• need an app to turn off the whole phone after user-selected time.

    From micky@21:1/5 to All on Sat May 25 16:34:18 2024
    I need an app to turn off the whole phone after user-selected time.

    I have used Tune-in, complete with all its advertising, to play webraido
    for a user-selected time up to 120 minute and turn off, but I'd like the
    phone to turn off completely.


    Because some people, but not especially on this ng, think one should
    only post after googling, at which time you often no longer need to
    post, I googled first, and found one app*** that seems to require
    installing the accessiblity app and then writing code to use it! I can
    do that with enough time but I was hoping for somethig a lot simpler.

    ***It's called Timed Shutdown. It's very complicated. Just wanted to
    comment on one strange thing. It required installing accessibilty, and
    when i did that,
    on my Xiaomi Redmi Note 8 Pro running iiuc Android v11
    the little man with outstretched arms icon for accessibilty appeared on
    the very bottom line at the far right, which is fine, but in the bottom
    row of app icons, which had 4 default icons, the right-most was Camera,
    and it disappeared, leaving only 3 of them (Phone, text, Chrome)!!! I
    finally found the Camera icon several pages into my phone.

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  • From Andrew@21:1/5 to micky on Sun May 26 00:57:28 2024
    micky wrote on Sat, 25 May 2024 16:34:18 -0400 :

    I need an app to turn off the whole phone after user-selected time.

    I don't use an app to do that but I understand your question, I think.

    My first thought to help you would be tasker/automate but they take work.
    <https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.llamalab.automate>
    <https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=net.dinglisch.android.taskerm>

    Even I don't feel like figuring out how to automate that stuff, so that's
    only my first guess at an answer.

    My second guess will be based on a search... which I'll run for you now.

    Note: I probably am the best on this newsgroup for searches for free apps
    with no ads, but I haven't tested these apps so you need to test the
    no-root one below.

    I just found them for you but it seems the best apps require root.
    <https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.reachcoding.timetoshutdown>
    (Some engines say it's in the Google Play Store, but others don't.)

    What do you think about this no-root shutdown-timer app?
    <https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.maforn.timedshutdown>

    Note: I have not tested these apps (and my phone isn't rooted).

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  • From micky@21:1/5 to andrew@spam.net on Sat May 25 22:21:04 2024
    In comp.mobile.android, on Sun, 26 May 2024 00:57:28 -0000 (UTC), Andrew <andrew@spam.net> wrote:

    micky wrote on Sat, 25 May 2024 16:34:18 -0400 :

    I need an app to turn off the whole phone after user-selected time.

    I don't use an app to do that but I understand your question, I think.

    My first thought to help you would be tasker/automate but they take work.
    <https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.llamalab.automate> <https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=net.dinglisch.android.taskerm>

    Even I don't feel like figuring out how to automate that stuff, so that's >only my first guess at an answer.

    My second guess will be based on a search... which I'll run for you now.

    Note: I probably am the best on this newsgroup for searches for free apps >with no ads, but I haven't tested these apps so you need to test the
    no-root one below.

    I just found them for you but it seems the best apps require root.
    <https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.reachcoding.timetoshutdown>
    (Some engines say it's in the Google Play Store, but others don't.)


    Mine says not found but I searched on timedshutdown.

    I should have searched on Shutdown after I found the first app.

    So I did: https://play.google.com/store/search?q=time+to+shutdown&utm_source=opensearch&c=apps


    but so far, no cigar.

    The first one, you suggest below. discussed below***.

    The seoond one, with an on/off icon in red and black says:
    Shutdown (no Root)
    About this app: Call the original factory's Power menu. (Some
    models may not support the reboot feature). Reduce the burden of the
    power button. (This app doesn't have "Power On" feature)
    So this is no good.

    There were 1 or 2 more just like this. First of those had the same icon
    with the colors reversed!

    Then comes
    Cozy Timer - Sleep timer
    About this app, *What is this app? If you fall asleep while
    listening to music or watching a video, it will stop playback.
    No good. I want to turn off the phone. i already have "stop
    playback".

    Then comes
    Phone Restart (No Root)
    About this app; Everyday your phone needs rest. So if you restart/reboot
    your phone the its get refressed and work properply. But sometimes you
    may have faced the power button is not working or your power button is
    broken.
    I would have thought remaining off would be an option, but no mention
    of it, plus this is not timer based anyhow. There's another one like
    this.

    Several of the others are only audio and vido or only screen. I
    remember now that I did see them the last time.

    Note: I have not tested these apps (and my phone isn't rooted).

