in a feeble attempt to paint
Apple as supposedly "not caring about customer safety".
Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote
in a feeble attempt to paint Apple as supposedly "not caring about
customer safety".
You're desperate
Nah, that would be you, spending every hour of every day trolling
newsgroups for products from a company you have a raging little hate
boner for instead of leading a productive life like a normal person.
Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote
Nah, that would be you, spending every hour of every day trolling
newsgroups for products from a company you have a raging little hate
boner for instead of leading a productive life like a normal person.
I study strange people like you, Jolly Roger. Which is why I love
you.
What I find interesting is how _afraid_ you are of me, Jolly Roger.
You're a cowardly, tiny man child. And you are
scared of the world.
On 11/18/2023 3:53 PM, Wally J wrote:
AJL <noemail@none.com> wrote
I like your FM radio. I was just saying in emergencies, HAM is nice
too.
Agreed. Having both would be better in an emergency. They both have
their uses. My receiver would be better at receiving the commercial
bands (AM, FM, SW) where most local and national emergency news
broadcasts would be found. And your 2 meter handheld ham transceiver
(with a mountaintop repeater) would serve communications in your local
area with other hams.
the power goes out two and three times a month in the dry months
(which, in California, is most of the year) but only about once a
month on the winter wet season
Things are better here. It's been well over a year since the last power failure. Usually it's a car or storm taking down a power pole and they
can usually reroute within a couple of hours or so.
(which started today, by the way, as it's raining).
Yep. Your storm came this way and got my driveway (slightly) wet...
Of course every one of us (thousands upon thousands of homes in the
mountains) has a 240VAC generator or two, plus battery backups, etc.
That would be wise considering the conditions you describe...
We even have special meters from PG&E that we can hook our generators
up _directly_ to the meter when the power goes out. Fancy that from
PG&E!
Neat. Here some folks have solar panels with storage batteries so they
can get a few extra hours from the batteries in a power failure.
_everyone_ in the neighborhood has them [BAOFENG UV-5R]. That's many
hundreds of people who all have the same HAM radio as I do. What
happened is one HAM enthusiast aficionado long ago sent out a
suggestion we all chip in twenty-five bucks each and that would cover
the radio and the testing
Back in the day (got my first ticket in 1956) you had to pass a written
AND a Morse Code test. Guess not anymore...
Another back in the day story: Some of our original mountaintop
repeaters had autopatches. There was a landline connection at the
repeater site. You could actually call someone using your 2 meter
handheld. This was pre-cellphone days so very handy. Course it wasn't
very private since all of Phoenix hamdom could listen in...
- which was why those two radios plus two tests cost me only fifty
bucks (one for my wife and the other for me).
Things are apparently a lot cheaper now, though I did used to get some
pretty good deals at hamfests.
We have sequential federal Id's (ain't that sweet) where I don't
remember them so since they have to be used, I write them on the back
of the radio.
Do you mean licenses with call letters? IIRC California was in the 6th
call district. AZ is in the 7th and my call starts with W7...
Are those BAOFENG UV-5R radios any good?
Specs look Ok. If they're reliable as is your repeater then they should
work just fine.
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baofeng_UV-5R>
AJL <noemail@none.com> wrote
On 11/18/2023 3:53 PM, Wally J wrote:
AJL <noemail@none.com> wrote
I like your FM radio. I was just saying in emergencies, HAM is nice
too.
Agreed. Having both would be better in an emergency. They both have
their uses. My receiver would be better at receiving the commercial
bands (AM, FM, SW) where most local and national emergency news
broadcasts would be found. And your 2 meter handheld ham transceiver
(with a mountaintop repeater) would serve communications in your local
area with other hams.
Living in the Santa Cruz mountains, we are pretty much used to the
electrical power going out monthly & fires burning down entire
mountainsides every few years, landslides blocking the roads during the
rainy season, and of course, a few earthquakes a year so we know the
inherent safety value of not only the ubiquitous FM radio in cellphones,
but also the ability for local area communications via the ham radio & mountaintop repeaters (where we have fantastic LOS views to them).
That's my point about the FM radio in the cellphone, which is that it's always better to have a flashlight than not to have the flashlight.
The Apple people, for example, not only pay twice as much to NOT have the flashlight, but they have to pay Apple to get back the missing flashlight.
And they are told by Apple that paying for missing stuff that Apple took
away from them is the modern way to do things in the Apple ecosystem. :)
the power goes out two and three times a month in the dry months
(which, in California, is most of the year) but only about once a
month on the winter wet season
Things are better here. It's been well over a year since the last power
failure. Usually it's a car or storm taking down a power pole and they
can usually reroute within a couple of hours or so.
