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Your Name wrote on Sat, 29 Jun 2024 16:11:51 +1200 :

On 2024-06-29 01:29:59 +0000, <bp@www.zefox.net> said:

For some time the iPhone6 I carry for emergencies has asked
for my apple ID. I always touch "not now" and go about my
business. So far, there hasn't been any repercussion and
the phone works when I need it.

Why is the phone asking, and will something bad happen, like the
phone not working, if I keep hitting "not now"?

Thanks for reading,

bob prohaska

Shouldn't be any problem, but there are many reasons why it might be
asking for it, so you may want to look into why it keeps asking. Apple
ID is required for things like iCloud features, updating of apps of
iOS, recent changes to your Touch ID or Face ID, etc., etc.

When you buy an Apple product - you buy into the dumb-terminal ecosystem.

Worse, you buy into Apple storing huge amounts of your metadata on the net!
*I asked Apple for all my data. Here's what was sent back*
<https://www.zdnet.com/article/apple-data-collection-stored-request/>

These files "contain metadata, like when and who I messaged or called on FaceTime" which is a privacy flaw inherent in the dumb-terminal model.

For example, Apple unilaterally inserts, into every IPA you install, a
*unique* code specific only to you so that Apple can track app activity.

For example, Apple keeps a copy of every app and song you have ever
downloaded and every tune you've ever added to your iTunes music library.

Most users are completely unaware there is no common consumer operating
system other than Apple's which require you to constantly log into their mothership servers for the basic functionality you know & love about iOS.

And Apple never advertises the huge amount of data it stores about you. í° *Apple took 8 days to give me the data it had collected on me. It was eye opening*
í° <https://www.usatoday.com/story/tech/talkingtech/2018/05/04/asked-apple-everything-had-me-heres-what-got/558362002/>

Apple uses some of this immense data to"sell targeted ads based on our interests in the News and App Store apps" (see that in the references cited since most of the Apple religious zealots hate all truths about Apple).

1. The walled garden does not work if you don't log into Apple servers.
2. There are *many* Apple servers you need to log into for it to work.
3. There's the iCloud & the Apple AppStore, Messages, Facetime, etc.

On two separate iPads, I have refused to log into those accounts, and what happens, naturally, is you are eventually unable to use the walled garden.
<https://i.postimg.cc/LXzB3Lc0/appleid01.jpg> Apple _forces_ a log in!
<https://i.postimg.cc/ZR5mZ287/appleid07.jpg> Apple fails App Store test
<https://i.postimg.cc/TwN6P0QR/appleid08.jpg> Only Apple requires a login
<https://i.postimg.cc/8k3GQyj4/appleid09.jpg> Apple tracks your activity
<https://i.postimg.cc/hhFNJ5mq/appleid010.jpg> Apps become non functional
<https://i.postimg.cc/nrFHSvby/appleid11.jpg> Apple _forces_ extra logins!
<https://i.postimg.cc/Y9kkj19v/appleid12.jpg> Apple tracking server login

But you can use "some" of the features of the walled garden; just not all.
<https://i.postimg.cc/9XtgRz0y/mothership01.jpg> Apple forces verification
<https://i.postimg.cc/q73jkvWh/mothership02.jpg> into mothership trackers
<https://i.postimg.cc/7hmNBGJc/mothership03.jpg> Safari & Chrome work fine
<https://i.postimg.cc/GhmK4QZ1/mothership04.jpg> So does Youtube work fine
<https://i.postimg.cc/vBv7BghB/mothership05.jpg> No problem with web pages
<https://i.postimg.cc/xjtyVmqp/mothership06.jpg> The walled garden fails
<https://i.postimg.cc/ht79m3sN/mothership07.jpg> iMessage garden fails
<https://i.postimg.cc/5tBL7YZ3/mothership08.jpg> FaceTime garden fails
<https://i.postimg.cc/Y09FCXjn/mothership09.jpg> App Store finds 1Blocker
<https://i.postimg.cc/tC869Nbk/mothership10.jpg> App Store installs apps
<https://i.postimg.cc/FKVkgtLC/mothership11.jpg> But it won't do iCloud

Which means, Apple designed iOS as a "dumb terminal" which gets much of its beloved functionality only by logging into Apple's mainframe servers for
most of the beloved walled-garden functionality - without which - the iOS device reverts to a dumb terminal that can't do what you love about iOS.

Paradoxically, while all the beloved walled-garden functionality eventually disappears after about two years (tested on two different iPads) of
refusing to log into the walled-garden Apple servers, the one functionality that remained was the capability of updating your operating system version.
<https://i.postimg.cc/hvhgB91S/update01.jpg> iPadOS 16.3.1 is available
<https://i.postimg.cc/Qtfsw654/update02.jpg> 16.3.1 Update Requested
<https://i.postimg.cc/vmLGL8md/update03.jpg> About 10 minutes remaining
<https://i.postimg.cc/d11gkJk6/update04.jpg> Preparing Update
<https://i.postimg.cc/rw1B7n21/update05.jpg> Downloaded
<https://i.postimg.cc/yN7MKm7w/update06.jpg> Finish Setting Up iPad
<https://i.postimg.cc/13DSsRwN/update07.jpg> More for your iPad
<https://i.postimg.cc/Xv80B22j/update08.jpg> Update Apple ID Settings
<https://i.postimg.cc/TYLGNJP0/update09.jpg> iPadOS Version 16.3.1
<https://i.postimg.cc/L509Yy8Y/update10.jpg> Sign in to iCloud
<https://i.postimg.cc/zvfDfm8Y/update11.jpg> Finished Setting up iPad
<https://i.postimg.cc/Z5Nbnxtn/update12.jpg> Verifying update...

In summary, of all common consumer operating systems (including Windows
11), only the Apple operating systems are designed essentially as dumb terminals which don't do what you love about them without logging into the mainframe servers, of which you are logged into them 24/7/365 while
enjoying Apple products.

Clearly Apple never advertises that most of the genius of the walled garden
is simply that the user is making use of these Internet services, all of
which are tracked in detail and every one of which contains privacy
metadata which can be detrimental to your privacy & which is saved by
Apple.

When you buy an Apple product - you buy into the dumb-terminal ecosystem.

Here's a snippet of the information Apple maintains due to the inherently flawed nature (from a privacy standpoint) of the dumb-terminal iOS model.

AccountDetails.xlsx contains basic information about the account holder, including name, address, phone number, and Apple ID information. It also includes when an account was created and IP address of the Apple server
used to open the account.

iCloudLogs.xlsx keeps a note on every time one of your devices downloads
data from iCloud, including your photo library, contacts, and Safari
browsing history -- but doesn't contain the actual data.

MailLogs.xlsx also keeps a record of each time something from your Apple
device interacts with your iCloud email account, but no email content is
stored here.

Two more files relate to Apple's flagship end-to-end encrypted messaging
apps, FaceTime and iMessage. Because even Apple can't access the content of encrypted video calls and text messages, Apple can't turn over the data,
but it can provide information on all the calls and messages that are
routed through its servers.

In both the FaceTime and IDS (iMessage) logs, notes read that the logs only indicate if there was an attempt to place a FaceTime call or to send an iMessage, because both requests are sent through Apple's servers. But
neither log whether the call was made or message was sent, let alone if it
was successful.

In a separate folder, another batch of Excel documents contained
information mostly pertaining to with my interactions with Apple, like downloads and support requests.

AOS Orders contains an entire history of devices and accessories I've
bought from Apple dating back to my first purchase. It also includes the
five separate occasions I bought new earphones roughly once per year
because my cat had chewed through them.

CRM Installed Product is a list of every Apple device ever bought,
including highly detailed information -- like serial numbers, a note on if
a device is unlocked, unique networking MAC addresses for Bluetooth,
Ethernet and Wi-Fi connections, and any other identifying information on a device.

Read also: What would Steve Jobs think of today's Apple?

CRM AppleCare Case Contact contains basic contact information on the
account holder, such as name, address, and phone number -- and if the user
opts into marketing emails and phone calls.

CRM AppleCare Case Header included every interaction I've had with customer support. Every time you call, a company representatives make notes about
the customer's problem, and also describes the next steps or the outcome of
the call.

CRM Warranty includes all the information on a device owner's warranty,
what AppleCare coverage they have -- if any, and when warranties expire.

DS Signons is a long list of every time you logged in to iTunes and from
which specific device, and contains peripheral information like if the
login failed.

Game Center predictably contains information on all the gaming sessions a
user has played or interacted with -- which in my case, as you'd expect, is limited to almost zero.

iForgot keeps a log of every time you visited your Apple ID page on the
web, or reset your password.

iTunes Match Uploads retains a record of every song you've ever uploaded to iTunes Match service, which matches your music with higher quality and downloads that copy instead. The list also includes your user agent information, which can identify your device.

iTunes Match Downloads similarly keeps a list of all matched music that's
later downloaded from iTunes Match.

iTunes Downloads contains a user's entire download history since the
account's creation -- from apps, songs, albums, videos, and movies -- from
the iTunes Store. It also includes information on which device the item was downloaded and its IP address.

Repair Transaction Details recounts every time you put in a repair request
with Apple, and includes information on what the issue is, any notes made
by Apple staff, and any information that identifies the device, such as a phone's IMEI number.

