Quite a few updates to the document recently.
iOS Features
------------
54i eSIM Transfer Between iPhones
55i Convert physical SIM to eSIM
56i Satellite SOS on iPhone 14 and 15 models.
Android Features
----------------
226a. Ability to disable the use of cell towers, Bluetooth, and Wi-Fi
when determining location.
227a. Change the "Wake" Word for Google Assistant
228a. Migrating Apps to a New Device
229a. Ability to Generate a List of All Apps on Device
230a. Data Measurement, Data Warnings, and Data Stops
231a. PDANet Support for Hotspot on Plans with No Hotspot
232a. MMS (Photos & Group Text) Support on AT&T MVNOs
56 iOS & iPhone Features Which [many] Android Users Wish they Had &
232 Android & Android Phone Features Which [many] iOS Users Wish they
Had
<https://tinyurl.com/iOS-Android-Features>
123 Pages of Extensively Referenced Information with Hundreds of
Citations
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Quite a few updates to the document recently.
iOS Features
------------
54i eSIM Transfer Between iPhones 55i Convert physical SIM to eSIM
56i Satellite SOS on iPhone 14 and 15 models.
Android Features
----------------
226a. Ability to disable the use of cell towers, Bluetooth, and Wi-Fi
when determining location. 227a. Change the "Wake" Word for Google
Assistant 228a. Migrating Apps to a New Device 229a. Ability to
Generate a List of All Apps on Device 230a. Data Measurement, Data
Warnings, and Data Stops 231a. PDANet Support for Hotspot on Plans
with No Hotspot 232a. MMS (Photos & Group Text) Support on AT&T MVNOs
56 iOS & iPhone Features Which [many] Android Users Wish they Had &
232 Android & Android Phone Features Which [many] iOS Users Wish they Had
<https://tinyurl.com/iOS-Android-Features>
123 Pages of Extensively Referenced Information with Hundreds of Citations
That's a well researched list of differences between the platforms.
The ability to list the apps to a file is useful because most of the APK organizers ask you if you want to create a URL out of that list, so you can send it to other people (or use it yourself) by just clicking on the Google Play Store links to each app on your system.
It's very convenient & efficient for archiving your apps and for migration.
Migrating the apps is a big feature of Android, as the original APK is
stored on the device for every app installed, even default system apps.
This is useful when the app is no longer on the Google Play Store (which happens) or if the version you like is no longer on the Google Play Store (which happens even more often). You'll never lose your app APK this way.
Unfortunately, iOS can't do any of that, and it's all automated on Android.
So you always have the original APK and it always works on another phone.
The only problem is the APK for every app is named "base.apk" but the app extractors take care of the renaming base.apk to the original app names.
The app extractors copy & rename that APK which you can then use on any Android phone. With iOS, the IPA isn't saved on the device so you have to manually save it using iTunes and even then it won't work on any phone.
You can also migrate the exact placement of each folder and app icons (shortcuts) with Android, such as how Nova will save your entire homescreen to a file which can be read into any other phone for the exact placement.
If the app isn't yet installed, there are no worries. the launcher takes
care of that by graying out the icon which when you tap on it, it goes and gets the correct app off the Google Play Store (or whatever store you want
to get it from).
On the new phone, you don't do anything but load the homescreen saved file
& tap on the grayed out icons, and soon, you've duplicated the phone setup.
In addition, for organizing, if you want, Android can have any app shortcut in multiple locations on your homescreen, which can't be done on iOS. You
can also hide the app shortuct if you want, and you can rename any app shortcut, which also can't be done on iOS (for example, you can rename
system apps that have similar names such as phone to samsungphone or
whatever you want). None of that organization is possible with iOS.
You can also lock the screen location of all folders and app icons.
I don't know if iOS can do that though.
Some people don't like docks, where with Android launchers, you can remove the dock, but with iOS, you have to have a dock even if nothing is in it.
I didn't check if all of that is in your document. Is it?
If you need to ask questions, let me know as I've done everything above.
W Wed, 15 May 2024 17:10:24 -0700, sms napisal:
Quite a few updates to the document recently.
iOS Features
------------
54i eSIM Transfer Between iPhones
55i Convert physical SIM to eSIM
56i Satellite SOS on iPhone 14 and 15 models.
Android Features
----------------
226a. Ability to disable the use of cell towers, Bluetooth, and Wi-Fi
when determining location.
227a. Change the "Wake" Word for Google Assistant
228a. Migrating Apps to a New Device
229a. Ability to Generate a List of All Apps on Device
230a. Data Measurement, Data Warnings, and Data Stops
231a. PDANet Support for Hotspot on Plans with No Hotspot
232a. MMS (Photos & Group Text) Support on AT&T MVNOs
56 iOS & iPhone Features Which [many] Android Users Wish they Had &
232 Android & Android Phone Features Which [many] iOS Users Wish they
Had
<https://tinyurl.com/iOS-Android-Features>
123 Pages of Extensively Referenced Information with Hundreds of
Citations
That's a well researched list of differences between the platforms.
I wonder if nospam has gone missing because he's busy writing 123 pages
of refutations for your document...
"Nobody (using Apple products) needs functionality"
"Nobody (using Apple products) wants functionality"
To be fair, nospam would say "it's not needed" or "no one wants it".
nospam's contract to defend Apple to the death apparently wasn't
renewed.
Considering nospam's Shift keys were broken and he worked overtime to
defend Apple
maybe he was asking for more than Apple felt was worth
defending their name.
Quite a few updates to the document recently.
iOS Features
------------
54i eSIM Transfer Between iPhones ✓
55i Convert physical SIM to eSIM ✓
56i Satellite SOS on iPhone 14 and 15 models. ✓
Android Features
----------------
226a. Ability to disable the use of cell towers, Bluetooth, and Wi-Fi
when determining location. ✓
227a. Change the “Wake” Word for Google Assistant ✓
228a. Migrating Apps to a New Device ✓
229a. Ability to Generate a List of All Apps on Device ✓
230a. Data Measurement, Data Warnings, and Data Stops ✓
231a. PDANet Support for Hotspot on Plans with No Hotspot ✓
232a. MMS (Photos & Group Text) Support on AT&T MVNOs ✓
✓ 56 iOS & iPhone Features Which [many] Android Users Wish they Had &
✓ 232 Android & Android Phone Features Which [many] iOS Users Wish they Had ✓
<https://tinyurl.com/iOS-Android-Features>
✓ 123 Pages of Extensively Referenced Information with Hundreds of Citations ✓
4i. Battery replacement ✓
9i. No bloatware ✓
10i. Privacy ✓
To provide location-based services on Apple products, Apple and our partners and licensees, such as maps data providers, may collect, use, and share precise location data, including the real-time geographic location of your Apple computer or device.
11i. Support and help from Apple Stores ✓
17i. eSIM¹ ✓eSIM is NOT a feature. It introduces the ability for the carrier to not
20i. Face Recognition ✓
22i. Apple Credit Card with 3% discount and 0% financing on purchases direct from Apple ✓
23i. Native hearing aid support ✓
30i Speakerphone on by default ✓
35i. Automatic sorting of AAC audio files based on type of usage ✓
37i. MagSafe ✓
38i. Dynamic Island ✓Gimmick.
39i. Crash Detection ✓
40i. Physical Silent Mode Switch ✓
41i. Old iPhone models remain in production for several years ✓
42i. Battery health indication and battery optimization ✓
43i. Ability to check the production date ✓
44i. Region restricted app stores ✓
45i. AirTags ✓
46i. Bluetooth Audio Sharing ✓
47i. Shutdown Protection ✓
48i. Realistic Replica Devices ✓
49i. iPhones Can Improve Your Love Life ✓
50i. iPhone acts as an AirTag when turned off ✓
51i. Seamless Updates ✓Literally who cares. Updates download in the background, and install
52i. Less Fragmentation ✓
53i. Place and receive phone calls on Mac or iPad ✓
55i Convert physical SIM to eSIM ✓
56i Satellite SOS on iPhone 14 and 15 models. ✓
4i. Battery replacement
Apple devices **do not** have user-replaceable batteries. In fact, the
iPhone was the first phone to ditch the feature. Most Android phones
don't either, so I guess it's fair, in a twisted and stupid way. Even
better, iPhones have led the way for making less repairable phones, so
stop talking nonsense.
9i. No bloatware
I beg to differ. What is Apple Podcasts doing? Apple Wallet? Apple
Music? Stocks? Apple TV? Tips? Watch? I could go on and on: https://www.makeuseof.com/every-pre-installed-app-iphone/
10i. Privacy
This is incorrect. The Apple TOS specifically states that location data
can be collected and shared by Apple:
To provide location-based services on Apple products, Apple
and our partners and licensees, such as maps data providers,
may collect, use, and share precise location data, including
the real-time geographic location of your Apple computer or device.
11i. Support and help from Apple Stores
As if Android doesn't have that. Most smartphone brands do the same
thing (Samsung, Google, etc.). Also, have you *ever* been to the
"Genius" Bar? They're useless. The most they can do is tell you to
reboot your iPhone or reset your stupid iCloud.
17i. eSIMeSIM is NOT a feature. It introduces the ability for the carrier to not
allow you to switch, meaning you're locked into their services. This is because the carrier is responsible for switching you away, and guess
what, carriers *hate* losing customers to their competitors.
