• Apple publicly apologizes for celebrating its destruction of the human

    From Larry Wolff@21:1/5 to All on Thu May 9 21:28:30 2024
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    Apple apologizes for its iPad Pro ad https://www.cnn.com/2024/05/09/tech/apple-apologizes-for-ipad-pro-ad/index.html The ad celebrated Apple's destruction of human creativity and art.

    Apple apologizes for iPad ad https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2024/05/09/apple-ipad-ad-apology/ Apple apologized for destroying beloved physical tools used by artists.

    https://variety.com/2024/digital/news/apple-ipad-pro-ad-criticism-hugh-grant-1235996294/
    Apple has been interpreted as a visual depiction of Apple's
    devastation of cultural industries, where Apple is celebrating
    the destruction of the human experience.

    https://adage.com/article/digital-marketing-ad-tech-news/apple-apologizes-ipad-pro-crushed-ad-it-missed-mark/2559321
    Because Apple celebrated a grim representation of technology crushing the history of human creativity, the tech giant no longer plans to run the commercial on TV.

    https://www.techradar.com/tablets/ipad/apple-scraps-ipad-pro-crushed-ad-and-issues-rare-apology-and-it-was-the-right-thing-to-do
    On Thursday, Apple's VP of Marketing Communications Tor Myhren told Ad Age
    it would not air the ad on TV (it's still at this writing on YouTube),

    https://mashable.com/article/crush-ipad-commercial
    Companies don't have to pretend they respect their customers; they just
    have to get them to part with their money.

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  • From Jolly Roger@21:1/5 to Larry Wolff on Fri May 10 03:06:21 2024
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    On 2024-05-10, Larry Wolff <larrywolff@larrywolff.net> wrote:

    The ad celebrated Apple's destruction of human creativity and art.

    According to clowns and trolls.

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  • From Chris Schram@21:1/5 to Chris Schram on Fri May 10 07:00:10 2024
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    On 2024-05-10, Chris Schram <chrispam1@me.com> wrote:
    On 2024-05-10, Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
    On 2024-05-10, Larry Wolff <larrywolff@larrywolff.net> wrote:

    The ad celebrated Apple's destruction of human creativity and art.

    According to clowns and trolls.

    I found the ad visually stunning on one level, but pretty creepy on
    another. Overall, not the best way to tout the iPad's artistic
    versatility.

    I neglected to include the link to Stephen Colbert's grisly parody of
    Apple's ad:

    <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9FHTbsxx9JQ>

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    things simultaneously fail to go wrong. -- Dan Farkas, 3/3/2007

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  • From Chris Schram@21:1/5 to Jolly Roger on Fri May 10 06:36:25 2024
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    On 2024-05-10, Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
    On 2024-05-10, Larry Wolff <larrywolff@larrywolff.net> wrote:

    The ad celebrated Apple's destruction of human creativity and art.

    According to clowns and trolls.

    I found the ad visually stunning on one level, but pretty creepy on
    another. Overall, not the best way to tout the iPad's artistic
    versatility.

    --
    chrispam1@me.com is an infrequently monitored address. Email may get lost. Networking: What happens when, for as long as a moment, billions of
    things simultaneously fail to go wrong. -- Dan Farkas, 3/3/2007

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  • From Blueshirt@21:1/5 to Chris Schram on Fri May 10 09:59:06 2024
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    Chris Schram wrote:

    On 2024-05-10, Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
    On 2024-05-10, Larry Wolff <larrywolff@larrywolff.net> wrote:

    The ad celebrated Apple's destruction of human creativity
    and art.

    According to clowns and trolls.

    I found the ad visually stunning on one level, but pretty
    creepy on another. Overall, not the best way to tout the
    iPad's artistic versatility.

    It looked good and I could see what they were trying to convey,
    but at the end of the day it was just an advert...

    People these days seem easily triggered and want to complain
    about everything.

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  • From Alan Browne@21:1/5 to Chris Schram on Fri May 10 07:09:17 2024
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    On 2024-05-10 02:36, Chris Schram wrote:
    On 2024-05-10, Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
    On 2024-05-10, Larry Wolff <larrywolff@larrywolff.net> wrote:

    The ad celebrated Apple's destruction of human creativity and art.

    According to clowns and trolls.

    I found the ad visually stunning on one level, but pretty creepy on
    another. Overall, not the best way to tout the iPad's artistic
    versatility.

    Apple blew it.

    That said, those "reacting" to it overblew their reaction too.

    (And of course there is no such thing as bad publicity, so the whole
    blowup just gains more attention to the M4 iPad Pro).

    --
    “Patriotism is when love of your own people comes first;
    nationalism, when hate for people other than your own comes first.”
    - Charles de Gaulle.

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  • From Tyrone@21:1/5 to All on Fri May 10 13:37:26 2024
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    On May 9, 2024 at 9:28:30 PM EDT, "Larry Wolff" <larrywolff@larrywolff.net> wrote:

    Apple apologizes for its iPad Pro ad https://www.cnn.com/2024/05/09/tech/apple-apologizes-for-ipad-pro-ad/index.html
    The ad celebrated Apple's destruction of human creativity and art.

    People still watch commercials? How quaint.

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  • From Alan@21:1/5 to Blueshirt on Fri May 10 07:53:30 2024
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    On 2024-05-10 02:59, Blueshirt wrote:
    Chris Schram wrote:

    On 2024-05-10, Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
    On 2024-05-10, Larry Wolff <larrywolff@larrywolff.net> wrote:

    The ad celebrated Apple's destruction of human creativity
    and art.

    According to clowns and trolls.

    I found the ad visually stunning on one level, but pretty
    creepy on another. Overall, not the best way to tout the
    iPad's artistic versatility.

    It looked good and I could see what they were trying to convey,
    but at the end of the day it was just an advert...

    People these days seem easily triggered and want to complain
    about everything.

    Amen.

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  • From Jolly Roger@21:1/5 to Chris Schram on Fri May 10 18:33:42 2024
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    On 2024-05-10, Chris Schram <chrispam1@me.com> wrote:
    On 2024-05-10, Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
    On 2024-05-10, Larry Wolff <larrywolff@larrywolff.net> wrote:

    The ad celebrated Apple's destruction of human creativity and art.

    According to clowns and trolls.

    I found the ad visually stunning on one level, but pretty creepy on
    another. Overall, not the best way to tout the iPad's artistic
    versatility.

    I usually tune out Apple advertisements during their announcements (and
    I generally avoid watching advertisements in general anyway). I was
    indifferent to it when I watched it again, and I don't take anyone
    claiming to be offended by it very seriously. It's just an ad.

    --
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    JR

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  • From Alan Browne@21:1/5 to Alan Browne on Fri May 10 15:54:34 2024
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    On 2024-05-10 07:09, Alan Browne wrote:
    On 2024-05-10 03:00, Chris Schram wrote:
    On 2024-05-10, Chris Schram <chrispam1@me.com> wrote:
    On 2024-05-10, Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
    On 2024-05-10, Larry Wolff <larrywolff@larrywolff.net> wrote:

    The ad celebrated Apple's destruction of human creativity and art.

    According to clowns and trolls.

    I found the ad visually stunning on one level, but pretty creepy on
    another. Overall, not the best way to tout the iPad's artistic
    versatility.

    I neglected to include the link to Stephen Colbert's grisly parody of
    Apple's ad:

    <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9FHTbsxx9JQ>

    I'll look at that later - love his takes.

    Nasty ...

    --
    “Patriotism is when love of your own people comes first;
    nationalism, when hate for people other than your own comes first.”
    - Charles de Gaulle.

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  • From Alan@21:1/5 to Andrew on Fri May 10 14:33:50 2024
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    On 2024-05-10 14:30, Andrew wrote:
    Jolly Roger wrote on 10 May 2024 18:33:42 GMT :

    I found the ad visually stunning on one level, but pretty creepy on
    another. Overall, not the best way to tout the iPad's artistic
    versatility.

    I usually tune out Apple advertisements during their announcements (and
    I generally avoid watching advertisements in general anyway). I was
    indifferent to it when I watched it again, and I don't take anyone
    claiming to be offended by it very seriously. It's just an ad.

    Given all your statements about Apple come from Apple advertisements,

    LOL!

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  • From Andrew@21:1/5 to Jolly Roger on Fri May 10 21:30:26 2024
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    Jolly Roger wrote on 10 May 2024 18:33:42 GMT :

    I found the ad visually stunning on one level, but pretty creepy on
    another. Overall, not the best way to tout the iPad's artistic
    versatility.

    I usually tune out Apple advertisements during their announcements (and
    I generally avoid watching advertisements in general anyway). I was indifferent to it when I watched it again, and I don't take anyone
    claiming to be offended by it very seriously. It's just an ad.

    Given all your statements about Apple come from Apple advertisements, I
    find it not believable that you (or any of the Apple religious nuts) don't
    get all your information about Apple only from Apple's advertisements, JR.

    For years, for example, you Apple religious nutcases claimed iOS is more
    secure even as the iPhone is the most exploited phone in history.

    https://www.cisa.gov/known-exploited-vulnerabilities-catalog

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  • From Your Name@21:1/5 to Blueshirt on Sat May 11 10:20:10 2024
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    On 2024-05-10 09:59:06 +0000, Blueshirt said:
    Chris Schram wrote:
    On 2024-05-10, Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
    On 2024-05-10, Larry Wolff <larrywolff@larrywolff.net> wrote:

    The ad celebrated Apple's destruction of human creativity
    and art.

    According to clowns and trolls.

    I found the ad visually stunning on one level, but pretty
    creepy on another. Overall, not the best way to tout the
    iPad's artistic versatility.

    It looked good and I could see what they were trying to convey,
    but at the end of the day it was just an advert...

    People these days seem easily triggered and want to complain
    about everything.

    Yep. And the bigger problem is that big companies and governments keep
    behind over backwards to appease these very few complaining idiots. :-(

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  • From Chris Schram@21:1/5 to Alan on Fri May 10 22:22:22 2024
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    On Fri, 10 May 2024 14:33:50 -0700, Alan wrote:

    On 2024-05-10 14:30, Andrew wrote:
    Jolly Roger wrote on 10 May 2024 18:33:42 GMT :

    I found the ad visually stunning on one level, but pretty creepy on
    another. Overall, not the best way to tout the iPad's artistic
    versatility.

    I usually tune out Apple advertisements during their announcements
    (and I generally avoid watching advertisements in general anyway). I
    was indifferent to it when I watched it again, and I don't take anyone
    claiming to be offended by it very seriously. It's just an ad.

    Given all your statements about Apple come from Apple advertisements,

    LOL!

    Well, now that Arlen has entered the room, I suppose this conversation is
    over. So I guess It's now OK to broaden the discussion, and eventually
    drag it far off-topic.

    In an online article commenting on the recent Apple ad, it was hinted that videos of various objects being crushed by a hydraulic press has become
    some sort of social media meme, perhaps a logical successor to "Will It
    Blend." Perhaps I lead a sheltered life, but I have not viewed other such videos. That would make Apple's ad a humorous (?!) parody of an existing
    meme. I'll bet the committee that dreamed it up had a great laugh.

