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badgolferman wrote on Mon, 13 May 2024 09:29:23 -0000 (UTC) :

Fortunately what others believe about their phones doesn�t affect me. On
the other hand I appreciate being presented with facts to make my own decisions.

The brazen lies by the Apple religious zealots bothers me, if not you.

FACTS:
1. Apple only fully supports a single major release (currently iOS 17).
2. The iPhone has more than ten times the exploits that Android has.
3. Google & Samsung support multiple releases in a seven year period.

For years the Apple religious zealots have lied by denying those facts.

My iPhones rarely last 5-7 years anyway. Some part of the hardware will go bad, like batteries, charging ports, broken glass, etc. Or Tmobile will
offer a free upgrade every few years.

There's a difference between facts & assessments where my assessment of the three facts above are the statements...

1. *Apple has the worst hotfix support in the industry.*
2. *The iPhone is the least secure smartphone in history.*
3. *Google & Samsung fully support far more releases than Apple does.*

What's interesting is the ignorant uneducated Apple zealots don't
realize this because the only thing they know is what Apple feeds them.

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On 2024-05-13 11:27, Andrew wrote:

badgolferman wrote on Mon, 13 May 2024 09:29:23 -0000 (UTC) :

Fortunately what others believe about their phones doesn�t affect me. On >> the other hand I appreciate being presented with facts to make my own
decisions.

The brazen lies by the Apple religious zealots bothers me, if not you.

FACTS:
1. Apple only fully supports a single major release (currently iOS 17).

Fact: Apple supports older phones by making sure that they can run the
latest iOS for years.

2. The iPhone has more than ten times the exploits that Android has.

That's an unproven ASSERTION, not a fact.

3. Google & Samsung support multiple releases in a seven year period.

That is a recent development.

For years the Apple religious zealots have lied by denying those facts.

My iPhones rarely last 5-7 years anyway. Some part of the hardware will go >> bad, like batteries, charging ports, broken glass, etc. Or Tmobile will
offer a free upgrade every few years.

There's a difference between facts & assessments where my assessment of the three facts above are the statements...

1. *Apple has the worst hotfix support in the industry.*
2. *The iPhone is the least secure smartphone in history.*
3. *Google & Samsung fully support far more releases than Apple does.*

What's interesting is the ignorant uneducated Apple zealots don't
realize this because the only thing they know is what Apple feeds them.

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On 2024-05-14, Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> wrote:

Andrew <andrew@spam.net> wrote:

badgolferman wrote on Mon, 13 May 2024 09:29:23 -0000 (UTC) :

Fortunately what others believe about their phones doesnąt affect me. On >>> the other hand I appreciate being presented with facts to make my own
decisions.

The brazen lies by the Apple religious zealots bothers me, if not you.

FACTS:
1. Apple only fully supports a single major release (currently iOS 17).
2. The iPhone has more than ten times the exploits that Android has.
3. Google & Samsung support multiple releases in a seven year period.

For years the Apple religious zealots have lied by denying those facts.

Given that the 7-years policy is only a few months old, how can "Apple religious zealots" (sic) have lied for years?

"Everyone who calls me out on my brazen lies is an Apple religion
zealot, y'all! 🤡"

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Jolly Roger wrote on 14 May 2024 19:43:07 GMT :

FACTS:
1. Apple only fully supports a single major release (currently iOS 17).
2. The iPhone has more than ten times the exploits that Android has.
3. Google & Samsung support multiple releases in a seven year period.

For years the Apple religious zealots have lied by denying those facts.

Given that the 7-years policy is only a few months old, how can "Apple
religious zealots" (sic) have lied for years?

"Everyone who calls me out on my brazen lies is an Apple religion
zealot, y'all!

And yet, see my post to Chris showing everything both you and Chris
claimed was easily shown (with cites) to be completely wrong.

For example, Google updates bugfixes monthly on billions of old
Android phones (every phone on the net that's older than 4.4). <https://www.androidheadlines.com/2022/01/google-monthly-changelog-play-system-updates.html>

It's no longer shocking that you religious nutcases not only know
nothing about how iOS or Android is supported - but you think you do.

And yet, the truth is *Apple has the worst hotfix support in the industry*. <https://screenrant.com/apple-product-security-update-lifespan/> <https://support.apple.com/guide/deployment/about-software-updates-depc4c80847a/>
<https://hothardware.com/news/apple-admits-only-fully-patches-security-flaws-in-latest-os-releases>
<https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2022/10/apple-clarifies-security-update-policy-only-the-latest-oses-are-fully-patched/>

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Chris wrote on Tue, 14 May 2024 18:38:38 -0000 (UTC) :

1. Apple only fully supports a single major release (currently iOS 17).
2. The iPhone has more than ten times the exploits that Android has.
3. Google & Samsung support multiple releases in a seven year period.

