple languages - yes the reason is obvious. The very act of displaying this info, say in a tachometer-style round gauge with a needle moving around showing the refresh rate - is going to affect the refresh rate.
good guess. but actually that's not why :)
On 9 Mar 2023 at 9:07:09 PM, Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:
The speed readout is constantly changing based on current driver actions. >>Can you explain how having the screen refresh rate helps operate a
mobile phone better?
You may as well ask why gamers bother to display their fps & temperature.
Some people are technically competent.
Many others are not.
Kids are technically competent when it comes to gaming performance metrics. Most non-kids are not.
You appear to be a non kid non gamer.
So am I.
Your question shows either you're not a gamer.
Or you don't understand what stresses a system.
Have you never noticed gaming PCs with the FPS displayed on the screen?
It's constantly changing - and that's exactly why gamers HUD the FPS.
Technically competent gamers want to know FPS information in real time.
Look up MSI Afterburner for just one of many examples of related tools.
They even have temperature displayed constantly as they stress graphics. https://www.msi.com/Landing/afterburner/graphics-cards
That's likely why Google has that option in every Android phone.
Just like General Motors put a speedometer into every car they sold.
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