• Re: apple music

    From sobriquet@21:1/5 to sobriquet on Mon Apr 17 19:53:12 2023
    On Tuesday, April 18, 2023 at 4:39:34 AM UTC+2, sobriquet wrote:
    Perhaps not entirely on topic in a newsgroup devoted to the ipad, but
    you can use apple music on the ipad.

    Is there any way to find out if a particular album is available on apple music without actually registering or subscribing to the service (not even a free trial)?

    For instance, I'm curious whether or not the following two albums are available on apple music:

    https://www.allmusic.com/album/intertwining-spirits-mw0000910298

    https://www.allmusic.com/album/urban-griot-mw0000011699

    Apple music advertises with the claim that they have 100 million
    tracks on offer, but somehow they are seemingly reluctant to
    offer an overview of the music they have available.

    Perhaps there is someone here who has a subscription who can
    show a screenshot to illustrate that these albums are indeed available
    in their proclaimed comprehensive music collection?

    That would be very much appreciated, but given that competing
    streaming music services like spotify and deezer don't seem to have
    those albums (while they do offer people the service of freely exploring their catalog), I reckon it's unlikely apple actually has those albums.

    Ah, I see it's possible to browse the collection without any subscription shenanigans.

    https://support.apple.com/guide/music-web/search-for-music-apdmca22e054/web

    As expected the albums are missing from their music collection (making the claim of
    having 100 million tracks on offer somewhat doubtful).

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  • From sobriquet@21:1/5 to All on Mon Apr 17 19:39:33 2023
    Perhaps not entirely on topic in a newsgroup devoted to the ipad, but
    you can use apple music on the ipad.

    Is there any way to find out if a particular album is available on apple
    music without actually registering or subscribing to the service (not even a free trial)?

    For instance, I'm curious whether or not the following two albums are
    available on apple music:

    https://www.allmusic.com/album/intertwining-spirits-mw0000910298

    https://www.allmusic.com/album/urban-griot-mw0000011699

    Apple music advertises with the claim that they have 100 million
    tracks on offer, but somehow they are seemingly reluctant to
    offer an overview of the music they have available.

    Perhaps there is someone here who has a subscription who can
    show a screenshot to illustrate that these albums are indeed available
    in their proclaimed comprehensive music collection?

    That would be very much appreciated, but given that competing
    streaming music services like spotify and deezer don't seem to have
    those albums (while they do offer people the service of freely exploring
    their catalog), I reckon it's unlikely apple actually has those albums.

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  • From Jolly Roger@21:1/5 to sobriquet on Tue Apr 18 05:41:01 2023
    On 2023-04-18, sobriquet <dohduhdah@yahoo.com> wrote:

    As expected the albums are missing from their music collection (making
    the claim of having 100 million tracks on offer somewhat doubtful).

    Nah. It's not doubtful at all. Apple has never claimed to have every
    album by every artist in their library.

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  • From sobriquet@21:1/5 to Jolly Roger on Tue Apr 18 02:46:14 2023
    On Tuesday, April 18, 2023 at 7:41:04 AM UTC+2, Jolly Roger wrote:
    On 2023-04-18, sobriquet <dohd...@yahoo.com> wrote:

    As expected the albums are missing from their music collection (making
    the claim of having 100 million tracks on offer somewhat doubtful).
    Nah. It's not doubtful at all. Apple has never claimed to have every
    album by every artist in their library.

    So what would be a realistic estimate of the percentage of music that has been released in the past that is available through such streaming services offering 100
    million tracks?
    More like 40% or more like 80%?

    I'm certainly glad I collect music myself, so I'm not at the mercy of these tech
    molochs like apple that can decide on a whim to remove music from the collection
    they offer access to.

    4 TB SSD is an amazing cosmic jukebox with a playlist shuffling more than 100000
    tracks.



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  • From Bob Campbell@21:1/5 to sobriquet on Tue Apr 18 12:45:05 2023
    sobriquet <dohduhdah@yahoo.com> wrote:
    On Tuesday, April 18, 2023 at 4:39:34 AM UTC+2, sobriquet wrote:
    Perhaps not entirely on topic in a newsgroup devoted to the ipad, but
    you can use apple music on the ipad.