Marketing Contact includes the information that Apple uses to contact you
for marketing reasons, and the reason why -- such as if the user has a developer account.

In summary, the advantage of Apple's dumb-terminal design of iOS is most of
the magic you love about the walled garden is handled by Internet servers (which is why all that is reproduced in Android, only with the addition of
all platform compatibility - not just Apple platforms - if you're willing
to log into an Internet server to perform those walled-garden tasks).

The disadvantage of every app you use being tracked by Apple and every
action being tracked by your Internet login into the mainframe servers,
is Apple tracks a hellova lot of meta data about you that impacts privacy.

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On 2024-06-28 21:44, Andrew wrote:

Your Name wrote on Sat, 29 Jun 2024 16:11:51 +1200 :

On 2024-06-29 01:29:59 +0000, <bp@www.zefox.net> said:

For some time the iPhone6 I carry for emergencies has asked
for my apple ID. I always touch "not now" and go about my
business. So far, there hasn't been any repercussion and
the phone works when I need it.

Why is the phone asking, and will something bad happen, like the
phone not working, if I keep hitting "not now"?

Thanks for reading,

bob prohaska

Shouldn't be any problem, but there are many reasons why it might be
asking for it, so you may want to look into why it keeps asking. Apple
ID is required for things like iCloud features, updating of apps of
iOS, recent changes to your Touch ID or Face ID, etc., etc.

When you buy an Apple product - you buy into the dumb-terminal ecosystem.

Why must you lie, Arlen?

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Your Name wrote on Sun, 30 Jun 2024 10:43:04 +1200 :

An iPhone that was never set up completely always asks for the iCloud
credentials first when turned on and does it again and again.

In my case none of those features are useful since my phone plan
does not include data. To me it's just a phone, for calls in a
pinch. It appears that I can ignore the demands for a password.

Thanks for reading,

bob prohaska

If it is iCloud features that keeps asking for the Apple ID and you do
not want to use them, then you're probably best to turn iCloud off to
stop it asking. Exactly how to do that may depend on the version of iOS you're using, but try: <https://www.wikihow.com/Disable-iCloud>

The problem I've found by not constantly logging into the iCloud (but being logged into it once and having never logged out of it), is you can install apps, but you can't delete them and then re-install those very same apps!

Most of the ignorant Apple religious zealots are unfamiliar with all these gotchas, simply because they're all too timid to test them out as I do.

As noted, I refused for two years on two different iPads to sign into any
of the Apple servers and what Apple does, eventually, is unilaterally brick
the device such that you can no longer log in even when you KNOW the
password. (Yes, I know the iKooks say otherwise but they never tested it.)
<https://i.postimg.cc/FHKHm9kD/locked01.jpg> Apple requires frequent login
<https://i.postimg.cc/WzjsyjPm/locked02.jpg> Most things still work
<https://i.postimg.cc/MGC6yVPF/locked03.jpg> But some stop working
<https://i.postimg.cc/jdxsQsct/locked04.jpg> Apple will brick the login

Note: I have never changed the login/password since I bought these Apple devices so the iKooks claiming I don't know it are simply making that up.

Why does Apple brick your AppleID if you refuse to log into it every day?

I suspect Apple bricks your login because they want you to agree to any
changed terms and conditions - but I leave it up to Apple to explain why.
<https://i.postimg.cc/9fPjQpr3/nag01.jpg> 3 iOS 16.7.3 nag items
<https://i.postimg.cc/wxwgN0Fg/nag02.jpg> 2 iOS 16.7.3 nag items
<https://i.postimg.cc/3NVqB4dC/nag03.jpg> 1 Update Apple ID settings

All I know is that if you refuse to log into the various Apple mainframe servers, then you will be nagged five, ten, twenty times a day to log in.

Of course, you can easily swipe away that login, but eventually, in my experience after about two years, Apple will brick the login - such that
you literally have to prove to Apple who you are with a government ID in
person in order for them to allow you to log back in USING THE SAME login
and password! (Ask me how I know this.)

Bear in mind that I'm well aware most Apple users are completely clueless
that they're constantly logging into the Apple mainframe servers every
moment of their lives, 24/7/365 - but to answer the OP's question, Apple
will eventually brick the login if you continue to refuse to log into it.

To answer the OP's question, the entire walled garden is nothing more than
the dumb-terminal connected to the intelligent server mainframe model.

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On 2024-06-29 15:58, Andrew wrote:

Your Name wrote on Sun, 30 Jun 2024 10:43:04 +1200 :

An iPhone that was never set up completely always asks for the iCloud
credentials first when turned on and does it again and again.

In my case none of those features are useful since my phone plan
does not include data. To me it's just a phone, for calls in a
pinch. It appears that I can ignore the demands for a password.

Thanks for reading,

bob prohaska

If it is iCloud features that keeps asking for the Apple ID and you do
not want to use them, then you're probably best to turn iCloud off to
stop it asking. Exactly how to do that may depend on the version of iOS
you're using, but try: <https://www.wikihow.com/Disable-iCloud>

The problem I've found by not constantly logging into the iCloud (but being logged into it once and having never logged out of it), is you can install apps, but you can't delete them and then re-install those very same apps!

False.

Most of the ignorant Apple religious zealots are unfamiliar with all these gotchas, simply because they're all too timid to test them out as I do.

As noted, I refused for two years on two different iPads to sign into any
of the Apple servers and what Apple does, eventually, is unilaterally brick the device such that you can no longer log in even when you KNOW the password. (Yes, I know the iKooks say otherwise but they never tested it.)
<https://i.postimg.cc/FHKHm9kD/locked01.jpg> Apple requires frequent login

Completely unsupported by the image.

<https://i.postimg.cc/WzjsyjPm/locked02.jpg> Most things still work

Indeed

<https://i.postimg.cc/MGC6yVPF/locked03.jpg> But some stop working

Those are all cloud services you don't need.

WhatsApp doesn't work if you don't log in; just the same as Facetime or iMessage.

Google Drive doesn't work if you don't log in; just like iCloud Drive.

<https://i.postimg.cc/jdxsQsct/locked04.jpg> Apple will brick the login

Completely unsupported by the image AND also, to my personal knowledge, completely false.

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On 2024-06-29 01:36, Alan wrote:

Why must you lie, Arlen?

It breathes too. Can't help it.

--
"It would be a measureless disaster if Russian barbarism overlaid
the culture and independence of the ancient States of Europe."
Winston Churchill

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Alan Browne wrote on Sun, 30 Jun 2024 12:42:27 -0400 :

Can't help it.

What's interesting is how much Apple religious fundamentalists *hate* the
fact that the iPhone is designed as nothing more than an extremely dumb terminal - devoid of even the most basic functionality all by itself.

The entire walled garden is like a matrix - where the ignorant Apple owner
has no comprehension that everything they do is being done on the mainframe (and not on the device they are holding in their hands).

The matrix is in Cupertino servers - where they laugh at you every day.

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On Jun 30, 2024 at 12:42:27 PM EDT, "Alan Browne" <singularity@blackhole.org> wrote:

On 2024-06-29 01:36, Alan wrote:

Why must you lie, Arlen?

It breathes too. Can't help it.

And the usual suspects ALWAYS reply to him. Can't help it.

Dance, puppets. Dance.

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On 2024-06-30 10:19, Andrew wrote:

Alan Browne wrote on Sun, 30 Jun 2024 12:42:27 -0400 :

Can't help it.

What's interesting is how much Apple religious fundamentalists *hate* the fact that the iPhone is designed as nothing more than an extremely dumb terminal - devoid of even the most basic functionality all by itself.

What's sad for you as a human is that you think lying is acceptable.

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Tyrone wrote on Sun, 30 Jun 2024 17:26:11 +0000 :

Can't help it.

Most of the ignorant MAGA (Make Apple Great Again) religious fundamentalist zealots simply log into every server Apple wants them to log into.

The OP is asking an intelligent question about what happens if he doesn't constantly log into Apple's matrix servers every moment of his life.

Given the iPhone is designed as a dumb terminal almost completely devoid of
any functionality without logging into Apple's mainframe matrix servers,
it's a valid question the OP asked of why iOS is constantly asking (five,
ten, fifteen, twenty times a day!) for him to log into Apple's servers.

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On 2024-06-30 13:26, Tyrone wrote:

On Jun 30, 2024 at 12:42:27 PM EDT, "Alan Browne" <singularity@blackhole.org>
wrote:

On 2024-06-29 01:36, Alan wrote:

Why must you lie, Arlen?

It breathes too. Can't help it.

And the usual suspects ALWAYS reply to him. Can't help it.

Dance, puppets. Dance.

Been trying to get them off of the dance floor for a long time.
(Though I've been guilty of the occasional reply myself).

--
"It would be a measureless disaster if Russian barbarism overlaid
the culture and independence of the ancient States of Europe."
Winston Churchill

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On 2024-06-30, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:

On 2024-06-30 10:19, Andrew wrote:

Alan Browne wrote on Sun, 30 Jun 2024 12:42:27 -0400 :

Can't help it.

What's interesting is how much Apple religious fundamentalists *hate*
the fact that the iPhone is designed as nothing more than an
extremely dumb terminal - devoid of even the most basic functionality
all by itself.

What's sad for you as a human is that you think lying is acceptable.

