• Why does nospam constantly claim that Apple is incompetent at making th

    From Wally J@21:1/5 to All on Sat Jul 29 10:42:02 2023
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    On the Android newsgroup, just now, nospam claimed (yet again) that Apple
    has an incompetent design team, an incompetent marketing team, and an incompetent sales team - in that *Apple only follows Google & Samsung*.

    *Why does nospam have such a low opinion of how Apple makes decisions?*
    <https://groups.google.com/g/comp.mobile.android/c/lAXA3GA7fRA/m/sIYeLV57NAAJ>

    ... specifically ...

    Why does nospam claim everything bad that Apple does, is because Apple is
    so incompetent that Apple can only follow what Google & Samsung do?

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  • From Alan@21:1/5 to Wally J on Sat Jul 29 09:21:37 2023
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    On 2023-07-29 07:42, Wally J wrote:
    On the Android newsgroup, just now, nospam claimed (yet again) that Apple
    has an incompetent design team, an incompetent marketing team, and an incompetent sales team - in that *Apple only follows Google & Samsung*.

    *Why does nospam have such a low opinion of how Apple makes decisions?*
    <https://groups.google.com/g/comp.mobile.android/c/lAXA3GA7fRA/m/sIYeLV57NAAJ>

    ... specifically ...

    Why does nospam claim everything bad that Apple does, is because Apple is
    so incompetent that Apple can only follow what Google & Samsung do?

    He hasn't claimed that.

    You're either a liar or too stupid to understand that noting that others
    are doing the same thing says nothing about why a company has chosen to
    do that thing.

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  • From Wally J@21:1/5 to ecphoric@allspamis.invalid on Sat Jul 29 12:47:13 2023
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    *Hemidactylus* <ecphoric@allspamis.invalid> wrote

    One would hope family members will
    stage an intervention soon.

    And yet what remains is that every time nospam needs to manufacture an
    excuse for why Apple does all the bad things that Apple does...

    He always employs whataboutism to claim Apple was forced to do it (by
    Google and Samsung and Microsoft and all the other companies he lists). https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whataboutism

    Specifically, nospam is claiming that Apple only follows what others do.

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  • From Alan@21:1/5 to Wally J on Sat Jul 29 10:04:26 2023
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    On 2023-07-29 09:47, Wally J wrote:
    *Hemidactylus* <ecphoric@allspamis.invalid> wrote

    One would hope family members will
    stage an intervention soon.

    And yet what remains is that every time nospam needs to manufacture an
    excuse for why Apple does all the bad things that Apple does...

    He always employs whataboutism to claim Apple was forced to do it (by
    Google and Samsung and Microsoft and all the other companies he lists). https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whataboutism

    Specifically, nospam is claiming that Apple only follows what others do.

    You're not crazy.

    You're not stupid.

    You're just a dick.

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  • From *Hemidactylus*@21:1/5 to Alan on Sat Jul 29 16:33:02 2023
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    Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
    On 2023-07-29 07:42, Wally J wrote:
    On the Android newsgroup, just now, nospam claimed (yet again) that Apple
    has an incompetent design team, an incompetent marketing team, and an
    incompetent sales team - in that *Apple only follows Google & Samsung*.

    *Why does nospam have such a low opinion of how Apple makes decisions?*
    <https://groups.google.com/g/comp.mobile.android/c/lAXA3GA7fRA/m/sIYeLV57NAAJ>

    ... specifically ...

    Why does nospam claim everything bad that Apple does, is because Apple is
    so incompetent that Apple can only follow what Google & Samsung do?

    He hasn't claimed that.

    You're either a liar or too stupid to understand that noting that others
    are doing the same thing says nothing about why a company has chosen to
    do that thing.

    Arlen has become increasingly unhinged. One would hope family members will stage an intervention soon.

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  • From nospam@21:1/5 to walterjones@invalid.nospam on Sat Jul 29 14:15:48 2023
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone, comp.sys.mac.system

    In article <ua38e9$3plhr$1@paganini.bofh.team>, Wally J <walterjones@invalid.nospam> wrote:

    On the Android newsgroup, just now, nospam claimed (yet again) that Apple
    has an incompetent design team, an incompetent marketing team, and an incompetent sales team - in that *Apple only follows Google & Samsung*.

    i never said anything remotely close to that, liar

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  • From Bob Campbell@21:1/5 to Alan on Sun Jul 30 15:10:40 2023
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    Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
    You're either a liar or too stupid to understand that noting that others
    are doing the same thing says nothing about why a company has chosen to
    do that thing.