For years the Apple religious zealots have lied by denying those facts.

Given that the 7-years policy is only a few months old, how can "Apple religious zealots" (sic) have lied for years?

Chris,
Please keep in mind that you're ignorant.
You know absolutely nothing.

You don't know how Android updates.
And you don't know how iOS updates.

I do. (Because I'm not stupid).
You don't.

I am only feeding you bit by bit - I don't talk to you like an adult.
With badgolferman - I talk to him like an adult - but not with you.

Google has been updating _all_ Android phones over version 4.4 for years! Monthly.

Yup. Monthly. <https://www.androidheadlines.com/2022/01/google-monthly-changelog-play-system-updates.html>
"Google System updates, meanwhile, are fully automated. Originally
referred to as Project Mainline, these updates fix bugs discovered
in various OS components like device connectivity, location services,
media services, Emergency alerts, and others."

That's way more updates than Apple gives you Chris.
I realize this is too much information for you to handle,
but the lack of these updates is why Apple hotfix support stinks.

Google regularly releases these updates to all Android-powered devices, including smartphones, tablets, TVs, and Wear OS smartwatches.

In addition, Apple only fully supports a single release, Chris.
Yet Jolly Roger lied as recently as a few days ago about that.

Look it up.
He told badgolferman that Apple fully patches all releases.

The fact is Apple only fully supports one release only.
No other operating system vendor has support that sucks that bad.

You can hate me for explaining to you (with facts) that
Apple's support is the worst in the industry - but I don't
expect you to believe in facts.

Because I've told you all this probably scores of times, Chris.
You're too stupid to understand facts about Apple products.

All you know are what Apple says it does.
Not what Apple actually does.

<https://screenrant.com/apple-product-security-update-lifespan/> <https://support.apple.com/guide/deployment/about-software-updates-depc4c80847a/>
<https://hothardware.com/news/apple-admits-only-fully-patches-security-flaws-in-latest-os-releases>
<https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2022/10/apple-clarifies-security-update-policy-only-the-latest-oses-are-fully-patched/>

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On 2024-05-14 14:09, Andrew wrote:

Chris wrote on Tue, 14 May 2024 18:38:38 -0000 (UTC) :

1. Apple only fully supports a single major release (currently iOS 17).
2. The iPhone has more than ten times the exploits that Android has.
3. Google & Samsung support multiple releases in a seven year period.

For years the Apple religious zealots have lied by denying those facts.

Given that the 7-years policy is only a few months old, how can "Apple
religious zealots" (sic) have lied for years?

Chris,
Please keep in mind that...

...absolutely nothing you wrote answered his simple question.

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On 2024-05-14, Andrew <andrew@spam.net> wrote:

Chris wrote on Tue, 14 May 2024 18:38:38 -0000 (UTC) :

1. Apple only fully supports a single major release (currently iOS 17).
2. The iPhone has more than ten times the exploits that Android has.
3. Google & Samsung support multiple releases in a seven year period.

For years the Apple religious zealots have lied by denying those facts.

Given that the 7-years policy is only a few months old, how can "Apple
religious zealots" (sic) have lied for years?

Chris,
Please keep in mind that you're ignorant.

More ad hominem.

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Jolly Roger wrote on 14 May 2024 23:27:04 GMT :

More ad hominem.

Do you know how Android updates, Jolly Roger?
The answer is no.

Do you even know how iOS updates, Jolly Roger?
The answer is no.

Facts.

Apple only fully supports one release and one release only.
<https://screenrant.com/apple-product-security-update-lifespan/>
<https://support.apple.com/guide/deployment/about-software-updates-depc4c80847a/>
<https://hothardware.com/news/apple-admits-only-fully-patches-security-flaws-in-latest-os-releases>
<https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2022/10/apple-clarifies-security-update-policy-only-the-latest-oses-are-fully-patched/>

Not only do Samsung and Google support 7 years of operating system updates
and 7 years of security updates to the operating system, Jolly Roger, but Google has been updating _all_ Android phones over version 4.4 for years!

Monthly.