You're lucky. We pay some of the highest electricity rates in the nation,
and we get nearly the most outages per year in the nation.
The only good thing about that is the CPUC forces PG&E to give us free
stuff related to the many power outages a year. For example, I got a dual-fuel DuroMax XP5500EH generator from PG&E even though I already have a built-in Generac that runs on propane.
<https://www.pge.com/en/outages-and-safety/outage-preparedness-and-support/general-outage-resources/generator-and-battery-rebate-program.html>
(which started today, by the way, as it's raining).
Yep. Your storm came this way and got my driveway (slightly) wet...
Yeah, we don't normally get rain from about March or April to about now. Sometimes we get rivers of rain. Sometimes not. It's fickle. Weather.
Of course every one of us (thousands upon thousands of homes in the
mountains) has a 240VAC generator or two, plus battery backups, etc.
That would be wise considering the conditions you describe...
I don't know a single person that doesn't have at least one generator. Unfortunately, some people use a suicide cord, which is just dangerous.
The funny thing is because we're in the highest fire danger area of the country, PG&E will give us a lot of free stuff for the power outages.
If you follow the rules, you get a lot of free stuff like...
a. A free portable power generator
b. A free backup power transfer meter to connect it to
c. A free portable emergency 2KW battery with 120VAC output
d. A free 4-liter 120VAC/12VDC refrigerator
You have to follow the rules though. For example, PG&E insists our portable generators have a NEMA L1430R Locking Outlet which they use to connect to their proprietary backup transfer meters, which are really neat devices.
I don't know if anywhere else in the country has these new devices but us.
<https://energycentral.com/news/first-its-kind-technology-allows-pge-customers-safely-and-easily-connect-backup-power-their>
We even have special meters from PG&E that we can hook our generators
up _directly_ to the meter when the power goes out. Fancy that from
PG&E!
Neat. Here some folks have solar panels with storage batteries so they
can get a few extra hours from the batteries in a power failure.
BTW, PG&E applied for a patent and says they designed these switches.
<https://www.businesswire.com/news/home/20220217005846/en/First-of-its-Kind-Technology-Allows-PGE-Customers-to-Safely-and-Easily-Connect-Backup-Power-to-Their-Homes>
It's a really neat device they give us to connect to the generator.
<https://solarbuildermag.com/policy/pge-built-a-transfer-device-for-homes-in-high-fire-threat-districts-to-connect-backup-power-sources/>
But you can only get it from PG&E for free if you're in the worst fire
danger area and if they cut off your power due to frequent EPSS trips.
<https://www.power-grid.com/smart-grid/pge-develops-backup-generator-meter-for-fire-threat-prone-customers/>
_everyone_ in the neighborhood has them [BAOFENG UV-5R]. That's many
hundreds of people who all have the same HAM radio as I do. What
happened is one HAM enthusiast aficionado long ago sent out a
suggestion we all chip in twenty-five bucks each and that would cover
the radio and the testing
Back in the day (got my first ticket in 1956) you had to pass a written
AND a Morse Code test. Guess not anymore...
No Morse Code anymore. But you do have to pass the written test.
The way I passed the test was I put on my iPad a zillion free HAM radio tests, which contained the EXACT QUESTIONS to the exams (so it was easy).
You can see my Ham Radio folder on my iPad in this old graphic in fact.
<https://i.postimg.cc/LXzB3Lc0/appleid01.jpg> Apple _forces_ a log in!
Another back in the day story: Some of our original mountaintop
repeaters had autopatches. There was a landline connection at the
repeater site. You could actually call someone using your 2 meter
handheld. This was pre-cellphone days so very handy. Course it wasn't
very private since all of Phoenix hamdom could listen in...
I know what you mean, but I don't know if the repeater we mostly use has that, but we have gotten people from extremely far away on the radio.
I don't play with it all that much. Mostly I bring it on my backcountry hikes, where it's my emergency backup in case I break a leg or get bitten
by a rattler or whatever.
An FM radio isn't needed on hikes as much as a HAM radio would be; but if there was an emergency, I pity all those Apple iPhone owners without FM radios since they have to buy an FM radio just to get back what was previously already there for free in the first place (which Apple removed
to protect their streaming revenue). They have to keep it plugged in or
with batteries. And they have to find it in an emergency when their phone
is already in their hands. Apple hoodwinked them. And they ate it all up.
- which was why those two radios plus two tests cost me only fifty
bucks (one for my wife and the other for me).
Things are apparently a lot cheaper now, though I did used to get some
pretty good deals at hamfests.
I didn't do any of the buying but the guy who bought a thousand of them (or whatever the number was) got some kind of bulk deal so I'm happy with this.