    More likely both stupid AND a liar.

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  • From Wally J@21:1/5 to Bob Campbell on Sun Jul 30 18:25:30 2023
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    Bob Campbell <nunya@none.none> wrote

    You're either a liar or too stupid to understand that noting that others
    are doing the same thing says nothing about why a company has chosen to
    do that thing.

    More likely both stupid AND a liar.

    I won't stoop to your level.
    Hence, I'll assume you own the capacity of a normal adults in my response.
    OK?

    Actually, nospam employs only about a half dozen techniques to make
    thousands of apologies for why Apple does the bad things that Apple does.

    Like a child who claims all the other kids were stealing from the store so that's why they stole from the store, every time nospam claims that Samsung made Apple do all the bad things that Apple did, he's using WhatAboutIsm. <https://www.marshallcenter.org/en/publications/marshall-center-books/russias-global-reach-security-and-statecraft-assessment/chapter-15-strategic-messaging-propaganda-and>

    "Whataboutism is the narrative that other [companies] are engaging in the
    same activities that they accuse [Apple] of engaging in."

    Probably none of you iCrazies read the news, but WhatAboutIsm is a common technique used to make excuses for the bad behavior of any entity.
    2 Decades of Russian Whataboutism í° <https://www.russiamatters.org/blog/2-decades-russian-whataboutism-partial-rundown>

    Since none of you iKooks read the news, please read this before responding.
    <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whataboutism>
    "From a logical and argumentative point of view it is considered a variant
    of the tu-quoque pattern (Latin 'you too', term for a counter-accusation), which is a subtype of the ad-hominem argument."

    Every time Apple does the thousands of bad things Apple does, nospam
    retorts with a senseless ad hominem attack that Samsung made Apple do it.

    As if Apple has no marketing. No design team. No engineering. Nothing.
    All Apple can do, in nospam's own arguments, is follow the lead of others.

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  • From Alan@21:1/5 to Bob Campbell on Sun Jul 30 10:27:35 2023
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    On 2023-07-30 08:10, Bob Campbell wrote:
    Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
    You're either a liar or too stupid to understand that noting that others
    are doing the same thing says nothing about why a company has chosen to
    do that thing.

    More likely both stupid AND a liar.




    That's a fair point!

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  • From Bob Campbell@21:1/5 to Wally J on Sun Jul 30 19:21:52 2023
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    Wally J <walterjones@invalid.nospam> wrote:
    Bob Campbell <nunya@none.none> wrote

    You're either a liar or too stupid to understand that noting that others >>> are doing the same thing says nothing about why a company has chosen to
    do that thing.

    More likely both stupid AND a liar.

    I won't stoop to your level.

    LOL. Good one.

    You need to climb up several levels just to get to the level of a
    chimpanzee. My level is out of reach for you.

    The rest of your absurd ranting snipped.

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  • From Wally J@21:1/5 to Bob Campbell on Mon Jul 31 01:05:24 2023
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    Bob Campbell <nunya@none.none> wrote

    My level is out of reach for you.

    Why then do you think nospam constantly claims the bad things Apple does
    are because Apple can't innovate but can only follow what Samsung does?

    For example, Apple removes a port & nospam claims Samsung made them do it.
    No other reason. Apple did it, according to nospam. Only following Samsung.

    Why is it that Apple has no design expertise? No marketing? Nothing?
    According to nospam, Apple is only capable of copying what Samsung does.

    For _thousands_ of bad things Apple does, nospam comes up with an equal
    number of thousands of excuses for why Apple has no ability to design.

    All Apple can do, according to nospam, is follow what Samsung does.

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  • From Wally J@21:1/5 to nospam on Mon Jul 31 01:12:02 2023
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    nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote

    On the Android newsgroup, just now, nospam claimed (yet again) that Apple
    has an incompetent design team, an incompetent marketing team, and an
    incompetent sales team - in that *Apple only follows Google & Samsung*.

    i never said anything remotely close to that, liar

    Every time you try to excuse Apple's bad behavior by claiming Samsung made Apple do it, nospam, is you using the classic whataboutism excuse tactic.

    https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/whataboutism
    "the act or practice of responding to an accusation of wrongdoing by
    claiming that an offense committed by another is similar or worse"

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  • From Alan@21:1/5 to Wally J on Sun Jul 30 22:25:54 2023
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    On 2023-07-30 22:05, Wally J wrote:
    Bob Campbell <nunya@none.none> wrote

    My level is out of reach for you.