20i. Face Recognition
Biometric security is inherently flawed. If it gets stolen, you cannot
change it, unlike a password. A dead corpse can still be read with Face
ID or fingerprint ID.
22i. Apple Credit Card with 3% discount and 0% financing on
purchases direct from Apple
Why not encourage credit card debt, which is at an all-time high (here's
a clue, it's in the _trillions_)?
23i. Native hearing aid support
I wear hearing aids, and I don't _need_ this feature, because it does *nothing* Bluetooth Audio cannot.
30i Speakerphone on by default
So you can annoy people on the bus/train/street?
35i. Automatic sorting of AAC audio files based on type of usage
AAC sucks. I say that as someone with a lot of knowledge on digital
audio (for the record, I can spectrally analyse an audio file to
determine if it was encoded correctly).
37i. MagSafe
Magnetic wireless charging isn't a big deal. Wireless charging isn't a
big deal. It's inefficient, wasteful, and damages the battery by
producing more heat.
38i. Dynamic IslandGimmick.
39i. Crash Detection
False positives lead to useless 999/911/112 calls that cost taxpayer
money and hold up the phone line for someone having a *real* emergency.
40i. Physical Silent Mode Switch
Physical volume buttons exist.
41i. Old iPhone models remain in production for several years
So do Androids. Moot point.
42i. Battery health indication and battery optimization
Didn't iPhones not display percentages until last year? Also smartphones
have optimised and displayed battery health since their inception. It's
not an iPhone exclusive. My Samsung Galaxy S8 from 2017 can do it.
43i. Ability to check the production date
That's just so that Apple can fuck you over by breaking your device two
days after the warranty period ends.
44i. Region restricted app stores
Because that's a benefit and not DRM.
45i. AirTags
Tile existed for a decade before AirTags did.
46i. Bluetooth Audio Sharing
Many Android phones also allow multiple audio sources. A lot of devices
aimed towards hard-of-hearing users allow for Bluetooth and also wired connectivity simultaneously.
47i. Shutdown Protection
This needs jailbreaking. In other words, a rooted Android phone can do
it too. You even admitted that you're referring to a feature that _does
not exist_ on vanilla iOS.
48i. Realistic Replica Devices
Yes, because I want a knock-off phone. If a design is easy to copy, it's
a bad design. End of.
49i. iPhones Can Improve Your Love Life
If someone likes you more because of a green bubble, they're not the
kind of person to be around.
50i. iPhone acts as an AirTag when turned off
Modern Androids also do this.
51i. Seamless UpdatesLiterally who cares. Updates download in the background, and install
with a reboot in less than 5 minutes. Again, NOBODY CARES.
52i. Less Fragmentation
Fragmentation --> Competition
53i. Place and receive phone calls on Mac or iPad
Why would you want to take calls on a laptop? Also, the Windows Phone
Link, and also KDE Connect can do that, I am quite sure.
55i Convert physical SIM to eSIM
Convert a SIM with freedom to a SIM with DRM, why not.
56i Satellite SOS on iPhone 14 and 15 models.
Android has had this for _years_. You could press power a certain number
of times, and a preconfigured list of ICE contacts would get a text with
your location, and (optionally) a five-second voice clip.
To conclude, your list sucks.
which is one of the reasons I say that Steve's document is pretty good
Why would you want to take calls on a laptop? Also, the Windows Phone
Link, and also KDE Connect can do that, I am quite sure.
When you're sitting in bed or on the couch with your iPad and the phone rings, you don't have to go find your phone to answer it. It will ring
and you can answer it right in bed. My mother and wife who can never
find their phones or have them in their purses use this feature all the
time.
which is one of the reasons I say that Steve's document is pretty good
How so? It's really imbalanced and clearly biased towards iOS, and misrepresents certain arguments, is out-of-date in many places, and
cites features that have been in Android for longer than iOS as things Android users "wish they'd have".
Gordinator wrote on Thu, 16 May 2024 21:57:45 +0100 :
which is one of the reasons I say that Steve's document is pretty good
How so? It's really imbalanced and clearly biased towards iOS, and
misrepresents certain arguments, is out-of-date in many places, and
cites features that have been in Android for longer than iOS as things
Android users "wish they'd have".
I don't disagree with anything you've said... however... I will remark that the Apple religious zealots say that Steve's doc is biased against Apple.
Most people don't realize the number of things that iOS just can't do.
Nor do they realize tghat for almost everything on Android, there's an app.
The author isn't good at finding apps, as he doesn't even know about this:
<https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=scadica.aq>
BTW, that's ANOTHER thing iOS doesn't have which is a good appsearch
utility that filters on the scores of things users want to filter on.
I think it's a good document because it _tries_ to outline what the functional differences are (which are many) especially given Apple spends probably many millions to make people think Apple does things it doesn't.
The biggest failing, as I see it, are two fold, one on each platform:
a. On the Apple side, it touts what turns out to be Apple marketing crap
b. On the Android side, it ignores that Android can do almost everything
I think both are based on the author's ignorance but he's actually a user
of both platforms daily (as am I) so he does know more than most people do.
The author knows more than I do on some things (like bluetooth and eSIMs
and codecs) as do you - so as a team of people - we could make it better.
I just wish the author would listen to what you and I said to improve it.
In summary, the choices for Android are:
a. 75% AUX
b. 50% FM Radio
c. 71% SD SLOT
As you said, Apple adds bloatware, it's just Apple bloatware,
and not carrier bloatware.
What's worse about Apple bloatware is most of it is unremovable.
Every app can be removed from the user partition without being root.
Apple doesn't have privacy. As with Ashley Madison, they advertise
they have privacy. But it doesn't exist for a number of reasons.
In addition, Apple won't allow the privacy of the Tor Browser.
Another of which is Apple inserts a unique tracking ID into
every app - which no other operating system but Apple does.
I can vouch for the fact that the Genius Bar people are useless.
I went to them asking them to test why the iPad had far worse
radio reception than Android and they didn't even know what a
decibel was.
All they did was use an UV light on the water detection strip
(no water) and ensure that it had the latest operating system.
That's all they can do.
I don't know anything about eSIM so I'll let the two of you work it out.
We benefit from that if Steve responds to your suggestions about his doc.
Biometric security is a (brilliant) marketing gimmick.
People feel) their face is unique and only about them (even twins).
The real threat to a phone isn't that we all live in slums where
people steal our phones out of our hands, so I don't even have
a PIN on mine - but since Apple requires people to log into the
Apple mainframes, people need to add these security locks as if
all Apple iPhone owners live in the abject squalor of the slums.
And the iPhone has ten times the active exploits than any other phone!
The author of that document buys everything on credit,
and he engages in finding the best "rewards" credit cards.
To be fair, Steve finds some good deals but he spends way more
energy looking for those rewards dollars than any of us do.
What the author of that document doesn't know is that the iPhone
has puny batteries compared to Android phones where that's why
I've often said if someone is charging every night, they're on an iPhone (because Android phones can typically go a few days between charges).
39i. Crash Detection
False positives lead to useless 999/911/112 calls that cost taxpayer
money and hold up the phone line for someone having a *real* emergency.
Apple sells mostly to people who are scared.
40i. Physical Silent Mode Switch
Physical volume buttons exist.
Agree. Android can assign actions to the buttons.
44i. Region restricted app stores
Because that's a benefit and not DRM.
Having restrictions is a disadvantage in my book.
45i. AirTags
Tile existed for a decade before AirTags did.
And both Apple and Google recently signed a joint agreement
so that mutual software will find them.
48i. Realistic Replica Devices
Yes, because I want a knock-off phone. If a design is easy to copy, it's
a bad design. End of.
I don't even understand this one. A phone is a commodity.
They all do the same things, even as iOS does fewer of them.
49i. iPhones Can Improve Your Love Life
If someone likes you more because of a green bubble, they're not the
kind of person to be around.
Agreed. The iPhone sells to gullible people who are herd animals.
51i. Seamless UpdatesLiterally who cares. Updates download in the background, and install
with a reboot in less than 5 minutes. Again, NOBODY CARES.
This is actually false. Android A/B updates are completely seamless.
As is Project Mainline completely seamless.
Project MainLine (since renamed a few times) for asynchronous updates: https://www.androidcentral.com/android-12-features-we-love-android-runtime-now-part-project-mainline
https://www.xda-developers.com/android-project-mainline-modules-explanation/ https://www.hexnode.com/blogs/android-project-mainline-everything-you-need-to-know/
52i. Less Fragmentation
Fragmentation --> Competition
Agreed. Fragmentation is good because it keeps the prices down and
it keeps the functionality up.
Even so, Samsung has the lion's share of Android anyway,
which negates the fragmentation issue.
Mostly the author suffers from reading too many Apple advertisements
(e.g., he thinks the iPhone is more private and it's just not).
Mostly what the author needs to do is CORRECT his otherwise decent
document so that the things you explained to him will be improved.
But he won't do that, unfortunately.
Thanks for taking the time to respond! I really appreciate it, and it
makes me less regretful for spending money for Usenet access :)
In summary, the choices for Android are:
a. 75% AUX
b. 50% FM Radio
c. 71% SD SLOT
That's pretty good stats, especially since FM radio is a fairly niche feature, and phones have been ditching all three for well over a decade now.
