https://9to5mac.com/2024/06/24/ios-18-rcs-iphone-beta/
No signs of RCS were seen in the first beta of iOS 18 released earlier this month. However, the second beta of iOS 18 released on Monday added a new
RCS toggle in the Settings app, at least for some users. This has made beta testers wonder why some of them aren't seeing the toggle, or even why the feature isn't working despite the toggle being turned on.
Well, we now have the answer.
As seen by 9to5Mac in the iOS 18 beta 2 code, RCS support on the iPhone relies on Apple working with carrier partners to get them to update their bundles shipped with iOS. Right now, only a few carriers (such as AT&T and T-Mobile in the US) have updated their carrier bundles to support RCS on
the iPhone.
Of course, there's still time for more carriers to work on enabling RCS support on the iPhone by September, when iOS 18 will be available to the public. But at the same time, this means that most beta users probably
won't be able to test the new feature.
https://9to5mac.com/2024/06/24/ios-18-rcs-iphone-beta/
No signs of RCS were seen in the first beta of iOS 18 released earlier this month. However, the second beta of iOS 18 released on Monday added a new
RCS toggle in the Settings app, at least for some users. This has made beta testers wonder why some of them aren't seeing the toggle, or even why the feature isn't working despite the toggle being turned on.
Well, we now have the answer.
As seen by 9to5Mac in the iOS 18 beta 2 code, RCS support on the iPhone relies on Apple working with carrier partners to get them to update their bundles shipped with iOS. Right now, only a few carriers (such as AT&T and T-Mobile in the US) have updated their carrier bundles to support RCS on
the iPhone.
Of course, there's still time for more carriers to work on enabling RCS support on the iPhone by September, when iOS 18 will be available to the public. But at the same time, this means that most beta users probably
won't be able to test the new feature.
https://9to5mac.com/2024/06/24/ios-18-rcs-iphone-beta/
No signs of RCS were seen in the first beta of iOS 18 released earlier this month. However, the second beta of iOS 18 released on Monday added a new
RCS toggle in the Settings app, at least for some users. This has made beta testers wonder why some of them aren't seeing the toggle, or even why the feature isn't working despite the toggle being turned on.
Well, we now have the answer.
As seen by 9to5Mac in the iOS 18 beta 2 code, RCS support on the iPhone relies on Apple working with carrier partners to get them to update their bundles shipped with iOS. Right now, only a few carriers (such as AT&T and T-Mobile in the US) have updated their carrier bundles to support RCS on
the iPhone.
Of course, there's still time for more carriers to work on enabling RCS support on the iPhone by September, when iOS 18 will be available to the public. But at the same time, this means that most beta users probably
won't be able to test the new feature.
https://9to5mac.com/2024/06/24/ios-18-rcs-iphone-beta/
No signs of RCS were seen in the first beta of iOS 18 released earlier this month. However, the second beta of iOS 18 released on Monday added a new
RCS toggle in the Settings app, at least for some users. This has made beta testers wonder why some of them aren't seeing the toggle, or even why the feature isn't working despite the toggle being turned on.
Well, we now have the answer.
As seen by 9to5Mac in the iOS 18 beta 2 code, RCS support on the iPhone relies on Apple working with carrier partners to get them to update their bundles shipped with iOS. Right now, only a few carriers (such as AT&T and T-Mobile in the US) have updated their carrier bundles to support RCS on
the iPhone.
Of course, there's still time for more carriers to work on enabling RCS support on the iPhone by September, when iOS 18 will be available to the public. But at the same time, this means that most beta users probably
won't be able to test the new feature.
Am 25.06.24 um 09:33 schrieb Harry S Robins:
https://9to5mac.com/2024/06/24/ios-18-rcs-iphone-beta/
No signs of RCS were seen in the first beta of iOS 18 released earlier this >> month. However, the second beta of iOS 18 released on Monday added a new
RCS toggle in the Settings app, at least for some users. This has made beta >> testers wonder why some of them aren't seeing the toggle, or even why the
feature isn't working despite the toggle being turned on.
Well, we now have the answer.
As seen by 9to5Mac in the iOS 18 beta 2 code, RCS support on the iPhone
relies on Apple working with carrier partners to get them to update their
bundles shipped with iOS. Right now, only a few carriers (such as AT&T and >> T-Mobile in the US) have updated their carrier bundles to support RCS on
the iPhone.
Of course, there's still time for more carriers to work on enabling RCS
support on the iPhone by September, when iOS 18 will be available to the
public. But at the same time, this means that most beta users probably
won't be able to test the new feature.