Yup. Monthly.
<https://www.androidheadlines.com/2022/01/google-monthly-changelog-play-system-updates.html>
"Google System updates, meanwhile, are fully automated. Originally
referred to as Project Mainline, these updates fix bugs discovered
in various OS components like device connectivity, location services,
media services, Emergency alerts, and others."

It's so seamless, most Android users don't even know it.

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badgolferman wrote on Wed, 15 May 2024 01:33:32 -0000 (UTC) :

He must know how iOS updates its software.
It's spelled out pretty clearly in Apple�s own document above.

Note: Because of dependency on architecture and system changes to any
current version of Apple operating systems (for example, macOS 14, iOS 17, and so on), not all known security issues are addressed in previous
versions (for example, macOS 13, iOS 16, and so on).

Hi badgolferman,

You know, as well as I do, that Apple only fully supports one release.
But I'm not at all sure that Jolly Roger (and the others) understand it.

Bear in mind I'm the one who informed this newsgroup (long ago) that
Apple only fully supports one major release for all known bugs.

Had I not informed them, they'd never know this and they'd still be
spouting the lie that Apple fully supports more than one major release.

Meanwhile, as you saw from the links, Google and Samsung now support
however many major releases occur in a seven year period - and - as you saw from the links - since Android 4.4 Google has been updating _all_ Androids monthly for other hotfix security and basic operating system updates.

Still, Jolly Roger & the rest of them vehemently disagree, saying that they
get iOS or macOS bugfixes every once in a while (as do all the common
consumer operating systems) - and - to them - that's proof of "full"
support.

It's not.

They didn't understand that full hotfix support is completely different
than occasional egregious-bug hotfix support, such as what happened today.
*Yet again, Apple forgot to sufficiently test desktop & iOS versions*
<https://www.novabbs.com/computers/article-flat.php?id=13855&group=misc.phone.mobile.iphone#13855>

What's no longer shocking is I know iOS better than anyone here,
it seems, and I don't even care about iOS - I'm just not stupid.

None of them understand how any operating system updates, badgolferman.
And yet, they're supremely confident in spouting the lies they spew.

They call all these facts, trolls.
<https://www.cisa.gov/known-exploited-vulnerabilities-catalog>
<https://screenrant.com/apple-product-security-update-lifespan/>
<https://support.apple.com/guide/deployment/about-software-updates-depc4c80847a/>
<https://hothardware.com/news/apple-admits-only-fully-patches-security-flaws-in-latest-os-releases>
<https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2022/10/apple-clarifies-security-update-policy-only-the-latest-oses-are-fully-patched/>
<https://www.cnet.com/tech/mobile/samsung-extends-android-and-security-updates-to-7-years/>
<https://www.tomsguide.com/opinion/google-pixel-8-software-updates>
<https://www.androidheadlines.com/2022/01/google-monthly-changelog-play-system-updates.html>

Bear in mind there's a reason why iOS is so full of holes.

One of the reasons is only recently did Apple begin to do
what every other common consumer operating system does,
which is to patch only the bug and not update the whole release.
*RSR patches (only available in iOS 16+)*
<https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT201224>

Also bear in mind Apple's naming convention for update vs upgrade.
*Distinguishing software updates from upgrades*
<https://support.apple.com/guide/deployment/about-software-updates-depc4c80847a/>

I talk to you differently than I do to them since you're an
educated adult so I provided you with the detail sufficient
to know that I understand far better how iOS updates than
does Jolly Roger and the rest of them.

That's kind'a funny isn't it?
I don't even care about iOS and I know more than they do.

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On 2024-05-15, badgolferman <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> wrote:

Andrew <andrew@spam.net> wrote:

Do you even know how iOS updates, Jolly Roger?
The answer is no.

Facts.

Apple only fully supports one release and one release only.
<https://screenrant.com/apple-product-security-update-lifespan/>
<https://support.apple.com/guide/deployment/about-software-updates-depc4c80847a/>
<https://hothardware.com/news/apple-admits-only-fully-patches-security-flaws-in-latest-os-releases>
<https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2022/10/apple-clarifies-security-update-policy-only-the-latest-oses-are-fully-patched/>

He must know how iOS updates its software. It’s spelled out pretty clearly in Apple’s own document above.

Note: Because of dependency on architecture and system changes to any
current version of Apple operating systems (for example, macOS 14, iOS 17, and so on), not all known security issues are addressed in previous
versions (for example, macOS 13, iOS 16, and so on).