    I'm really overthinking this, but the more I overthink it, the concept of crushing traditional creativity tools to splinters and goo, before
    compressing them into an iPad, seems not the very best way to advertise
    the iPad's creativity tools.

    So Stephen Colbert's parody is a parody of a parody of a social media
    meme. My brain hurts!

    --
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    things simultaneously fail to go wrong. -- Dan Farkas, 3/3/2007

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  • From Jolly Roger@21:1/5 to Alan on Fri May 10 22:20:36 2024
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    On 2024-05-10, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
    On 2024-05-10 14:30, Andrew wrote:
    Jolly Roger wrote on 10 May 2024 18:33:42 GMT :

    I found the ad visually stunning on one level, but pretty creepy on
    another. Overall, not the best way to tout the iPad's artistic
    versatility.

    I usually tune out Apple advertisements during their announcements
    (and I generally avoid watching advertisements in general anyway). I
    was indifferent to it when I watched it again, and I don't take
    anyone claiming to be offended by it very seriously. It's just an
    ad.

    Given all your statements about Apple come from Apple advertisements,

    LOL!

    Arlen's a fucking clown. Imagine going through life spending literal
    hours every single day trolling newsgroups and forums of companies you
    hold an irrational hatred for, insulting people you don't even know just because they dare to use products from that company you have a raging
    little hate boner for. The unrelenting dedication Arlen has to pure
    hatred must be mentally exhausting and sadly "rewarding" in the absence
    of anything else constructive going on in his pitiful life. What a sad
    excuse of a human being he is. A real shame.

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  • From Jolly Roger@21:1/5 to Chris Schram on Fri May 10 22:29:17 2024
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    On 2024-05-10, Chris Schram <chrispam1@me.com> wrote:
    On Fri, 10 May 2024 14:33:50 -0700, Alan wrote:

    On 2024-05-10 14:30, Andrew wrote:
    Jolly Roger wrote on 10 May 2024 18:33:42 GMT :

    I found the ad visually stunning on one level, but pretty creepy on
    another. Overall, not the best way to tout the iPad's artistic
    versatility.

    I usually tune out Apple advertisements during their announcements
    (and I generally avoid watching advertisements in general anyway). I
    was indifferent to it when I watched it again, and I don't take anyone >>>> claiming to be offended by it very seriously. It's just an ad.

    Given all your statements about Apple come from Apple advertisements,

    LOL!

    Well, now that Arlen has entered the room, I suppose this conversation is over. So I guess It's now OK to broaden the discussion, and eventually
    drag it far off-topic.

    In an online article commenting on the recent Apple ad, it was hinted that videos of various objects being crushed by a hydraulic press has become
    some sort of social media meme, perhaps a logical successor to "Will It Blend." Perhaps I lead a sheltered life, but I have not viewed other such videos. That would make Apple's ad a humorous (?!) parody of an existing meme. I'll bet the committee that dreamed it up had a great laugh.

    I mean other companies have made similar commercials for many years.
    Strangely, the internet didn't melt down over them. But this is Apple,
    so...

    I'm really overthinking this, but the more I overthink it, the concept of crushing traditional creativity tools to splinters and goo, before compressing them into an iPad, seems not the very best way to advertise
    the iPad's creativity tools.

    It's a light-hearted advertisement, and nothing more. People reading too
    much into it is exactly how we got here in the first place.

    So Stephen Colbert's parody is a parody of a parody of a social media
    meme. My brain hurts!

    I think Social media is nothing without parodies.

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  • From Andrew@21:1/5 to Jolly Roger on Sat May 11 03:55:02 2024
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    Jolly Roger wrote on 10 May 2024 22:20:36 GMT :

    Imagine going through life...

    Imagine going through life defending everything Apple to the death.

    You'll lie about Apple when it suits your needs to protect Apple.
    You'll call everyone who tells a truth about Apple a troll, JR.
    You'll brazenly fabricate imaginary functionality for Apple, JR.

    You have no honor, no shame, no regard for the truth, Jolly Roger.
    Your only goal in life is to defend everything Apple to the death.

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  • From Jolly Roger@21:1/5 to Andrew on Sat May 11 04:35:37 2024
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    On 2024-05-11, Andrew <andrew@spam.net> wrote:
    Jolly Roger wrote on 10 May 2024 22:20:36 GMT :

    Imagine going through life...

    Imagine going through life defending everything Apple to the death.

    Imagine thinking adults won't notice this obvious troll tactic where
    little Arlen is *desperately* trying to deflect from the fact that he
    nym switches in order to troll and avoid filtering.

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  • From Jolly Roger@21:1/5 to Andrew on Sat May 11 04:36:58 2024
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    On 2024-05-11, Andrew <andrew@spam.net> wrote:
    Jolly Roger wrote on 10 May 2024 22:29:17 GMT :

    It's a light-hearted advertisement, and nothing more. People reading
    too much into it is exactly how we got here in the first place.

    Since you get all your information only from Apple advertisements

    Poor, little Arlen. He repeats himself endlessly because he has no
    original thoughts - just lies and hate.

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  • From Chris Schram@21:1/5 to Chris Schram on Sat May 11 09:52:09 2024
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    On Fri, 10 May 2024 22:22:22 -0000 (UTC), Chris Schram wrote:

    On Fri, 10 May 2024 14:33:50 -0700, Alan wrote:

    On 2024-05-10 14:30, Andrew wrote:
    Jolly Roger wrote on 10 May 2024 18:33:42 GMT :

    I found the ad visually stunning on one level, but pretty creepy on
    another. Overall, not the best way to tout the iPad's artistic
    versatility.

    I usually tune out Apple advertisements during their announcements
    (and I generally avoid watching advertisements in general anyway). I
    was indifferent to it when I watched it again, and I don't take
    anyone claiming to be offended by it very seriously. It's just an ad.

    Given all your statements about Apple come from Apple advertisements,

    LOL!

    Well, now that Arlen has entered the room, I suppose this conversation
    is over. So I guess It's now OK to broaden the discussion, and
    eventually drag it far off-topic.

    In an online article commenting on the recent Apple ad, it was hinted
    that videos of various objects being crushed by a hydraulic press has
    become some sort of social media meme, perhaps a logical successor to
    "Will It Blend." Perhaps I lead a sheltered life, but I have not viewed
    other such videos. That would make Apple's ad a humorous (?!) parody of
    an existing meme. I'll bet the committee that dreamed it up had a great laugh.

    I'm really overthinking this, but the more I overthink it, the concept
    of crushing traditional creativity tools to splinters and goo, before compressing them into an iPad, seems not the very best way to advertise
    the iPad's creativity tools.

    And one more thing. Then I'll slip away back into lurker-land: I have seen
    two separate comments about the ad that suggest it conveys its point
    better, and adds a needed touch of humor, when played backwards. I tried
    it.

    I left the soundtrack and ending text screen running normally, and
    reversed everything else. I also cut out about three seconds of closeup
    of the multicolored goo. It mostly works.

    The agency could do a better job of it than I did in a few minutes with
    iMovie, and make the ad suitable for TV. Or maybe it's too late for that
    now.

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    things simultaneously fail to go wrong. -- Dan Farkas, 3/3/2007

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  • From Andrew@21:1/5 to Jolly Roger on Sat May 11 16:54:39 2024
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    Jolly Roger wrote on 11 May 2024 04:35:37 GMT :

    trying to deflect from the fact

    What I do here is point out the facts to you religious zealots.
    https://screenrant.com/apple-product-security-update-lifespan/
    https://hothardware.com/news/apple-admits-only-fully-patches-security-flaws-in-latest-os-releases
    https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2022/10/apple-clarifies-security-update-policy-only-the-latest-oses-are-fully-patched/


    *The iPhone has the worst full OS support in history*

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  • From Andrew@21:1/5 to Jolly Roger on Sat May 11 16:57:22 2024
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    Jolly Roger wrote on 11 May 2024 04:36:58 GMT :

    He repeats himself endlessly because he has no
    original thoughts - just lies and hate.

    The facts are what I repeat because you refuse to believe them.
    https://screenrant.com/apple-product-security-update-lifespan/
    https://hothardware.com/news/apple-admits-only-fully-patches-security-flaws-in-latest-os-releases
    https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2022/10/apple-clarifies-security-update-policy-only-the-latest-oses-are-fully-patched/

    *The iPhone has the worst full OS support in history*

    What you religious herd animals hate, JR, are the facts.
    https://www.cisa.gov/known-exploited-vulnerabilities-catalog

    *The iPhone is the most exploited phone in history*

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  • From Andrew@21:1/5 to Chris on Sat May 11 16:52:53 2024
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    Chris wrote on Sat, 11 May 2024 10:31:20 -0000 (UTC) :

    Imagine going through life trying to do the opposite...

    What I do here is point out the facts to you religious zealots. https://www.cisa.gov/known-exploited-vulnerabilities-catalog

    *The iPhone is the most exploited phone in history*

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  • From Jolly Roger@21:1/5 to Andrew on Sat May 11 19:37:44 2024
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    On 2024-05-11, Andrew <andrew@spam.net> wrote:
    Jolly Roger wrote on 11 May 2024 04:35:37 GMT :

    trying to deflect from the fact

    What I do [more deflection]

    Deflection is literally Arlen's only response at this point. Pathetic
    troll.

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  • From Jolly Roger@21:1/5 to Andrew on Sat May 11 19:36:54 2024
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    On 2024-05-11, Andrew <andrew@spam.net> wrote:
    Chris wrote on Sat, 11 May 2024 10:31:20 -0000 (UTC) :

    Imagine going through life trying to do the opposite...

    What I do here is point out the facts to you religious zealots.

    What you do is troll because you hate Apple and anyone who dares to use
    Apple products.

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  • From Jolly Roger@21:1/5 to Andrew on Sat May 11 19:38:44 2024
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone

    On 2024-05-11, Andrew <andrew@spam.net> wrote:
    Jolly Roger wrote on 11 May 2024 04:36:58 GMT :

    He repeats himself endlessly because he has no
    original thoughts - just lies and hate.

    The facts are what I repeat

    You change nyms and repeat your juvenile trolls and insults because
    trolling is your entire pathetic life.

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  • From Andrew@21:1/5 to Jolly Roger on Sat May 11 20:09:24 2024
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone

    Jolly Roger wrote on 11 May 2024 19:38:44 GMT :

    repeat your juvenile trolls

    And yet, what you call a "juvenile troll" is simply a fact.

    *The iPhone has the worst OS support in history*

    https://screenrant.com/apple-product-security-update-lifespan/
    https://hothardware.com/news/apple-admits-only-fully-patches-security-flaws-in-latest-os-releases
    https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2022/10/apple-clarifies-security-update-policy-only-the-latest-oses-are-fully-patched/

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  • From Andrew@21:1/5 to Jolly Roger on Sat May 11 20:05:35 2024
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone

    Jolly Roger wrote on 11 May 2024 19:36:54 GMT :

    What I do here is point out the facts to you religious zealots.