    What do you think about this no-root shutdown-timer app?
    <https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.maforn.timedshutdown>

    *** Don't remember seeing this one before.

    Timed Shutdown [No Root]
    About this app; Are you used to turning off your phone before going
    to sleep and want to listen to some relaxing music?
    With this app, you won't have to move your sore arms and fingers, you
    can just set a timer, and the phone will turn off after a while!

    Sounds good. (same icon but in blue and black, LOL) reviews mixed but
    that's normal.

    Wait, when I go to install it, it says "Install on more devices"
    meaning I've installed it, and on the current phone. Oops, it's the one
    I mentioned in my first post. No wonder one says "It took me some time
    to figure it out to set it up", but they all give it 2 to 5 stars.

    Two of them say "Works on vertical screen but not horizontal, as viewing
    a movie." That's strange, but probably won't bother me, but there are
    the problems installing it that I've already had. Maybe those who were successful are more skilled than I am.

    Apparently this is not an easy task or this app would be simpler, not
    require accessiblity, not require writing a script; and the other apps
    would do more than turn off the sound or the screen, and the ones that
    turn off the phone would include a timer.

    I'll see what I can do with this one. Thanks.

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  • From Andy Burns@21:1/5 to Andrew on Sun May 26 10:14:33 2024
    Andrew wrote:

    My first thought to help you would be tasker

    tasker would be my first thought too, but I never find it intuitive.

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  • From micky@21:1/5 to usenet@andyburns.uk on Sun May 26 07:01:24 2024
    In comp.mobile.android, on Sun, 26 May 2024 10:14:33 +0100, Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> wrote:

    Andrew wrote:

    My first thought to help you would be tasker

    tasker would be my first thought too, but I never find it intuitive.

    "350+ actions ". I'm getting dizzy just thinking about that. Mayber
    I'll just skip this idea. But I didn't know about tasker before and
    it's good to know.

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  • From Andrew@21:1/5 to micky on Sun May 26 14:37:53 2024
    micky wrote on Sun, 26 May 2024 07:01:24 -0400 :

    My first thought to help you would be tasker

    tasker would be my first thought too, but I never find it intuitive.

    "350+ actions ". I'm getting dizzy just thinking about that.

    I've used automate because it's free and tasker is not free.
    But both take effort.

    In addition to tasker & automate, there's also macrodroid but it has ads.
    <https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.arlosoft.macrodroid>

    As Andy said, Tasker is the normal goto app for Android automation.

    Mayber
    I'll just skip this idea. But I didn't know about tasker before and
    it's good to know.

    There's a difference between a timed shutdown after lack of activity and an automatic shutdown at a certain time, but I ran a tasker search for micky.
    <https://www.google.com/search?q=android+tasker+timed+shutdown>

    Some hits...

    *TASKER: Shutdown after 10min after power is disconnected, how to do this?*
    <https://xdaforums.com/t/tasker-shutdown-after-10min-after-power-is-disconnected-how-to-do-this.2757926/>

    *Can Tasker be used to turn off (power down) the phone?*
    <https://groups.google.com/g/tasker/c/O3ZtzpvtYxg>

    *Possible to have Tasker take action after set amount of idle time?*
    <https://groups.google.com/g/tasker/c/rpwfnNnlFhQ>

    *How to schedule auto shutdown on your Android*
    <https://www.timesnownews.com/technology-science/how-to/how-to-schedule-auto-shutdown-on-your-android-phone-article-107884554>

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  • From Arno Welzel@21:1/5 to All on Mon May 27 14:54:20 2024
    micky, 2024-05-25 22:34:

    I need an app to turn off the whole phone after user-selected time.

    I have used Tune-in, complete with all its advertising, to play webraido
    for a user-selected time up to 120 minute and turn off, but I'd like the phone to turn off completely.

    This is not possible since no user installed app is allowed to turn off
    the phone by itself.

    There may be settings to do this in your phone - but this is not a
    generic Android setting but a vendor specific addition, like this:

    <https://www.gadgetsnow.com/how-to/how-to-schedule-auto-shutdown-on-your-android-smartphone/articleshow/94569263.cms>


    --
    Arno Welzel
    https://arnowelzel.de

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  • From Arno Welzel@21:1/5 to All on Mon May 27 14:57:58 2024
    Andrew, 2024-05-26 02:57:

    [...]> What do you think about this no-root shutdown-timer app?
    <https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.maforn.timedshutdown>

    Quote:

    "Android does not have any simple way to power off the phone without
    root, so the best we can do is emulate the manual gestures used to shut
    down the phone. To do this, the app will use the accessibility
    permission, but it will not register any user's data."