As you said, Apple adds bloatware, it's just Apple bloatware,
and not carrier bloatware.
Don't get me started on carrier bloatware. It's why I buy phones
unlocked. It's why I install a custom OS on my phone, so I don't have
the entire Office suite taking up space on my phone (please, Samsung, I
don't need Play Store AND Galaxy Store!)
What's worse about Apple bloatware is most of it is unremovable.
Well, to be fair, things like the Calculator and App Store are removable
(for some reason).
Every app can be removed from the user partition without being root.
That's cool - I've been using rooted Android on and off since 2017 and I didn't know that!
Apple doesn't have privacy. As with Ashley Madison, they advertise
they have privacy. But it doesn't exist for a number of reasons.
Just looking at what Ashley Madison makes you give them to sign up
eliminates the possibility of privacy.
In addition, Apple won't allow the privacy of the Tor Browser.
Apple is scared of freedom-giving web browsers. Oh, the irony of it!
Another of which is Apple inserts a unique tracking ID into
every app - which no other operating system but Apple does.
So much for App Tracking Transparency.
I can vouch for the fact that the Genius Bar people are useless.
I went to them asking them to test why the iPad had far worse
radio reception than Android and they didn't even know what a
decibel was.
All they did was use an UV light on the water detection strip
(no water) and ensure that it had the latest operating system.
That's all they can do.
Wait, you asked them about radio reception, and they checked for water damage? And they didn't know what a decibel was? I know nothing about
radio and I know what a decibel is, come on!
I don't know anything about eSIM so I'll let the two of you work it out.
We benefit from that if Steve responds to your suggestions about his doc.
I doubt Steve will do that.
Biometric security is a (brilliant) marketing gimmick.
People feel) their face is unique and only about them (even twins).
As far as marketing gimmicks, saying "you can unlock your phone with
your face" is borderline genius in its success at converting new iPhone
users and creating new iPhone salespeople in the form of Android haters.
The real threat to a phone isn't that we all live in slums where
people steal our phones out of our hands, so I don't even have
a PIN on mine - but since Apple requires people to log into the
Apple mainframes, people need to add these security locks as if
all Apple iPhone owners live in the abject squalor of the slums.
It's a little reductive to assume that most people don't worry about
getting their phone stolen. I mean, have you ever used the subway system
of a major city (London's Tube, etc.)? Pickpockets are RUTHLESS there.
And the iPhone has ten times the active exploits than any other phone!
To be fair, it has a lot of eyes on the OS due to its popularity. It's
the same reason why the majority of desktop malware targets Windows.
It's not to say that no-one else is targeted, and it says nothing about
which is 'more secure' over Windows/Linux. Although I personally prefer
Linux ;)
The author of that document buys everything on credit,
and he engages in finding the best "rewards" credit cards.
To be fair, Steve finds some good deals but he spends way more
energy looking for those rewards dollars than any of us do.
Credit cards are a tool that can be used properly, provided you know
how. Using credit for literally everything is a bad idea. Then again,
I'm not the Money Police.
What the author of that document doesn't know is that the iPhone
has puny batteries compared to Android phones where that's why
I've often said if someone is charging every night, they're on an iPhone
(because Android phones can typically go a few days between charges).
They can, until they get as old as mine, at which point I need to set
the low battery threshold to 50% to remind me to conserve the battery
and use less cycles. It did the trick, that's for sure!
39i. Crash Detection
False positives lead to useless 999/911/112 calls that cost taxpayer
money and hold up the phone line for someone having a *real* emergency.
Apple sells mostly to people who are scared.
You forgot to mention people who want a "just works" experience, but to
be fair Android provides that AND the ability to tinker if your heart desires.
On my S8, my old Bixby button switches between apps, it's great.40i. Physical Silent Mode Switch
Physical volume buttons exist.
Agree. Android can assign actions to the buttons.
44i. Region restricted app stores
Because that's a benefit and not DRM.
Having restrictions is a disadvantage in my book.
Which is why I default to finding apps from F-Droid instead of Google
Play (and even then I use Aurora Store as a frontend for it). F-Droid is awesome!
45i. AirTags
Tile existed for a decade before AirTags did.
And both Apple and Google recently signed a joint agreement
so that mutual software will find them.
That's actually cool. I like this. It also makes AirTag so much easier
to reverse-engineer, since Android is mostly written in Java and its derivatives ;)
48i. Realistic Replica Devices
Yes, because I want a knock-off phone. If a design is easy to copy, it's >>> a bad design. End of.
I don't even understand this one. A phone is a commodity.
They all do the same things, even as iOS does fewer of them.
For the most part, you're right. However, I generally don't like the
idea of knock-off phones, since you're getting the worst of many worlds:
1. You are paying for a phone from a sketchy manufacturer that might put actual malware on the phone, give you fake specs, etc.
2. You are supporting the manufacture of counterfeit devices, which may
be morally questionable to some.
3. You are supporting companies that produce e-waste, which is bad for
the planet and your wallet, since such e-waste will likely break sooner.
49i. iPhones Can Improve Your Love Life
If someone likes you more because of a green bubble, they're not the
kind of person to be around.
Agreed. The iPhone sells to gullible people who are herd animals.
Thank you for not saying "sheeple".
51i. Seamless UpdatesLiterally who cares. Updates download in the background, and install
with a reboot in less than 5 minutes. Again, NOBODY CARES.
This is actually false. Android A/B updates are completely seamless.
As is Project Mainline completely seamless.
Project MainLine (since renamed a few times) for asynchronous updates:
https://www.androidcentral.com/android-12-features-we-love-android-runtime-now-part-project-mainline
https://www.xda-developers.com/android-project-mainline-modules-explanation/ >> https://www.hexnode.com/blogs/android-project-mainline-everything-you-need-to-know/
The ability for my phone to update in a way that minimises risk is
always welcome.
52i. Less Fragmentation
Fragmentation --> Competition
Agreed. Fragmentation is good because it keeps the prices down and
it keeps the functionality up.
Even so, Samsung has the lion's share of Android anyway,
which negates the fragmentation issue.
Shame the competition thing doesn't affect the cellphone carrier market.
Also, yes, Samsung does own the lion's share, meaning they're basically
a carbon copy of Apple in this regard (and others as well).
Mostly the author suffers from reading too many Apple advertisements
(e.g., he thinks the iPhone is more private and it's just not).
This sort of marketing actually aggravates me, and I wonder why
regulatory bodies don't look into it. You can't lie to sell a product.
Even worse is the aforementioned App Tracking Transparency, which is
just a way of Apple hogging your data for themselves.
Mostly what the author needs to do is CORRECT his otherwise decent
document so that the things you explained to him will be improved.
But he won't do that, unfortunately.
In that case, the doc doesn't matter much, if it's designed to be a
useful form of reference.
Anyway, thanks again for responding :)
My Android phones are all free from T-Mobile and they all have the aux
jack, the FM radio, and the all important portable-storage sd slot.
Most iPhone users think the portable storage slot is only for extending the internal memory - but it's also portable storage - which they can't do. (Apple wants them to pay for the iCloud so they can save pictures & video.)
Andrew <andrew@spam.net> wrote:
[...]
My Android phones are all free from T-Mobile and they all have the aux
jack, the FM radio, and the all important portable-storage sd slot.
Most iPhone users think the portable storage slot is only for extending the >> internal memory - but it's also portable storage - which they can't do.
(Apple wants them to pay for the iCloud so they can save pictures & video.)
I know you like to tout the SD card 'slot' on Android phones, but IMO using them for *portable* storage, while possible, is not very
convenient.
Much too much fiddling to get the MicroSD card out of a miniscule
'slot' or 'tray' (your Samsung Galaxy A53 probably has a 'tray' (my A51
has)) and insert it in the miniscule 'slot' or 'tray' of the destination device.
For portable storage, it's much easier to plug a (compatible)
memory-stick into the USB or Lightning port. There are many such memory-sticks, most with dual plugs of different types (USB-A, USB-C, Micro-USB, Lightning). Yes, more expensive than a MicroSD card, but
much, much more convenient.
But I understand *why* you are touting the SD card slot on Android
phones, because only Android phones have them, while the memory-stick approach also works on iDevices, so that ruins your troll! :-)
[...]
My Android phones are all free from T-Mobile and they all have the aux
jack, the FM radio, and the all important portable-storage sd slot.
Most iPhone users think the portable storage slot is only for extending the >> internal memory - but it's also portable storage - which they can't do.
(Apple wants them to pay for the iCloud so they can save pictures & video.)
I know you like to tout the SD card 'slot' on Android phones, but IMO
using them for *portable* storage, while possible, is not very
convenient.
Much too much fiddling to get the MicroSD card out of a miniscule
'slot' or 'tray' (your Samsung Galaxy A53 probably has a 'tray' (my A51
has)) and insert it in the miniscule 'slot' or 'tray' of the destination device.
For portable storage, it's much easier to plug a (compatible)
memory-stick into the USB or Lightning port. There are many such memory-sticks, most with dual plugs of different types (USB-A, USB-C, Micro-USB, Lightning).