It's really sad that that character trait is prevalent today in so many
people.

--
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I often ignore posts from Google. Use a real news client instead.

JR

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Jolly Roger wrote on 30 Jun 2024 23:38:49 GMT :

It's really sad that that character trait is prevalent today in so many people.

Says Jolly Roger who lied for years claiming that Apple fully supported
more than a single release when even Apple wouldn't spew that brazen lie.

<https://screenrant.com/apple-product-security-update-lifespan/>
<https://hothardware.com/news/apple-admits-only-fully-patches-security-flaws-in-latest-os-releases>
<https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2022/10/apple-clarifies-security-update-policy-only-the-latest-oses-are-fully-patched/>

Back to the topic at hand, the fact is Apple products don't work in the
real world if you simply don't log into Apple mainframe servers daily.

1. You can't do the simplest things without logging into Apple's mainframe
2. You can't install apps
3. You can't use the messenger app the way you're used to using it
4. You can't use the facetime app
5. You can't use activation Lock
6. You can't do seamless Apple Music or Apple TV+ streaming across devices
7. You can't use homeKit-compatible devices
8. You can't back up your installed IPAs
9. You can't even update the operating system
etc.

There is only one other common consumer operating system set up as a
similar dumb terminal lacking even the most basic functionality, and that's ChromeOS (which might even be worse than iOS given how limited it too is).

ChromeOS === iOS (same dumb terminal concept)

Both ChromeOS & iOS have no innate functionality without constantly logging into the Apple mainframe matrix servers for most of its basic capabilities.

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On 2024-06-30 18:12, Andrew wrote:

Jolly Roger wrote on 30 Jun 2024 23:38:49 GMT :

It's really sad that that character trait is prevalent today in so many
people.

Says Jolly Roger who lied for years claiming that Apple fully supported
more than a single release when even Apple wouldn't spew that brazen lie.

"Sponsored", Arlen?

<https://screenrant.com/apple-product-security-update-lifespan/>
<https://hothardware.com/news/apple-admits-only-fully-patches-security-flaws-in-latest-os-releases>
<https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2022/10/apple-clarifies-security-update-policy-only-the-latest-oses-are-fully-patched/>

Back to the topic at hand, the fact is Apple products don't work in the
real world if you simply don't log into Apple mainframe servers daily.

1. You can't do the simplest things without logging into Apple's mainframe

False.

2. You can't install apps

Sort of true.

3. You can't use the messenger app the way you're used to using it

Depends on the app.

4. You can't use the facetime app

True, but there is no requirement to use that app.

5. You can't use activation Lock

????

6. You can't do seamless Apple Music or Apple TV+ streaming across devices

How would you do that without a consistent ID?

7. You can't use homeKit-compatible devices

Cite, please!

8. You can't back up your installed IPAs

False.

9. You can't even update the operating system

False.

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On 2024-07-01, Andrew <andrew@spam.net> wrote:

Jolly Roger wrote on 30 Jun 2024 23:38:49 GMT :

It's really sad that that character trait is prevalent today in so
many people.

Says Jolly Roger who lied for years claiming that Apple fully
supported more than a single release when even Apple wouldn't spew
that brazen lie.

I've never said that. Like Trump and Republican politicians, Andrew just
spews outright lies, but he can't show a single post from me saying what
he claims. And like Trump and Republican politicians, Andrew's trolls
are as weak as his intellect.

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On Jun 30, 2024 at 4:38:49 PM PDT, "Jolly Roger" <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:

On 2024-06-30, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:

On 2024-06-30 10:19, Andrew wrote:

Alan Browne wrote on Sun, 30 Jun 2024 12:42:27 -0400 :

Can't help it.

What's interesting is how much Apple religious fundamentalists *hate*
the fact that the iPhone is designed as nothing more than an
extremely dumb terminal - devoid of even the most basic functionality
all by itself.

What's sad for you as a human is that you think lying is acceptable.

It's really sad that that character trait is prevalent today in so many people.

The unending presence of political "news" in our daily lives has made
mendacity almost fashionable.

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Jolly Roger wrote on 1 Jul 2024 03:09:02 GMT :

Says Jolly Roger who lied for years claiming that Apple fully
supported more than a single release when even Apple wouldn't spew
that brazen lie.

I've never said that.

It's not surprising that you lie about your brazen lies, Jolly Roger.

Remember, I've studied you strange Apple religious zealots & what pops up consistently is you *hate* that Apple isn't what Apple advertises it is.

The fact is Apple has the worst operating system bugfix support of all
common consumer operating systems - and even Apple says this is the case.
<https://support.apple.com/guide/deployment/about-software-updates-depc4c80847a/>

Apple's hotfix support is not only the worst in the industry, but Apple's
iOS monolith didn't even have the concept of a "hotfix" until recently.
<https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT201224>

What you dislike about me, Jolly Roger, is you have no defense to facts.

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On 2024-07-01, Andrew <andrew@spam.net> wrote:

Jolly Roger wrote on 1 Jul 2024 03:09:02 GMT :

Says Jolly Roger who lied for years claiming that Apple fully
supported more than a single release when even Apple wouldn't spew
that brazen lie.

I've never said that.

It's not surprising that you lie

Notice how little Andrew can't provide a cite of me saying what he
claims. Instead, like a child, he just doubles down on his lame lie.
Lies and weak zealot trolls are all Andrew has to offer this news group.

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Jolly Roger wrote on 1 Jul 2024 13:56:47 GMT :

Notice how little Andrew can't provide a cite of me saying what he
claims. Instead, like a child, he just doubles down on his lame lie.
Lies and weak zealot trolls are all Andrew has to offer this news group.

Heh heh heh... you lied for years, Jolly Roger... and you still lie.

Want proof?
Simply answer this direct question with a YES or NO please.

Q: Does Apple fix all known bugs in only the latest iOS/macOS release?
A: (YES or NO)

HINT: There's a reason the iPhone is the most exploited phone in history.
<https://www.cisa.gov/known-exploited-vulnerabilities-catalog>

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On 2024-07-01, Andrew <andrew@spam.net> wrote:

Jolly Roger wrote on 1 Jul 2024 13:56:47 GMT :

Notice how little Andrew can't provide a cite of me saying what he
claims. Instead, like a child, he just doubles down on his lame lie.
Lies and weak zealot trolls are all Andrew has to offer this news group.

Heh heh heh...

Still no cite. Your trolls are weak, little boy.

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Andrew wrote on Mon, 1 Jul 2024 22:37:35 -0000 (UTC) :

Q: Does Apple fix all known bugs in only the latest iOS/macOS release?
A: No.
Unlike every other common consumer operating system which fully
supports more than one release, Apple has never fully supported
more than a single release. That's how bad Apple support truly is.

Oops. YES. Apple was forced to publish recently that Apple has never
provided the full hotfix support that all other common consumer operating systems provide - in that Apple only fully supports 1 & only 1 release.

<https://screenrant.com/apple-product-security-update-lifespan/>
<https://hothardware.com/news/apple-admits-only-fully-patches-security-flaws-in-latest-os-releases>
<https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2022/10/apple-clarifies-security-update-policy-only-the-latest-oses-are-fully-patched/>

What's no longer shocking isn't that Apple has the absolute worst operating system bugfix support in the industry - but that the strange Apple
religious fundamentalist zealots are completely ignorant of this fact.

Worse than having the worst promised hotfix support in the industry, Apple
also has the shortest when compared to major OEMs like Google & Samsung.
<https://www.androidauthority.com/iphone-software-support-commitment-3449135/>

There's a reason the iPhone is the most exploited phone in history.
<https://www.cisa.gov/known-exploited-vulnerabilities-catalog>

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Jolly Roger wrote on 1 Jul 2024 16:28:14 GMT :

Notice how little Andrew can't provide a cite of me saying what he
claims. Instead, like a child, he just doubles down on his lame lie.
Lies and weak zealot trolls are all Andrew has to offer this news group.

Heh heh heh...

Still no cite. Your trolls are weak, little boy.

Heh heh heh... You don't even know the answer to that question, JR.
That's how little you strange religious zealots know about Apple products.

Q: Does Apple fix all known bugs in only the latest iOS/macOS release?
A: No.
Unlike every other common consumer operating system which fully
supports more than one release, Apple has never fully supported
more than a single release. That's how bad Apple support truly is.

Worse, you don't even remember your own lies, Jolly Roger, where you claim
that the mere fact Apple fixed *one* bug in an older release, means, (to
people like you) that Apple fixed *all* the known bugs in that release.

Always remember how much you *hate* that Apple never is what you wish Apple was, where, to compensate for Apple not being what you wish Apple was,
you lied for years that Apple fixed all known bugs in older releases.

If you insist, I'll pull up *many* cites where you lied that way, JR.
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On 2024-07-01, Andrew <andrew@spam.net> wrote:

Jolly Roger wrote on 1 Jul 2024 16:28:14 GMT :

Notice how little Andrew can't provide a cite of me saying what he
claims. Instead, like a child, he just doubles down on his lame lie.
Lies and weak zealot trolls are all Andrew has to offer this news group. >>>

Heh heh heh...

Still no cite. Your trolls are weak, little boy.

Heh heh heh...

Still no cite. You lose.

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On 2024-07-01 19:28, Andrew wrote:

Jolly Roger wrote on 1 Jul 2024 23:08:59 GMT :

Still no cite. Your trolls are weak, little boy.