    Why then do you think nospam constantly claims the bad things Apple does
    are because Apple can't innovate but can only follow what Samsung does?

    No one claims that.


    For example, Apple removes a port & nospam claims Samsung made them do it.
    No other reason. Apple did it, according to nospam. Only following Samsung.

    Nope. He never did that.


    Why is it that Apple has no design expertise? No marketing? Nothing? According to nospam, Apple is only capable of copying what Samsung does.

    For _thousands_ of bad things Apple does, nospam comes up with an equal number of thousands of excuses for why Apple has no ability to design.

    All Apple can do, according to nospam, is follow what Samsung does.

    <yawn>

    Raise your game, Arlen.

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  • From Wally J@21:1/5 to Bob Campbell on Mon Jul 31 10:14:15 2023
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    Bob Campbell <nunya@none.none> wrote

    Repeating the same ridiculous shit over and over and over is the best he
    can do.

    For once Bob Campbell is correct that nospam repeats the same ridiculous
    shit every time he has to make excuses for the bad things that Apple does.

    With only a half dozen types of excuses, nospam often uses whataboutism.
    "a conversational tactic in which a person responds to an argument
    or attack by changing the subject to focus on someone else's misconduct,
    implying that all criticism is invalid because no one is completely
    blameless:" <https://www.dictionary.com/browse/whataboutism?

    Every time nospam retorts with a claim that Samsung controls everything
    that Apple does that's bad, nospam is invoking this whataboutism tactic.

    In effect, nospam's belief is Apple is incompetent at making decisions.

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  • From Bob Campbell@21:1/5 to Alan on Mon Jul 31 13:36:59 2023
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    Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
    <yawn>

    Raise your game, Arlen.

    Repeating the same ridiculous shit over and over and over is the best he
    can do.

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  • From Alan@21:1/5 to Wally J on Mon Jul 31 08:10:09 2023
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    On 2023-07-31 07:14, Wally J wrote:
    Bob Campbell <nunya@none.none> wrote

    Repeating the same ridiculous shit over and over and over is the best he
    can do.

    For once Bob Campbell is correct that nospam repeats the same ridiculous
    shit every time he has to make excuses for the bad things that Apple does.

    With only a half dozen types of excuses, nospam often uses whataboutism.
    "a conversational tactic in which a person responds to an argument
    or attack by changing the subject to focus on someone else's misconduct,
    implying that all criticism is invalid because no one is completely
    blameless:" <https://www.dictionary.com/browse/whataboutism?

    Every time nospam retorts with a claim that Samsung controls everything
    that Apple does that's bad, nospam is invoking this whataboutism tactic.

    In effect, nospam's belief is Apple is incompetent at making decisions.

    Arlen...

    ...you're boring me.

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  • From Falafel Balls@21:1/5 to Alan on Tue Aug 1 03:14:11 2023
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    On 31/7/2023, Alan wrote:

    ...you're boring me.

    What I thought was useful was the knowledge that nospam constantly laments "Poor little Apple has no control over their product line decisions."

    According to nospam, it's Samsung who controls everything Apple does.

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  • From You're Kidding@21:1/5 to Alan on Tue Aug 1 02:05:29 2023
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    On Jul 31, 2023 at 11:10:09 AM EDT, "Alan" <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:

    On 2023-07-31 07:14, Wally J wrote:
    Bob Campbell <nunya@none.none> wrote

    Repeating the same ridiculous shit over and over and over is the best he >>> can do.

    For once Bob Campbell is correct that nospam repeats the same ridiculous
    shit every time he has to make excuses for the bad things that Apple does. >>
    With only a half dozen types of excuses, nospam often uses whataboutism.
    "a conversational tactic in which a person responds to an argument
    or attack by changing the subject to focus on someone else's misconduct, >> implying that all criticism is invalid because no one is completely
    blameless:" <https://www.dictionary.com/browse/whataboutism?> Every time >> nospam retorts with a claim that Samsung controls everything
    that Apple does that's bad, nospam is invoking this whataboutism tactic.

    In effect, nospam's belief is Apple is incompetent at making decisions.

    Arlen...

    ...you're boring me.

    Finally?

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  • From Alan@21:1/5 to You're Kidding on Mon Jul 31 21:08:33 2023
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    On 2023-07-31 19:05, You're Kidding wrote:
    On Jul 31, 2023 at 11:10:09 AM EDT, "Alan" <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:

    On 2023-07-31 07:14, Wally J wrote:
    Bob Campbell <nunya@none.none> wrote

    Repeating the same ridiculous shit over and over and over is the best he >>>> can do.