Yes, more expensive than a MicroSD card, but
much, much more convenient.
But I understand *why* you are touting the SD card slot on Android
phones, because only Android phones have them, while the memory-stick approach also works on iDevices, so that ruins your troll! :-)
Frank Slootweg wrote on 17 May 2024 19:34:44 GMT :
My Android phones are all free from T-Mobile and they all have the auxI know you like to tout the SD card 'slot' on Android phones, but IMO
jack, the FM radio, and the all important portable-storage sd slot.
Most iPhone users think the portable storage slot is only for extending the >>> internal memory - but it's also portable storage - which they can't do.
(Apple wants them to pay for the iCloud so they can save pictures & video.) >>
using them for *portable* storage, while possible, is not very
convenient.
Thank you for understanding that I _love_ that more than half of all
Android phones in use today still have the SD slot, the aux jack and the FM radio (if not the removable battery - which I loved just as much as those).
On 2024-05-17 13:54, Andrew wrote:
Frank Slootweg wrote on 17 May 2024 19:34:44 GMT :
My Android phones are all free from T-Mobile and they all have the aux >>>> jack, the FM radio, and the all important portable-storage sd slot.
Most iPhone users think the portable storage slot is only for extending >>>> the
internal memory - but it's also portable storage - which they can't do. >>>> (Apple wants them to pay for the iCloud so they can save pictures &
video.)
I know you like to tout the SD card 'slot' on Android phones, but IMO >>> using them for *portable* storage, while possible, is not very
convenient.
Thank you for understanding that I _love_ that more than half of all
Android phones in use today still have the SD slot, the aux jack and the FM >> radio (if not the removable battery - which I loved just as much as those).
Even if nobody is using them...
Alan wrote:
On 2024-05-17 13:54, Andrew wrote:
Frank Slootweg wrote on 17 May 2024 19:34:44 GMT :
My Android phones are all free from T-Mobile and they all have the aux >>>>> jack, the FM radio, and the all important portable-storage sd slot.
Most iPhone users think the portable storage slot is only for
extending the
internal memory - but it's also portable storage - which they can't
do.
(Apple wants them to pay for the iCloud so they can save pictures &
video.)
I know you like to tout the SD card 'slot' on Android phones, but >>>> IMO
using them for *portable* storage, while possible, is not very
convenient.
Thank you for understanding that I _love_ that more than half of all
Android phones in use today still have the SD slot, the aux jack and
the FM
radio (if not the removable battery - which I loved just as much as
those).
Even if nobody is using them...
Both phones suffer from the shitty and non-user replaceable batteries.
Glued together. And the software that drops support after a few years.
Both are shitty chinese disposable devices. Pure crap.
Both are the result of pure greed.
At least apple has a thriving cult.
Alan wrote:
On 2024-05-17 13:54, Andrew wrote:
Frank Slootweg wrote on 17 May 2024 19:34:44 GMT :
My Android phones are all free from T-Mobile and they all have the
aux jack, the FM radio, and the all important portable-storage sd
slot.
Most iPhone users think the portable storage slot is only for
extending the internal memory - but it's also portable storage -
which they can't do. (Apple wants them to pay for the iCloud so
they can save pictures & video.)
I know you like to tout the SD card 'slot' on Android phones,
but IMO using them for *portable* storage, while possible, is not
very convenient.
Thank you for understanding that I _love_ that more than half of all
Android phones in use today still have the SD slot, the aux jack and
the FM radio (if not the removable battery - which I loved just as
much as those).
Even if nobody is using them...
Both phones suffer from the shitty and non-user replaceable batteries.
Glued together. And the software that drops support after a few years.
Both are shitty chinese disposable devices. Pure crap.
At least apple has a thriving cult.
Even if nobody is using them...
Both phones suffer from the shitty and non-user replaceable batteries.
Glued together.
And the software that drops support after a few years.
Both are shitty chinese disposable devices. Pure crap.
Both are the result of pure greed.
At least apple has a thriving cult.
Hank Rogers wrote on Fri, 17 May 2024 17:04:49 -0500 :
Even if nobody is using them...
Both phones suffer from the shitty and non-user replaceable batteries.
Glued together.
This is true but at least 5% of Android models still have them.
While 0% of Apple models ever had user-replaceable batteries.
And the software that drops support after a few years.
The full software support for Android is far better than iOS for a variety
of reasons which the Apple zealots would never be able to comprehend.
For example, apple zealots are completely ignorant that all Android phones (4.4 & above) are updated monthly completely seamlessly over the Internet.
<https://www.androidheadlines.com/2022/01/google-monthly-changelog-play-system-updates.html>
"Google System updates, meanwhile, are fully automated. Originally
referred to as Project Mainline, these updates fix bugs discovered
in various OS components like device connectivity, location services,
media services, Emergency alerts, and others."
Google & Samsung phones have 7 years of multi-update full support.
*Samsung Extends Android and Security Updates to 7 Years*
<https://www.cnet.com/tech/mobile/samsung-extends-android-and-security-updates-to-7-years/>
"Samsung phones now come backed with seven years' worth of
security updates and seven generations of OS upgrades."
*Google just put Apple and Samsung on notice - 7 years of software updates*
<https://www.tomsguide.com/opinion/google-pixel-8-software-updates>
"That support covers everything, including full Android updates,
the regular Pixel feature drops and security updates."
Apple only fully supports one release and one release alone.
<https://support.apple.com/guide/deployment/about-software-updates-depc4c80847a/>
Which is partially why iPhones have more than 1-1/2 times known exploits!
<https://www.cisa.gov/known-exploited-vulnerabilities-catalog>
The other part is by all accounts, Apple has the worst QA in the
industry, which was easily proven by Google's Project Zero analysis.
sms wrote:
<https://tinyurl.com/iOS-Android-Features>
✓ 123 Pages of Extensively Referenced Information with Hundreds of
Citations ✓
I wonder if nospam has gone missing because he's busy writing 123 pages
of refutations for your document...
Considering nospam's Shift keys were broken and he worked overtime to
defend Apple, maybe he was asking for more than Apple felt was worth defending their name.
For portable storage, it's much easier to plug a (compatible)
memory-stick into the USB or Lightning port. There are many such memory-sticks, most with dual plugs of different types (USB-A, USB-C, Micro-USB, Lightning). Yes, more expensive than a MicroSD card, but
much, much more convenient.
For portable storage, it's much easier to plug a (compatible)
memory-stick into the USB or Lightning port. There are many such
memory-sticks, most with dual plugs of different types (USB-A, USB-C,
Micro-USB, Lightning). Yes, more expensive than a MicroSD card, but
much, much more convenient.
And then carry around a separate device?!
If you like to store large quantities of photos, music or audiobooks or
video content on your phone then the MicroSD card expansion is great.
That said, none of the phones I currently use have a MicroSD card slot.
You're pretty much limited to very low end phones if you want a MicroSD
card slot and/or a headphone jack, with the exception of the Sony XPERIA phones (which can cost more than an iPhone Pro Max model).
sms wrote on Fri, 17 May 2024 18:22:21 -0700 :
For portable storage, it's much easier to plug a (compatible)
memory-stick into the USB or Lightning port. There are many such
memory-sticks, most with dual plugs of different types (USB-A, USB-C,
Micro-USB, Lightning). Yes, more expensive than a MicroSD card, but
much, much more convenient.
And then carry around a separate device?!
If you like to store large quantities of photos, music or audiobooks or
video content on your phone then the MicroSD card expansion is great.
That said, none of the phones I currently use have a MicroSD card slot.
Keep in mind that "portable" storage means different things, none of which
an iPhone can do, but all of which an Android phone with an sd card can do.
#1. Sure it means "expanding" the memory - but almost nobody does that
(as it's too slow and limiting in a variety of ways we all know about).
#2. And just as sure, it means "extending" the memory - but everyone knows
that also - which is what most people do to store pictures & videos.
#3. Also, just as surely, it means popping the card into another device
(usually a PC) for the purpose of backing up or moving data.
#4. But what very few people understand it also means you can swap the
card out of your old phone into your new phone and EVERYTHING works!
None of that can an iPhone do (which is one reason iPhones are severely limited, not only in lack of software functionality, but hardware too).
You're pretty much limited to very low end phones if you want a MicroSD
card slot and/or a headphone jack, with the exception of the Sony XPERIA
phones (which can cost more than an iPhone Pro Max model).
*The best Android phones with expandable memory*
<https://www.androidauthority.com/best-android-phones-expandable-memory-696913/>
Sony Xperia 1 V
MSRP: $1,399.99
Sony Xperia 10 V
MSRP: 449.00 Euros
Samsung Galaxy A55
MSRP: $470.00
Samsung Galaxy A35
MSRP: $400.00
Motorola Moto G Power 5G (2024)
MSRP: $299.99
Samsung Galaxy A15 5G
MSRP: $200.00
On 2024-05-18 05:59, Andrew wrote:
sms wrote on Fri, 17 May 2024 18:22:21 -0700 :
For portable storage, it's much easier to plug a (compatible)
memory-stick into the USB or Lightning port. There are many such
memory-sticks, most with dual plugs of different types (USB-A, USB-C,
Micro-USB, Lightning). Yes, more expensive than a MicroSD card, but
much, much more convenient.