Heh heh heh...

Still no cite. You lose.

It's no longer shocking...

...that when you're challenged to provide a cite, you have nothing?

No: that's no longer shocking at all!

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Jolly Roger wrote on 1 Jul 2024 23:08:59 GMT :

Still no cite. Your trolls are weak, little boy.

Heh heh heh...

Still no cite. You lose.

It's no longer shocking you're ashamed of your own words.

In the time IOS updates once - Android updates a thousand times <https://groups.google.com/g/misc.phone.mobile.iphone/c/>

You claim because Apple fixed one bug in an older release, that they fixed
them all (which is patently absurd - but it's how you zealots think).

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Andrew wrote on Tue, 2 Jul 2024 02:28:13 -0000 (UTC) :

Heh heh heh...

Still no cite. You lose.

It's no longer shocking you're ashamed of your own words.

In the time IOS updates once - Android updates a thousand times <https://groups.google.com/g/misc.phone.mobile.iphone/c/>

You claim because Apple fixed one bug in an older release, that they fixed them all (which is patently absurd - but it's how you zealots think).

The URL got truncated, but it's just one of extremely many instances where Jolly Roger claimed that simply because Apple fixed one bug in an older release, that EVERY bug that Apple knew about in those releases was fixed.

In the time IOS updates once - Android updates a thousand times
<https://groups.google.com/g/misc.phone.mobile.iphone/c/tyM38E9o9vE/>

The fact is these strange Apple religious zealots lied about it for years!
More evidence low-IQ iKooks don't understand how a MODERN OS is updated
<https://groups.google.com/g/misc.phone.mobile.iphone/c/Vp9fPsDbJ1g/>

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On 2024-07-02, Andrew <andrew@spam.net> wrote:

Andrew wrote on Tue, 2 Jul 2024 02:28:13 -0000 (UTC) :

Jolly Roger claimed that simply because Apple fixed one bug in an
older release, that EVERY bug that Apple knew about in those releases
was fixed.

I did not in fact make that claim. And little Andrew can't provide a
cite of me saying it either, as usual. His lies are weak.

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On 2024-07-02, Andrew <andrew@spam.net> wrote:

Jolly Roger wrote on 1 Jul 2024 23:08:59 GMT :

Still no cite. Your trolls are weak, little boy.

Heh heh heh...

Still no cite. You lose.

It's no longer shocking you're ashamed of your own words.

It's no longer shocking you can't prove your lies.

You claim because Apple fixed one bug in an older release, that they
fixed them all

I never said that. Yet another lie you can't back up.

Your trolls are as weak as your intellect, little Andrew.

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Jolly Roger wrote on 2 Jul 2024 15:30:39 GMT :

You claim because Apple fixed one bug in an older release, that they
fixed them all

I never said that. Yet another lie you can't back up.

And yet, you did.
Many times, in fact.

You claimed that just because Apple fixed a single bug in an older release, that *all* the bugs Apple knew about in those older releases, was fixed.

And it's not just you who is that incredibly ignorant of Apple updates.
Most of the uneducated Apple religious fundamentalists have said this.

The cites clearly show you have lied about Apple support for years.
And it's hot just Jolly Roger who lied about Apple support for years.

Look here where Chris brazenly lies to badgolferman's face about it: <https://www.novabbs.com/computers/article-flat.php?id=13727&group=misc.phone.mobile.iphone#13727>
<https://www.novabbs.com/computers/article-flat.php?id=13728&group=misc.phone.mobile.iphone#13728>
<https://www.novabbs.com/computers/article-flat.php?id=13729&group=misc.phone.mobile.iphone#13729>

And then, you, Jolly Roger, again brazenly lie to badgolgerman in support
of Chris' brazen lies about Apple support for older releases. <https://www.novabbs.com/computers/article-flat.php?id=13731&group=misc.phone.mobile.iphone#13731>

Since all you iKooks are dead wrong about Apple support, only two
conclusions are possible (both of which could be simultaneous). <https://www.novabbs.com/computers/article-flat.php?id=13706&group=misc.phone.mobile.iphone#>

a. Either you're incredibly ignorant about how Apple updates iOS
(and yet, you're supremely confident in your total ignorance!)
b. Or, you are simply deceitful cold-hearted uncouth brazen liars

Pick one or both.

The fact remains, even Apple says they've never fully supported anything
more than a _single_ iOS release (or macOS) in their entire history. <https://support.apple.com/guide/deployment/about-software-updates-depc4c80847a/>

The only people saying Apple fully supports more than one release
are these strangely ignorant Apple fundamentalist religious zealots.
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Jolly Roger wrote on 2 Jul 2024 15:32:37 GMT :

Jolly Roger claimed that simply because Apple fixed one bug in an
older release, that EVERY bug that Apple knew about in those releases
was fixed.

I did not in fact make that claim.

And yet, you did.

You claimed that just because Apple fixed a single bug in an older release, that *all* the bugs Apple knew about in those older releases, was fixed.

The cites clearly show you've lied about Apple support for years.

And it's hot just Jolly Roger who lied about Apple support for years.

Look here where Chris brazenly lies to badgolferman's face about it:
<https://www.novabbs.com/computers/article-flat.php?id=13727&group=misc.phone.mobile.iphone#13727>
<https://www.novabbs.com/computers/article-flat.php?id=13728&group=misc.phone.mobile.iphone#13728>
<https://www.novabbs.com/computers/article-flat.php?id=13729&group=misc.phone.mobile.iphone#13729>

And then, you, Jolly Roger, again brazenly lie to badgolgerman in support of Chris' lies.
<https://www.novabbs.com/computers/article-flat.php?id=13731&group=misc.phone.mobile.iphone#13731>

Since all you iKooks are dead wrong about Apple support, only two conclusions are possible:
<https://www.novabbs.com/computers/article-flat.php?id=13706&group=misc.phone.mobile.iphone#>

a. Either you're incredibly ignorant about how Apple updates iOS
(and yet, you're supremely confident in your total ignorance!)
b. Or, you are simply deceitful cold-hearted uncouth brazen liars

Pick one.

The fact remains, even Apple says they've never fully supported anything more than a _single_ iOS release (or macOS for that matter) in their entire history.
<https://support.apple.com/guide/deployment/about-software-updates-depc4c80847a/>

The only people saying Apple does fully support more than one release
are these strangely ignorant Apple fundamentalist religious zealots.

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On 2024-07-02 10:43, Andrew wrote:

Jolly Roger wrote on 2 Jul 2024 15:30:39 GMT :

You claim because Apple fixed one bug in an older release, that they
fixed them all

I never said that. Yet another lie you can't back up.

And yet, you did.
Many times, in fact.

You claimed that just because Apple fixed a single bug in an older release, that *all* the bugs Apple knew about in those older releases, was fixed.

And it's not just you who is that incredibly ignorant of Apple updates.
Most of the uneducated Apple religious fundamentalists have said this.

The cites clearly show you have lied about Apple support for years.
And it's hot just Jolly Roger who lied about Apple support for years.

Look here where Chris brazenly lies to badgolferman's face about it: <https://www.novabbs.com/computers/article-flat.php?id=13727&group=misc.phone.mobile.iphone#13727>
<https://www.novabbs.com/computers/article-flat.php?id=13728&group=misc.phone.mobile.iphone#13728>
<https://www.novabbs.com/computers/article-flat.php?id=13729&group=misc.phone.mobile.iphone#13729>

And then, you, Jolly Roger, again brazenly lie to badgolgerman in support
of Chris' brazen lies about Apple support for older releases. <https://www.novabbs.com/computers/article-flat.php?id=13731&group=misc.phone.mobile.iphone#13731>

Since all you iKooks are dead wrong about Apple support, only two
conclusions are possible (both of which could be simultaneous). <https://www.novabbs.com/computers/article-flat.php?id=13706&group=misc.phone.mobile.iphone#>

a. Either you're incredibly ignorant about how Apple updates iOS
(and yet, you're supremely confident in your total ignorance!)
b. Or, you are simply deceitful cold-hearted uncouth brazen liars

Pick one or both.

The fact remains, even Apple says they've never fully supported anything
more than a _single_ iOS release (or macOS) in their entire history. <https://support.apple.com/guide/deployment/about-software-updates-depc4c80847a/>

The only people saying Apple fully supports more than one release
are these strangely ignorant Apple fundamentalist religious zealots.

What an incredible liar AND idiot you are:

Your quote from JR includes this:

'Naturally this means that if you are running an older version of an
operating system, some bugs may not be patched as quickly (or at all if
it's a really old version).'

That is precisely contradictory of what you claim he has stated.

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On 2024-07-02, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:

On 2024-07-02 10:43, Andrew wrote:

Jolly Roger wrote on 2 Jul 2024 15:30:39 GMT :

You claim because Apple fixed one bug in an older release, that
they fixed them all

I never said that. Yet another lie you can't back up.

And yet, you did.

[snip]

And then, you, Jolly Roger, again brazenly lie to badgolgerman in
support of Chris' brazen lies about Apple support for older releases.
<https://www.novabbs.com/computers/article-flat.php?id=13731&group=misc.phone.mobile.iphone#13731>

What an incredible liar AND idiot you are:

Your quote from JR includes this:

'Naturally this means that if you are running an older version of an operating system, some bugs may not be patched as quickly (or at all
if it's a really old version).'