I also know you both desperately want us to ignore reality: 67% of
devices run iOS 17, 19% run iOS 16, 8% run iOS 15 = *94%* of devices are running the three most recent versions of iOS. Apple is regularly
patching iOS 17 through iOS 15.

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On 2024-05-15, badgolferman <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> wrote:

Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:

On 2024-05-15, badgolferman <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> wrote:

Andrew <andrew@spam.net> wrote:

Do you even know how iOS updates, Jolly Roger? The answer is no.

Facts.

Apple only fully supports one release and one release only.
<https://screenrant.com/apple-product-security-update-lifespan/>
<https://support.apple.com/guide/deployment/about-software-updates-depc4c80847a/>
<https://hothardware.com/news/apple-admits-only-fully-patches-security-flaws-in-latest-os-releases>
<https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2022/10/apple-clarifies-security-update-policy-only-the-latest-oses-are-fully-patched/>

He must know how iOS updates its software. It’s spelled out pretty
clearly in Apple’s own document above.

Note: Because of dependency on architecture and system changes to
any current version of Apple operating systems (for example, macOS
14, iOS 17, and so on), not all known security issues are addressed
in previous versions (for example, macOS 13, iOS 16, and so on).

I also know you both desperately want us to ignore reality: 67% of
devices run iOS 17, 19% run iOS 16, 8% run iOS 15 = *94%* of devices
are running the three most recent versions of iOS. Apple is regularly
patching iOS 17 through iOS 15.

I know you say that, but the article from Apple says something else.
“Not all known security issues are addressed in previous versions…”

That doesn't conflict with what I said. Some security vulnerabilities
exist in newer versions of software rather than older versions of
software. It is a fact that Apple is patching bugs in iOS 15 and iOS 16
today along with iOS 17. It's also a fact that 94% of devices run iOS
17. It's also a fact that Apple provides major upgrades and minor
updates to older iPhone models for a longer period of time than their competitors.

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Jolly Roger wrote on 15 May 2024 14:58:37 GMT :

not all known security issues are addressed
in previous versions (for example, macOS 13, iOS 16, and so on).

I also know you both desperately want us to ignore reality: 67% of
devices run iOS 17, 19% run iOS 16, 8% run iOS 15 = *94%* of devices
are running the three most recent versions of iOS. Apple is regularly
patching iOS 17 through iOS 15.

I know you say that, but the article from Apple says something else.
Not all known security issues are addressed in previous versions

That doesn't conflict with what I said. Some security vulnerabilities
exist in newer versions of software rather than older versions of
software. It is a fact that Apple is patching bugs in iOS 15 and iOS 16
today along with iOS 17. It's also a fact that 94% of devices run iOS
17. It's also a fact that Apple provides major upgrades and minor
updates to older iPhone models for a longer period of time than their competitors.

It's interesting that the religious zealots can't comprehend the adult statement that badgolferman quoted directly from Apple's own publication.

*Apple alone only fully supports only a single major release*.

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Chris wrote on Wed, 15 May 2024 17:12:34 -0000 (UTC) :

It is possible that (1) is true and Apple only patch things that are (knowingly) being exploited in older ios versions. I'm ok with that as iphones are usually supported with the latest ios for at least 4-5 years.
And have been for much longer than any major android manufacturer.

It's no longer surprising how the Apple religious zealots can't comprehend
what is a very simple basic & easily understood adult statement from Apple.

FACT:
*Only Apple only fully patches only one release & only one release alone*

ASSESSMENT: (based on that and many other related facts)
*Apple has the worst operating system bugfix support in the industry*

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Chris wrote on Mon, 20 May 2024 09:43:04 -0000 (UTC) :

Andrew <andrew@spam.net> wrote:

Chris wrote on Wed, 15 May 2024 17:12:35 -0000 (UTC) :

<https://www.androidheadlines.com/2022/01/google-monthly-changelog-play-system-updates.html>
"Google System updates, meanwhile, are fully automated. Originally
referred to as Project Mainline, these updates fix bugs discovered
in various OS components like device connectivity, location services,
media services, Emergency alerts, and others."

But does it patch every exploit in android which is what you claim Apple >>> does do? Having lots of updates on *some* things is pointless.

Chris,

Answer the question.

I responded to every one of your questions, Chris (see below), as if
you own the same adult capacity to comprehend details as I do, Chris.

In addition, after I spent a while documenting the answers for you,
Chris - which I expect you to read and understand every cite below
before responding, I posed a question for you in the last line of
this missive. *Please see the last line for a question for you.*

Just as Microsoft doesn't patch Firefox bugs, Android has a system for
updating all the apps (it's part of the Google Play Store setup, Chris).