And then carry around a separate device?!
If you like to store large quantities of photos, music or audiobooks or
video content on your phone then the MicroSD card expansion is great.
That said, none of the phones I currently use have a MicroSD card slot.
Keep in mind that "portable" storage means different things, none of which >> an iPhone can do, but all of which an Android phone with an sd card can do.
Keep in mind that that which follows is pretty much all bullshit...
#1. Sure it means "expanding" the memory - but almost nobody does that
(as it's too slow and limiting in a variety of ways we all know about).
"almost nobody does that" would mean "almost nobody does" virtual memory...
...and both Android and iOS definitely DO employ virtual memory.
#2. And just as sure, it means "extending" the memory - but everyone knows >> that also - which is what most people do to store pictures & videos.
And now the doofus mixes his use of the term "memory".
"memory" on a computing device has always been used to refer to "random access memory" which is volatile and where data is store when being access
by the CPU to execute instructions.
So MEMORY is NEVER used to "store pictures & videos": that is STORAGE.
"Storage" is used to refer to the non-volatile medium used to store data
long term.
But more on the reference to '"extending" the memory' in a moment.
#3. Also, just as surely, it means popping the card into another device
(usually a PC) for the purpose of backing up or moving data.
Hmmmmm...
If you "extend" the "memory" (actually storage)...
...wouldn't that mean that only SOME of the data is on the removable storage?
#4. But what very few people understand it also means you can swap the
card out of your old phone into your new phone and EVERYTHING works!
And wouldn't it also mean that "EVERYTHING" isn't ON the removable storage?
None of that can an iPhone do (which is one reason iPhones are severely
limited, not only in lack of software functionality, but hardware too).
My iPhone backs itself up to the cloud, but if I preferred, I could have it back up to my computer.
You're pretty much limited to very low end phones if you want a MicroSD
card slot and/or a headphone jack, with the exception of the Sony XPERIA >>> phones (which can cost more than an iPhone Pro Max model).
*The best Android phones with expandable memory*
Storage not memory.
<https://www.androidauthority.com/best-android-phones-expandable-memory-696913/>
Sony Xperia 1 V
MSRP: $1,399.99
So to transfer between devices as you suggest...
...you have to disable your phone twice (once to take it out, once to put
it back in)...
...because:
'microSDXC (uses shared SIM slot)'
Sony Xperia 10 V
MSRP: 449.00 Euros
Same.
Samsung Galaxy A55
MSRP: $470.00
Same.
Samsung Galaxy A35
MSRP: $400.00
Same.
Motorola Moto G Power 5G (2024)
MSRP: $299.99
At least this one has a dedicated slot...
Samsung Galaxy A15 5G
MSRP: $200.00
...but then we're back to a slot shared with the SIM!
And having to temporarily deactivate the phone's most important functions just to transfer data seems...
...pretty impractical to me.
And to put it in perspective, less than a quarter of the Android phones released in the last 3 years have separate card slots for storage.
And only about 60% have any kind of storage card support at all.
Alan wrote:
On 2024-05-18 05:59, Andrew wrote:
sms wrote on Fri, 17 May 2024 18:22:21 -0700 :
Keep in mind that "portable" storage means different things, none ofFor portable storage, it's much easier to plug a (compatible) >>>>> memory-stick into the USB or Lightning port. There are many such
memory-sticks, most with dual plugs of different types (USB-A, USB-C, >>>>> Micro-USB, Lightning). Yes, more expensive than a MicroSD card, but
much, much more convenient.
And then carry around a separate device?!
If you like to store large quantities of photos, music or audiobooks or >>>> video content on your phone then the MicroSD card expansion is great.
That said, none of the phones I currently use have a MicroSD card slot. >>>
which
an iPhone can do, but all of which an Android phone with an sd card
can do.
Keep in mind that that which follows is pretty much all bullshit...
#1. Sure it means "expanding" the memory - but almost nobody does that
(as it's too slow and limiting in a variety of ways we all know >>> about).
"almost nobody does that" would mean "almost nobody does" virtual
memory...
...and both Android and iOS definitely DO employ virtual memory.
#2. And just as sure, it means "extending" the memory - but everyone
knows
that also - which is what most people do to store pictures &
videos.
And now the doofus mixes his use of the term "memory".
"memory" on a computing device has always been used to refer to
"random access memory" which is volatile and where data is store when
being access by the CPU to execute instructions.
So MEMORY is NEVER used to "store pictures & videos": that is STORAGE.
"Storage" is used to refer to the non-volatile medium used to store
data long term.
But more on the reference to '"extending" the memory' in a moment.
#3. Also, just as surely, it means popping the card into another device
(usually a PC) for the purpose of backing up or moving data.
Hmmmmm...
If you "extend" the "memory" (actually storage)...
...wouldn't that mean that only SOME of the data is on the removable
storage?
#4. But what very few people understand it also means you can swap the
card out of your old phone into your new phone and EVERYTHING
works!
And wouldn't it also mean that "EVERYTHING" isn't ON the removable
storage?
None of that can an iPhone do (which is one reason iPhones are severely
limited, not only in lack of software functionality, but hardware too).
My iPhone backs itself up to the cloud, but if I preferred, I could
have it back up to my computer.
You're pretty much limited to very low end phones if you want a MicroSD >>>> card slot and/or a headphone jack, with the exception of the Sony
XPERIA
phones (which can cost more than an iPhone Pro Max model).
*The best Android phones with expandable memory*
Storage not memory.
<https://www.androidauthority.com/best-android-phones-expandable-memory-696913/>
Sony Xperia 1 V
MSRP: $1,399.99
So to transfer between devices as you suggest...
...you have to disable your phone twice (once to take it out, once to
put it back in)...
...because:
'microSDXC (uses shared SIM slot)'
Sony Xperia 10 V
MSRP: 449.00 Euros
Same.
Samsung Galaxy A55
MSRP: $470.00
Same.
Samsung Galaxy A35
MSRP: $400.00
Same.
Motorola Moto G Power 5G (2024)
MSRP: $299.99
At least this one has a dedicated slot...
Samsung Galaxy A15 5G
MSRP: $200.00
...but then we're back to a slot shared with the SIM!
And having to temporarily deactivate the phone's most important
functions just to transfer data seems...
...pretty impractical to me.
And to put it in perspective, less than a quarter of the Android
phones released in the last 3 years have separate card slots for storage.
And only about 60% have any kind of storage card support at all.
Did any early iphones ever support storage cards? I never had iphone
till 2021 (SE2020 model). Never had an android either.
My iphone does have a really slow primitive lightning port that works
with old usb2 flash drives. I had to buy the special apple gadget that
allows using a flash drive or camera on the lightening port. No usb3
speed. Why the hell do they call something this slow "lightning"? It's
also real clumsy with the files app, but it does actually work if you
are persistent. Not really worth the effort.
But the phone works really well. Reminds me of my first computer in
1982, an Ohio Scientific single board with 6502 microprocessor running
at 1 Mhz. (no storage card either, just 300 baud cassette tape)
I just use all apple garden supplied stuff. iCloud, apple account, app
store, iTunes, etc. It's a hell of a lot easier that way. Too much work
to try to use any other way. I have never done a "jailbreak", nor even
peeked over the garden wall.
I can say it works very well, but sometimes I feel like I am in the year
1980 when I power on my trusty iphone. Still, it works, so I'm not
whining, I just take it for what it is ... as reliable as any modern
pocket "telephone".
On 5/17/2024 12:34 PM, Frank Slootweg wrote:
<snip>
For portable storage, it's much easier to plug a (compatible) memory-stick into the USB or Lightning port. There are many such memory-sticks, most with dual plugs of different types (USB-A, USB-C, Micro-USB, Lightning). Yes, more expensive than a MicroSD card, but
much, much more convenient.
And then carry around a separate device?!
sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:
On 5/17/2024 12:34 PM, Frank Slootweg wrote:
<snip>
For portable storage, it's much easier to plug a (compatible)
memory-stick into the USB or Lightning port. There are many such
memory-sticks, most with dual plugs of different types (USB-A, USB-C,
Micro-USB, Lightning). Yes, more expensive than a MicroSD card, but
much, much more convenient.
And then carry around a separate device?!
I interpreted 'Arlen''s "portable storage" as a sneaker-net mechanism, copying a bunch of files from device X to device Y, where X and Y can be
any device which can handle MicroSD cards.
(IM) For *that*, a memory-stick is much more conevenient than fiddling with tiny MicroSD cards and tiny 'slots'/'trays'.
But meanwhile 'Arlen' has explained that he uses the MicroSD card to
move a complete file system from and 'old' phone to a 'new' one. So he
is not copying files, but moving a complete file system.
That is a very specific use of the MicroSD card feature, not something
I would have described with a general term like "portable storage".
[...]
And then carry around a separate device?!
I interpreted his "portable storage" as a sneaker-net mechanism,
copying a bunch of files from device X to device Y, where X and Y can be
any device which can handle MicroSD cards.
(IM) For *that*, a memory-stick is much more conevenient than fiddling
with tiny MicroSD cards and tiny 'slots'/'trays'.
But meanwhile he has explained that he uses the MicroSD card to
move a complete file system from and 'old' phone to a 'new' one. So he
is not copying files, but moving a complete file system.