That is precisely contradictory of what you claim he has stated.

Right? It's as if he thinks nobody will bother to fact check his brazen
lies. He must take his cues from Trump and his lying cohort of
Republicans. He probably looks up to them, because here he is using the
exact same playbook as them to hoodwink their gullible cult.

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and you will even come to believe it yourself." ~ Joseph Goebbels

JR

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On 2024-07-02, Andrew <andrew@spam.net> wrote:

Jolly Roger wrote on 2 Jul 2024 15:32:37 GMT :

Jolly Roger claimed that simply because Apple fixed one bug in an
older release, that EVERY bug that Apple knew about in those
releases was fixed.

I did not in fact make that claim.

And yet, you did.

Repeating a lie doesn't magically make it become true, little Andrew.

You claimed that just because Apple fixed a single bug in an older
release, that *all* the bugs Apple knew about in those older releases,
was fixed.

The cites clearly show you've lied about Apple support for years.

You haven't provided one. You're just full of failure, little boy!

And then, you, Jolly Roger, again brazenly lie to badgolgerman in
support of Chris' lies. <https://www.novabbs.com/computers/article-flat.php?id=13731&group=misc.phone.mobile.iphone#13731>

Not only does that cite *not* show what you claim, but none of it is a
lie. To make matters worse, it includes this statement from me:
"Naturally this means that if you are running an older version of an
operating system, some bugs may not be patched as quickly (or at all if
it's a really old version).", which is the *polar opposite* of what you
claimed I said! You're batting 1000, little Andrew! You're such a
desperate little prick head troll! 🤣

Are you done, or did you want to shove that stinky foot of yours even
further down your shit-filled throat?

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Jolly Roger wrote on 2 Jul 2024 21:34:20 GMT :

He must take his cues from Trump and his lying cohort of
Republicans

The fact you've never heard me say anything good about Trump and yet you
still are too stupid to realize that, indicates your low IQ, Jolly Roger.

However... to stay on topic, all you have to do is stop lying about Apple support being the best in the industry when it's clearly the worst, JR.

Just stop it.
Let Apple marketing do all that lying.

a. Google/Samsung have 7 years of promised support, while Apple has 5.
b. Google/Samsung promise up to 7 releases of full hotfix support;
while Apple has only one.
c. Google updates all Android 10+ phones monthly over the net; while
Apple only started hotfix patches in iOS 16 with the RSR concept.

There's a reason Apple products are the most exploited in history, JR.
<https://www.cisa.gov/known-exploited-vulnerabilities-catalog>

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Jolly Roger wrote on 2 Jul 2024 21:27:34 GMT :

(or at all if it's a really old version)

What you hate is that Apple has the worst hotfix support in the industry.

Notice you're still lying in that all it has to be is the previous version
from only yesterday (in this case, iOS 16, and in September, iOS 17) in
order to be summarily dropped from full hotfix support, Jolly Roger.

Simply answer this truthfully, Jolly Roger, unless you're afraid to:

Q: How many iOS/macOS releases does Apple *fully* support?
A: ?

Hint: The answer is "one"; not "it has to be very old".
All it has to be is not the latest single iOS/macOS release!

There's a reason Apple products are the most exploited in the world.
<https://www.cisa.gov/known-exploited-vulnerabilities-catalog>

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Chris wrote on Wed, 3 Jul 2024 07:23:05 -0000 (UTC) :

Please point explicitly to where I "brazenly" (lol!) lied.

Simply answer this basic question, Chris, with a yes or with a no.

Q: Does Apple publish that they only fully support a single release?
A: Yes or No

Hint: Because of all your prior lies, you won't answer that question.

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Chris wrote on Wed, 3 Jul 2024 07:30:11 -0000 (UTC) :

a. Google/Samsung have 7 years of promised support,

That's a new policy and no current phone is covered by it.

Bullshit. Google & Samsung have been five years published for a while.

Plus that includes *multiple* releases (whereas Apple only fully supports a single release - all other consumer operating systems fully support
multiple releases).

Plus Google has been updating *all Android phones* with Android 10 and
above over the Internet for the two dozen core operating system modules.

That has no known EOL date so as far as we know it goes on forever
(especially as every one of those modules is donated to the AOSP).

No matter how you look at it, Apple has the worst operating system support
in the industry - which you are desperate to try to deny - but you can't.

Only new models
going forward and I expect either a cull of cheaper models to the market or some exceptions to come in.

Samsung and Google make most of the Android phones out there, so their
policy is the one that matters the most to the Android community.

Apple has never had a published operating system support policy, and only recently, when forced to by the EU, did Apple publish that they'll only
promise five years and a single release of iOS support.

Again, the worst in the industry.

They have been forced to do this as their support of current and older
models has been woeful. Approx 2-3 years was what you could hope for. Even for flagship models.

Bullshit. Android has been fully supporting over two dozen core operating system modules since Android 10 - which is billions of Android phones.

The fact you know none of this and yet you dispute that Apple has the worst operating system support in the industry - shows how much of a religious fundamentalist zealot wacko you are - since no facts are employed when you formed your strongly held purely religious belief system about Apple
support.

There's a reason the iPhone is the most exploited smartphone in history.

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Chris wrote on Wed, 3 Jul 2024 11:23:09 -0000 (UTC) :

Simply answer this basic question,

You first. Answer my request above.

Heh... heh... heh... Now how did I know you would continue to brazenly lie
just to get out of answering that simple yes-or-no question, Chris.

You lie so much you are even denying your own words, Chris.
<https://www.novabbs.com/computers/article-flat.php?id=13727&group=misc.phone.mobile.iphone#13727>
Chris: "there have been 14 major versions. Probably the most 2-3
recent are supported"
Chris: "iOS 15, 16 and 17 have received several updates this year.
IOS 15 supports back to the iphone 6 which is nearly
nine years old."

Then badgolferman directly calls you out on your brazen lies, Chris.
<https://www.novabbs.com/computers/article-flat.php?id=13728&group=misc.phone.mobile.iphone#13728>
badgolferman: "Apple admits to only fully supporting the current
software version (17) with security updates.
How are you claiming 15,16, 17 are supported?"

To which you continue to brazenly lie to badgolferman's face, Chris.
<https://www.novabbs.com/computers/article-flat.php?id=13729&group=misc.phone.mobile.iphone#13729>
Chris: "You can see that two or three have been updated at the same
three times this year alone: 22nd Jan, 5th Mar, 22nd Mar.
Since the release of iOS 17, iOS 16 has received eight updates
and iOS 15 has received three."

To bolster your brazen lies to badgolferman, Jolly Roger also lies.
<https://www.novabbs.com/computers/article-flat.php?id=13731&group=misc.phone.mobile.iphone#13731>
Jolly Roger: "we're supposed to ignore reality: 67% of devices
run iOS 17, 19% run iOS 16, 8% run iOS 15 = 94% of devices
are running the three most recent versions of iOS.
As you have shown, Apple is patching iOS 17 through iOS 15."

But it doesn't matter to me that you fundamentalists deny your own lies.
You actually *hate* that I tell you the truth about Apple products.

Assuming you and Jolly Roger read the cites (which isn't even a certainty, given you still claim Apple fully supports more than one release at a
time), then you're either too low of an IQ to understand them - or you lie.

Pick one.

Trust me, I'm fully cognizant you Apple nutcases are embarrassed by your
own words, Chris - as I'm well aware you deny even what Apple wsa forced to admit because, in truth, you *hate* that Apple is never what you thought it was.

Partly this isn't your fault as Apple marketing has been brilliant in
feeding ignorant gullible herd animals that they have the "best" support.

Which, is funny, really: as Apple has the worst support in the industry:
a. 1 release has full hot-fix support (everyone else is multiple releases)
b. Only 5 years (whereas both Samsung & Google are 7 years full support)
c. No hotfix capability until iOS 16 (no other OS is as primitive as iOS)
etc.

Anyway, I've proven time and again you religious fundamentalists don't even understand how Apple updates iOS & macOS, and that you resort to lies.

Now answer the basic question - or - continue to lie about Apple support.
Your choice.

Simply answer this basic question, Chris, with a yes or with a no.

Q: Does Apple publish that they only fully support a single release?
A: Yes or No

Hint: Because of all your prior lies, you won't answer that question.
Now how did I know that? (heh heh heh... you're like small children.)

1. You know absolutely nothing about how any operating system updates
2. You religiously believe Apple fully supports multiple releases
3. Even when Apple themselves says they've never done that, Chris.

Not only should you no longer wonder why Apple devices are the most
exploited in history, Chris - but you should not even bother to wonder why
I say you strange religious zealots have an abnormally low IQ, Chris.

Like a religious zealot, Chris, you deny even what Apple doesn't deny.

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Jolly Roger wrote on 2 Jul 2024 15:30:39 GMT :

You claim because Apple fixed one bug in an older release, that they
fixed them all

I never said that. Yet another lie you can't back up.

I feel sorry for you strange religious zealots because you hate that I tell
you things about Apple that you wish weren't true - and yet - they are.

The fact is that your IQ is too low to comprehend the difference between
Apple fixing one bug in an older release and the promise by Apple to fix
all bugs it knows about - but only in the latest release - and no others.