    What you do is troll because you hate Apple and anyone who dares to use
    Apple products.

    And yet I likely own and use and buy more Apple products than you do.

    The difference is that I know what Apple does and I know what iOS is.
    You do not.


    Which is why you _hate_ it when I speak facts about Apple. https://www.cisa.gov/known-exploited-vulnerabilities-catalog

    *The iPhone is the most exploited phone in history*

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  • From Jolly Roger@21:1/5 to Andrew on Sat May 11 21:20:23 2024
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone

    On 2024-05-11, Andrew <andrew@spam.net> wrote:
    Jolly Roger wrote on 11 May 2024 19:38:44 GMT :

    repeat your juvenile trolls

    And yet, what you call a "juvenile troll" is

    Your schoolyard insults.

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  • From Andrew@21:1/5 to badgolferman on Sat May 11 21:59:40 2024
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone, comp.sys.mac.advocacy

    badgolferman wrote on Sat, 11 May 2024 20:28:51 -0000 (UTC) :

    https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2022/10/apple-clarifies-security-update-policy-only-the-latest-oses-are-fully-patched/

    Earlier this week, Apple released a document clarifying its terminology
    and policies around software upgrades and updates. Most of the
    information in the document isn't new, but the company did provide one clarification about its update policy that it hadn't made explicit
    before: Despite providing security updates for multiple versions of
    macOS and iOS at any given time, Apple says that only devices running
    the most recent major operating system versions should expect to be
    fully protected.

    In other words, while Apple will provide security-related updates for
    older versions of its operating systems, only the most recent upgrades
    will receive updates for every security problem Apple knows about.

    ------

    -- Does Android provide ALL security updates for every major version of software release?

    -- Is there a reason not to upgrade to the newest major version of iOS
    within a few weeks of release?

    -- How old must an iPhone be before it can support the newest iOS major version release?

    First off, badgolferman, you're not a religious zealot, so I will be
    speaking to you as one adult to another - which I don't do with iKooks.

    My approach below will assume you have at least a normal IQ, as do I.
    And my approach will assume that you will click on the links provided.

    Notice I don't talk to the iKooks that way.
    Because iKooks don't have a normal IQ.

    You do.

    With the Apple religious zealot nutcases, you have to distil the message
    down to the lowest common denominator - and even then - they don't get it.

    Second off, this information is not new. It has been discussed on this newsgroup many times. The nutcases will NEVER understand Apple support.

    I hope you can.

    In addition, you have to understand my goals before I answer further.
    1. I learn & disseminate the truth about Apple products. Period.
    2. I show the Apple religious zealot nutcases for what they truly are.

    You'll notice that the link shows a few things which are related to that:
    1. I KNOW that Apple only fully supports a single release.
    2. And I know that the religious zealots do NOT know that fact.
    3. In fact, Jolly Roger has lied for YEARS about Apple support.

    He thinks because Apple volunteers to fix one bug in an old release every
    once in a while, just as every operating system vendor does from time to
    time, that this one bug being fixed once in a while means the other hundred
    or two hundred (or whatever) known bugs simply don't exist after that.

    Who thinks that way but a child?

    It's no longer shocking that the Apple nutcases think that childish way.
    But they do.

    The fact is that every other common consumer operating system fully
    supports more than one major release at a time. Apple does not.

    Full support means what it means.
    It means EVERY known security hole is fixed.

    The fact is if you purchase a Pixel or a Galaxy, you have that full hotfix support for as many releases that are released in the long support period.

    For Android, the number of major releases vary in that time frame, as it
    could be as many as one per year (so that could be as much as five to seven major releases), but it could be as few as two or three major releases -
    but it's ALWAYS more than one release. It's typically three or four. https://www.howtogeek.com/797200/how-long-will-my-android-phone-be-supported-with-updates/

    By way of stark contrast, iOS is only one. Not two. Not three. Not four.
    One.

    Which is proof that Apple has the worst hotfix support in the industry.
    The iKooks don't understand that because they only watch Apple ads.

    It's no longer shocking how little the iKooks know about iOS, badgolferman. They don't even know how Apple updates/upgrades their iPhones.

    Who is that stupid and yet obstinately defends Apple to the death?
    Nobody who is an adult, right?

    That's what is so strange about these ignorant uneducated iKooks.
    They know nothing. And yet, they argue everything.

    And they call all facts about Apple they don't like - trolls.
    Which is a LOT of facts about Apple, is it not!

    I see your other questions but they're unrelated so if you want me to
    answer them, just ask them again as the IMPORTANT answer you need is that.

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  • From Jolly Roger@21:1/5 to Andrew on Sat May 11 21:19:45 2024
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone

    On 2024-05-11, Andrew <andrew@spam.net> wrote:
    Jolly Roger wrote on 11 May 2024 19:36:54 GMT :

    What I do here is point out the facts to you religious zealots.

    What you do is troll because you hate Apple and anyone who dares to use
    Apple products.

    And yet I likely own and use and buy more Apple products than you do.

    In your dreams, and irrelevant since you have readily admitted you only
    buy them to find ways to troll about them. All you do is troll. Its your
    entire pathetic life.

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  • From Andrew@21:1/5 to Jolly Roger on Sat May 11 22:09:31 2024
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone, comp.sys.mac.advocacy

    Jolly Roger wrote on 11 May 2024 21:19:45 GMT :

    All you do is troll. Its your entire pathetic life.

    I feel sorry for people like you, Jolly Roger, because your entire life
    you've been told that you're stupid (which is why you don't have any
    education and partly it's why you're so ignorant about Apple products).

    The fact is that Apple is the only common consumer operating system creator
    who fully supports only a single release. Nobody else does that.

    *Just Apple*

    The fact is that the iPhone has by far more exploits than Android.

    *Ten times more*

    Those are just facts, Jolly Roger.

    Yet your IQ is so low that you can't comprehend that those are facts.

    *You call facts trolls*

    I understand you better than you understand yourself, Jolly Roger.
    Which is why I feel sorry for you - as God didn't endow you with brains.

    Since you hate these facts, you call all facts about Apple you don't like,
    to be trolls - which tells all of us more about you than you want us to
    know.

    You _hate_ Apple, Jolly Roger.
    Secretly so.

    You _hate_ that it's so easy to prove Apple lied to you Jolly Roger.
    You _hate_ every fact I say about Apple makes you hate Apple even more.

    As I said, I understand you better than you understand yourself.

    You're a herd animal, Jolly Roger.
    You bought into the herd mentality.

    You love the advertisements.
    But you hate the facts.

    That's why you call every fact about Apple you hate, a troll.
    And that... is a lot of facts that you call trolls.

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  • From Jolly Roger@21:1/5 to Andrew on Sat May 11 22:39:21 2024
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone, comp.sys.mac.advocacy

    On 2024-05-11, Andrew <andrew@spam.net> wrote:
    Jolly Roger wrote on 11 May 2024 21:19:45 GMT :

    All you do is troll. Its your entire pathetic life.

    I feel sorry for people like you, Jolly Roger, because your entire
    life you've been told that you're stupid (which is why you don't have
    any education and partly it's why you're so ignorant about Apple
    products).

    Such schoolyard insults are all little Arlen has.

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  • From Hank Rogers@21:1/5 to Jolly Roger on Sat May 11 18:07:16 2024
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone

    Jolly Roger wrote:
    On 2024-05-11, Andrew <andrew@spam.net> wrote:
    Jolly Roger wrote on 11 May 2024 19:38:44 GMT :

    repeat your juvenile trolls

    And yet, what you call a "juvenile troll" is

    Your schoolyard insults.


    Sadly, he does not realize that Steve Jobs died to save us from our sins.

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  • From Hank Rogers@21:1/5 to Chris on Sat May 11 19:11:46 2024
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone

    Chris wrote:
    Andrew <andrew@spam.net> wrote:
    Chris wrote on Sat, 11 May 2024 10:31:20 -0000 (UTC) :

    Imagine going through life trying to do the opposite...

    What I do here is point out the facts

    The only thing you do is try to support your own internal bias.


    Exactly, he hates apple and his whole life centers around trying to destroy
    a vendor of chinese telephones. Pretty sad.

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  • From Hank Rogers@21:1/5 to Chris on Sat May 11 19:09:38 2024
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone

    Chris wrote:
    Andrew <andrew@spam.net> wrote:
    Jolly Roger wrote on 11 May 2024 19:36:54 GMT :

    What I do here is point out the facts to you religious zealots.

    What you do is troll because you hate Apple and anyone who dares to use
    Apple products.

    And yet I likely own and use and buy more Apple products than you do.

    The difference is that I know what Apple does and I know what iOS is.

    You do not. You didn't know that ios has built capability to easily create your own geofence functionality. How's it going with helping your elderly relative?



    You forgot to mention that he is arlen.

    Shame on you.

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  • From Jolly Roger@21:1/5 to Hank Rogers on Sun May 12 00:13:11 2024
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone

    On 2024-05-12, Hank Rogers <Hank@nospam.invalid> wrote:
    Chris wrote:
    Andrew <andrew@spam.net> wrote:
    Jolly Roger wrote on 11 May 2024 19:36:54 GMT :

    What I do here is point out the facts to you religious zealots.

    What you do is troll because you hate Apple and anyone who dares to use >>>> Apple products.

    And yet I likely own and use and buy more Apple products than you do.

    The difference is that I know what Apple does and I know what iOS is.

    You do not. You didn't know that ios has built capability to easily create >> your own geofence functionality. How's it going with helping your elderly
    relative?

    You forgot to mention that he is arlen.

    Everyone already knows that.

    Shame on you.

    Nah.

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  • From Jolly Roger@21:1/5 to Chris on Sun May 12 19:04:24 2024
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone

    On 2024-05-12, Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> wrote:
    badgolferman <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> wrote:
    Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> wrote:
    badgolferman <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> wrote:

    -- Does Android provide ALL security updates for every major
    version of software release?

    No. That would be a huge amount of effort as there have been 14
    major versions. Probably the most 2-3 recent are supported.

    -- Is there a reason not to upgrade to the newest major version of
    iOS within a few weeks of release?

    Nope.

    -- How old must an iPhone be before it can support the newest iOS
    major version release?

    Not sure what you mean here, but iOS 15, 16 and 17 have received
    several updates this year. IOS 15 supports back to the iphone 6
    which is nearly nine years old.

    According to the articles Arlen provided, Apple admits to only fully
    supporting the current software version (17) with security updates.

    Did you read the link Andrew/Arlen/whatever shared? Did you draw the
    same conclusion as him?

    What he says and what he can show/prove are often very different
    things.

    How are you claiming 15,16, 17 are supported?

    Look here: https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT201222

    You can see that two or three have been updated at the same three
    times this year alone: 22nd Jan, 5th Mar, 22nd Mar. Since the release
    of iOS 17, iOS 16 has received eight updates and iOS 15 has received
    three.

    That's clear evidence to show that Apple are still maintaining (aka supporting) the current and previous two versions of iOS.