There is no reasonable scenario where iPhone users need RCS.
I have it on my Pixel 7 with the provider Salt here in Switzerland and I seriously have the impression Apple is just implementing it to get rid
of the endless Google-jammering.
RCS is security-wise even not second rate and just a nightmare.
On 2024-06-25 04:22, Jörg Lorenz wrote:
Am 25.06.24 um 09:33 schrieb Harry S Robins:
https://9to5mac.com/2024/06/24/ios-18-rcs-iphone-beta/
No signs of RCS were seen in the first beta of iOS 18 released earlier this >>> month. However, the second beta of iOS 18 released on Monday added a new >>> RCS toggle in the Settings app, at least for some users. This has made beta >>> testers wonder why some of them aren't seeing the toggle, or even why the >>> feature isn't working despite the toggle being turned on.
Well, we now have the answer.
As seen by 9to5Mac in the iOS 18 beta 2 code, RCS support on the iPhone
relies on Apple working with carrier partners to get them to update their >>> bundles shipped with iOS. Right now, only a few carriers (such as AT&T and >>> T-Mobile in the US) have updated their carrier bundles to support RCS on >>> the iPhone.
Of course, there's still time for more carriers to work on enabling RCS
support on the iPhone by September, when iOS 18 will be available to the >>> public. But at the same time, this means that most beta users probably
won't be able to test the new feature.
There is no reasonable scenario where iPhone users need RCS.
I have it on my Pixel 7 with the provider Salt here in Switzerland and I
seriously have the impression Apple is just implementing it to get rid
of the endless Google-jammering.
As usual you babble from your singular point of view.
As I have contacts who use Android machines we're forced to use other
means to exchange sensitive info (usually Signal). Thankfully this is
not all that often.
RCS is security-wise even not second rate and just a nightmare.
Apple plan to implement encrypted RCS. Whether this will be available
for the Sept. release is not clear.
They don't want Google's version (Which Google is pushing hard for) -
Apple want an open version.
Of course, there's still time for more carriers to work on enabling RCS
support on the iPhone by September, when iOS 18 will be available to the
public. But at the same time, this means that most beta users probably
won't be able to test the new feature.
It is getting tight to the mid-Sept drop of new IOS'.
Having to get carriers to update their systems is an added complexity
and carriers don't have huge incentive to implement it. Possibly they
see it as more load.
On Tue, 25 Jun 2024 08:51:06 -0400, Alan Browne wrote:
Of course, there's still time for more carriers to work on enabling RCS
support on the iPhone by September, when iOS 18 will be available to the >>> public. But at the same time, this means that most beta users probably
won't be able to test the new feature.
It is getting tight to the mid-Sept drop of new IOS'.
Having to get carriers to update their systems is an added complexity
and carriers don't have huge incentive to implement it. Possibly they
see it as more load.
Once Apple supports RCS & after the carriers support their iOS RCS bundles, what problems will be solved when RCS is finally working on both platforms?
On 25.06.24 15:00, Alan Browne wrote:
On 2024-06-25 04:22, Jörg Lorenz wrote:
Am 25.06.24 um 09:33 schrieb Harry S Robins:
https://9to5mac.com/2024/06/24/ios-18-rcs-iphone-beta/
No signs of RCS were seen in the first beta of iOS 18 released earlier this
month. However, the second beta of iOS 18 released on Monday added a new >>>> RCS toggle in the Settings app, at least for some users. This has made beta
testers wonder why some of them aren't seeing the toggle, or even why the >>>> feature isn't working despite the toggle being turned on.
Well, we now have the answer.
As seen by 9to5Mac in the iOS 18 beta 2 code, RCS support on the iPhone >>>> relies on Apple working with carrier partners to get them to update their >>>> bundles shipped with iOS. Right now, only a few carriers (such as AT&T and >>>> T-Mobile in the US) have updated their carrier bundles to support RCS on >>>> the iPhone.
Of course, there's still time for more carriers to work on enabling RCS >>>> support on the iPhone by September, when iOS 18 will be available to the >>>> public. But at the same time, this means that most beta users probably >>>> won't be able to test the new feature.
There is no reasonable scenario where iPhone users need RCS.
I have it on my Pixel 7 with the provider Salt here in Switzerland and I >>> seriously have the impression Apple is just implementing it to get rid
of the endless Google-jammering.
As usual you babble from your singular point of view.
You do not understand what I'm talking about.