While that concept is inherently simple - you can't comprehend that fixing
one bug is not the same as the promise to fix all bugs Apple knows about.

Note that I'm being charitable given I've proved you lied and you still
deny your own words - even as I quoted them faithfully with the cites.

The fact you're ashamed that you lied for years about Apple support aside,
what you need to do is answer this simple basic question with Yes or No.

Q: Does Apple publish that they only fully support a single release?
A: Yes or No

I know you won't answer that question because you hate that it's so easy to prove that Apple has the worst operating system support in the industry.

You strange religious zealots hate me for proving that fact with cites.
So be it.

I have two roles on these strangely child-like Apple Usenet newsgroups:
1. State the truth (with cites) about Apple products, and,
2. Prove how strange you uneducated religious fanatics truly are.

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Chris wrote on Wed, 3 Jul 2024 11:23:08 -0000 (UTC) :

Bullshit. Google & Samsung have been five years published for a while.

Nope. Google published theirs in Oct/Nov last year and Samsung earlier this year.

I feel your frantic desperation to deny what the recently published
statements from Apple/Google/Samsung promise (all of which came out at the
same time due to EU requirements) - but you have to accept the facts.

Only recently did the EU force OEMs to state the promised full support
lifetime of their operating systems, which is when they published this:
1. Apple === 5 years (up to 1 release)
2. Google === 7 years (up to 7 releases)
3. Samsung === 7 years (up to 7 releases)

Trust me that I understand how desperate you are to deny all facts about
Apple products that you're ignorant of & hence hate - but it's a fact.

Plus that includes *multiple* releases

Over the seven years, yes, but there's no mention of *concurrent* support for multiple releases. I'd be very, very surprised that they will support
six versions of the OS at the same thing.

Again, trust me that I understand why you're so desperate to shore up your crumbling foundation that you felt all along Apple support was the best.

Not the worst (which is what it is - when you look at they actual facts).

Yes. I understand your concern, but rest assured, for my free Samsung
Galaxy A32-5G for example (which is on 13 but was on 12 and 11 prior to
that), they have *always* fully supported multiple concurrent releases.

In addition, Microsoft has also clearly fully supported multiple concurrent releases (e.g., both Windows 11 and Windows 10 are fully supported today).

While your concern is valid, if we simply compare Microsoft to Apple for
the PC, it's patently obvious M$ full support is far better than Apple's.

(whereas Apple only fully supports a
single release

Incorrect. Over the course of the lifetime of phone it gets multiple fully supported releases. Typically 5 or 6.

Just like google/samsung's promise.

Hell, I'm a sensible logical reasonable well-educated intelligent person
Chris, so I get your point that while Appel clearly has never
simultaneously fully supported more than one release at a time - you're concerned that maybe the (longer) Google/Samsung promise is similar.

I agree with you that we need to see it in writing, since marketing is
rather clever at leading uneducated unintelligent people astray.

So let's leave that as an open question to be resolved in the future.

Plus Google has been updating *all Android phones* with Android 10 and
above over the Internet for the two dozen core operating system modules.

Meaningless. That isn't "full" support as you love to shout about.

Again, I am eminently logical such that I sympathize with your emotional concerns that fixing all known bugs monthly in dozens of core packages
found in billions of Android 10 devices around the world from many OEMs is
of no importance to you as an Apple user (because Apple doesn't do that).

But here's the thing when it comes to who has the worst OS support of all:
Q: Does Android at least fix all known bugs monthly in those packages?
A: Yes.

Q: Does Apple do anything similar?
A: No.

Still, trust me, I feel your desperation to ridicule the fact that Android
has been updating billions of devices monthly for all known bugs in over
two dozen core packages. I really do. It's palpable how desperate you are.

The reason is obvious: You had no idea Apple support was that bad.
Why were you so unaware that Apple has the worst support in the industry?

Because you are a herd animal.
You don't think for yourself.

You only believe what Apple told you.
And Apple never told you that.

That has no known EOL date so as far as we know it goes on forever

You're a very funny man. I hope you don't actually believe that.
<see my snipped urls for the facts >

Heh heh heh... we have very long threads on both the Usenet Android
newsgroup and on the XDA Developers web site where the general consensus is that Google has not stated any EOL date for the end of Project Mainline.

Even if they did, the fact all the code is donated to the open source community, by design, indicates even if there were an EOL date in the
future, then the open source community could continue ad infinitum.

Again, I understand why you lied above - because you're desperate to make
all facts I provide to you go away - but your brazen lies just point out
how desperate you are to avoid realizing why Apple has the worst full
hotfix operating system support in the industry.

I feel sorry for you, Chris.
And I mean that.

You're desperate to discount every fact that goes against your purely
religious belief system (which itself, was never based on any facts).

They have been forced to do this as their support of current and older
models has been woeful. Approx 2-3 years was what you could hope for. Even >>> for flagship models.

Bullshit. Android has been fully supporting over two dozen core operating
system modules since Android 10 - which is billions of Android phones.

Hahaha! "Fully supporting select services" is laughable.

Again, I feel sorry for you strange religious zealots because you don't
know how any operating systems update, let alone how Apple updates them.

The fact is that all Android 10+ phones, since 2019, have been updating
about two dozen core modules monthly for all bugs that Google knows about.

The only question you need to answer, instead of ridiculing that, is:
Q: Does Apple do this?
A: Yes or no?

In summary, when you understand how Microsoft, Google & Samsung update
their operating systems, you'll eventually realize this is a fact:
*Apple has the worst full operating system support in the industry*

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On 2024-07-03, Andrew <andrew@spam.net> wrote:

Jolly Roger wrote on 2 Jul 2024 15:30:39 GMT :

You claim because Apple fixed one bug in an older release, that they
fixed them all

I never said that. Yet another lie you can't back up.

I feel sorry for blah blah blah

No cite means you're lying as usual.

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Jolly Roger wrote on 3 Jul 2024 18:39:58 GMT :

No cite means you're lying as usual.

And yet, I quoted your exact words, and the exact link to your exact words, complete with the URL and the message ID of your exact words, Jolly Roger.

Still... you're so embarrassed about Apple's hotfix support being the worst
in the industry that you can't bring yourself to answer this simple query.

Q: Does Apple publicly say that they only fully support a single release?
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Chris wrote on Wed, 3 Jul 2024 22:28:13 -0000 (UTC) :

1. Apple === 5 years (up to 1 release)

Actually, using the same definition as Google/Samsung, that's up to 5 releases. Apple releases a new ios every year so five years of support will provide 5 supported releases.

I'm logical. Sensible. My belief systems are based on facts, not emotions.

I appreciate that, of all the religious zealots, you're at least trying to understand the differences between the substandard way Apple does things,
and the way every other operating system does their full hotfix support.

What you need to think about, and understand, is I already agreed with you
that we're absolutely positive that Microsoft *simultaneously* fully
supports multiple releases - which we *know* Apple does NOT do for macOS.

As for cellphone full hotfix support, again, we're absolutely positive that Apple has *never* simultaneously supported more than a single iOS release.

That's just a fact based on Apple's own description of their support Chris.

What I will grant you, and which I thank you for brining up the level of
detail that eludes most of the Apple religious zealots, is that it could be that Samsung/Google do not *simultaneously* support more than one release
at a time - although - my experience with the Galaxy A32-5G seems to show
that they do.

Still - I will grant you that we don't have it in writing that
Samsung/Google do NOT simultaneously support more than one of those 7
releases in 7 years, so I will take you up on the quest for more
information to ask the Android newsgroup for the data to nail the answer to that question down.

Unlike you Apple religious zealots, I don't need to defend Google to the
death, and, Lord knows, I think they stink - so rest assured, I will strive
to find out the correct answer to that question you are asking of me.

I posted a query to the Android newsgroup - but we need to wait a bit
before people answer the question with references, hopefully, Chris.
From: Andrew <andrew@spam.net>
Newsgroups: comp.mobile.android
Subject: Do Google/Samsung SIMULTANEOUSLY fully support more than one release at a time?
Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2024 23:24:14 -0000 (UTC)
Message-ID: <v64miu$2ofk$1@nnrp.usenet.blueworldhosting.com>

*Do Google/Samsung SIMULTANEOUSLY fully support more than one release at a time?*
<https://www.novabbs.com/computers/article-flat.php?id=53965&group=comp.mobile.android#53965>

Yes. I understand your concern, but rest assured, for my free Samsung
Galaxy A32-5G for example (which is on 13 but was on 12 and 11 prior to
that), they have *always* fully supported multiple concurrent releases.

Prove it. If they're fully supported, by your definition, they should have received the same number of patches in the last nine months and covered the same CVEs.

When the link propagates to the Usenet search engines, I will give you the
link to the thread that asks directly of Android users your question.

What we KNOW is Apple says they do not do SIMULTANEOUS full support.
What we want to narrow down is whether Google/Samsung say that, or not.

Remember, I'm nothing like you fundamentalist zealots in that I don't care
what the answer is - I just care that I know the correct answer, Chris.