    As I explained in another post: user installed apps are not allowed to
    shut down the phone. This app tries to register itself as accessbility
    tool to be able to emulate the neccessary input to shutdown the phone.
    This may work - but it depends on your device.

    --
    Arno Welzel
    https://arnowelzel.de

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  • From micky@21:1/5 to usenet@arnowelzel.de on Mon May 27 14:33:04 2024
    In comp.mobile.android, on Mon, 27 May 2024 14:54:20 +0200, Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> wrote:

    micky, 2024-05-25 22:34:

    I need an app to turn off the whole phone after user-selected time.

    I have used Tune-in, complete with all its advertising, to play webraido
    for a user-selected time up to 120 minute and turn off, but I'd like the
    phone to turn off completely.

    This is not possible since no user installed app is allowed to turn off
    the phone by itself.

    Okay.

    I guess I was spoiled by all my clock-radios.

    There may be settings to do this in your phone - but this is not a

    I havent' seen any such setting, but iiuc they keep updating the phone
    and they don't tell users what new features are hidden deep in menus.

    generic Android setting but a vendor specific addition, like this:

    <https://www.gadgetsnow.com/how-to/how-to-schedule-auto-shutdown-on-your-android-smartphone/articleshow/94569263.cms>

    It's funny that they write this article as if it works for nearly
    everyone.

    --------


    [...]> What do you think about this no-root shutdown-timer app?
    <https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.maforn.timedshutdown>

    Quote:

    "Android does not have any simple way to power off the phone without
    root, so the best we can do is emulate the manual gestures used to shut

    Yeah, that was going to be tricky, emulating manual gestures. It
    wouldn't be so bad to just let the phone stay on all night. Other
    people do it. I'm probably going to be using the remote bluetooth
    speaker, one of the two I posted about in another thread, and I have no
    way to turn that off automatically. So leavign the phone itself on will
    be the same.

    down the phone. To do this, the app will use the accessibility
    permission, but it will not register any user's data."

    As I explained in another post: user installed apps are not allowed to
    shut down the phone. This app tries to register itself as accessbility
    tool to be able to emulate the neccessary input to shutdown the phone.
    This may work - but it depends on your device.

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  • From micky@21:1/5 to ithinkiam@gmail.com on Mon May 27 18:31:52 2024
    In comp.mobile.android, on Mon, 27 May 2024 20:25:53 -0000 (UTC), Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> wrote:

    micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> wrote:
    In comp.mobile.android, on Mon, 27 May 2024 14:54:20 +0200, Arno Welzel
    <usenet@arnowelzel.de> wrote:

    micky, 2024-05-25 22:34:

    I need an app to turn off the whole phone after user-selected time.

    I have used Tune-in, complete with all its advertising, to play webraido >>>> for a user-selected time up to 120 minute and turn off, but I'd like the >>>> phone to turn off completely.

    This is not possible since no user installed app is allowed to turn off
    the phone by itself.

    Okay.

    I guess I was spoiled by all my clock-radios.

    Did they unplug themselves?

    The first two we had unplugged any 110v device plugged into them.

    I was had refrained from asking, but what does iPhone do in this
    situation.

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  • From micky@21:1/5 to ithinkiam@gmail.com on Tue May 28 09:46:27 2024
    In comp.mobile.android, on Tue, 28 May 2024 10:33:27 -0000 (UTC), Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> wrote:

    micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> wrote:
    In comp.mobile.android, on Mon, 27 May 2024 20:25:53 -0000 (UTC), Chris
    <ithinkiam@gmail.com> wrote:

    micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> wrote:
    In comp.mobile.android, on Mon, 27 May 2024 14:54:20 +0200, Arno Welzel >>>> <usenet@arnowelzel.de> wrote:

    micky, 2024-05-25 22:34:

    I need an app to turn off the whole phone after user-selected time. >>>>>>
    I have used Tune-in, complete with all its advertising, to play webraido >>>>>> for a user-selected time up to 120 minute and turn off, but I'd like the >>>>>> phone to turn off completely.

    This is not possible since no user installed app is allowed to turn off >>>>> the phone by itself.

    Okay.

    I guess I was spoiled by all my clock-radios.

    Did they unplug themselves?

    The first two we had unplugged any 110v device plugged into them.

    I don't understand. A clock radio was something that woke you up with an >alarm or the radio which you needed to switch off manually. I don't know of >any with sockets that get "unplugged".

    They didn't pull the plug out but they turned off the power to whatever
    was plugged into the 110v socket in the back of the 110v clock radio.