    Yes, but we're supposed to ignore reality: 67% of devices run iOS 17,
    19% run iOS 16, 8% run iOS 15 = 94% of devices are running the three
    most recent versions of iOS. As you have shown, Apple is patching iOS 17 through iOS 15. And just like every operating system vendor, Apple
    patches known bugs in the most recent releases of its operating systems
    first and in older versions later. Naturally this means that if you are
    running an older version of an operating system, some bugs may not
    be patched as quickly (or at all if it's a really old version). Again,
    this isn't exclusive to Apple's operating systems. It's fairly standard practice in the industry. But badgolferman and his best bud, Arlen,
    definitely want to paint it as an Apple-exclusive thing.

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  • From Andrew@21:1/5 to Jolly Roger on Sun May 12 20:16:13 2024
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone, comp.sys.mac.system

    Jolly Roger wrote on 12 May 2024 19:04:24 GMT :

    That's clear evidence to show that Apple are still maintaining (aka
    supporting) the current and previous two versions of iOS.

    Yes, but we're supposed to ignore reality: 67% of devices run iOS 17,
    19% run iOS 16, 8% run iOS 15 = 94% of devices are running the three
    most recent versions of iOS. As you have shown, Apple is patching iOS 17 through iOS 15. And just like every operating system vendor, Apple
    patches known bugs in the most recent releases of its operating systems
    first and in older versions later. Naturally this means that if you are running an older version of an operating system, some bugs may not
    be patched as quickly (or at all if it's a really old version). Again,
    this isn't exclusive to Apple's operating systems. It's fairly standard practice in the industry. But badgolferman and his best bud, Arlen, definitely want to paint it as an Apple-exclusive thing.

    For badgolferman, I don't even care about iOS and yet I know far
    more about iOS than all of those ignorant iKooks do, combined.

    That's sad how stupid they are. Seriously sad. Dangerously sad.
    Like how can they even function always being that incredibly wrong?

    Sigh. It's no longer shocking how ignorant these religious zealots are.

    For badgolferman, you are the only one who read the articles.
    Chris & Jolly Roger did not.
    <https://screenrant.com/apple-product-security-update-lifespan/>
    <https://hothardware.com/news/apple-admits-only-fully-patches-security-flaws-in-latest-os-releases>
    <https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2022/10/apple-clarifies-security-update-policy-only-the-latest-oses-are-fully-patched/>
    If Chris & Jolly Roger did click on them, they didn't understand them.

    Even Apple refutes every word that they say.
    <https://support.apple.com/guide/deployment/about-software-updates-depc4c80847a/>

    The fact is these uneducated ignorant religious zealots have lied
    for years about Apple support. Even Apple has never said they fully
    support more than one release.

    Like every other operating system, even Android has patched Android
    4.4 just last year, but that doesn't mean every known bug is fixed.

    Only the religious ignorant uneducated religious zealots would
    claim that a patch or two means every single known bug is fixed.

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  • From Andrew@21:1/5 to Chris on Sun May 12 20:22:03 2024
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone

    Chris wrote on Sun, 12 May 2024 12:54:17 -0000 (UTC) :

    badgolferman <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> wrote:

    -- Does Android provide ALL security updates for every major version of
    software release?

    No. That would be a huge amount of effort as there have been 14 major versions. Probably the most 2-3 recent are supported.

    -- Is there a reason not to upgrade to the newest major version of iOS
    within a few weeks of release?

    Nope.

    -- How old must an iPhone be before it can support the newest iOS major
    version release?

    Not sure what you mean here, but iOS 15, 16 and 17 have received several updates this year. IOS 15 supports back to the iphone 6 which is nearly
    nine years old.

    For badgolferman, Chris is just wrong.
    <https://www.cnet.com/tech/mobile/samsung-extends-android-and-security-updates-to-7-years/>

    "*Samsung phones now come backed with _seven_ years' worth of*
    *security updates and _seven_ generations of OS upgrades*."

    These ignorant uneducated Apple religious zealots not only guess about
    every single thing that they believe, but they guess wrong every time.

    I seriously don't know how they function in a complex society being wrong
    about everything - and yet - they're firmly confident in being to the left
    of Mount Stupid on the Dunning Kruger characterization graphs. https://s3.ap-southeast-2.amazonaws.com/assets.the-resilience-shield/app/uploads/2021/05/11143616/Mt-Stupid-1.png

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  • From Alan@21:1/5 to Andrew on Sun May 12 14:50:35 2024
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone

    On 2024-05-12 13:22, Andrew wrote:
    Chris wrote on Sun, 12 May 2024 12:54:17 -0000 (UTC) :

    badgolferman <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> wrote:

    -- Does Android provide ALL security updates for every major version of
    software release?

    No. That would be a huge amount of effort as there have been 14 major
    versions. Probably the most 2-3 recent are supported.

    -- Is there a reason not to upgrade to the newest major version of iOS
    within a few weeks of release?

    Nope.

    -- How old must an iPhone be before it can support the newest iOS major
    version release?

    Not sure what you mean here, but iOS 15, 16 and 17 have received several
    updates this year. IOS 15 supports back to the iphone 6 which is nearly
    nine years old.

    For badgolferman, Chris is just wrong.
    <https://www.cnet.com/tech/mobile/samsung-extends-android-and-security-updates-to-7-years/>

    "*Samsung phones now come backed with _seven_ years' worth of*
    *security updates and _seven_ generations of OS upgrades*."

    That's a promise for the newest Samsung Galaxy phones only:

    'Seven years of security and OS upgrades is a big jump up from the five
    years of security and four years of OS updates in last year's Galaxy S23 models'

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  • From Alan@21:1/5 to badgolferman on Sun May 12 14:48:59 2024
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone

    On 2024-05-12 06:50, badgolferman wrote:
    Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> wrote:
    badgolferman <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> wrote:

    -- Does Android provide ALL security updates for every major version of
    software release?

    No. That would be a huge amount of effort as there have been 14 major
    versions. Probably the most 2-3 recent are supported.

    -- Is there a reason not to upgrade to the newest major version of iOS
    within a few weeks of release?

    Nope.

    -- How old must an iPhone be before it can support the newest iOS major
    version release?

    Not sure what you mean here, but iOS 15, 16 and 17 have received several
    updates this year. IOS 15 supports back to the iphone 6 which is nearly
    nine years old.



    According to the articles Arlen provided, Apple admits to only fully supporting the current software version (17) with security updates. How are you claiming 15,16, 17 are supported?


    But how old does an iPhone or iPad have to be before it can no longer
    get the latest OS?

    iOS 17 supports iPhones as far back as the iPhone XR released in October
    2018, and the iPad is no different.

    Assuming iOS 18 is released on the usual schedule, Apple devices fully 6
    years old will finally stop being supported.

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  • From Jolly Roger@21:1/5 to Alan on Sun May 12 23:07:11 2024
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone

    On 2024-05-12, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
    On 2024-05-12 13:22, Andrew wrote:
    Chris wrote on Sun, 12 May 2024 12:54:17 -0000 (UTC) :
    badgolferman <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> wrote:

    -- Does Android provide ALL security updates for every major
    version of software release?

    No. That would be a huge amount of effort as there have been 14
    major versions. Probably the most 2-3 recent are supported.

    -- Is there a reason not to upgrade to the newest major version of
    iOS within a few weeks of release?

    Nope.

    -- How old must an iPhone be before it can support the newest iOS
    major version release?

    Not sure what you mean here, but iOS 15, 16 and 17 have received
    several updates this year. IOS 15 supports back to the iphone 6
    which is nearly nine years old.

    For badgolferman, Chris is just wrong.
    <https://www.cnet.com/tech/mobile/samsung-extends-android-and-security-updates-to-7-years/>

    "*Samsung phones now come backed with _seven_ years' worth of*
    *security updates and _seven_ generations of OS upgrades*."

    That's a promise for the newest Samsung Galaxy phones only:

    'Seven years of security and OS upgrades is a big jump up from the
    five years of security and four years of OS updates in last year's
    Galaxy S23 models'

    Yep. Arlen and badgolferman desperately want to distract from the fact
    that Apple has been providing support far longer than their competitors,
    and it's why Arlen has been harping on his little "Apple doesn't patch
    all older versions forever" line despite the fact that the practice is
    standard in the industry. They are desperate trolls.

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  • From Jolly Roger@21:1/5 to Andrew on Sun May 12 23:00:49 2024
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone, comp.sys.mac.system

    On 2024-05-12, Andrew <andrew@spam.net> wrote:
    Jolly Roger wrote on 12 May 2024 19:04:24 GMT :

    That's clear evidence to show that Apple are still maintaining (aka
    supporting) the current and previous two versions of iOS.

    Yes, but we're supposed to ignore reality: 67% of devices run iOS 17,
    19% run iOS 16, 8% run iOS 15 = 94% of devices are running the three
    most recent versions of iOS. As you have shown, Apple is patching iOS
    17 through iOS 15. And just like every operating system vendor, Apple
    patches known bugs in the most recent releases of its operating
    systems first and in older versions later. Naturally this means that
    if you are running an older version of an operating system, some bugs
    may not be patched as quickly (or at all if it's a really old
    version). Again, this isn't exclusive to Apple's operating systems.
    It's fairly standard practice in the industry. But badgolferman and
    his best bud, Arlen, definitely want to paint it as an
    Apple-exclusive thing.

    I don't even care about iOS

    LOL... Clown boy Arlen, who trolls the iOS newsgroup relentlessly, wants everyone to know he AKTUALLY doesn't care about iOS. 🤡

    ignorant iKooks
    how stupid they are
    Seriously sad.
    Dangerously sad.
    how ignorant these religious zealots are.
    uneducated ignorant religious zealots
    religious ignorant uneducated religious zealots

    Struck a nerve, Arlen? Not only do you very clearly care enough to troll
    here 24/7 non-stop, but you can't help but show the world just how much
    you care by slinging schoolyard insults at anyone who dares to use Apple products or call you out on your bullshit. You're a pathetic shit stain
    of a human being. Just sad.

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  • From Andrew@21:1/5 to Jolly Roger on Mon May 13 18:28:07 2024
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone

    Jolly Roger wrote on 12 May 2024 23:07:11 GMT :

    They are desperate trolls.

    Windows has been providing full hotfix support for Windows 10 for far
    longer than any other operating system vendor, Jolly Roger.

    And Samsung and Google both fully support Android for 7 years now.

    Meanwhile, Apple publicly stated last year that they were forced to admit
    they lied about support for a decade, where Apple publicly admitted Apple
    only fully supports a single release (which is currently iOS 17 alone).

    When iOS 18 comes out, any phone that can't run iOS 18 is not supported.

    Don't you ever wonder why iOS is the most exploited phone OS in history?
    <https://www.cisa.gov/known-exploited-vulnerabilities-catalog>

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  • From Andrew@21:1/5 to Chris on Mon May 13 18:28:11 2024
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone

    Chris wrote on Mon, 13 May 2024 06:43:02 -0000 (UTC) :

    That doesn't contradict what I wrote. This is a recently announced change
    and is the policy only of Samsung (and google) not Android. What will other manufacturers do?