That is a very specific use of the MicroSD card feature, not something
I would have described with a general term like "portable storage".
Frank Slootweg wrote on 19 May 2024 10:02:46 GMT :
And then carry around a separate device?!
I interpreted his "portable storage" as a sneaker-net mechanism,
copying a bunch of files from device X to device Y, where X and Y
can be any device which can handle MicroSD cards.
(IM) For *that*, a memory-stick is much more conevenient than
fiddling with tiny MicroSD cards and tiny 'slots'/'trays'.
But meanwhile he has explained that he uses the MicroSD card to
move a complete file system from and 'old' phone to a 'new' one. So
he is not copying files, but moving a complete file system.
That is a very specific use of the MicroSD card feature, not
something I would have described with a general term like "portable
storage".
This is so basic that it's shocking that the Apple people don't know
it.
SD cards are storage devices, nothing more. Everyone is aware they exist
and how they work, Arlen. In fact, Macs have supported them for many,
many years. Again, they know. They just don't care. And you're obsessed
with them.
This is so basic that it's shocking that the Apple people don't know
it.
Narrator: They know. They just don't care.
Jolly Roger wrote on 19 May 2024 19:02:53 GMT :
This is so basic that it's shocking that the Apple people don't know
it.
Narrator: They know. They just don't care.
I doubt the Apple users are aware of the enormous power of sd cards.
Jolly Roger wrote on 19 May 2024 19:27:23 GMT :
SD cards are storage devices, nothing more. Everyone is aware they
exist and how they work, Arlen. In fact, Macs have supported them for
many, many years. Again, they know. They just don't care. And you're
obsessed with them.
Then you agree that a phone without sd can't do what a phone with sd
can.
A device with an SD card slot can store things on an SD card - something iPhone users couldn't care less about. The only reason you are obsessing about SD cards is because Apple chooses not to add SD card slots on
iPhones. It's your weak attempt at trolling, as usual.
Jolly Roger wrote on 19 May 2024 19:32:25 GMT :
A device with an SD card slot can store things on an SD card -
something iPhone users couldn't care less about. The only reason you
are obsessing about SD cards is because Apple chooses not to add SD
card slots on iPhones. It's your weak attempt at trolling, as usual.
All my APKs blah blah blah
iPhone === dumb terminal
Jolly Roger wrote on 19 May 2024 19:32:25 GMT :
A device with an SD card slot can store things on an SD card - something
iPhone users couldn't care less about. The only reason you are obsessing
about SD cards is because Apple chooses not to add SD card slots on
iPhones. It's your weak attempt at trolling, as usual.
All my APKs (every app, every version) are automatically stored on my sd
card at the time of installation, Jolly Roger, such that I can repopulate
any other Android on the planet simply by popping the card into that phone.
Can an iPhone do that?
I have my homescreen backed up to the sd card, Jolly Roger, with all folder names and locations, and all app shortcut names and locations Jolly Roger,
so everything is on the phone if the phone needs to be factory reset and everything is portable to another phone should I want to populate it.
Can an iPhone do that?
I can easily double or triple the internal storage capacity for my media
and data files using an inexpensive sd card any time that sd get better
over time - thereby extending the useful life of any phone with sd cards.
Can an iPhone do that?
The fact is an iPhone is nothing but a dumb terminal that can't do half of that while the other half requires logging into Apple's mainframe servers.
On 2024-05-17 17:26, Andrew wrote:
Hank Rogers wrote on Fri, 17 May 2024 17:04:49 -0500 :
Even if nobody is using them...
Both phones suffer from the shitty and non-user replaceable batteries.
Glued together.
This is true but at least 5% of Android models still have them.
While 0% of Apple models ever had user-replaceable batteries.
Which is irrelevant.
And the software that drops support after a few years.
The full software support for Android is far better than iOS for a
variety
of reasons which the Apple zealots would never be able to comprehend.
No... ...it's really not.
For example, apple zealots are completely ignorant that all Android
phones
(4.4 & above) are updated monthly completely seamlessly over the
Internet.
<https://www.androidheadlines.com/2022/01/google-monthly-changelog-play-system-updates.html>
"Google System updates, meanwhile, are fully automated. Originally
referred to as Project Mainline, these updates fix bugs discovered
in various OS components like device connectivity, location services, >> media services, Emergency alerts, and others."
Is that every single update?
Don't you tout the wonder of being able to load software from anywhere?
Google & Samsung phones have 7 years of multi-update full support.
*Samsung Extends Android and Security Updates to 7 Years*
<https://www.cnet.com/tech/mobile/samsung-extends-android-and-security-updates-to-7-years/>
"Samsung phones now come backed with seven years' worth of
security updates and seven generations of OS upgrades."
That's only for their latest phones.
Apple has mostly supported it's phones for longer than Samsung OR Google.
*Google just put Apple and Samsung on notice - 7 years of software
updates*
-hh wrote on Wed, 22 May 2024 11:07:01 -0400 :
Which is irrelevant.
Indeed. All that saying that ~95% of Android products have moved along
to current design philosophies, while the last 5% haven't.
You missed the point of having choices that Apple never gives users
(mainly because there are few companies as anti-consumer as Apple is).
It would take
some more research to determine if these holdouts are actually still in
production (and for what market segment) or if they're now down to "New
Old Stock" that's still available for sale.
Those were phones on sale at the time that the search was run.
What's relevant is if you're on Android & you want an sd card or an aux
jack or an FM radio, you can extremely easily find a model today with them, (since about half of Android phones sold today have one or more of them).
Unfortunately, it also means that if you want a user-removable battery,
then your choices are severely limited.
But it also shows Android hardware is always better than iPhone hardware (because Apple gives you no choice for any of those 4 hardware features).
Which is irrelevant.
Indeed. All that saying that ~95% of Android products have moved along
to current design philosophies, while the last 5% haven't.
It would take
some more research to determine if these holdouts are actually still in production (and for what market segment) or if they're now down to "New
Old Stock" that's still available for sale.
And the software that drops support after a few years.
The full software support for Android is far better than iOS for a
variety
of reasons which the Apple zealots would never be able to comprehend.
No... ...it's really not.
This doesn't actually matter, because fundamentally, its not a profound statement: by literal definition as per set theory, no subset of a
whole can ever be greater than the whole from which it was a subset.
As such, just what does 'full software support' really mean?
Its only
of value if every Android smartphone sold is capable of using the 'full' breadth of this software set (which is dang near impossible) and then
also only if this 'full' set is materially different (better) than
software sets from other providers (eg, Apple iOS).
Plus the Law of
Diminishing Returns applies too: just because something is "N+1" larger doesn't mean that the "+1" increment is also significant. To use a
analogy, $10,000,001 is pedantically "more money" than $10,000,000, but
that extra dollar doesn't make this difference be significant.
Apple has mostly supported it's phones for longer than Samsung OR Google.
Yes, that's been their track record history.
*Google just put Apple and Samsung on notice - 7 years of software
updates*
These "7 years" announcements were clearly made to try to have their
products be better able to compete against Apple.
Plus they're merely promises of future performance which remains yet to
be seen as achievable in real world practice. Let's wait to see what
their respective SEC filings say about these initiatives.
-hh wrote on Wed, 22 May 2024 11:07:01 -0400 :
Which is irrelevant.
Indeed. All that saying that ~95% of Android products have moved along
to current design philosophies, while the last 5% haven't.
You missed the point of having choices that Apple never gives users
(mainly because there are few companies as anti-consumer as Apple is).
It would take
some more research to determine if these holdouts are actually still in
production (and for what market segment) or if they're now down to "New
Old Stock" that's still available for sale.
Those were phones on sale at the time that the search was run.
What's relevant is if you're on Android & you want an sd card or an aux
jack or an FM radio, you can extremely easily find a model today with them, (since about half of Android phones sold today have one or more of them).
Unfortunately, it also means that if you want a user-removable battery,
then your choices are severely limited.
But it also shows Android hardware is always better than iPhone hardware (because Apple gives you no choice for any of those 4 hardware features).
And the software that drops support after a few years.
The full software support for Android is far better than iOS for a
variety
of reasons which the Apple zealots would never be able to comprehend.
No... ...it's really not.
This doesn't actually matter, because fundamentally, its not a profound
statement: by literal definition as per set theory, no subset of a
whole can ever be greater than the whole from which it was a subset.
Au contraire... given Apple's hotfix support is the worst in the industry, you're only saying bugfix support isn't important because it's not there.
I've not read the fine print because I'm not a fanboy, nor have I everAs such, just what does 'full software support' really mean?
It's no longer shocking you didn't read Apple's own definition of full support, given you Apple religious zealots not only know nothing of Apple products - but you "think" you know everything about Android & iOS.
Its only
of value if every Android smartphone sold is capable of using the 'full'
breadth of this software set (which is dang near impossible) and then
also only if this 'full' set is materially different (better) than
software sets from other providers (eg, Apple iOS).
Idiot. You're making lame excuses for Apple only patching all the bugs it knows about in only the latest iOS or mac release - which are dumb excuses.
Apple's bugfix support for operating systems is the worst in the industry.
