On the contrary, the evidence is in the lack of news/drama when it comes
to product as deployed - the classical "it just works".
It's classic for Dunning-Kruger people far to the left of Mount Stupid to
claim a strongly held opinion they can't back up with even a single fact.
Q: Name a single thing that the iPhone does that's better than Android?
A: (we'll wait)
See: "It just works". The ramifications of this as a developmental discipline is to have V&V of new technologies *prior* to them being
sold, to make sure that they're actually work, reliably, in real world fielded applications. A concrete example of this is *not* adopting a
folding display screen that then subsequently fails/degrades in the
hands of customers.
And of course, Apple isn't perfectly infallible, for we can cite the 'butterfly' keyboard failures as an illustration of a mistake made: the
key thing is to have a corporate culture which minimizes the risks of repeating of prior mistakes - which is indicative of why we've had to
refer to a failure in design from 2015 .. nearly a full decade ago.
AirTags are the standard tracking device right now. The Android version
still has a long way to go.
https://www.tomsguide.com/phones/google-pixel-phones/an-unofficial-test-compared-apples-airtags-against-googles-find-my-device-heres-which-tracker-won
-hh wrote on Sun, 21 Jul 2024 10:03:35 -0400 :
On the contrary, the evidence is in the lack of news/drama when it comes
to product as deployed - the classical "it just works".
While I'm well aware of the genius of Apple's lies of "It just works",
let's teset that out, shall we?
1. I installed an app on iOS & Android long ago
2. It's no longer in the App Store on either platform
3. Which of the two platforms "just works" when I want to migrate
that previously installed app onto any number of new devices?
Hint: The Apple ecosystem never "just works".
Let's test it again, but with a different set of common conditions:
a. I want to have anonymity when using a web browser
b. So I choose the canonical well-supported respected Tor Browser
c. On which of the two platforms does the Tor browser "just work"?
Hint: The Apple ecosystem almost never "just works".
Do you want me to give you scores of similar examples,
HINT: The Apple ecosystem almost never "just works".
If you think it does, that simply proves how gullible you are to Apple's admittedly brilliant advertising. Almost nothing "just works" on iOS.
badgolferman wrote on Sun, 21 Jul 2024 09:50:47 -0000 (UTC) :
AirTags are the standard tracking device right now. The Android version
still has a long way to go.
https://www.tomsguide.com/phones/google-pixel-phones/an-unofficial-test-compared-apples-airtags-against-googles-find-my-device-heres-which-tracker-won
Hi badgolferman,
Please never forget I'm not stupid. Give me credit for being intelligent.
I think you misunderstood what I said, and what I had asked, as I don't
doubt the Apple customers fall for every marketing gimmick in the book.
There's a huge difference between MARKETING & TECHNOLOGY.
Apple can't innovate - but boy oh boy - can Apple market that they do!
Never forget the difference please.
Apple has a gullible herd following that rivals that of Marlboro.
Marlboro sold Virginia Slims, remember - to gullible herd animals.
Having gullible herd followings does not make the technology better.
Even the "bold new colors" sell like hotcakes to Apple herd animals.
But if you're going to tell me that "yellow phones" are an innovation that Android doesn't have, simply because Apple sells more yellow phones to its gullible herds, I'm going to push back on you for technology reasons.
Remember, I never said Apple doesn't have the finest MARKETING in the
world. What I said was Apple's R&D is the worst in terms of spending.
As a result, Apple can't innovate.
But man oh man... can Apple market.
So just the fact that billions of gullible Apple owners fall prey to Apple marketing - like sheep led to slaughter - doesn't mean the technology has "leapfrogged" anyone.
What's technologically better between the three airtags anyway?
a. Apple (which came out in April 2021)
b. Samsung (which came out at exactly the same time)
c. Google (which is late to the game)
I bet you don't know the answer.
Notice if you don't know the answer, you are falling prey to Apple
marketing because having billions of gullible idiots isn't technology.
It's marketing.
But if that were true, then Apple would have gone totally out of
business a decade ago, due to non-delivery and Reversion to the Mean.
-hh wrote on Sun, 21 Jul 2024 19:06:21 -0400 :
But if that were true, then Apple would have gone totally out of
business a decade ago, due to non-delivery and Reversion to the Mean.
What you need to understand is that MARKETING is what Apple does best.
Not innovation.
Marketing.
Just like marketing is what coca cola does. And Marlboro. And Chevron.
You think "Virginia Slims" were innovation?
Or New Coke?