    It was five years prior, where I got my set of free Samsung Galaxy A32-5G phones way back in 2020 and they're all still fully updated and have had
    four major Android upgrades and monthly hotfix security updates all along.

    Given you claimed a PhD, Chris, don't you ever wonder why iOS is the most exploited smartphone operating system in the history of smartphones?
    <https://www.cisa.gov/known-exploited-vulnerabilities-catalog>

    Do you think it has anything to do with Apple having the worst support?

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  • From Jolly Roger@21:1/5 to Andrew on Mon May 13 20:59:11 2024
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone, comp.sys.mac.system

    On 2024-05-13, Andrew <andrew@spam.net> wrote:
    Jolly Roger wrote on 12 May 2024 23:00:49 GMT :
    On 2024-05-12, Andrew <andrew@spam.net> wrote:

    I don't even care about iOS

    LOL... Clown boy Arlen, who trolls the iOS newsgroup relentlessly,
    wants everyone to know he AKTUALLY doesn't care about iOS. 🤡

    ignorant iKooks
    how stupid they are
    Seriously sad.
    Dangerously sad.
    how ignorant these religious zealots are.
    uneducated ignorant religious zealots
    religious ignorant uneducated religious zealots

    Struck a nerve, Arlen? Not only do you very clearly care enough to
    troll here 24/7 non-stop, but you can't help but show the world just
    how much you care by slinging schoolyard insults at anyone who dares
    to use Apple products or call you out on your bullshit. You're a
    pathetic shit stain of a human being. Just sad.

    You're a pathetic shit stain of a human being. Just sad.

    Interesting how the Apple religious zealots respond to facts

    Interesting how little Arlen thinks by trimming context (restored above)
    he can fool anyone reading into believing his little lie that I'm
    responding to "facts" rather than his schoolyard insults. Arlen clearly
    thinks the rest of you are just as clueless and easily manipulated as he
    is. 😉

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  • From Jolly Roger@21:1/5 to Andrew on Mon May 13 21:00:46 2024
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone

    On 2024-05-13, Andrew <andrew@spam.net> wrote:
    Chris wrote on Mon, 13 May 2024 06:43:02 -0000 (UTC) :

    That doesn't contradict what I wrote. This is a recently announced
    change and is the policy only of Samsung (and google) not Android.
    What will other manufacturers do?

    It was five years prior

    It was five years or less prior.

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  • From Andrew@21:1/5 to Jolly Roger on Tue May 14 00:08:16 2024
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone, comp.sys.mac.advocacy

    Jolly Roger wrote on 13 May 2024 21:00:10 GMT :

    Now do Android, since this is a smartphone newsgroup.

    Samsung and Google both have 7 years of full support, Jolly Roger.
    *Samsung Extends Android and Security Updates to 7 Years*
    <https://www.cnet.com/tech/mobile/samsung-extends-android-and-security-updates-to-7-years/>
    "Samsung phones now come backed with seven years' worth of
    security updates and seven generations of OS upgrades."

    *Google just put Apple and Samsung on notice - 7 years of software updates*
    <https://www.tomsguide.com/opinion/google-pixel-8-software-updates>
    "That support covers everything, including full Android updates,
    the regular Pixel feature drops and security updates."

    Don't you ever wonder why iOS is the most exploited phone OS in history?
    <https://www.cisa.gov/known-exploited-vulnerabilities-catalog>

    Do you think it might be because Apple only fully supports one release?

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  • From Jolly Roger@21:1/5 to Andrew on Tue May 14 03:04:42 2024
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone, comp.sys.mac.system

    On 2024-05-14, Andrew <andrew@spam.net> wrote:
    Jolly Roger wrote on 13 May 2024 20:59:11 GMT :

    He thinks the rest of you are just as clueless and easily manipulated

    You called me a troll

    Because you are one.

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  • From Jolly Roger@21:1/5 to Andrew on Tue May 14 03:13:41 2024
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone, comp.sys.mac.advocacy

    On 2024-05-14, Andrew <andrew@spam.net> wrote:
    Jolly Roger wrote on 13 May 2024 21:00:10 GMT :
    On 2024-05-13, Andrew <andrew@spam.net> wrote:
    Jolly Roger wrote on 12 May 2024 23:07:11 GMT :

    They are desperate trolls.

    Windows has been providing full hotfix support for Windows 10

    Now do Android, since this is a smartphone newsgroup.

    Samsung and Google both have 7 years of full support, Jolly Roger.

    Not since 2007, they haven't. Apple has supported their devices longer
    than most for about a couple decades. Your trolls are desperate and
    weak, Arlen.

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  • From Alan@21:1/5 to Andrew on Tue May 14 09:04:39 2024
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone, comp.sys.mac.advocacy

    On 2024-05-13 17:08, Andrew wrote:
    Jolly Roger wrote on 13 May 2024 21:00:10 GMT :

    Now do Android, since this is a smartphone newsgroup.

    Samsung and Google both have 7 years of full support, Jolly Roger.
    *Samsung Extends Android and Security Updates to 7 Years*
    <https://www.cnet.com/tech/mobile/samsung-extends-android-and-security-updates-to-7-years/>
    "Samsung phones now come backed with seven years' worth of
    security updates and seven generations of OS upgrades."

    Seven years of security and OS upgrades is a big jump up from the five
    years of security and four years of OS updates in last year's Galaxy S23 models.

    *Google just put Apple and Samsung on notice - 7 years of software updates*
    <https://www.tomsguide.com/opinion/google-pixel-8-software-updates>
    "That support covers everything, including full Android updates,
    the regular Pixel feature drops and security updates."

    Don't you ever wonder why iOS is the most exploited phone OS in history?
    <https://www.cisa.gov/known-exploited-vulnerabilities-catalog>

    Do you think it might be because Apple only fully supports one release?

    But the fully support putting the latest release on older iPhones for
    nearly as long as that...

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  • From Andrew@21:1/5 to Jolly Roger on Tue May 14 18:34:24 2024
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone, comp.sys.mac.advocacy

    Jolly Roger wrote on 14 May 2024 03:13:41 GMT :

    Samsung and Google both have 7 years of full support, Jolly Roger.

    Not since 2007, they haven't. Apple has supported their devices longer
    than most for about a couple decades.

    You ignore facts, Jolly Roger, when you lie to defend Apple to the death.
    *The fact is Apple fully supports only one major release*.
    _That's just a fact_.

    You deny that fact, but even Apple states that fact.
    You lie.

    I write the facts and I gave you & everyone the cites for those facts.

    *About software updates for Apple devices*
    <https://support.apple.com/guide/deployment/about-software-updates-depc4c80847a/>
    "not all known security issues are addressed in previous versions
    (for example, macOS 13, iOS 16, and so on)"
    <https://screenrant.com/apple-product-security-update-lifespan/>
    <https://hothardware.com/news/apple-admits-only-fully-patches-security-flaws-in-latest-os-releases>
    <https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2022/10/apple-clarifies-security-update-policy-only-the-latest-oses-are-fully-patched/>

    Your trolls are desperate and weak,

    Facts. Not trolls. Facts.

    For a dozen years you've been calling all facts you hate about
    Apple to be trolls, which is a 'hellovalot of facts you call trolls.

    Like the fact the iPhone has ten times the exploits than Android.
    <https://www.cisa.gov/known-exploited-vulnerabilities-catalog>

    The fact you call all facts you hate about Apple to be trolls
    doesn't change the fact that they're facts about Apple, JR.

    You just hate them.
    And, by way of extension, you hate Apple.

    You hate that it's so easy to prove you wrong about Apple, JR.

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  • From Andrew@21:1/5 to Chris on Tue May 14 18:34:28 2024
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone

    Chris wrote on Tue, 14 May 2024 06:39:32 -0000 (UTC) :

    Rather than use pointless anecdotes, including my iphone XR from 2019 which has had 5 full upgrades and is still fully supported, let's look at the
    facts shall we?
    https://endoflife.date/iphone
    Oldest models still supported: 6s/6s Plus
    Released: Sep 2015
    No. major updates: 6


    Chris,
    You're supposed to have a PhD for God's sake (according to you anyway).
    That means you're supposed to understand the difference between the current release and all other releases.

    C'mon. It's not that hard, Chris. *The current release for iOS is iOS 17*.

    FACT:
    *Apple only fully supports one and only one major release*

    REFERENCES:
    <https://screenrant.com/apple-product-security-update-lifespan/>
    <https://support.apple.com/guide/deployment/about-software-updates-depc4c80847a/>
    <https://hothardware.com/news/apple-admits-only-fully-patches-security-flaws-in-latest-os-releases>
    <https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2022/10/apple-clarifies-security-update-policy-only-the-latest-oses-are-fully-patched/>

    Any other release other than iOS 17 no longer has full support by Apple.
    That means Apple knows of bugs that it won't fix on those older releases.

    These are the only iPhones that have full support from Apple, Chris. https://support.apple.com/guide/iphone/iphone-models-compatible-with-ios-17-iphe3fa5df43/ios

    Do you see the iPhone 6s/6s Plus on that list?

    Hint: No

    It's no longer shocking how ignorant you uneducated Apple religious zealots
    are about Apple products, even something as simple as full hotfix support.

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  • From Andrew@21:1/5 to Jolly Roger on Tue May 14 18:35:48 2024
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone, comp.sys.mac.system

    Jolly Roger wrote:

    Because you are one.

    And yet, you can't refute the facts, even as you lie about them.

    FACT:
    *Apple only fully supports one and only one major release*

    Every other major vendor fully supports multiple major OS releases.

    REFERENCES:
    <https://screenrant.com/apple-product-security-update-lifespan/>
    <https://support.apple.com/guide/deployment/about-software-updates-depc4c80847a/>
    <https://hothardware.com/news/apple-admits-only-fully-patches-security-flaws-in-latest-os-releases>
    <https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2022/10/apple-clarifies-security-update-policy-only-the-latest-oses-are-fully-patched/>

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  • From Jolly Roger@21:1/5 to Andrew on Tue May 14 19:41:48 2024
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone, comp.sys.mac.system

    On 2024-05-14, Andrew <andrew@spam.net> wrote:
    Jolly Roger wrote:

    Because you are one.

    And yet, [more trolling ignored]

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  • From Andrew@21:1/5 to Jolly Roger on Tue May 14 22:45:36 2024
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone, comp.sys.mac.system

    Jolly Roger wrote on 14 May 2024 19:41:24 GMT :

    Straight to ad hominem, as usual.

    FACT:
    *Apple only fully supports one and only one major release*

    REFERENCES:
    <https://screenrant.com/apple-product-security-update-lifespan/>
    <https://support.apple.com/guide/deployment/about-software-updates-depc4c80847a/>
    <https://hothardware.com/news/apple-admits-only-fully-patches-security-flaws-in-latest-os-releases>
    <https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2022/10/apple-clarifies-security-update-policy-only-the-latest-oses-are-fully-patched/>

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  • From Andrew@21:1/5 to Jolly Roger on Tue May 14 22:44:48 2024
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone, comp.sys.mac.system

    Jolly Roger wrote on 14 May 2024 19:41:48 GMT :

    And yet, [more trolling ignored]

    You call every fact you are ignorant of about Apple, a troll.