<https://i.postimg.cc/1zvGYNZt/hamradio.jpg> $25 bucks, including the test
We have sequential federal Id's (ain't that sweet) where I don't
remember them so since they have to be used, I write them on the back
of the radio.
Do you mean licenses with call letters? IIRC California was in the 6th
call district. AZ is in the 7th and my call starts with W7...
Oh my. I am glad I told you I was ignorant as I really forgot everything.
All I know is I need to mention my call sign every five minutes or so.
I don't remember it. So I taped it to the back of the radio.
Lemme look for you... OK... my call sign is of the KMxxxx type, but some of my neighbors are ABxxx (notice only 5 characters for them but 6 for mine).
As I said, I stuff the HAM radio into my pack when I do backcountry hiking, just in case, but I really never need to use it but, of course, if I don't put it in my pack, that's when I'll need to use it (Murphy's Law).
Are those BAOFENG UV-5R radios any good?
Specs look Ok. If they're reliable as is your repeater then they should
work just fine.
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baofeng_UV-5R>
Thanks for checking on that as I wasn't sure how to respond to your first suggestion that the radio would not be powerful enough. It works for me.
I talked the 3,500 gallon propane truck into giving me more than 85% as I normally run the built-in generator which runs off of propane.
But I have a Nash Fuel hose so that I can fill up the twenty pound propane tanks from my 1,000 gallon residential propane tank and then I have the
Flame King adaptor to fill my one-pound propane tanks from the twenty
pounder (which is all very convenient). I refuel my cars at home too. :)
<https://www.costco.com/flame-king-refillable-1lb.-empty-propane-cylinder-tank-16.4-oz%2C-2-pack---with-refill-kit.product.100679019.html>
You learn to be self sufficient in the mountains, where, for example I even refill my five pound carbon dioxide tank myself, with dry ice, and then I
use a high-pressure stainless steel hose to refill sodastream canisters.
As another example, all of us have either a T-Mobile, AT&T or Verizon femtocell (connected to the router) or a two-piece cellular repeater (I
have both) so that our signal strength is perfect inside the house even though we're miles from the nearest cell towers.
<https://i.postimg.cc/XJChDCPr/spare-access-points.jpg> cellular repeater
We are so far in the boonies, that we don't have the option of cable, so we get all our Internet over the air from a nearby mountaintop too. Which
makes us pretty self sufficient in an emergency...
<https://i.postimg.cc/Gh22Sb2N/desktop.jpg> Desktop in shed with MikroTik
Which, to come full circle, is why we know to feel sorry for the hapless iPhone users because having an FM radio on the phone is always better than not having it (despite Apple convincing them otherwise, somehow).
If you want photos of anything I've said above, just ask. I was gonna snap some and upload them as I am a stickler for facts - but it's night and they'll suck without good light but in the morning let me know if there's
any emergency safety item you're interesting in more information on,
as I have everything that I said above - most for emergency purposes.
Including the FM radio, aux jack & sd card in my free Galaxy A32-5G phone.
Can you send pics?
Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote
You're a cowardly, tiny man child. And you are scared of the world.
you try to attack me... trying to insult me.
Why?
So be it.
On 11/18/2023 10:47 PM, Wally J wrote:
AJL <noemail@none.com> wrote
we don't normally get rain from about March or April to about now.
Sometimes we get rivers of rain. Sometimes not. It's fickle.
Weather.
Things are pretty constant here in the desert, hot and dry...
I don't know a single person that doesn't have at least one
generator. Unfortunately, some people use a suicide cord, which is
just dangerous.
I had to look up 'suicide cord' cause in my last (and final) job I ran
across a few folks who had hung themselves using an electric cord. But
Google set me straight...
Back in the day (got my first ticket in 1956) you had to pass a
written AND a Morse Code test. Guess not anymore...
No Morse Code anymore.
Last I listened to the ham CW (Continuous Wave = Morse Code) bands they
were dead. I suspect most all the CW ops I used to work are now dead too...
But you do have to pass the written test. The way I passed the test
was I put on my iPad a zillion free HAM radio tests, which contained
the EXACT QUESTIONS to the exams (so it was easy).
They had study books in the old days, but pretty much the same thing.
I don't know if the repeater we mostly use has that [autopatch],
Probably not. No reason these days with cell phones.
but we have gotten people from extremely far away on the radio.
Depends on the repeater location and height. I could work hams in Tucson
from Phoenix cause the repeater was on our South Mountain and had line
of sight to both cities.
I don't play with it [ham radio] all that much. Mostly I bring it on
my backcountry hikes, where it's my emergency backup in case I break
a leg or get bitten by a rattler or whatever.