Apple is all marketing and almost no R&D.
Please never forget I'm not stupid. Give me credit for being intelligent.
And yet you don't acknowledge that badgolferman has come up with a good example.
Prior to AirTags the market leader was Tile. Now Tile are struggling to be relevant. The android solutions are desperate to join Apple's Find My network.
I think you misunderstood what I said
Everyone understands your one-sided, factless rhetoric.
On 2024-07-21 19:29, Andrew wrote:
-hh wrote on Sun, 21 Jul 2024 19:06:21 -0400 :
But if that were true, then Apple would have gone totally out of
business a decade ago, due to non-delivery and Reversion to the Mean.
What you need to understand is that MARKETING is what Apple does best.
Not innovation.
Marketing.
Says you.
Just like marketing is what coca cola does. And Marlboro. And Chevron.
You think "Virginia Slims" were innovation?
Or New Coke?
Apple is all marketing and almost no R&D.
False.
Apple spends more on R&D than all but three companies.
nds more on R&D than all but three companies.
Plus Apple clearly does a lot of "Make or Buy" business assessments to
decide on where to prioritize their R&D investments. This leads us back
to his belief that no one company can be successful unless they
personally invent and make every last component totally in-house, which
is totally absurd and followed by literally no one. Likewise, his
apparent belief (also quite absurd) that every S&T project is always and immediately fully successful as originally envisioned.
Reality for both is quite distant from these beliefs, which is why even
his attempts to worship Android fall far short of this vision, as
illustrated by how Android handset manufacturers *also* have had to
outsource their modem chips to Qualcomm rather than to invent & fab them in-house like he's trying to ask of Apple. Yeah, hypocritical.
As I said, it shows that "Andrew" has never professionally worked on any technological development efforts ... except perhaps as their janitor.
-hh wrote on Mon, 22 Jul 2024 10:46:05 -0400 :
nds more on R&D than all but three companies.
Plus Apple clearly does a lot of "Make or Buy" business assessments to
decide on where to prioritize their R&D investments. This leads us back
to his belief that no one company can be successful unless they
personally invent and make every last component totally in-house, which
is totally absurd and followed by literally no one. Likewise, his
apparent belief (also quite absurd) that every S&T project is always and
immediately fully successful as originally envisioned.
Reality for both is quite distant from these beliefs, which is why even
his attempts to worship Android fall far short of this vision, as
illustrated by how Android handset manufacturers *also* have had to
outsource their modem chips to Qualcomm rather than to invent & fab them
in-house like he's trying to ask of Apple. Yeah, hypocritical.
As I said, it shows that "Andrew" has never professionally worked on any
technological development efforts ... except perhaps as their janitor.
An adult would prove me wrong - but a child acts like hh just did above.
The fact remains that nobody in high tech spends less than Apple on R&D as
a percentage of revenue ...
- and - plenty of phone companies spend more even
though none are anywhere near the size of Apple in terms of total revenue.
Alan Baker cannot dispute that fact because it's a well known fact.
It's that lack of R&D that explains why Apple is five to ten years behind Android technology - which - if you want to disprove - all you have to do
is list what iPhone technology is better than similar Android technology.
HINT: It's just as absurd to claim that AirTags are exclusively iPhone technology as it would be to claim that Tiles are exclusively Android.
Name a *single* exclusively iPhone technology that Apple has innovated upon in the past five or ten years that is better than the equivalent Android.
Hint: You can't.
Why not?
Because Apple doesn't invest in R&D; Apple is all about marketing.
Prove me wrong.
That's what an adult would do.
On 7/22/24 11:06 AM, Andrew wrote:
-hh wrote on Mon, 22 Jul 2024 10:46:05 -0400 :
nds more on R&D than all but three companies.
Plus Apple clearly does a lot of "Make or Buy" business assessments to
decide on where to prioritize their R&D investments. This leads us back >>> to his belief that no one company can be successful unless they
personally invent and make every last component totally in-house, which
is totally absurd and followed by literally no one. Likewise, his
apparent belief (also quite absurd) that every S&T project is always and >>> immediately fully successful as originally envisioned.
Reality for both is quite distant from these beliefs, which is why even
his attempts to worship Android fall far short of this vision, as
illustrated by how Android handset manufacturers *also* have had to
outsource their modem chips to Qualcomm rather than to invent & fab them >>> in-house like he's trying to ask of Apple. Yeah, hypocritical.
As I said, it shows that "Andrew" has never professionally worked on any >>> technological development efforts ... except perhaps as their janitor.