    No matter how much you ignorant uneducated religious zealots
    lie about how Apple releases its software, I know more than you.

    FACT:
    *Apple only fully supports one and only one major release*

    REFERENCES:
    <https://screenrant.com/apple-product-security-update-lifespan/>
    <https://support.apple.com/guide/deployment/about-software-updates-depc4c80847a/>
    <https://hothardware.com/news/apple-admits-only-fully-patches-security-flaws-in-latest-os-releases>
    <https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2022/10/apple-clarifies-security-update-policy-only-the-latest-oses-are-fully-patched/>

    It's no longer shocking you religious zealots don't even know
    how Apple supports its releases (nor how Android does it better).

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  • From Jolly Roger@21:1/5 to Andrew on Tue May 14 23:26:23 2024
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone, comp.sys.mac.system

    On 2024-05-14, Andrew <andrew@spam.net> wrote:
    Jolly Roger wrote on 14 May 2024 19:41:24 GMT :

    Straight to ad hominem, as usual.

    [more trolling ignored]

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  • From Jolly Roger@21:1/5 to Andrew on Tue May 14 23:25:59 2024
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone, comp.sys.mac.system

    On 2024-05-14, Andrew <andrew@spam.net> wrote:
    Jolly Roger wrote on 14 May 2024 19:41:48 GMT :

    And yet, [more trolling ignored]

    [more trolling ignored]

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  • From Andrew@21:1/5 to Jolly Roger on Wed May 15 00:43:32 2024
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone, comp.sys.mac.apps

    Jolly Roger wrote on 14 May 2024 23:25:59 GMT :

    [more trolling ignored]

    Facts.

    The iPhone is exploited over ten times more than Android is.
    <https://www.cisa.gov/known-exploited-vulnerabilities-catalog>

    Apple only fully supports one release and one release only.
    <https://screenrant.com/apple-product-security-update-lifespan/>
    <https://support.apple.com/guide/deployment/about-software-updates-depc4c80847a/>
    <https://hothardware.com/news/apple-admits-only-fully-patches-security-flaws-in-latest-os-releases>
    <https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2022/10/apple-clarifies-security-update-policy-only-the-latest-oses-are-fully-patched/>

    Samsung and Google support 7 years of operating system updates
    and 7 years of security updates to the operating system, Jolly Roger.
    *Samsung Extends Android and Security Updates to 7 Years*
    <https://www.cnet.com/tech/mobile/samsung-extends-android-and-security-updates-to-7-years/>
    "Samsung phones now come backed with seven years' worth of
    security updates and seven generations of OS upgrades."

    *Google just put Apple and Samsung on notice - 7 years of software updates*
    <https://www.tomsguide.com/opinion/google-pixel-8-software-updates>
    "That support covers everything, including full Android updates,
    the regular Pixel feature drops and security updates."

    In addition, for billions of Android devices, Google has been updating
    _all_ of those over version 4.4 for years! Monthly.

    Yup. Monthly.
    <https://www.androidheadlines.com/2022/01/google-monthly-changelog-play-system-updates.html>
    "Google System updates, meanwhile, are fully automated. Originally
    referred to as Project Mainline, these updates fix bugs discovered
    in various OS components like device connectivity, location services,
    media services, Emergency alerts, and others."

    It's so seamless, most Android users don't even know it.

    Don't you think there's a reason iPhones are the most exploited
    phones in history and not Android, Jolly Roger?

    Does it ever occur to you that Pegasus has never attacked the
    Android kernel and yet it constantly attacks Apple's kernel?

    There's a reason I say "to own an iPhone is to already be exploited".

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  • From Andrew@21:1/5 to Jolly Roger on Wed May 15 00:37:50 2024
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone, comp.sys.mac.system

    Jolly Roger wrote on 14 May 2024 23:26:23 GMT :

    [more trolling ignored]

    You do not know how iOS updates.
    And you do not know how Android updates.

    Facts.

    Apple only fully supports one release and one release only.
    <https://screenrant.com/apple-product-security-update-lifespan/>
    <https://support.apple.com/guide/deployment/about-software-updates-depc4c80847a/>
    <https://hothardware.com/news/apple-admits-only-fully-patches-security-flaws-in-latest-os-releases>
    <https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2022/10/apple-clarifies-security-update-policy-only-the-latest-oses-are-fully-patched/>

    Not only do Samsung and Google support 7 years of operating system updates
    and 7 years of security updates to the operating system, Jolly Roger, but Google has been updating _all_ Android phones over version 4.4 for years!

    Monthly.

    Yup. Monthly.
    <https://www.androidheadlines.com/2022/01/google-monthly-changelog-play-system-updates.html>
    "Google System updates, meanwhile, are fully automated. Originally
    referred to as Project Mainline, these updates fix bugs discovered
    in various OS components like device connectivity, location services,
    media services, Emergency alerts, and others."

    It's so seamless, most Android users don't even know it.

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  • From Jolly Roger@21:1/5 to Andrew on Wed May 15 02:45:24 2024
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone, comp.sys.mac.apps

    On 2024-05-15, Andrew <andrew@spam.net> wrote:
    Jolly Roger wrote on 14 May 2024 23:25:59 GMT :

    [more trolling ignored]

    [more trolling ignored]

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  • From Andrew@21:1/5 to Jolly Roger on Wed May 15 19:05:01 2024
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone, comp.sys.mac.apps

    Jolly Roger wrote on 15 May 2024 02:45:24 GMT :

    [more trolling ignored]

    Facts.

    The iPhone is exploited over ten times more than Android is.
    <https://www.cisa.gov/known-exploited-vulnerabilities-catalog>

    Apple only fully supports one release and one release only.
    <https://screenrant.com/apple-product-security-update-lifespan/>
    <https://support.apple.com/guide/deployment/about-software-updates-depc4c80847a/>
    <https://hothardware.com/news/apple-admits-only-fully-patches-security-flaws-in-latest-os-releases>
    <https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2022/10/apple-clarifies-security-update-policy-only-the-latest-oses-are-fully-patched/>

    Samsung and Google support 7 years of operating system updates
    and 7 years of security updates to the operating system, Jolly Roger.
    *Samsung Extends Android and Security Updates to 7 Years*
    <https://www.cnet.com/tech/mobile/samsung-extends-android-and-security-updates-to-7-years/>
    "Samsung phones now come backed with seven years' worth of
    security updates and seven generations of OS upgrades."

    *Google just put Apple and Samsung on notice - 7 years of software updates*
    <https://www.tomsguide.com/opinion/google-pixel-8-software-updates>
    "That support covers everything, including full Android updates,
    the regular Pixel feature drops and security updates."

    In addition, for billions of Android devices, Google has been updating
    _all_ of those over version 4.4 for years! Monthly.

    Yup. Monthly.
    <https://www.androidheadlines.com/2022/01/google-monthly-changelog-play-system-updates.html>
    "Google System updates, meanwhile, are fully automated. Originally
    referred to as Project Mainline, these updates fix bugs discovered
    in various OS components like device connectivity, location services,
    media services, Emergency alerts, and others."

    It's so seamless, most Android users don't even know it.

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  • From Andrew@21:1/5 to Chris on Wed May 15 19:05:06 2024
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone, comp.sys.mac.system

    Chris wrote on Wed, 15 May 2024 14:55:58 -0000 (UTC) :

    Talk about completely whooshing the point. Do you even read?

    Chris,

    People like you are why I say the things I do about Apple zealots.
    Badgolferman is an adult - he would never say the lies you just said.

    I have one advantage over all of you religious zealots, and it precisely
    that I'm not stupid - where I'm calling you out on your lies about support.
    <https://support.apple.com/guide/deployment/about-software-updates-depc4c80847a/>

    FACT:
    *Apple only fully supports one and only one major release*

    Not fact.

    If you think Apple fully supports more than one release, Chris,
    then it's you who didn't read any of the cites I provided, one of which is
    from Apple which badgolferman read and quoted, which refutes your claim.

    Since it _is_ fact, I posit you didn't understand the cite.

    FACT:
    Apple only fully supports one release and Apple clearly says that.
    <https://support.apple.com/guide/deployment/about-software-updates-depc4c80847a/>

    Apple can only fully support currently implemented architectures.
    The fact is Apple does update 17, 16 & 15 regularly.

    Chris... there's no way you have a PhD if you can't comprehend that every operating system vendor, including Apple, fixes egregious bugs in every release, even releases a decade old - but that does not mean they fix every
    bug they know of in that release - and - in fact - Apple specifically
    states that they do NOT fix every bug they know of in any release but in
    the latest release. That's just a fact, Chris.

    The fact you can't comprehend facts is why I say what I say about you.
    I've never met people as incomprehensible as you Chris in my entire life.

    Only on this Apple newsgroup are people who can't comprehend facts.
    Even facts that Apple publicly stated are facts.
    <https://support.apple.com/guide/deployment/about-software-updates-depc4c80847a/>


    REFERENCES:
    <https://screenrant.com/apple-product-security-update-lifespan/>
    <https://support.apple.com/guide/deployment/about-software-updates-depc4c80847a/>
    <https://hothardware.com/news/apple-admits-only-fully-patches-security-flaws-in-latest-os-releases>
    <https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2022/10/apple-clarifies-security-update-policy-only-the-latest-oses-are-fully-patched/>

    That last arsetechnica article makes an invalid point in comparing two 5
    year old computers and claims the mac would have to be junked due to
    company policy due to to no more support. What it forgets is that companies have policies of refreshing hardware on a 3, 4, 5 year cycle anyway regardless of whether it's supported or not.

    The fact remains that only Apple fully supports only one release, Chris.
    That's just a fact.
    <https://support.apple.com/guide/deployment/about-software-updates-depc4c80847a/>

    A 5 year old PC will be on its knees as well.

    That's a ridiculously absurd assessment Chris.

    My desktop PC was built in 2009, Chris, and it kicks ass because it was
    built by me with high end components of that day and age - and it has full operating system support for all bugs that Microsoft knows about.

    So you're wrong again.

    People like you are why I say the things I do about Apple zealots.
    Badgolferman is an adult - he would never say the lies you just said.

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  • From Jolly Roger@21:1/5 to Andrew on Thu May 16 01:56:17 2024
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone, comp.sys.mac.apps

    On 2024-05-15, Andrew <andrew@spam.net> wrote:
    Jolly Roger wrote on 15 May 2024 02:45:24 GMT :

    [more trolling ignored]

    Facts.

    The iPhone is exploited over ten times more than Android is.

    Nope, that's not a fact.

    Bye now.

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  • From Andrew@21:1/5 to Jolly Roger on Thu May 16 02:20:32 2024
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone, comp.sys.mac.apps

    Jolly Roger wrote on 16 May 2024 01:56:17 GMT :

    The iPhone is exploited over ten times more than Android is.

    Nope, that's not a fact.

    You don't like that fact but it's still a fact, Jolly Roger.
    <https://www.cisa.gov/known-exploited-vulnerabilities-catalog>

    However, I understand why you think it's not a fact, which is your whole experience with Apple has been Apple telling you it's never exploited.