    For once Bob Campbell is correct that nospam repeats the same ridiculous >>> shit every time he has to make excuses for the bad things that Apple does. >>>
    With only a half dozen types of excuses, nospam often uses whataboutism. >>> "a conversational tactic in which a person responds to an argument
    or attack by changing the subject to focus on someone else's misconduct,
    implying that all criticism is invalid because no one is completely
    blameless:" <https://www.dictionary.com/browse/whataboutism?> Every time >>> nospam retorts with a claim that Samsung controls everything
    that Apple does that's bad, nospam is invoking this whataboutism tactic. >>>
    In effect, nospam's belief is Apple is incompetent at making decisions.

    Arlen...

    ...you're boring me.

    Finally?

    Well...he's been amusing for a good long while.

    But now he's just getting TOO repetitive.

    No originality at all.

    ;-)

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  • From Alan Browne@21:1/5 to Alan on Tue Aug 1 10:32:06 2023
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    On 2023-08-01 00:08, Alan wrote:

    But now he's just getting TOO repetitive.

    No originality at all.

    So you'll ignore it now - and not give it oxygen?

    --
    “If you torture the data long enough, it will confess to anything."
    -Ronald Coase

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  • From Alan@21:1/5 to Alan Browne on Wed Aug 2 14:03:57 2023
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    On 2023-08-01 07:32, Alan Browne wrote:
    On 2023-08-01 00:08, Alan wrote:

    But now he's just getting TOO repetitive.

    No originality at all.

    So you'll ignore it now - and not give it oxygen?


    The mote in someone else's eye...

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  • From Wally J@21:1/5 to Wally J on Wed Oct 4 21:50:04 2023
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    Wally J <walterjones@invalid.nospam> wrote

    And yet what remains is that every time nospam needs to manufacture an
    excuse for why Apple does all the bad things that Apple does...

    He always employs whataboutism to claim Apple was forced to do it (by
    Google and Samsung and Microsoft and all the other companies he lists). https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whataboutism

    Specifically, nospam is claiming that Apple only follows what others do.

    More whataboutism today.

    Every time an Apple user is confronted with facts (such as the fact that
    iOS always has two to three times the number of zero-day holes), the Apple
    user is _desperate_ to defend those flaws using the illogical whataboutism.

    Dorper <usenet@dorper.me> wrote

    Hint: No smartphone OS is anywhere nearly as insecure as iOS is.
    (hackers don't even need to be within a thousand miles of your phone to
    completely and fully take it over any time they want to - for years!)

    In other news, Android has released it's latest security update:

    https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/security/android-october-security- update-fixes-zero-days-exploited-in-attacks/
    Including fixes for "54 unique vulnerabilities, including two known to be actively exploited." Of the 54 fixes concerning Android 11 through 13, five are rated critical, and two concern remote code execution problems.

    It's classic for Apple users to blame everyone but Apple for the flaws in
    Apple devices. It's called "whataboutism" & only Apple users do it.
    <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whataboutism>

    I know exactly why you used whataboutism to defend against Apple's flaw.
    I wonder if you do?

    Probably not.
    Let's just say that only Apple people do what you just did, Dorper.

    Adults don't do it. Specifically...

    You'll _never_ see someone on Android doing what you just did, Dorper.
    Nor on Windows newsgroups.

    Only Apple newsgroups.
    Where almost every "excuse" for Apple's flaws is whataboutism incarnate.

    This "whataboutism" of blaming everyone but Apple _starts with Apple_
    and it's a hallmark of Apple users to blame others for Apple's flaws.

    *Why don't we look at the zero-day holes in iOS*, Dorper.
    Shall we?

    I get it you are desperate to defend Apple's honor, but then you must know
    how many zero-day bugs Apple had this year (and every year!) compared to Android, right?

    No?
    You don't know?

    Hmmmm.... classic.

    Here... allow me to help you to think logically & sensibly, OK?

    What you're _not_ saying is that iOS has had 17 zero-days this year alone - which is something like two to three times the zero-days of Android last we checked (since this happens every year).

    By definition, a zero day is a bug that Apple forgot to find in testing.
    Right?

    So that's two to three times (every year - year after year) that Apple's
    iOS has zero-day holes that Apple forgot to find in their iOS 'testing'.

    HINT: That's a lot!

    Why... might you ask... is iOS always two to three times less secure?
    I (think I) know why.

    Do you?
    --
    Note: We've already discussed that this doesn't even count the _exploited_
    zero days, where you dispute that iOS has _ten times_ the active exploits!

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