    Is there any way to find out if a particular album is available on apple
    music without actually registering or subscribing to the service (not even a free trial)?

    For instance, I'm curious whether or not the following two albums are
    available on apple music:

    https://www.allmusic.com/album/intertwining-spirits-mw0000910298

    https://www.allmusic.com/album/urban-griot-mw0000011699

    Apple music advertises with the claim that they have 100 million
    tracks on offer, but somehow they are seemingly reluctant to
    offer an overview of the music they have available.

    Perhaps there is someone here who has a subscription who can
    show a screenshot to illustrate that these albums are indeed available
    in their proclaimed comprehensive music collection?

    That would be very much appreciated, but given that competing
    streaming music services like spotify and deezer don't seem to have
    those albums (while they do offer people the service of freely exploring
    their catalog), I reckon it's unlikely apple actually has those albums.

    Ah, I see it's possible to browse the collection without any subscription shenanigans.

    https://support.apple.com/guide/music-web/search-for-music-apdmca22e054/web

    As expected the albums are missing from their music collection (making the claim of
    having 100 million tracks on offer somewhat doubtful).


    Neither of these albums are on Spotify either, which leads me to believe
    the artists chose to not make them available via streaming. Not some
    nefarious plot by Apple.

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  • From Jolly Roger@21:1/5 to sobriquet on Tue Apr 18 15:49:47 2023
    On 2023-04-18, sobriquet <dohduhdah@yahoo.com> wrote:
    On Tuesday, April 18, 2023 at 7:41:04 AM UTC+2, Jolly Roger wrote:
    On 2023-04-18, sobriquet <dohd...@yahoo.com> wrote:

    As expected the albums are missing from their music collection
    (making the claim of having 100 million tracks on offer somewhat
    doubtful).

    Nah. It's not doubtful at all. Apple has never claimed to have every
    album by every artist in their library.

    So what would be a realistic estimate of the percentage of music that
    has been released in the past that is available through such streaming services offering 100 million tracks? More like 40% or more like 80%?

    I don't know, and frankly don't care. I have always purchased my music
    rather than renting it, and if it's not available on Apple's iTunes
    Store, then I'll purchase it elsewhere.

    I'm certainly glad I collect music myself, so I'm not at the mercy of
    these tech molochs like apple that can decide on a whim to remove
    music from the collection they offer access to.

    That's a recording industry problem, not a tech problem.

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  • From Jolly Roger@21:1/5 to Bob Campbell on Tue Apr 18 15:50:58 2023
    On 2023-04-18, Bob Campbell <nunya@none.none> wrote:
    sobriquet <dohduhdah@yahoo.com> wrote:
    On Tuesday, April 18, 2023 at 4:39:34 AM UTC+2, sobriquet wrote:

    Perhaps not entirely on topic in a newsgroup devoted to the ipad,
    but you can use apple music on the ipad.

    Is there any way to find out if a particular album is available on
    apple music without actually registering or subscribing to the
    service (not even a free trial)?

    For instance, I'm curious whether or not the following two albums
    are available on apple music:

    https://www.allmusic.com/album/intertwining-spirits-mw0000910298

    https://www.allmusic.com/album/urban-griot-mw0000011699

    Apple music advertises with the claim that they have 100 million
    tracks on offer, but somehow they are seemingly reluctant to offer
    an overview of the music they have available.

    Perhaps there is someone here who has a subscription who can show a
    screenshot to illustrate that these albums are indeed available in
    their proclaimed comprehensive music collection?

    That would be very much appreciated, but given that competing
    streaming music services like spotify and deezer don't seem to have
    those albums (while they do offer people the service of freely
    exploring their catalog), I reckon it's unlikely apple actually has
    those albums.