    Just like Ashley Madison told the customers they were safe when they
    weren't, Apple is no different than they were, Jolly Roger.

    The sad fact is the iPhone is the most exploited phone in history.
    <https://www.cisa.gov/known-exploited-vulnerabilities-catalog>

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  • From Jolly Roger@21:1/5 to Andrew on Thu May 16 16:26:59 2024
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone, comp.sys.mac.apps

    On 2024-05-16, Andrew <andrew@spam.net> wrote:
    Jolly Roger wrote on 16 May 2024 01:56:17 GMT :

    The iPhone is exploited over ten times more than Android is.

    Nope, that's not a fact.

    You don't like that fact but it's still a fact, Jolly Roger. <https://www.cisa.gov/known-exploited-vulnerabilities-catalog>

    As is so often the case, your lie is as weak as your intellect. On that
    list:

    - iOS has 131 exploited vulnerabilities
    - Android has 16 exploited vulnerabilities
    - Google has 57 exploited vulnerabilities
    - Samsung has 11 exploited vulnerabilities

    So the Android operating system combined with the most popular Android
    web browser combined with the most popular smartphone brand (Samsung)
    comes out to 84 exploited vulnerabilities. And we haven't even included
    the rest of the popular Android smartphone brands or alternative web
    browsers.

    Total iPhone: 131
    Total Android: 84

    Your "exploited over ten times more" claim doesn't stand up to scrutiny,
    which is par for the course for your claims which always exaggerate (and
    often just fabricate) so-called "facts" to align with your
    zealotry-driven anti-Apple slant.

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  • From Jolly Roger@21:1/5 to badgolferman on Thu May 16 22:54:53 2024
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone, comp.sys.mac.apps

    On 2024-05-16, badgolferman <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> wrote:
    Jolly Roger wrote:

    Total iPhone: 131
    Total Android: 84

    Isn't that bad enough?

    It's not "ten times more". You support Arlen's lies because they align
    with your bias, but that doesn't make them "facts".

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  • From Andrew@21:1/5 to badgolferman on Fri May 17 15:33:12 2024
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone, comp.sys.mac.apps

    badgolferman wrote on Thu, 16 May 2024 16:44:46 -0000 (UTC) :

    Total iPhone: 131
    Total Android: 84

    Isn't that bad enough?

    Using those numbers the iPhone is *currently* exploited 1.64 times more
    than is Android, so I stand corrected (last I had checked, admittedly a
    while ago, it was much higher). I agree it's not ten times more.

    I apologize.
    Thanks to Jolly Roger for stating the truth about Apple products' safety.

    While the numbers of known exploits can and will change almost daily, as
    far as I've seen, the iPhone _always_ has far more exploits than does
    Android - where my main point is that Apple never advertises these facts.

    As with Ashley Madison, Apple only says you're safer - but you're not.

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  • From Alan@21:1/5 to Andrew on Fri May 17 09:16:36 2024
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone, comp.sys.mac.apps

    On 2024-05-17 08:33, Andrew wrote:
    badgolferman wrote on Thu, 16 May 2024 16:44:46 -0000 (UTC) :

    Total iPhone: 131
    Total Android: 84

    Isn't that bad enough?

    Using those numbers the iPhone is *currently* exploited 1.64 times more
    than is Android, so I stand corrected (last I had checked, admittedly a
    while ago, it was much higher). I agree it's not ten times more.

    Or the whole thing is a lot more nuanced than you'd like to pretend it is...


    I apologize.
    Thanks to Jolly Roger for stating the truth about Apple products' safety.

    While the numbers of known exploits can and will change almost daily, as
    far as I've seen, the iPhone _always_ has far more exploits than does
    Android - where my main point is that Apple never advertises these facts.

    But yesterday, "as far as [you'd] seen", you were claiming it was "ten
    times" as many...

    ...so we know a lot about how much to trust your conclusions, don't we?

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  • From Andrew@21:1/5 to Andrew on Fri May 17 16:18:15 2024
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone, comp.sys.mac.system

    Andrew wrote on Fri, 17 May 2024 16:15:49 -0000 (UTC) :

    In fact, I did respond when you said Apple supports multiple releases.
    I said that is a lie.

    fully

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  • From Andrew@21:1/5 to Chris on Fri May 17 16:15:49 2024
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone, comp.sys.mac.system

    Chris wrote on Fri, 17 May 2024 12:13:48 -0000 (UTC) :

    You don't even respond to people's point. You just repeat the same verbal diarrhoea on the same single narrow, boring thing.

    Chris,

    I'm logical. I based my assessments on documented facts.
    Not Apple advertisements.

    In fact, I did respond when you said Apple supports multiple releases.
    I said that is a lie.

    And I provided proof it is a lie.
    The fact remains that only Apple fully supports only one release, Chris.

    FACT:
    *Apple fully supports only one major release on all is iOS & PC products*
    <https://support.apple.com/guide/deployment/about-software-updates-depc4c80847a/>

    You're obsessing on the word "fully" which is open to interpretation as I posted to badgolferman the other day.

    Heh heh heh... and you wonder why I claim you zealots are what they are.
    Every article explains the "fully" Chris. It's pretty simple you know.

    Fully means that Apple patches EVERY SINGLE VULNERABILITY IT KNOWS ABOUT.

    Now, I do admit that Apple could be much more explicit by what it means
    like Google and Samsung have done recently.

    Here I fully agree with you, Chris. Apple is clever. They want people to be confused by that document, which, mind you, Apple was *forced* to publish.
    <https://support.apple.com/guide/deployment/about-software-updates-depc4c80847a/>

    If you ask me where I found out that Apple was *forced* to publish it,
    make sure you read these first before asking me why I say that happened.
    <https://screenrant.com/apple-product-security-update-lifespan/>
    <https://hothardware.com/news/apple-admits-only-fully-patches-security-flaws-in-latest-os-releases>
    <https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2022/10/apple-clarifies-security-update-policy-only-the-latest-oses-are-fully-patched/>

    The *evidence* does remain that in the last year the three most recent ios versions are updated constantly.

    It's good that you're looking at facts, Chris, as I posit that most of the Apple zealots only get their "news" about Apple from Apple's advertising.

    And Apple is never going to advertise that Google said that much of the iOS code could never have been tested at all, let alone the lack of coverage.

    We discussed the fact that Apple doesn't sufficiently test their code, and
    that it was proven many times that Apple _never_ tested much of the code. (Remember the Facetime fiasco, for example?)

    Since Apple's QA is atrocious (even Craig Federighi said so in leaked
    internal emails, Chris - which we covered in the past) it's no wonder that Apple always has more than 1.5 times the exploits that Android has.

    The fact is you will never see Apple advertise the facts about its lack of testing for iOS (remember the battery issues of years ago, Chris?).

    Anyone who gets ALL their information about Apple ONLY from Apple advertisements, is likely to be turned into a zealot over time because
    everyone else who reads the news will tell them a truth they won't like.


    every
    operating system vendor, including Apple, fixes egregious bugs in every
    release, even releases a decade old - but that does not mean they fix every >> bug they know of in that release - and - in fact - Apple specifically
    states that they do NOT fix every bug they know of in any release but in
    the latest release. That's just a fact, Chris.

    What we don't know is why? For example, not all win11 bugs will update in win10 because they are different oses.

    Unfortunately, you do not understand what it means to be fully patched.
    Ask badgolferman. He is an adult. He understood the instant he read the articles I had provided (which you show no evidence of having read).

    Currently Windows 10 and Windows 11 are fully supported (AFAIK).
    1. That means all known Microsoft-caused bugs in Win10 are patched.
    2. That means all known Microsoft-caused bugs in Win11 are patched.
    3. Often they're the same bugs and the same patch - but not always.

    Mind you there can be Chrome-caused bugs in Windows also, such as this bug
    I had dutifully reported to the Windows newsgroup a few days ago.

    And there can be Apple-caused bugs in Windows also, such as this iTunes bug
    I had reported to the Windows newsgroup a few days ago.
    *Nasty zero-day in Chrome*
    <https://www.novabbs.com/computers/article-flat.php?id=78997&group=alt.comp.os.windows-10#78997>

    *Apple Addresses Critical Security Vulnerability For Windows 10 & 11 Users*
    <https://www.novabbs.com/computers/article-flat.php?id=79031&group=alt.comp.os.windows-10#79031>

    What I've noticed about the Apple zealots is that they don't understand how Apple systems update, nor how other systems update, and yet they argue endlessly based only on their knowledge coming from Apple marketing ads.

    Also note that only on Apple newsgroups do zealots rise up to defend the mothership to the death - but they don't understand anything about Apple.

    They claim I only talk about Apple bugs, but I report bugs on all the
    operating systems. The zealots are simply defending Apple to the death.

    They only know Apple advertised that they're "safer" on Apple products.
    Which is a lie.

    My desktop PC was built in 2009, Chris, and it kicks ass because it was
    built by me with high end components of that day and age - and it has full >> operating system support for all bugs that Microsoft knows about.

    Like every corporation allows their employers to build their own high spec PC. lol, no.

    When I was in the corporate world in the Silicon Valley, as a technical
    kind of guy, I had RedHat and Windows desktops and laptops for my use.

    They were replaced roughly about every two years, as I recall.
    They even replaced my keyboard and mouse and monitors as frequently.

    Even my desk and chair were changed around every few years.
    But the corporate world is different than the home market Chris.

    On my 2009 PC, I've replaced two RAM sticks (which had memory errors),
    and I've swapped out the graphics card with my kid whom I bought a more powerful card for, & I took his power supply since he needed a more
    powerful power supply with a ton of connections his didn't at first have.

    And that's about it for modifications since 2009 and it works fine for me.

    Oh, and this is important when you compare with Apple's crappy support...

    FACT:
    Every single operating system upgrade since 2009 has been free and
    better yet, every single one was fully supported and even better than
    that, the current operating system is fully supported by Microsoft.

    That's part of why I can assess that Apple support is the worst in the industry, Chris - which is something that Apple never advertises.

    So you need to get your news outside of Apple's brilliant advertising
    as Apple's bugfix support is actually the worst in the industry, Chris.

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  • From Jolly Roger@21:1/5 to Alan on Fri May 17 16:21:07 2024
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone, comp.sys.mac.apps

    On 2024-05-17, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
    On 2024-05-17 08:33, Andrew wrote:
    badgolferman wrote on Thu, 16 May 2024 16:44:46 -0000 (UTC) :

    Total iPhone: 131
    Total Android: 84

    Isn't that bad enough?

    Using those numbers the iPhone is *currently* exploited 1.64 times
    more than is Android

    Still wrong, since we haven't included other popular Android smartphones
    in the equation.

    Or the whole thing is a lot more nuanced than you'd like to pretend it
    is...

    I apologize. Thanks to Jolly Roger for stating the truth about Apple
    products' safety.

    While the numbers of known exploits can and will change almost daily,
    as far as I've seen, the iPhone _always_ has far more exploits than
    does Android - where my main point is that Apple never advertises
    these facts.