Just as Microsoft has a monthly Patch Tuesday, Android has a monthly patch
of every single Android device on the Internet (older than version 4.4).

And for platform specific bugs, Samsung and Google have full support for
seven years now - which includes all operating system updates during that
time frame (it could be as many as seven major releases, Chris).

Do you understand any of that, Chris?

Many apps also won't be updated if they're on old versions of android. So >>> again partially patching android 4.4 is pointless.

What you do not understand is the non-Google apps are updated separately.

I absolutely know that, which is exactly the point. Non- google apps refuse to update their apps on obsolete versions of android. So Google supposedly updating some parts of Android 4.4 is a waste of time.

Again, I will speak with you as if you're an adult, Chris.
Even though this has been explained on this group umpteen times already.

All non-Google apps are updated by their developers, Chris.
Just like non-Apple apps are updated by their developers, Chris.

The non-Google apps are automatically updated, by default, on Android, by
the Google Play Store update mechanism. Since I use a clone of the Google
Play Store (which doesn't require me to create a login on the phone), my
Play Store clone also updates all the non-Google apps automatically.

This is one update mechanism that is exactly the same on *all* common
consumer operating systems, Chris. I'm sure even iOS & macOS do that.

That's way more updates than Apple gives you Chris.

I thought more was bad? Every time there's an ios update, you rave on how >>> bad apple is at testing things. So android updates = good and apple updates >>> = bad. Got it![1]

Answer the question. Is the frequency of android updates a good thing?

Yet again, I will answer assuming you own adult comprehensive skills.
Even though this has been explained on this group umpteen times already.

What matters is that Apple devices always have more known exploits than
Android and that iPhones always have twice as many zero-day holes, Chris.

What also matters is Apple updates iOS as an "almost monolith", where only
in iOS 16 did Apple begin to start the process of modernizing updates.

Until iOS 16, if a single line of code changed in iOS, Apple had to build
an entire new release stream - which - of course - is an idiotic way of
sending out hotfixes.

Only in iOS 16 did Apple begin to learn how to use modern systems of
patching such that an entire release didn't have to be built if only a
single line of code had to be patched.

I'm sure you know none of this, Chris, yet we've discussed this on this newsgroup since RSR mechanisms were first advertised back in iOS 15 days. <https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT201224>

There's a reason I call you religious zealots ignorant, Chris.

a) You show zero evidence you read the cites that badgolferman did
b) Worse, you show zero evidence that you understood them.

I have shown you the evidence several times. The fact you chose to snip it rather address it, speaks volumes regarding your wilful ignorance.

Chris,

This is why I call you Apple religious zealots what I call you.

I answered all your questions so many times that I can't even count how
many times I've explained on this very newsgroup how Apple is the only
common consumer operating system vendor who does things this strange way,
and as a result, iOS is exploited far more than Android is exploited.
<https://www.cisa.gov/known-exploited-vulnerabilities-catalog>

There's a reason I dumb answers down most of the time for you Apple zealots
as it doesn't matter how many times I explain how iOS and Android update differently, you are too ignorant and uneducated to comprehend anything.

Notice badgolferman even took fifty times to understand it, given we've discussed this topic at least fifty times on this newsgroup, Chris.

But he at least understood it in the end as shown in this very thread that
he read the cites which show Apple has never fully supported more than one release at any given time - which only Apple does. Nobody else does that.

The evidence is two-fold: 1) Apple updates older versions of ios very regularly, 2) ios support of older hardware is *years* longer than Google
or Samsung. Their new policies will only come into reality i'm a few years.

Read the references, Chris. These are facts. Not trolls.
<https://www.cisa.gov/known-exploited-vulnerabilities-catalog>
<https://screenrant.com/apple-product-security-update-lifespan/>
<https://support.apple.com/guide/deployment/about-software-updates-depc4c80847a/>
<https://hothardware.com/news/apple-admits-only-fully-patches-security-flaws-in-latest-os-releases>
<https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2022/10/apple-clarifies-security-update-policy-only-the-latest-oses-are-fully-patched/>
<https://www.cnet.com/tech/mobile/samsung-extends-android-and-security-updates-to-7-years/>
<https://www.tomsguide.com/opinion/google-pixel-8-software-updates>
<https://www.androidheadlines.com/2022/01/google-monthly-changelog-play-system-updates.html>

You live in the past. That last thing you heard about Apple was from Jobs.

