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    From Ed Cryer@21:1/5 to All on Thu Sep 14 19:09:49 2023
    It's lost it. It's become just a corporate giant, as IBM was when Apple launched their "let's be different" campaign way back.
    And the products show it; they're no longer driven by Steve Jobs' almost
    manic charisma. God bless him, wherever he is.
    Updates are badly tested, frequent bug-fixes issued, competitors have
    overtaken them, Apple Corp is full of bums-on-chairs.

    When Steve Jobs was CEO you bought into sitting in a restaurant with
    him, discussing Thomas Kuhn's The Structure of Scientific Revolutions,
    or Zen Buddhism and the difference between intuition and intellect. But
    not now. You buy a gadget now.

    I want that old mixture back; scientific progress and culture. But I
    doubt it'll come readily. Such driven personalities with sufficient
    balls to bring it about, are few and far between.
    Do we want them to keep on coming? Yes, we do. They push the world
    forward; give us the notion of progress.

    Ed

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  • From candycanearter07@21:1/5 to Ed Cryer on Thu Sep 14 14:39:25 2023
    On 9/14/23 13:09, Ed Cryer wrote:
    It's lost it. It's become just a corporate giant, as IBM was when Apple launched their "let's be different" campaign way back.

    So you're saying they became what they swore to destroy?

    I want that old mixture back; scientific progress and culture. But I
    doubt it'll come readily. Such driven personalities with sufficient
    balls to bring it about, are few and far between.
    Do we want them to keep on coming? Yes, we do. They push the world
    forward; give us the notion of progress.

    Don't they usually get suppressed by big companies for the bottom line?

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  • From Ed Cryer@21:1/5 to All on Thu Sep 14 21:53:03 2023
    candycanearter07 wrote:
    On 9/14/23 13:09, Ed Cryer wrote:
    It's lost it. It's become just a corporate giant, as IBM was when
    Apple launched their "let's be different" campaign way back.

    So you're saying they became what they swore to destroy?


    Yes. But IBM never had a Steve Jobs.
    They never had someone trying to bring beauty into tech; someone with a
    higher vision than science; someone who kept going time and again to
    Japan in search of the meaning of life; someone looking beyond profit
    and comfort.

    Ed

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  • From candycanearter07@21:1/5 to Ed Cryer on Thu Sep 14 17:00:59 2023
    On 9/14/23 15:53, Ed Cryer wrote:
    candycanearter07 wrote:
    On 9/14/23 13:09, Ed Cryer wrote:
    It's lost it. It's become just a corporate giant, as IBM was when
    Apple launched their "let's be different" campaign way back.

    So you're saying they became what they swore to destroy?


    Yes. But IBM never had a Steve Jobs.
    They never had someone trying to bring beauty into tech; someone with a higher vision than science; someone who kept going time and again to
    Japan in search of the meaning of life; someone looking beyond profit
    and comfort.

    Ed



    So a fall from grace..

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  • From John Hill@21:1/5 to Ed Cryer on Fri Sep 15 08:22:09 2023
    On 14 Sep 2023 at 19:09:49 BST, "Ed Cryer" <ed@somewhere.in.the.uk> wrote:

    It's lost it. It's become just a corporate giant, as IBM was when Apple launched their "let's be different" campaign way back.
    And the products show it; they're no longer driven by Steve Jobs' almost manic charisma. God bless him, wherever he is.
    Updates are badly tested, frequent bug-fixes issued, competitors have overtaken them, Apple Corp is full of bums-on-chairs.

    When Steve Jobs was CEO you bought into sitting in a restaurant with
    him, discussing Thomas Kuhn's The Structure of Scientific Revolutions,
    or Zen Buddhism and the difference between intuition and intellect. But
    not now. You buy a gadget now.

    I want that old mixture back; scientific progress and culture. But I
    doubt it'll come readily. Such driven personalities with sufficient
    balls to bring it about, are few and far between.
    Do we want them to keep on coming? Yes, we do. They push the world
    forward; give us the notion of progress.

    Ed

    Did you ever read "Animal Farm" by George Orwell?

    Let's see what happens to Arc!

    John.
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    You're not an old dog until you can't learn new tricks.

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  • From News@21:1/5 to Ed Cryer on Fri Sep 15 09:49:07 2023
    On 9/14/2023 4:53 PM, Ed Cryer wrote:
    candycanearter07 wrote:
    On 9/14/23 13:09, Ed Cryer wrote:
    It's lost it. It's become just a corporate giant, as IBM was when
    Apple launched their "let's be different" campaign way back.

    So you're saying they became what they swore to destroy?


    Yes. But IBM never had a Steve Jobs.
    They never had someone trying to bring beauty into tech; someone with a higher vision than science; someone who kept going time and again to
    Japan in search of the meaning of life; someone looking beyond profit
    and comfort.

    Ed



    IBM had alarming FUD. Apple had shiny FUD.

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  • From Ed Cryer@21:1/5 to All on Fri Sep 15 19:24:26 2023
    candycanearter07 wrote:
    On 9/14/23 15:53, Ed Cryer wrote:
    candycanearter07 wrote:
    On 9/14/23 13:09, Ed Cryer wrote:
    It's lost it. It's become just a corporate giant, as IBM was when
    Apple launched their "let's be different" campaign way back.

    So you're saying they became what they swore to destroy?


    Yes. But IBM never had a Steve Jobs.
    They never had someone trying to bring beauty into tech; someone with
    a higher vision than science; someone who kept going time and again to
    Japan in search of the meaning of life; someone looking beyond profit
    and comfort.

    Ed



    So a fall from grace..


    Have you studied history?
    Political history? Social history? History written by the winners?
    History written by the losers? History written by academics?
    Well, I was taught political history. And it's full of charismatic
    leaders. Alexander of Macedon; Julius Caesar; Napoleon Bonaparte;
    Winston Churchill. They were inspirational, highly motivated, and people thronged to them in masses. They followed them like sheep, but they
    weren't sheep, they just recognised a winning genius.
    Larger than life characters, from one angle almost saints, from another
    devils.

    History will tell us about the great pioneers of the rise of IT. It will include Bill Gates, Steve Wozniak, and foremost Steve Jobs.

    Ed

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