    But yesterday, "as far as [you'd] seen", you were claiming it was "ten
    times" as many...

    ...so we know a lot about how much to trust your conclusions, don't
    we?

    His trolls are as weak as his intellect. All are easily proven false.

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  • From Andrew@21:1/5 to Jolly Roger on Fri May 17 16:34:18 2024
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone, comp.sys.mac.apps

    Jolly Roger wrote on 17 May 2024 16:21:07 GMT :

    Still wrong, since we haven't included other popular Android smartphones
    in the equation.

    Long ago, we had a loooong thread when I explained patiently to you Apple zealots that Apple marketing lies to you about Apple's support, given that Apple actually has the worst bugfix support in the entire industry, JR.

    Part of that thread was based on an in-depth analysis of the data.
    *Known Exploited Vulnerabilities Catalog*
    <https://www.cisa.gov/known-exploited-vulnerabilities-catalog>

    Where when we added up all the iOS-related known exploits (which includes
    more than just the iPhone) and all the Android related known exploits
    (which also include more than just phones), the ratio was over 10 to 1.

    Showing that Apple's iOS-related exploits are the worst in the industry.

    If it's only over 1-1/2 times worse by your count, that's not going to
    change the outcome which is that Apple's exploits are consistently the
    worst in the industry - by a lot.

    His trolls are as weak as his intellect. All are easily proven false.

    You call every fact about Apple that you don't like, a troll, Jolly Roger, because you get all your news only from Apple's (brilliant) marketing.

    I get my news from reliable independent non-biased credible sources, JR.

    FACT:
    *Known Exploited Vulnerabilities Catalog*
    <https://www.cisa.gov/known-exploited-vulnerabilities-catalog>

    ASSESSMENT:
    *Apple products consistently have the most exploits in the industry.*

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  • From Jolly Roger@21:1/5 to Andrew on Fri May 17 19:19:21 2024
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone, comp.sys.mac.apps

    On 2024-05-17, Andrew <andrew@spam.net> wrote:
    Jolly Roger wrote on 17 May 2024 16:21:07 GMT :

    Still wrong, since we haven't included other popular Android smartphones
    in the equation.

    Apple zealots
    Apple marketing
    Apple's support

    Try staying on topic, Arlen. I know it's hard for you due to your
    emotions getting in the way, but try. FACT (you love that word, right?):
    These numbers don't include vulnerabilities from all Android smartphone vendors, but do include all iPhones since only Apple makes them. Any
    rational adult will know that it is therefore inherently unfair to
    exclude some Android vulnerabilities from some Android smartphone
    vendors when comparing to iPhones. You know this. You just don't care
    because of your very clear bias.

    His trolls are as weak as his intellect. All are easily proven false.

    You call every fact

    Your so-called "fact" (that Apple's iPhones are exploited ten times as
    much as Android phones" has been easily proven to be FALSE - a LIE -
    which greatly upsets you. You're emotional. You're not in a position of rationality. So you resort to ad hominem slinging your little schoolyard insults. You're a pathetic mental & emotional weakling.

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  • From Andrew@21:1/5 to Chris on Wed May 22 01:50:11 2024
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone

    Chris wrote on Sun, 19 May 2024 10:58:17 -0000 (UTC) :

    I'm logical. I based my assessments on documented facts.

    Only cherry-picked facts. That's lying by omission. Plus many things you claim to be facts are actually opinions.

    It's not me, but you who gets confused by facts versus assessments of them.
    I know the difference between facts and an assessment based on those facts.

    For example, an assessment of the facts is that the iPhone enjoys the worst hotfix support in the industry - which is based on a lot of facts - one of which is that Apple fully supports only a single release at a time - while every other operating system vendor simultaneously supports multiple OS's.

    Nobody but Apple only fully support a single release, Chris.
    That's a fact.

    The problem with you religious zealots is you don't know any of the facts.
    So you think all the assessments of those myriad facts are wrong.

    Which is why I say the things I do about you Apple religious zealots.

    In fact, I did respond when you said Apple supports multiple releases.
    I said that is a lie.

    That's not the point of what I was saying in this thread and provided evidence of: Apple has historically supported iphones far, far longer than either Samsung or Google.

    I never disagreed that Apple has never fully supported more than one
    release Chris - it's *you* who disagreed with what even Apple has admitted.

    *Apple has _never_ fully supported more than one release at a time*

    That's just a fact.

    Let me repeat for your benefit as you cowardly snipped it before: https://endoflife.date/iphone Oldest models still supported: 6s/6s Plus Released: Sep 2015
    No. major updates: 6

    If I need to repeat that *the iPhone 6 is NOT fully supported by Apple*,
    then it's you who doesn't comprehend Apple has never fully supported more
    than one release Chris - and the iPhone 6 is not fully supported by Apple.

    If you can't comprehend that fact - then it's true everything I say about
    you since you're supposed to have a PhD, Chris... in the sciences.

    Here's an assessment of the fact you stated you had a PhD in the sciences.

    ASSESSMENT:
    If you can't comprehend that simply fact, you couldn't even pass science classes in High School, let alone in college, and let alone in grad school.

    That's just an assessment of the fact you said you had a PhD.

    https://endoflife.date/samsung-mobile Oldest models still supported: Galaxy A01/A51* Released: Dec 2018
    No. major updates: ?

    * S20 models (from 2020) are no longer supported

    https://endoflife.date/pixel Oldest models still supported: Pixel 5a Released: Aug 2021
    No. major updates: 3

    My free Galaxy A32-5G was released 22 January 2021 (three years ago) & I
    just checked the settings which says "Security patch level: March 1, 2024".

    So it has been fully supported for three years so far, and the more modern recent Androids from Samsung & Google are updated fully for seven years.

    Also remember all the apps are fully supported over the automatic Google
    Play Store update mechanism for most phones, and in my case, they're auto updated using the clone of the open source Google Play Store that I use.

    In addition, over twenty five core Google modules are constantly updated completely seamlessly over the Google Play System update mechanism
    (formerly named Project Mainline) which I gave you proof of many times.

    Do you even realize billions of Android phones from Android 4.4 and up are updated every month over that mechanism, Chris? You probably do not.

    Which is why I say what I say about you Apple religious zealots.
    a. You know nothing about how iOS updates, and,
    b. You know even less about how Android updates... but worse...
    c. You feel qualified to lie about your feelings iOS updates 'betterly.

    Apple always has more than 1.5 times the exploits that Android has.

    It was "10 times more" only a couple of days ago.
    You got caught lying yet again.

    Actually that's a longer story than you're capable of comprehending,
    even with that PhD in the medical sciences that you claim to own.

    I calculated once, when I first notified the Apple group of that site, that it's over ten times more because there are exploits in Safari & WebKit, for example, which are reported separately (as Jolly Roger himself found out).

    They affect both of Apple's main operating systems, Chris.
    But they're included in that CISA report separately.

    So, in reality, the number of exploits in iOS is actually ten times
    larger, but I don't want to run those tedious calculations again.

    So I'll accept that it's not only 1.64 times what Android has, but the main point is it is *always more* than what Android has - and that's what
    matters most.

    Do you religious zealots every wonder why Apple never tells you this?

    Currently Windows 10 and Windows 11 are fully supported (AFAIK).
    1. That means all known Microsoft-caused bugs in Win10 are patched.
    2. That means all known Microsoft-caused bugs in Win11 are patched.
    3. Often they're the same bugs and the same patch - but not always.

    And you know that how? Where's the evidence that every MS known bug is
    fixed in Win11 and Win 10?

    Now you're just grasping at straws.

    Microsoft says they fix every known bug in both releases, one of which was released in July 29, 2015 and even then, it was a free upgrade of Windows Vista, which came out in January 30, 2007 (which was on my desktop which I built in 2009).

    So from 2007 to today, Microsoft has been fixing all the known bugs in the release which is 17 years, Chris.

    How long has Apple been fixing the bugs in the latest macOS release Chris? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MacOS_version_history

    They were replaced roughly about every two years, as I recall.
    They even replaced my keyboard and mouse and monitors as frequently.

    Thanks for confirming that the arsetechnica article is based on a false premise: no corporation would keep supporting five-year old hardware regardless of whether MS/Apple does.

    The fact is that Apple only fully supports a single release, Chris.
    The fact is no other consumer OS vendor supports only one release.

    The assessment is that *Apple's support is the worst in the industry*,
    but I base that assessment on far more than those two facts above.

    What do you base your assessment of Apple's support on Chris?
    Don't answer - I already know.

    Apple advertisements.

    HINT: Apple isn't going to tell you their support is the worst.

    Hell... they're not even telling you they forgot to delete your
    photos and only figured that out in the latest OS upgrade Chris.

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  • From Andrew@21:1/5 to Jolly Roger on Wed May 22 03:23:31 2024
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone, comp.sys.mac.apps

    Jolly Roger wrote on 17 May 2024 19:19:21 GMT :

    These numbers don't include vulnerabilities from all Android smartphone vendors, but do include all iPhones since only Apple makes them.

    As I said, I am well aware that the CISA exploits break exploits down into categories which become complex and which only you seem to have understood.

    Any
    rational adult will know that it is therefore inherently unfair to
    exclude some Android vulnerabilities from some Android smartphone
    vendors when comparing to iPhones. You know this. You just don't care
    because of your very clear bias.

    Since you were the only zealot who understood the vulnerabilities were categorized in a complex way, I let you off the hook when you calculated
    the iOS exploits to be 1.64 times the Android exploits, Jolly Roger.

    When I first told you about CISA's report more than a year or two ago, I
    also ran those calculations and found iOS to be over 10 times Android, and
    in that case I included the Samsung bugs into the Android ones too.

    It really doesn't matter how much Apple is exploited more than Android
    though, as the main point is that you believe only what Apple tells you.

    And Apple is never going to tell you Apple has the worst support in the industry, Jolly Roger. Nor are they going to tell you that the iPhone is
    always exploited far more than Android is exploited, Jolly Roger.

    And there are good reasons why iOS is exploited more than Android too.
    You need to get your data from outside of Apple's brilliant marketing, JR.

    His trolls are as weak as his intellect. All are easily proven false.

    You call every fact

    Your so-called "fact" (that Apple's iPhones are exploited ten times as
    much as Android phones" has been easily proven to be FALSE - a LIE -
    which greatly upsets you.

    Actually, the only thing that matters is the iPhone is exploited.
    A lot.

    Apple will never advertise that the iPhone is exploited more than Android. Apple won't even tell you the iPhone is exploited.

    Did you ever wonder why Apple always says the iPhone "may" have been
    exploited every time that any known exploits have been explained to them?

    They want YOU (the gullible customer) to believe it wasn't exploited.
    When it was.

    You're emotional. You're not in a position of
    rationality. So you resort to ad hominem slinging your little schoolyard insults. You're a pathetic mental & emotional weakling.

    And yet, I'm the one who informed YOU that Apple only fully supports a
    single release, Jolly Roger.

    It's no longer shocking how little you know about iOS, Jolly Roger.

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