An adult would prove me wrong - but a child acts like hh just did above.
The fact remains that nobody in high tech spends less than Apple on
R&D as
a percentage of revenue ...
Oh, look, "as a percentage of revenue..": its a goalpost move attempt!
- and - plenty of phone companies spend more even
though none are anywhere near the size of Apple in terms of total
revenue.
And of course you can clearly explain why that's relevant...right?
Alan Baker cannot dispute that fact because it's a well known fact.
Really? I was under the impression that the Android fanboys keep on
harping that the total worldwide Android sales is bigger than Apple.
Better go check your revenue numbers again...
...and especially not get them confused with net profits.
It's that lack of R&D that explains why Apple is five to ten years behind
Android technology - which - if you want to disprove - all you have to do
is list what iPhone technology is better than similar Android technology.
*Yawn* others have already done so
HINT: It's just as absurd to claim that AirTags are exclusively iPhone
technology as it would be to claim that Tiles are exclusively Android.
Because that's invalid because Tile isn't exclusively Android.
Name a *single* exclusively iPhone technology that Apple has innovated
upon
in the past five or ten years that is better than the equivalent Android.
Hint: You can't.
Well, there is Apple Vision Pro's EyeSight Feature: its innovative
enough that Meta has tried to file a patent clone/derivative of it:
<https://www.patentlyapple.com/2024/07/monkey-see-monkey-do-meta-files-patent-designed-to-mimic-apple-vision-pros-eyesight-feature.html>
Why not?
Because Apple doesn't invest in R&D; Apple is all about marketing.
Prove me wrong.
That's what an adult would do.
Already done, repeatedly. Now "adult up" and accept being wrong.
However, I also note that AirTags are NOT an iPhone feature; so we're still >> waiting for even a single iPhone feature that leapfrogged that of Android.
badgolfernan has already convinced of your misconception so I'll refer you
to him.
Q: Name a single iPhone feature that you believe "leapfrogged" Android.
A: ?
To repeat as you ignored it last time: AirPods (+ Pros) and FaceID. Android equivalents for the airpods have since caught up, mostly, but not FaceID.
There's also the Automation/ShortCuts feature which doesn't have an equivalent in android and includes the Geofencing functionality which you lauded didn't exist.
Plus iphone security is currently uncrackable by the popular cracking tool used by both law enforcement and others willing to pay the high fees: https://www.techspot.com/news/103880-cellebrite-tools-cant-crack-iphones-running-ios-174.html
Android doesn't fare quite so well. For example, the Trump shooter had his Samsung phone cracked: https://www.msn.com/en-nz/news/techandscience/the-fbi-got-into-the-trump-rally-shooter-s-phone-in-just-40-minutes/ar-BB1qhMgY
Andrew <andrew@spam.net> wrote:
Do you even realize that Pegasus often infects the iOS kernel and yet
it has NEVER been able to infect the Android kernel, Chris.
Pegasus targets high value individuals. *That's* why it doesn't target android ;)
Pegasus targets high value individuals. *That's* why it doesn't target
android ;)
He's lying anyway. Pegasus absolutely does get into Android devices:
https://www.androidauthority.com/pegasus-spyware-1646458/
---
Once it has secretly infected a smartphone (Android or iOS), it can turn
the device into a fully-fledged surveillance device. SMS messages,
emails, WhatsApp messages, iMessages, and more, are all open for reading
and copying. It can record incoming and outgoing calls, as well as steal
all the photos on the device. Plus it can activate the microphone and/or
the camera and record what is being said. When you combine that with the potential to access past and present location data, it is clear that
those listening at the other end know almost everything there is to know about anyone that is targeted.
Jolly Roger wrote on 24 Jul 2024 00:04:05 GMT :
Pegasus targets high value individuals. *That's* why it doesn't target
android ;)
He's lying anyway. Pegasus absolutely does get into Android devices:
https://www.androidauthority.com/pegasus-spyware-1646458/
---
Once it has secretly infected a smartphone (Android or iOS), it can turn
the device into a fully-fledged surveillance device. SMS messages,
emails, WhatsApp messages, iMessages, and more, are all open for reading
and copying. It can record incoming and outgoing calls, as well as steal
all the photos on the device. Plus it can activate the microphone and/or
the camera and record what is being said. When you combine that with the
potential to access past and present location data, it is clear that
those listening at the other end know almost everything there is to know
about anyone that is targeted.
There's a reason I assess the iKooks as low-IQ, uneducated & ignorant.
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