Plus the Law of
Diminishing Returns applies too: just because something is "N+1" larger
doesn't mean that the "+1" increment is also significant. To use a
analogy, $10,000,001 is pedantically "more money" than $10,000,000, but
that extra dollar doesn't make this difference be significant.
You didn't even read Apple's own explanation that they never patch all the hole in operating systems that they know exist - except the latest OS only.
Apple has mostly supported it's phones for longer than Samsung OR Google. >>Yes, that's been their track record history.
Apple's operating system support has _always_ been the worst in the
industry. The only reason you don't know that is you don't know what Apple says about Apple NOT PATCHING all known bugs in any release but the latest.
days may� *Google just put Apple and Samsung on notice - 7 years of software >>>> updates*
These "7 years" announcements were clearly made to try to have their
products be better able to compete against Apple.
Plus they're merely promises of future performance which remains yet to
be seen as achievable in real world practice. Let's wait to see what
their respective SEC filings say about these initiatives.
Why do you think the iPhone historically always has had more than twice the zero-day holes and more than 1-1/2 times the exploits of Android? > Do you think the fact the iPhone is exploited more and has more 0
be because Apple's hotfix support is the worst in the industry perhaps?
See references in the sig since I speak facts about Apple & Android.
You missed the point of having choices that Apple never gives users
(mainly because there are few companies as anti-consumer as Apple is).
Since the rest of the Industry (well, 95%) has adopted the same design choice, it really isn't as tyrannical of Apple as you're trying to make
it out to be. It is more indicative of Apple appropriately identifying
a "where the puck is going to be".
It would take
some more research to determine if these holdouts are actually still in
production (and for what market segment) or if they're now down to "New
Old Stock" that's still available for sale.
Those were phones on sale at the time that the search was run.
I'm aware of that. Now go back and check to see how many of those were actually --> still in production <-- versus being obsolete stock that
was merely still available for sale.
What's relevant is if you're on Android & you want an sd card or an aux
jack or an FM radio, you can extremely easily find a model today with them, >> (since about half of Android phones sold today have one or more of them).
Incorrect, because your claim also means ~half have none of these
features too. And what have all three? Probably just a tiny fraction.
Once again, you're just not being successful in identifying if any of
these product feature are integral to product success in the, to
demonstrate if Apple's disinclination towards them is "anti-consumer".
Indeed, if they were as much of a "pro consumer" differentiator as
you're trying to imply, then the fraction of Androids which featured all three should be quite large. It isn't.
Unfortunately, it also means that if you want a user-removable battery,
then your choices are severely limited.
But it also shows Android hardware is always better than iPhone hardware
(because Apple gives you no choice for any of those 4 hardware features).
But 95% of Android doesn't offer that choice either, so that feature is simply not an indicator. Especially since you've not been able to show
if the 5% residual is actually still in production, as opposed to left
over inventory.
No... ...it's really not.And the software that drops support after a few years.
The full software support for Android is far better than iOS for a
variety
of reasons which the Apple zealots would never be able to comprehend. >>>>
This doesn't actually matter, because fundamentally, its not a profound
statement: by literal definition as per set theory, no subset of a
whole can ever be greater than the whole from which it was a subset.
Au contraire... given Apple's hotfix support is the worst in the industry, >> you're only saying bugfix support isn't important because it's not there.
Just what is "hotfix" supposed to mean here? And why is it now being introduced as a new Goalpost?
I've not read the fine print because I'm not a fanboy, nor have I everAs such, just what does 'full software support' really mean?
It's no longer shocking you didn't read Apple's own definition of full
support, given you Apple religious zealots not only know nothing of Apple
products - but you "think" you know everything about Android & iOS.
had any issues or troubles from their current & historical level of
product support: I'm predominantly going by what you've tried to brag
about, which I see as evidence of Android/Google trying to catch up.
Its only
of value if every Android smartphone sold is capable of using the 'full' >>> breadth of this software set (which is dang near impossible) and then
also only if this 'full' set is materially different (better) than
software sets from other providers (eg, Apple iOS).
Idiot. You're making lame excuses for Apple only patching all the bugs it
knows about in only the latest iOS or mac release - which are dumb excuses.
How can any software developer patch bugs that they don't know about?
Or are you trying to criticize the entire industry for their practice of sun-setting support on old obsolete & superseded software that's if its
used by anyone at all, its <0.0001% of the installed base?
If so, show us the dates of the latest bug & security updates for
Android OS versions 1 (2008) through 6 (2015): I'm sure that there's
been zero for the past five years, if not longer.
Apple's bugfix support for operating systems is the worst in the industry.
Unsubstantiated claim. Golly, how about that.
Plus the Law of
Diminishing Returns applies too: just because something is "N+1" larger
doesn't mean that the "+1" increment is also significant. To use a
analogy, $10,000,001 is pedantically "more money" than $10,000,000, but
that extra dollar doesn't make this difference be significant.
You didn't even read Apple's own explanation that they never patch all the >> hole in operating systems that they know exist - except the latest OS only.
You're correct that I didn't bother to read that, because all that one
has to do to mitigate whatever theoretical risk you're concerned about
is just to maintain one's equipment to the latest OS. Since MacOS and
iOS updates from Apple are free of charge, there's few reasons not to.
Apple has mostly supported it's phones for longer than Samsung OR Google. >>>Yes, that's been their track record history.
Apple's operating system support has _always_ been the worst in the
industry. The only reason you don't know that is you don't know what Apple >> says about Apple NOT PATCHING all known bugs in any release but the latest.
Unsubstantiated claim. Again. Golly, how about that.
See references in the sig since I speak facts about Apple & Android.
No need to, as you clearly don't sufficiently understand the industry.
Indeed. All that saying that ~95% of Android products have moved along
to current design philosophies, while the last 5% haven't. It would take
some more research to determine if these holdouts are actually still in production (and for what market segment) or if they're now down to "New
Old Stock" that's still available for sale.
On 5/22/2024 8:07 AM, -hh wrote:
<snip>
Indeed. All that saying that ~95% of Android products have moved
along to current design philosophies, while the last 5% haven't. It
would take some more research to determine if these holdouts are
actually still in production (and for what market segment) or if
they're now down to "New Old Stock" that's still available for sale.
Thankfully, one iPhone philosophy, only on U.S. models, has not been
adopted by any Android phone manufacturers, and that's the decontenting
of the physical SIM slot. This loss is a a royal PITA if you're
traveling outside the U.S. and want to buy a local SIM card complete
with a phone number. While foreign data-only eSIMs are readily available
for travelers, travel eSIMs that include an actual phone number, are few
and far between.
My sister's boyfriend had his iPhone 12 stolen in Paris and he needed to
buy a new iPhone. He had a hard time finding an iPhone 13 since there
was such a rush on the 13 when the 14 came out. He travels a lot and
needs to use a physical foreign SIM.
-hh wrote on Fri, 24 May 2024 10:30:57 -0400 :
You're so desperate to excuse Apple's well-known anti-consumer stance that you brazen fabricate out of thin air that more than half is, now, only 5%?You missed the point of having choices that Apple never gives usersSince the rest of the Industry (well, 95%) has adopted the same design
(mainly because there are few companies as anti-consumer as Apple is).
choice, it really isn't as tyrannical of Apple as you're trying to make
it out to be. It is more indicative of Apple appropriately identifying
a "where the puck is going to be".
Those are recent figures which you hate because Apple has never suppliedI'm aware of that. Now go back and check to see how many of those wereIt would takeThose were phones on sale at the time that the search was run.
some more research to determine if these holdouts are actually still in >>>> production (and for what market segment) or if they're now down to "New >>>> Old Stock" that's still available for sale.
actually --> still in production <-- versus being obsolete stock that
was merely still available for sale.
the user with basic hardware functionality that Android always enjoyed.
It's no longer shocking how...What's relevant is if you're on Android & you want an sd card or an auxfeatures too. And what have all three? Probably just a tiny fraction.
jack or an FM radio, you can extremely easily find a model today with them, >>> (since about half of Android phones sold today have one or more of them). >> Incorrect, because your claim also means ~half have none of these
Once again, you're just not being successful in identifying if any of
these product feature are integral to product success in the, to
demonstrate if Apple's disinclination towards them is "anti-consumer".
Indeed, if they were as much of a "pro consumer" differentiator as
you're trying to imply, then the fraction of Androids which featured all
three should be quite large. It isn't.
On 2024-05-24 09:44, sms wrote:
On 5/22/2024 8:07 AM, -hh wrote:
<snip>
Indeed. All that saying that ~95% of Android products have moved
along to current design philosophies, while the last 5% haven't. It
would take some more research to determine if these holdouts are
actually still in production (and for what market segment) or if
they're now down to "New Old Stock" that's still available for sale.
Thankfully, one iPhone philosophy, only on U.S. models, has not been
adopted by any Android phone manufacturers, and that's the
decontenting of the physical SIM slot. This loss is a a royal PITA if
you're traveling outside the U.S. and want to buy a local SIM card
complete with a phone number. While foreign data-only eSIMs are
readily available for travelers, travel eSIMs that include an actual
phone number, are few and far between.
My sister's boyfriend had his iPhone 12 stolen in Paris and he needed
to buy a new iPhone. He had a hard time finding an iPhone 13 since
there was such a rush on the 13 when the 14 came out. He travels a lot
and needs to use a physical foreign SIM.