Let's see what the Android team comes up with by way of reference cites.
*Do Google/Samsung SIMULTANEOUSLY fully support more than one release at a time?*
<https://www.novabbs.com/computers/article-flat.php?id=53965&group=comp.mobile.android#53965>

In addition, Microsoft has also clearly fully supported multiple concurrent >> releases (e.g., both Windows 11 and Windows 10 are fully supported today). >>
While your concern is valid, if we simply compare Microsoft to Apple for
the PC, it's patently obvious M$ full support is far better than Apple's.

Really? How many global breaches that have affected many multibillion orgs has windows been responsible for over the last 10 years?
Then compare with macOS.
I'll wait.

For known exploits, the information is all here for you to peruse.
<https://www.cisa.gov/known-exploited-vulnerabilities-catalog>

Again, I am eminently logical such that I sympathize with your emotional
concerns that fixing all known bugs monthly in dozens of core packages
found in billions of Android 10 devices around the world from many OEMs is >> of no importance to you as an Apple user (because Apple doesn't do that).

The point you're missing is that if android only updates a select handful
of services and leaves the remainder unpatched and vulnerable then that's
not a fully supported OS. And is meaningless in terms of security.

I understand why you're so emotionally desperate to claim that updating
dozens of core modules for billions of Android phones monthly is
"meaningless" in terms of security, we'll just have to disagree on that.

What you're saying is no different than saying that it's meaningless to
have supplemental insurance on your home or vehicle, simply because the supplemental insurance isn't complete. This is absurd, Chris.

Not only does Apple have nothing like this monthly supplemental updates to
over two dozen core modules, but Apple didn't even have the concept of a
hotfix patch until the iOS 16, Chris - which shows you how primitive the
Apple monolithic operating system updates are.

In summary, I get it that you consider supplemental insurance meaningless,
just as you consider if I gave you a bonus of $10K every month you'd
consider it meaningless because it's less than your standard salary... but
the fact you consider supplemental protection meaningless is more of a
function of your lack of understanding than anything else.

You're literally desperate to claim Apple does NOT have the worst operating system bugfix support in the industry - and - well - if you could prove
that, I'd be all ears - but saying it's "meaningless" if I gave you $10K
every month in ADDITION to your full salary, is simply an absurd statement.

You're desperate because you *hate* that the facts are what they are.

Still, let's see what comes of the question I just asked moments ago that
you asked me to nail down the answer to - which I feel is a sensibly
logical question to ask - where I am nothing but logical at all times.

*Do Google/Samsung SIMULTANEOUSLY fully support more than one release at a time?*
<https://www.novabbs.com/computers/article-flat.php?id=53965&group=comp.mobile.android#53965>

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On 2024-07-03, Andrew <andrew@spam.net> wrote:

Jolly Roger wrote on 3 Jul 2024 18:39:58 GMT :

No cite means you're lying as usual.

And yet, I quoted your exact words

Another lie.

and the exact link to your exact words

Another lie.

complete with the URL and the message ID of your exact words

Another lie.

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Chris wrote on Wed, 3 Jul 2024 18:43:20 -0000 (UTC) :

Again, all factually correct. Where's the lie?

Your lies lay in your abject fear of the answer to this simple query:

Q: Does Apple publish that they only fully support a single release?
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Chris wrote on Thu, 4 Jul 2024 07:58:07 -0000 (UTC) :

When the link propagates to the Usenet search engines, I will give you the >> link to the thread that asks directly of Android users your question.

Why don't you do your own analysis? Like I did with the Apple releases to show that Apple indeed does actively support multiple releases. It's not
like you have anything else to do.

Only one word matters, Chris - which is the answer to this simply question:
Q: Does Apple publicly state that they only fully support a single release?
A: Yes or No

Chris - I get it that you *hate* that I'm the one who had to break it to
you that Apple was forced by security researchers to admit they have never
in their entire history ever provided full support to more than one
release.

You think I don't understand you strange religious zealots by now Chris?

1. All you religious zealots were blissfully ignorant of that basic fact.
2. Or, all you religious fundamentalists lied for years about that fact.
(Pick one.)

What we KNOW is Apple says they do not do SIMULTANEOUS full support.
What we want to narrow down is whether Google/Samsung say that, or not.

I've shown that Apple actively supports iOS 15 onwards. Actions speak
louder than words.

Do you think I don't understand how uneducated children like you act?

You're so completely ignorant of how operating systems are updated that you don't even realize every operating system vendor will fix a bug once in a
while in any release (particularly if that bug is so egregious as to garner
too much bad publicity).

If you don't think I didn't know you were desperate to weasel out of your
lies, rest assured I realize why you inserted the word "actively" above.

I don't know if you're pissing in your pants in fear, but I do know that
you're desperate to find a way to NOT answer this fundamental question:

Q: Does Apple publicly state that they only fully support a single release?
A: Yes or No

For known exploits, the information is all here for you to peruse.
<https://www.cisa.gov/known-exploited-vulnerabilities-catalog>

That's not an answer. Take Wannacry it reportedly cost $4bn in damage: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WannaCry_ransomware_attack

Chris, do you think I'm not aware of the whataboutism that all you
religious fundamentalist zealots employ to avoid answering the question?

Q: Does Apple publicly state that they only fully support a single release?
A: Yes or No

How much more damage has Microsoft's buggy software caused?
Nothing of that scale has ever happened with Apple.

Just wait until they count up the cost of ransomware inserted using this exploit in millions of iOS & mac apps over the long period of 10 years.
*Almost every Apple device vulnerable to CocoaPods supply chain attack*
<https://www.theregister.com/2024/07/02/cocoapods_vulns_supply_chain_potential/>

You probably don't even know about this vulnerability - which is classic because none of you religious zealots ever read what in the news.

The point you're missing is that if android only updates a select handful >>> of services and leaves the remainder unpatched and vulnerable then that's >>> not a fully supported OS. And is meaningless in terms of security.

I understand why you're so emotionally desperate to claim that updating
dozens of core modules for billions of Android phones monthly is
"meaningless" in terms of security, we'll just have to disagree on that.

What does fully supported OS look like to you?
"core services" or (B) actively patching all known vulnerabilities in the
OS?

You seem to be demanding (B) of Apple, but accepting (A) for Android.
That's hardly a fair comparison.

You're the one desperate to push a biased agenda based on your opinions
only.

When you actually look at the facts the differences are minimal. But you're not really interested in facts only bias affirming opinions.

Chris. I have had small children. My children have had small children.
My grandchildren just has babies. Stop acting like those small children.

Everyone who has any knowledge whatsoever of computers knows what it means.
I get it that you're desperate to find a flaw.
I get it that you are embarrassed that you were wrong about Apple.

I get it even that you're blissfully unaware that every operating system
vendor will fix a bug or few in older releases when they're really bad.

But fixing one bug and fixing every known bug are two different things.
Apple promises only one thing, Chris - and it's not what you claim it is.

If you can't answer this simple question, then I'm right about you zealots.
Q: Does Apple publicly state that they only fully support a single release?
A: Yes or No

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Chris wrote on Thu, 4 Jul 2024 15:56:51 -0000 (UTC) :

You've made unsubstantiated allegations that I lied which I categorically deny and have shown to be factual.

Let's stop this childish charade you Apple fundamentalists always play.

You keep weaseling about what "full" support means like a person with
cancer who keeps hoping that "malignant" doesn't mean what it means.

To qualify your lies, you've recently turned to using "active" support,
which means you actually do understand what "full" support means after all.

The fact you know the answer, and yet you keep desperately wiggling around trying to find a way out of your own brazen lies, is what you zealots do.

I've studied you strange Apple religious nutjobs, and every time you do the same thing which is you deny every fact you don't know about Apple, which wouldn't be so bad if it wasn't that you zealots know nothing about Apple.

I don't even care about Apple and I know more about how Apple updates
releases than any of you will ever know in your entire lifetime.

Which, after all, isn't saying much - because you can't even answer this:

Q: Does Apple publish that they only fully support a single release?
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On 2024-07-04, Andrew <andrew@spam.net> wrote:

Chris wrote on Thu, 4 Jul 2024 15:56:51 -0000 (UTC) :

You've made unsubstantiated allegations that I lied which I
categorically deny and have shown to be factual.

Let's stop this childish charade

Projection.

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Jolly Roger wrote on 4 Jul 2024 17:38:29 GMT :

You've made unsubstantiated allegations that I lied which I
categorically deny and have shown to be factual.

Let's stop this childish charade

Projection.

It's no longer shocking you religious zealots know NOTHING about Apple.
You ignorant uneducated zealot can't even answer this simple question.

Q: Does Apple publish that they only fully support a single release?
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On 2024-07-04, Andrew <andrew@spam.net> wrote:

Jolly Roger wrote on 4 Jul 2024 17:38:29 GMT :

You've made unsubstantiated allegations that I lied which I
categorically deny and have shown to be factual.

Let's stop this childish charade

Projection.

It's no longer shocking you religious zealots

More projection.

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Jolly Roger wrote on 5 Jul 2024 01:37:07 GMT :

It's no longer shocking you religious zealots

More projection.

And yet, you *still* can't bring yourself to answer the question, JR.

Q: Does Apple publish that they only fully support a single release?
A: Yes or No

Why are you so deathly afraid of the truth about Apple products anyway?

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Chris wrote on Thu, 4 Jul 2024 20:20:35 -0000 (UTC) :

Only one word matters

What matters is that you make unsubstantiated claims based on third party information or your own guess work, but when you're challenged you have nothing to fall back on.