The fact is Apple only fully supports one release only.
No other operating system vendor has support that sucks that bad.

It's an acceptable model when all supported hardware can run the most OS. >>> You wouldn't expect anyone to keep a 386 up-to-date? Maybe you would.

Answer the question!

One more time I'm going to respond to you as if you're an adult.
That means you need to read and undersand the response, Chris.

If you can't do that, you don't own adult comprehensive skills, Chris. Especially for someone who claims to have a PhD in the life sciences.

My Windows desktop was built in 2009 and it's still running a fully
supported operating system that has all known bugs patched, Chris.

My non-Microsoft apps and drivers are fully patched too, since I have
programs that handle the patching for me, Chris, such as UCheck,
VulnDetect, PatchMyPC, WingetUI, UpdateHub, Chocolatey & Scoop
(in addition to Sumo/Dumo which were deprecated late last year).

Looking at my updaters on Windows, here they are in alphabetical order...

cd C:\software\updaters\.
mkdir {chocolatey,patchmypc,scoop,ucheck,updatehub,vulndetect,wingetui}

*chocolatey* v2.2.2
"Chocolatey is the package manager for Windows (like apt-get for Windows)"
<https://chocolatey.org/products/#foss>
<https://chocolatey.org/install>
<https://community.chocolatey.org/>
<https://community.chocolatey.org/packages>
<https://community.chocolatey.org/packages/chocolatey>
<https://packages.chocolatey.org/chocolatey.2.2.2.nupkg>
Name: chocolatey.2.2.2.nupkg
Size: 5243268 bytes (5120 KiB)
SHA256: 4E1ACBDAC571719F90B2566566668C448A20074E7C2E3FAA37251C62AF4EFD86

*patchmypc*
"Simplify third-party patching on your home PC"
<https://patchmypc.com/home-updater#download>
<https://patchmypc.com/freeupdater/PatchMyPC.exe>
Name: PatchMyPC.exe
Size: 2596472 bytes (2535 KiB)
SHA256: D5A2DDBA0EE5C577268D69BBC129046D48F36C8306C8A57D4F6B2E2DED193202

*scoop*
"Scoop is a command-line installer for Windows."
<https://github.com/ScoopInstaller/Scoop>
<https://www.makeuseof.com/windows-install-scoop/>

iwr -useb get.scoop.sh | iex

Running the installer as administrator is disabled by default,
see https://github.com/ScoopInstaller/Install#for-admin for details.
PowerShell requires an execution policy in [Unrestricted, RemoteSigned, ByPass]
to run Scoop. For example, to set the execution policy to 'RemoteSigned'
please run 'Set-ExecutionPolicy RemoteSigned -Scope CurrentUser'.

Set-ExecutionPolicy RemoteSigned -Scope CurrentUser

Initializing...
Downloading ...
Extracting...
Creating shim...
Adding ~\scoop\shims to your path.
Scoop was installed successfully!
Type 'scoop help' for instructions.

scoop uninstall scoop

WARN This will uninstall Scoop and all the programs that have been installed with Scoop!
Are you sure? (yN): Y
Removing ~\scoop\shims from your path.
Scoop has been uninstalled.

*ucheck*
"Free,Scan,Install Updates,Uninstall Software,Personal Use Only:
<https://www.adlice.com/ucheck/>
<https://download.adlice.com/api?action=download&app=ucheck&type=setup> <https://cloud.adlice.com/owncloud/index.php/s/zhvgtK8oXyJ6Gru/download?path=5.0.3&files=UCheck_setup.exe>
Name: UCheck_setup.exe
Size: 31352920 bytes (29 MiB)
SHA256: A9A841480CC0850174FEF45F50C2B5D4B75DF97A2E0EF22B4EB25C65B86391AC

*updatehub*
"UpdateHub simplifies the process of updating software on your computer."
<https://ghacks.net/2023/07/24/update-all-windows-programs-with-updatehub/>
<https://www.neowin.net/software/updatehub---quickly-update-os-and-software-apps/>
<https://www.neowin.net/software/updatehub-210---simplified-pc-software-updates/>
<https://github.com/KK-Designs/UpdateHub/releases>
<https://github.com/KK-Designs/UpdateHub/releases/download/v2.2.3/UpdateHub-x64.exe>
Name: UpdateHub-x64.exe
Size: 69234472 bytes (66 MiB)
SHA256: 80A081B63FAC71E96930C24C342ED51A184E9BCA964633D7D898B07B82F90B92