You not understanding the physical SIMs can be made in to eSIMs is not
the world's problem.
-hh wrote on Fri, 24 May 2024 10:30:57 -0400 :
You missed the point of having choices that Apple never gives users
(mainly because there are few companies as anti-consumer as Apple is).
Since the rest of the Industry (well, 95%) has adopted the same design
choice, it really isn't as tyrannical of Apple as you're trying to make
it out to be. It is more indicative of Apple appropriately identifying
a "where the puck is going to be".
You're so desperate to excuse Apple's well-known anti-consumer stance that you brazen fabricate out of thin air that more than half is, now, only 5%?
It would take
some more research to determine if these holdouts are actually still in >>>> production (and for what market segment) or if they're now down to "New >>>> Old Stock" that's still available for sale.
Those were phones on sale at the time that the search was run.
I'm aware of that. Now go back and check to see how many of those were
actually --> still in production <-- versus being obsolete stock that
was merely still available for sale.
Those are recent figures which you hate because Apple has never supplied
the user with basic hardware functionality that Android always enjoyed.
What's relevant is if you're on Android & you want an sd card or an auxIncorrect, because your claim also means ~half have none of these
jack or an FM radio, you can extremely easily find a model today with them, >>> (since about half of Android phones sold today have one or more of them). >>
features too. And what have all three? Probably just a tiny fraction.
Once again, you're just not being successful in identifying if any of
these product feature are integral to product success in the, to
demonstrate if Apple's disinclination towards them is "anti-consumer".
Indeed, if they were as much of a "pro consumer" differentiator as
you're trying to imply, then the fraction of Androids which featured all
three should be quite large. It isn't.
It's no longer shocking how desperate you Apple religious zealots are to defend that Apple has never supplied you with basic hardware functionality.
Unfortunately, it also means that if you want a user-removable battery,But 95% of Android doesn't offer that choice either, so that feature is
then your choices are severely limited.
But it also shows Android hardware is always better than iPhone hardware >>> (because Apple gives you no choice for any of those 4 hardware features). >>
simply not an indicator. Especially since you've not been able to show
if the 5% residual is actually still in production, as opposed to left
over inventory.
It's no longer amazing how desperate you are to defend that cheap iPhone which has never had even the most basic of standard hardware functionality.
Just what is "hotfix" supposed to mean here? And why is it now beingNo... ...it's really not.And the software that drops support after a few years.
The full software support for Android is far better than iOS for a >>>>>> variety
of reasons which the Apple zealots would never be able to comprehend. >>>>>
This doesn't actually matter, because fundamentally, its not a profound >>>> statement: by literal definition as per set theory, no subset of a
whole can ever be greater than the whole from which it was a subset.
Au contraire... given Apple's hotfix support is the worst in the industry, >>> you're only saying bugfix support isn't important because it's not there. >>
introduced as a new Goalpost?
You zealots are so desperate to defend Apple's worst support in the
industry that you claim you don't even know what a bug fix is?
I've not read the fine print because I'm not a fanboy, nor have I everAs such, just what does 'full software support' really mean?
It's no longer shocking you didn't read Apple's own definition of full
support, given you Apple religious zealots not only know nothing of Apple >>> products - but you "think" you know everything about Android & iOS.
had any issues or troubles from their current & historical level of
product support: I'm predominantly going by what you've tried to brag
about, which I see as evidence of Android/Google trying to catch up.
You're too desperate. Fixing all the known bugs is not fine print.
Fixing all known bugs is what everyone does for multiple releases.
*Except Apple*
Only Apple only fixes all the bugs it knows about in only one release.
*Apple has the worst support in the industry*
How can any software developer patch bugs that they don't know about?Its only
of value if every Android smartphone sold is capable of using the 'full' >>>> breadth of this software set (which is dang near impossible) and then
also only if this 'full' set is materially different (better) than
software sets from other providers (eg, Apple iOS).
Idiot. You're making lame excuses for Apple only patching all the bugs it >>> knows about in only the latest iOS or mac release - which are dumb excuses. >>
Or are you trying to criticize the entire industry for their practice of
sun-setting support on old obsolete & superseded software that's if its
used by anyone at all, its <0.0001% of the installed base?
If so, show us the dates of the latest bug & security updates for
Android OS versions 1 (2008) through 6 (2015): I'm sure that there's
been zero for the past five years, if not longer.
You are defending what is known to be the absolute worst support in the industry & you don't even understand how iOS or Android update.
Apple's bugfix support for operating systems is the worst in the industry. >>Unsubstantiated claim. Golly, how about that.
Read the cites. Every operating system except Apple's patches all bugs they know about in multiple releases. Only Apple doesn't. That's just a fact.
<https://screenrant.com/apple-product-security-update-lifespan/> <https://hothardware.com/news/apple-admits-only-fully-patches-security-flaws-in-latest-os-releases>
<https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2022/10/apple-clarifies-security-update-policy-only-the-latest-oses-are-fully-patched/>
You're correct that I didn't bother to read that, because all that onePlus the Law of
Diminishing Returns applies too: just because something is "N+1" larger >>>> doesn't mean that the "+1" increment is also significant. To use a
analogy, $10,000,001 is pedantically "more money" than $10,000,000, but >>>> that extra dollar doesn't make this difference be significant.
You didn't even read Apple's own explanation that they never patch all the >>> hole in operating systems that they know exist - except the latest OS only. >>
has to do to mitigate whatever theoretical risk you're concerned about
is just to maintain one's equipment to the latest OS. Since MacOS and
iOS updates from Apple are free of charge, there's few reasons not to.
It's no longer shocking you Apple religious zealots deny even what Apple
said about their hotfix support being the worst in the industry bar none. <https://support.apple.com/guide/deployment/about-software-updates-depc4c80847a/>
Unsubstantiated claim. Again. Golly, how about that.Apple has mostly supported it's phones for longer than Samsung OR Google. >>>>Yes, that's been their track record history.
Apple's operating system support has _always_ been the worst in the
industry. The only reason you don't know that is you don't know what Apple >>> says about Apple NOT PATCHING all known bugs in any release but the latest. >>
And yet, I provided the cites which prove only Apple patches all the bugs
it knows about only in a single release while nobody's support is that bad.
Samsung and Google support 7 years of operating system updates
and 7 years of security updates to the operating system, Jolly Roger.
*Samsung Extends Android and Security Updates to 7 Years*
<https://www.cnet.com/tech/mobile/samsung-extends-android-and-security-updates-to-7-years/>
"Samsung phones now come backed with seven years' worth of
security updates and seven generations of OS upgrades. >
*Google fixes all known bugs for 7 years of software updates*
<https://www.tomsguide.com/opinion/google-pixel-8-software-updates>
"That support covers everything, including full Android updates,
the regular Pixel feature drops and security updates."
In addition, for billions of Android devices, Google has been updating
_all_ of those over version 4.4 for years! Monthly. Forever.
<https://www.androidheadlines.com/2022/01/google-monthly-changelog-play-system-updates.html>
"Google System updates, meanwhile, are fully automated. Originally
referred to as Project Mainline, these updates fix bugs discovered
in various OS components like device connectivity, location services,
media services, Emergency alerts, and others."
It's so seamless, most Android users don't even know it.
There's a reason iPhones are the most exploited phones in phone history?
<https://www.cisa.gov/known-exploited-vulnerabilities-catalog>
It's because Apple's support is well known to be the worst in the industry.
See references in the sig since I speak facts about Apple & Android.
No need to, as you clearly don't sufficiently understand the industry.
Heh heh heh... there's a reason I say about you Apple zealots what I do.
On 5/24/24 9:08 PM, Alan wrote:
You not understanding the physical SIMs can be made in to eSIMs is not
the world's problem.
I wasn't aware of this .. if one buys a physical SIM in a random foreign smokeshop (or whatever), what's the process for entering into an
eSIM-only smartphone like?
On 5/24/24 9:08 PM, Alan wrote:
On 2024-05-24 09:44, sms wrote:
On 5/22/2024 8:07 AM, -hh wrote:
<snip>
Indeed. All that saying that ~95% of Android products have moved
along to current design philosophies, while the last 5% haven't. It
would take some more research to determine if these holdouts are
actually still in production (and for what market segment) or if
they're now down to "New Old Stock" that's still available for sale.
Thankfully, one iPhone philosophy, only on U.S. models, has not been
adopted by any Android phone manufacturers, and that's the
decontenting of the physical SIM slot. This loss is a a royal PITA if
you're traveling outside the U.S. and want to buy a local SIM card
complete with a phone number. While foreign data-only eSIMs are
readily available for travelers, travel eSIMs that include an actual
phone number, are few and far between.
My sister's boyfriend had his iPhone 12 stolen in Paris and he needed
to buy a new iPhone. He had a hard time finding an iPhone 13 since
there was such a rush on the 13 when the 14 came out. He travels a
lot and needs to use a physical foreign SIM.
You not understanding the physical SIMs can be made in to eSIMs is not
the world's problem.
I wasn't aware of this .. if one buys a physical SIM in a random foreign smokeshop (or whatever), what's the process for entering into an
eSIM-only smartphone like?
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