    Ah, I see it's possible to browse the collection without any
    subscription shenanigans.

    https://support.apple.com/guide/music-web/search-for-music-apdmca22e054/web >>
    As expected the albums are missing from their music collection
    (making the claim of having 100 million tracks on offer somewhat
    doubtful).

    Neither of these albums are on Spotify either, which leads me to
    believe the artists chose to not make them available via streaming.
    Not some nefarious plot by Apple.

    I'm betting you can't purchase to own this music from some retailers as
    well. Apple has nothing to do with that either.

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  • From Chris@21:1/5 to sobriquet on Tue Apr 18 21:41:29 2023
    sobriquet <dohduhdah@yahoo.com> wrote:
    On Tuesday, April 18, 2023 at 7:41:04 AM UTC+2, Jolly Roger wrote:
    On 2023-04-18, sobriquet <dohd...@yahoo.com> wrote:

    As expected the albums are missing from their music collection (making
    the claim of having 100 million tracks on offer somewhat doubtful).
    Nah. It's not doubtful at all. Apple has never claimed to have every
    album by every artist in their library.

    So what would be a realistic estimate of the percentage of music that has been
    released in the past that is available through such streaming services offering 100
    million tracks?
    More like 40% or more like 80%?

    Is it even knowable? There's a huge amount of released music by small independents all over the world. Much of it won't have been catalogued
    either.

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  • From sobriquet@21:1/5 to Chris on Tue Apr 18 17:44:52 2023
    On Tuesday, April 18, 2023 at 11:41:30 PM UTC+2, Chris wrote:
    sobriquet <dohd...@yahoo.com> wrote:
    On Tuesday, April 18, 2023 at 7:41:04 AM UTC+2, Jolly Roger wrote:
    On 2023-04-18, sobriquet <dohd...@yahoo.com> wrote:

    As expected the albums are missing from their music collection (making >>> the claim of having 100 million tracks on offer somewhat doubtful).
    Nah. It's not doubtful at all. Apple has never claimed to have every
    album by every artist in their library.

    So what would be a realistic estimate of the percentage of music that has been
    released in the past that is available through such streaming services offering 100
    million tracks?
    More like 40% or more like 80%?
    Is it even knowable? There's a huge amount of released music by small independents all over the world. Much of it won't have been catalogued either.


    Well, assuming that music released for commercial reasons is typically produced in
    larger quantities, you might pick some arbitrary minimal number like at least 500
    copies being produced for sale (though perhaps these days with online distribution
    that has kind of changed compared to the past when albums were released on vinyl or cd).

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  • From Jolly Roger@21:1/5 to sobriquet on Wed Apr 19 05:19:32 2023
    On 2023-04-19, sobriquet <dohduhdah@yahoo.com> wrote:
    On Tuesday, April 18, 2023 at 11:41:30 PM UTC+2, Chris wrote:
    sobriquet <dohd...@yahoo.com> wrote:
    On Tuesday, April 18, 2023 at 7:41:04 AM UTC+2, Jolly Roger wrote:
    On 2023-04-18, sobriquet <dohd...@yahoo.com> wrote:

    As expected the albums are missing from their music collection
    (making the claim of having 100 million tracks on offer somewhat
    doubtful).

    Nah. It's not doubtful at all. Apple has never claimed to have
    every album by every artist in their library.

    So what would be a realistic estimate of the percentage of music
    that has been released in the past that is available through such
    streaming services offering 100 million tracks? More like 40% or
    more like 80%?

    Is it even knowable? There's a huge amount of released music by small
    independents all over the world. Much of it won't have been
    catalogued either.

    Well, assuming that music released for commercial reasons is typically produced in larger quantities, you might pick some arbitrary minimal
    number like at least 500 copies being produced for sale (though
    perhaps these days with online distribution that has kind of changed
    compared to the past when albums were released on vinyl or cd).

    Go ahead then. I'm not sure why you need to involve the rest of us in
    your endeavor though, as this exercise seems to be a complete waste of
    time.

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