*vulndetect*
"An alternative to the long lost Secunia PSI"
<https://www.zdnet.com/article/finding-a-software-updater-to-replace-secunias-psi/>
<https://vulndetect.org/>
<https://vulndetect.com/dl/secteerSetup.exe>
Name: secteerSetup.exe
Size: 2180544 bytes (2129 KiB)
SHA256: 2A7F91BA248637F26D3CC5976F4456D245427D50D05EB466541A4E3666211E19

*wingetui*
"A user interface for the most common CLI Win10/Win11 package managers."
<https://www.marticliment.com/wingetui/help/install/>
<https://sourceforge.net/projects/wingetui.mirror/>
<https://github.com/marticliment/WingetUI>
<https://github.com/marticliment/WingetUI/releases>
<https://github.com/marticliment/WingetUI/releases/download/2.1.1/WingetUI.Installer.exe>
Name: WingetUI.Installer.exe
Size: 63997848 bytes (61 MiB)
SHA256: 1EE9C17C2C8C1A16EC7F83DFF61CFCBA83A8F6164E0C6490D93042D76FFC73AA

In summary, I responded to your queries in a level of detail that assumes
you have the capacity to comprehend the answers to your questions.

Now I have a question for all of you Apple iPhone owners.

Why is the iPhone always caught with more zero-days & exploits than Android?

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On 2024-05-19 23:36, Andrew wrote:

Chris wrote on Wed, 15 May 2024 17:12:35 -0000 (UTC) :

<https://www.androidheadlines.com/2022/01/google-monthly-changelog-play-system-updates.html>
"Google System updates, meanwhile, are fully automated. Originally
referred to as Project Mainline, these updates fix bugs discovered
in various OS components like device connectivity, location services, >>> media services, Emergency alerts, and others."

But does it patch every exploit in android which is what you claim Apple
does do? Having lots of updates on *some* things is pointless.

Chris,
What you do not understand is every operating system (even Apple nowadays, after iOS 16's introduction of RSRs) isn't patched as a single monolith.

The iPhone, up until iOS 16, was patched as a monolith.
Even now it's still "almost" completely a monolith.

False.

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On 2024-05-20, Andrew <andrew@spam.net> wrote:

Jolly Roger wrote on 15 May 2024 14:58:37 GMT :

not all known security issues are addressed in previous versions
(for example, macOS 13, iOS 16, and so on).

I also know you both desperately want us to ignore reality: 67% of
devices run iOS 17, 19% run iOS 16, 8% run iOS 15 = *94%* of
devices are running the three most recent versions of iOS. Apple is
regularly patching iOS 17 through iOS 15.

I know you say that, but the article from Apple says something else.
Not all known security issues are addressed in previous versions

That doesn't conflict with what I said. Some security vulnerabilities
exist in newer versions of software rather than older versions of
software. It is a fact that Apple is patching bugs in iOS 15 and iOS
16 today along with iOS 17. It's also a fact that 94% of devices run
iOS 17. It's also a fact that Apple provides major upgrades and minor
updates to older iPhone models for a longer period of time than their
competitors.

religious zealots

Ad hominem projection.

--
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JR

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Jolly Roger wrote on 20 May 2024 15:27:31 GMT :

religious zealots

Ad hominem projection.

Chris asked for the facts, and I gave him the same facts I've provided him
and you and all the Apple religious zealots for years on end, Jolly Roger.

FACT:
*Apple only fully supports a single release. Period.*

FACT:
*Apple always has far more exploits than does Android. Period.*

FACT:
*Apple only recently (in iOS 16) started the RSR patch mechanism.*

FACT:
*Google & Craig Federighi both said Apple QA is lacking in coverage.*

QUESTION:
Why do you think iPhones have more 0-days & exploits than Android?
--
Hint: You ignorant uneducated Apple religious zealots will deny every fact above but the fact is the cites were provided extremely many times to you.

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badgolferman wrote on Mon, 20 May 2024 17:23:26 -0000 (UTC) :

Even if anyone in this group accepted all these, there would be very
little chance they would stop using Apple products. What do you hope
to accomplish by providing all this information?

I simply expect them to act like adults (instead of like children).
Is that too much to ask of them?

Note that the posters on the adult operating systems newsgroups can act
like adults when facts of the mothership are stated. Why not Apple too?

And to answer this simple question that they never asked themselves:
Q: *Why do you think iPhones have more 0-days & exploits than Android?*

As for the facts, they can't deny them - simply because they are facts.
Only fools deny facts (that's why they're fools, after all).