Q: Does Apple publish that they only fully support a single release?
A: Yes or No

What is it about you ignorant uneducated low-IQ Apple fundamentalist
zealots that you are so deathly afraid of that simple factual question?

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Chris wrote on Thu, 4 Jul 2024 20:11:30 -0000 (UTC) :

Making things up. You are incapable of finding holes in what people state,
so you pretend they said something else. Then snip and run when challenged.

Heh heh heh... C'mon Chris. Remember when you told me you had a PhD in the medical sciences and yet you ridiculed, like a child, common medical terms.

You think I am not aware how frantically desperate you are to find a hole
in Apple's own public statements that they only fully support 1 release.

You're like a cornered rat, frantically trying to find some way out of your
own desperate brazen lies, Chris. Your bloodshot eyes are frenetically
darting about for any avenue of escape from the truth that Apple has never fully supported more than one release at a time in its entire history.

Do you really think I'm not aware of your abject fear of this fact?

Your fear of facts is why you can't bring yourself to answer the question:

Q: Does Apple publish that they only fully support a single release?
A: Yes or No

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Chris wrote on Fri, 5 Jul 2024 10:39:10 -0000 (UTC) :

You constantly snip and run. Stand by your assertions like the adult you claim to be. You quoted me as lying. Prove it!

To prove/disprove your brazen lies, all you need to do is answer this:

Q: Does Apple publish that they only fully support a single release?
A: Yes or No

HINT: I know why you won't answer (you won't because you lied & answering
it would be an admission on your part that you lied about it prior).

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Chris wrote on Fri, 5 Jul 2024 13:21:05 -0000 (UTC) :

One can only come to a single conclusion: you have no argument

You're frantically desperate to deflect from my argument, Chris.

Q: Does Apple publish that they only fully support a single release?
A: Yes or No

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Chris wrote on Fri, 5 Jul 2024 23:30:30 -0000 (UTC) :

You constantly snip and run. Stand by your assertions like the adult you >>> claim to be. You quoted me as lying. Prove it!

To prove/disprove your brazen lies, all you

You made the assertion. The onus is on you. Not me.

The only thing that matters is that you are afraid to answer this question (which, in and of itself, shows you are embarrassed by your prior lies).

Q: Does Apple publicly state they fully support only one release at a time?
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Chris wrote on Sat, 6 Jul 2024 14:55:58 -0000 (UTC) :

You back your claims. Last chance!

How many times must I cite the same posts before you read them, Chris?

Either you're completely ignorant of Apple's OS update policy, or, you lied
as I have repeatedly quoted time and time again & again for you Chris.

Look here where Chris brazenly lies to badgolferman's face about it: <https://www.novabbs.com/computers/article-flat.php?id=13727&group=misc.phone.mobile.iphone#13727>
<https://www.novabbs.com/computers/article-flat.php?id=13728&group=misc.phone.mobile.iphone#13728>
<https://www.novabbs.com/computers/article-flat.php?id=13729&group=misc.phone.mobile.iphone#13729>

Since you lied above & since you won't answer this simple question, I'm
slowly beginning to realize you don't actually know the answer to the
query.

Q: Does Apple publicly state they fully support only one release at a time?
A: Yes or no.

Could it really be that you're too ignorant to even know the answer Chris?

Huh... I hadn't thought that you were too stupid to comprehend Apple's own words until now. SO maybe you didn't lie after all.

Maybe you're just too stupid to understand what Apple publicly said?
I don't know anymore.

But what is the only logical choice is either you lied, or, you told what
you thought was the truth but which you were too stupid to actually
comprehend.

Pick one.

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Chris wrote on Sat, 6 Jul 2024 23:26:12 -0000 (UTC) :

Aaannndddd, we're now full circle. You're citing the exact same posts that you still haven't evidenced where I lied. So I challenge you - again - to show where exactly you think I lied. I dare you.

You won't because you can't.

The fact is that I'm beginning to think you didn't lie, Chris.
You're just incredibly ignorant. To the point of being left of Mt Stupid.

You are supremely confident in your almost complete lack of knowledge.
So, maybe, after all, you didnt' lie Chris.

You truly do not know the answer to this extremely basic simple question:
Q: Does Apple publicly state they fully support only one release at a time?
A: Yes or no.

You, being left of Mount Stupid on the DK scale, are sure the answer is no.
And yet, the answer is Yes.

Apparently, you made brazen baseless claims out of pure ignorance.
Not malice.

I agree with you Chris.
You maybe didn't lie.
That means you're just shockingly ignorant and yet incredibly confident.

Which is the whole point of the graph of people left of Mount Stupid. <https://psychology.stackexchange.com/questions/17825/what-is-the-primary-source-of-the-mount-stupid-graphic>

People who are too stupid to know how stupid they are, are incredibly
confident in everything that they claim - which is probably you, Chris.

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On 2024-07-06 16:52, Andrew wrote:

Chris wrote on Sat, 6 Jul 2024 23:26:12 -0000 (UTC) :

Aaannndddd, we're now full circle. You're citing the exact same posts that >> you still haven't evidenced where I lied. So I challenge you - again - to
show where exactly you think I lied. I dare you.

You won't because you can't.

The fact is that I'm beginning to think you didn't lie, Chris.
You're just incredibly ignorant. To the point of being left of Mt Stupid.

You're such a coward, Arlen.

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On 2024-07-06, Andrew <andrew@spam.net> wrote:

Chris wrote on Sat, 6 Jul 2024 23:26:12 -0000 (UTC) :

Aaannndddd, we're now full circle. You're citing the exact same posts that >> you still haven't evidenced where I lied. So I challenge you - again - to
show where exactly you think I lied. I dare you.

You won't because you can't.

The fact is that I'm beginning to think you didn't lie, Chris.

Not a fact. You lose.

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I often ignore posts from Google. Use a real news client instead.

JR

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Jolly Roger wrote on 7 Jul 2024 02:06:58 GMT :

The fact is that I'm beginning to think you didn't lie, Chris.

Not a fact. You lose.]

Holy shit! You didn't lie!
*You're just incredibly confident in your complete ignorance!*
<https://i.sstatic.net/NJkCp.png>

I've always said that there are always one of two reasons why you Apple religious fundamentalist zealots are so confident about being wrong.
<https://i.sstatic.net/wgoc9.jpg>

1. You either brazenly lie, or,
2. You really believe Apple fully supports more than 1 release at a time.
<https://i.sstatic.net/XgbX3.jpg>

Since Chris and you can't answer this simple question, even now...
Q: Does Apple publicly state they fully support only one release at a time?
A: Yes or no.

I'm beginning to realize fundamentalist zealots didn't lie after all.
*You actually _believe_ Apple simultaneously fully supports >1 release!*
<https://i.sstatic.net/QbnWs.png>

In other words, you're all to the left of Mount Stupid on the
Dunning-Kruger scale, which is people who know absolutely nothing but who
feel they know everything - which is all your strange religious zealots.]
<https://i.sstatic.net/wAbpc.jpg>

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On 2024-07-07, Andrew <andrew@spam.net> wrote:

Jolly Roger wrote on 7 Jul 2024 02:06:58 GMT :

The fact is that I'm beginning to think you didn't lie, Chris.

Not a fact. You lose.]

Holy shit! You didn't lie!

I never do. Here are FACTS you want everyone to ignore:

Open source vulnerabilities remain unpatched for decades <https://www.itweb.co.za/article/open-source-vulnerabilities-remain-unpatched-for-decades/wbrpO7gPwGdMDLZn>
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A new report reveals an enormous number of identified open source vulnerabilities remain unpatched for 10 years and longer, often because organisations have no idea what open source code they are using.
.
.
.
With software developers routinely taking code from open source
repositories to embed in their company's products to speed up the
development process, saving time and money, manually tracking
components, their versions and their vulnerabilities is way beyond the capabilities of most organisations.

The report recommends all organisations invest in an automated solution
for identifying and patching known vulnerabilities. "You can't patch
software if you don't know you are using it," the authors point out.
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Jolly Roger wrote on 7 Jul 2024 03:23:56 GMT :

I never do. Here are FACTS you want everyone to ignore:

Open source vulnerabilities remain unpatched for decades <https://www.itweb.co.za/article/open-source-vulnerabilities-remain-unpatched-for-decades/wbrpO7gPwGdMDLZn>
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A new report reveals an enormous number of identified open source vulnerabilities remain unpatched for 10 years and longer, often because organisations have no idea what open source code they are using.

The only facts we need to know are two undeniably salient facts, JR.

1. Apple touts that their ecosystem provides safety & security.
2. Yet Apple apparently has never even tested whether that claim is true.

In fact, it's obvious that Apple didn't even know how vulnerable their ecosystem was for millions of mac/iOS apps for an entire decade, JR!

With that in mind, your excuse is that Apple is incompetent at testing?

HINT: If security researchers can find this flaw, why then can't Apple?

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On 2024-07-07 08:44, Chris wrote:

Andrew <andrew@spam.net> wrote:

I agree with you Chris.
You maybe didn't lie.

Why the weasel words?

It's an affront to good, honest, hardworking weasel's everywhere.

--
"It would be a measureless disaster if Russian barbarism overlaid
the culture and independence of the ancient States of Europe."
Winston Churchill

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