    They simultaneiously turned off the radio if the radio was on, but they
    didn't turn off the clock, no matter what.

    I was had refrained from asking, but what does iPhone do in this
    situation.

    What situation? You can't plug-in devices on an iphone.

    Can you set an iPhone to turn itself off after a pre-set length of time. Android may not do this but it doesn't seem to violate any inherent
    rule.

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  • From Arno Welzel@21:1/5 to All on Wed May 29 00:06:09 2024
    micky, 2024-05-28 00:31:

    In comp.mobile.android, on Mon, 27 May 2024 20:25:53 -0000 (UTC), Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> wrote:

    micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> wrote:
    In comp.mobile.android, on Mon, 27 May 2024 14:54:20 +0200, Arno Welzel
    <usenet@arnowelzel.de> wrote:

    micky, 2024-05-25 22:34:

    I need an app to turn off the whole phone after user-selected time.

    I have used Tune-in, complete with all its advertising, to play webraido >>>>> for a user-selected time up to 120 minute and turn off, but I'd like the >>>>> phone to turn off completely.

    This is not possible since no user installed app is allowed to turn off >>>> the phone by itself.

    Okay.

    I guess I was spoiled by all my clock-radios.

    Did they unplug themselves?

    The first two we had unplugged any 110v device plugged into them.

    A "clock-radio"? I know "clock-radio" as a device which contains a clock
    and a radio and you can set a time to turn off the radio part
    automatically - for example after 1 or 2 hours. But the device itself
    will of course still be turned on, just the radio reception and audio
    playback will stop. So not that different from an Android device with a
    radio app which will automatically stop playing after 1 or 2 hours.


    --
    Arno Welzel
    https://arnowelzel.de

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  • From micky@21:1/5 to usenet@arnowelzel.de on Tue May 28 23:34:19 2024
    In comp.mobile.android, on Wed, 29 May 2024 00:06:09 +0200, Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> wrote:

    micky, 2024-05-28 00:31:

    In comp.mobile.android, on Mon, 27 May 2024 20:25:53 -0000 (UTC), Chris
    <ithinkiam@gmail.com> wrote:

    micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> wrote:
    In comp.mobile.android, on Mon, 27 May 2024 14:54:20 +0200, Arno Welzel >>>> <usenet@arnowelzel.de> wrote:

    micky, 2024-05-25 22:34:

    I need an app to turn off the whole phone after user-selected time. >>>>>>
    I have used Tune-in, complete with all its advertising, to play webraido >>>>>> for a user-selected time up to 120 minute and turn off, but I'd like the >>>>>> phone to turn off completely.

    This is not possible since no user installed app is allowed to turn off >>>>> the phone by itself.

    Okay.

    I guess I was spoiled by all my clock-radios.

    Did they unplug themselves?

    The first two we had unplugged any 110v device plugged into them.

    A "clock-radio"? I know "clock-radio" as a device which contains a clock
    and a radio and you can set a time to turn off the radio part
    automatically - for example after 1 or 2 hours. But the device itself
    will of course still be turned on, just the radio reception and audio >playback will stop.

    As I said, plus any 110volt device plugged into the outlet in the back
    will also stop, completely.

    Yes, not the same as what I wanted for android, but you can easily
    arrange for a Windows computer to turn off completely, as completely as
    if you did it manually. So it's not an electronic certainty that Android devices can't do the same, turn off as completely as if it were done
    manually. I'm surprised that they can't do so simply.

    So not that different from an Android device with a
    radio app which will automatically stop playing after 1 or 2 hours.

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  • From Arno Welzel@21:1/5 to All on Fri May 31 13:07:01 2024
    micky, 2024-05-29 05:34:

    In comp.mobile.android, on Wed, 29 May 2024 00:06:09 +0200, Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> wrote:
    [...]
    A "clock-radio"? I know "clock-radio" as a device which contains a clock
    and a radio and you can set a time to turn off the radio part
    automatically - for example after 1 or 2 hours. But the device itself
    will of course still be turned on, just the radio reception and audio
    playback will stop.

    As I said, plus any 110volt device plugged into the outlet in the back
    will also stop, completely.

    Yes, not the same as what I wanted for android, but you can easily
    arrange for a Windows computer to turn off completely, as completely as

    Yes, because in Windows program do not run within a sandbox where they
    don't have access to the underlying system as in Android. Therefore you
    need root access for this and *maybe* an app which is registered as accessibility helper is also allowed to do that, but I wouldn't count on it.

    --
    Arno Welzel
    https://arnowelzel.de

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