FACT:
*Apple only fully supports a single release.*
<https://screenrant.com/apple-product-security-update-lifespan/>
<https://support.apple.com/guide/deployment/about-software-updates-depc4c80847a/>
<https://hothardware.com/news/apple-admits-only-fully-patches-security-flaws-in-latest-os-releases>
<https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2022/10/apple-clarifies-security-update-policy-only-the-latest-oses-are-fully-patched/>

FACT:
*Apple always has far more exploits than does Android.*
<https://www.cisa.gov/known-exploited-vulnerabilities-catalog>

FACT:
*Apple only recently (in iOS 16) started the RSR patch mechanism.*
<https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT201224>

FACT:
*Google & Craig Federighi both said Apple QA is lacking in coverage.*
<https://googleprojectzero.blogspot.com/2019/08/a-very-deep-dive-into-ios-exploit.html>
"The root causes I highlight here are not novel and are often overlooked.
*We'll see cases of iOS code which seems to have never worked*,
*iOS code that likely skipped QA or likely had little testing*
*or no code review before the iOS release was shipped to users*."

See also:
<https://www.forbes.com/sites/markrogowsky/2016/02/15/what-apple-did-and-didnt-say-about-its-software-quality/>
<https://www.quiverquant.com/news/Apple%20Prioritizes%20Software%20Stability%20Over%20New%20Features%20in%20Strategic%20Shift>
<https://www.axios.com/2018/01/30/scoop-apple-delays-ios-features-to-focus-on-reliability-performance-1517278421>
etc.

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On 2024-05-20, Andrew <andrew@spam.net> wrote:

Jolly Roger wrote on 20 May 2024 15:27:31 GMT :

religious zealots

Ad hominem projection.

Apple religious zealots

More ad hominem projection.

--
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On 2024-05-20 17:23:26 +0000, badgolferman said:

Andrew wrote:

Jolly Roger wrote on 20 May 2024 15:27:31 GMT :

religious zealots

Ad hominem projection.

Chris asked for the facts, and I gave him the same facts I've
provided him and you and all the Apple religious zealots for years on
end, Jolly Roger.

FACT:
*Apple only fully supports a single release. Period.*

FACT:
*Apple always has far more exploits than does Android. Period.*

FACT:
*Apple only recently (in iOS 16) started the RSR patch mechanism.*

FACT:
*Google & Craig Federighi both said Apple QA is lacking in coverage.*

QUESTION:
Why do you think iPhones have more 0-days & exploits than Android?

Even if anyone in this group accepted all these, there would be very
little chance they would stop using Apple products. What do you hope
to accomplish by providing all this information?

It's not "information" ... it's more of the same old MISinformation and complete bollocks by an idiotic known-nothing anti-Apple troll. Just
killfile the idiot every time he changes his posting name.

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Your Name wrote:

On 2024-05-20 17:23:26 +0000, badgolferman said:

Andrew wrote:

Jolly Roger wrote on 20 May 2024 15:27:31 GMT :

religious zealots

Ad hominem projection.

Chris asked for the facts, and I gave him the same facts I've
provided him and you and all the Apple religious zealots for years on
end, Jolly Roger.

FACT:
*Apple only fully supports a single release. Period.*

FACT:
*Apple always has far more exploits than does Android. Period.*

FACT:
*Apple only recently (in iOS 16) started the RSR patch mechanism.*

FACT:
*Google & Craig Federighi both said Apple QA is lacking in coverage.*

QUESTION:
Why do you think iPhones have more 0-days & exploits than Android?

Even if anyone in this group accepted all these, there would be very
little chance they would stop using Apple products.� What do you hope
to accomplish by providing all this information?

It's not "information" ... it's more of the same old MISinformation and complete bollocks by an idiotic known-nothing anti-Apple troll. Just
killfile the idiot every time he changes his posting name.

He sure starts a lot of iQuarrels.

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On Mon, 20 May 2024 14:42:55 -0000 (UTC), Andrew wrote:

Yet again, I will answer assuming you own adult comprehensive skills.

Arlen continously makes posts that sound like an angsty teenager.

Arlen darlin, please stop nymshifting so you stay put in
my killfile. kthx.

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Jolly Roger wrote on 20 May 2024 22:35:22 GMT :

More ad hominem projection.

The fact is that Apple only fully supports a single OS version.

That's the worst operating system support in the industry, JR.

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