Depends on the backcountry and where the repeater is cause 2 meter
repeaters generally require line of sight to work.
An FM radio isn't needed on hikes as much as a HAM radio would be;
but if there was an emergency
I see no value of an FM radio on a hike. A ham radio and/or cellphone
makes more sense for the type of emergency likely encountered there.
my call sign is of the KMxxxx type,
I'm gonna guess that your call is KM6xxx if it goes by the old ways I remember. 6 is for the 6th district which is (was?) CA.
but some of my neighbors are ABxxx (notice only 5 characters for
them but 6 for mine).
4 character calls used to be reserved for the Extra Class (highest) ham license. It was a status symbol. Regular 5 character calls (like mine - W7xxx) were for everyone else (Technician, General, and Advanced).
Except the Novice license which had an extra "N" inserted until they
upgraded and lost the 'N' (they only had a year to upgrade). They ran
out of the 5 character calls in the 60s IIRC so started the 6 character licenses. But things are likely different now, and I've not kept up.
all of us have either a T-Mobile, AT&T or Verizon femtocell
(connected to the router) or a two-piece cellular repeater (I have
both) so that our signal strength is perfect inside the house even
though we're miles from the nearest cell towers.
My Verizon is two bars in the house but I use WiFi calling and that
solves the problem. Calls are then like a landline.
We are so far in the boonies, that we don't have the option of
cable, so we get all our Internet over the air from a nearby
mountaintop too. Which makes us pretty self sufficient in an
emergency...
My cable is pretty good but when it does go out the WiFi calling is too
dumb to know it. It's apparently programmed to switch to the cell when
it loses the WiFi signal but not when the WiFi is good but the Internet
is gone. So a dead phone IF I don't happen to be online and catch it...
Hilarious question coming from the loser troll who has been slinging
little schoolyard juvenile "iKook" and "low IQ" insults at everyone in
the Apple newsgroups who dares to use a certain product for which he has
a raging, tiny, little hate boner for literal years...
I know what Apple is better at than anyone else in the world, JR.
Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote
Hilarious question coming from the loser troll who has been slinging
little schoolyard juvenile "iKook" and "low IQ" insults at everyone in
the Apple newsgroups who dares to use a certain product for which he has
a raging, tiny, little hate boner for literal years...
I try to understand you strange people, Jolly Roger, so I love your posts.
You want this newsgroup to be all about the Apple YELLOW advertisements, which are "way cool" and you want it to be about their special glass that nobody else has the trademark for, and you want us to gloat about Apple's profits because that makes you feel your herd decisions are correct, etc.
I get it, Jolly Roger.
You want this newsgroup to only talk about Apple's marketing gimmicks.
Whenever Apple spouts a new marketing gimmick (titanium!!!!!!!!!!!), you
want all of us to rave about it - so that you feel better about your phone.
OK. I'll help you.
Do you want to know what Apple is the best in the world at, Jolly Roger?
I know what Apple is better at than anyone else in the world, JR.
Do you know what Apple does best?
I do.
On Nov 20, 2023 at 4:39:09 PM EST, "Wally J" <walterjones@invalid.nospam> wrote:
I know what Apple is better at than anyone else in the world, JR.
DJT is actually Wally J?
On 11/20/23 15:39, Wally J wrote:
Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote
Hilarious question coming from the loser troll who has been slinging
little schoolyard juvenile "iKook" and "low IQ" insults at everyone in
the Apple newsgroups who dares to use a certain product for which he has >>> a raging, tiny, little hate boner for literal years...
I try to understand you strange people, Jolly Roger, so I love your posts. >>
You want this newsgroup to be all about the Apple YELLOW advertisements,
which are "way cool" and you want it to be about their special glass that
nobody else has the trademark for, and you want us to gloat about Apple's
profits because that makes you feel your herd decisions are correct, etc.
I get it, Jolly Roger.
You want this newsgroup to only talk about Apple's marketing gimmicks.
Whenever Apple spouts a new marketing gimmick (titanium!!!!!!!!!!!), you
want all of us to rave about it - so that you feel better about your phone. >>
OK. I'll help you.
Do you want to know what Apple is the best in the world at, Jolly Roger?
I know what Apple is better at than anyone else in the world, JR.
Do you know what Apple does best?
I do.
Wow, they market phone material? Geez..
Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote
Hilarious question coming from the loser troll who has been slinging
little schoolyard juvenile "iKook" and "low IQ" insults at everyone
in the Apple newsgroups who dares to use a certain product for which
he has a raging, tiny, little hate boner for literal years...
I try to understand you strange people
You want this newsgroup to be all about the Apple YELLOW
No other company markets their products!
I try to understand you strange people
You live to insult people. It's pretty much all you do.
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