As I have contacts who use Android machines we're forced to use other
means to exchange sensitive info (usually Signal). Thankfully this is
not all that often.
*Signal is not RCS*. Signal is a highly encrypted messenger. And that
kind of application is the way to go and not *RCS*.
RCS is security-wise even not second rate and just a nightmare.
Apple plan to implement encrypted RCS. Whether this will be available
for the Sept. release is not clear.
Irrelevant. RCS has *always* an unwanted man-in-the-middle.
On Tue, 25 Jun 2024 08:51:06 -0400, Alan Browne wrote:
Of course, there's still time for more carriers to work on enabling RCS
support on the iPhone by September, when iOS 18 will be available to the >>> public. But at the same time, this means that most beta users probably
won't be able to test the new feature.
It is getting tight to the mid-Sept drop of new IOS'.
Having to get carriers to update their systems is an added complexity
and carriers don't have huge incentive to implement it. Possibly they
see it as more load.
Once Apple supports RCS & after the carriers support their iOS RCS bundles, what problems will be solved when RCS is finally working on both platforms?
On 25.06.24 15:00, Alan Browne wrote:
On 2024-06-25 04:22, Jörg Lorenz wrote:
Am 25.06.24 um 09:33 schrieb Harry S Robins:
https://9to5mac.com/2024/06/24/ios-18-rcs-iphone-beta/
No signs of RCS were seen in the first beta of iOS 18 released earlier this
month. However, the second beta of iOS 18 released on Monday added a new >>>> RCS toggle in the Settings app, at least for some users. This has made beta
testers wonder why some of them aren't seeing the toggle, or even why the >>>> feature isn't working despite the toggle being turned on.
Well, we now have the answer.
As seen by 9to5Mac in the iOS 18 beta 2 code, RCS support on the iPhone >>>> relies on Apple working with carrier partners to get them to update their >>>> bundles shipped with iOS. Right now, only a few carriers (such as AT&T and >>>> T-Mobile in the US) have updated their carrier bundles to support RCS on >>>> the iPhone.
Of course, there's still time for more carriers to work on enabling RCS >>>> support on the iPhone by September, when iOS 18 will be available to the >>>> public. But at the same time, this means that most beta users probably >>>> won't be able to test the new feature.
There is no reasonable scenario where iPhone users need RCS.
I have it on my Pixel 7 with the provider Salt here in Switzerland and I >>> seriously have the impression Apple is just implementing it to get rid
of the endless Google-jammering.
As usual you babble from your singular point of view.
You do not understand what I'm talking about.
As I have contacts who use Android machines we're forced to use other
means to exchange sensitive info (usually Signal). Thankfully this is
not all that often.
*Signal is not RCS*.
kind of application is the way to go and not *RCS*.
RCS is security-wise even not second rate and just a nightmare.
Apple plan to implement encrypted RCS. Whether this will be available
for the Sept. release is not clear.
Irrelevant. RCS has *always* an unwanted man-in-the-middle.
They don't want Google's version (Which Google is pushing hard for) -
Apple want an open version.
Irrelvant.
This is exactly the key question: *NONE*
RCS can support end to end encryption.
On 2024-06-25 10:56, Gelato wrote:
Once Apple supports RCS & after the carriers support their iOS RCS bundles, >> what problems will be solved when RCS is finally working on both platforms?
Hopefully the problem of transparently sending large files from(to) iOS to(from) Android with little effort or loss. Hopefully avoiding the
"phone" paradigm along the way. And of course the whole encryption
issue also needs to be worked out so that it is not Google oriented.
Gelato <gelato@.is.invalid> wrote:
On Tue, 25 Jun 2024 08:51:06 -0400, Alan Browne wrote:
Of course, there's still time for more carriers to work on enabling RCS >>>> support on the iPhone by September, when iOS 18 will be available to the >>>> public. But at the same time, this means that most beta users probably >>>> won't be able to test the new feature.
It is getting tight to the mid-Sept drop of new IOS'.
Having to get carriers to update their systems is an added complexity
and carriers don't have huge incentive to implement it. Possibly they
see it as more load.
Once Apple supports RCS & after the carriers support their iOS RCS bundles, >> what problems will be solved when RCS is finally working on both platforms? >>
Maybe the green bubble?
https://9to5mac.com/2024/06/24/ios-18-rcs-iphone-beta/
No signs of RCS were seen in the first beta of iOS 18 released earlier this month. However, the second beta of iOS 18 released on Monday added a new
RCS toggle in the Settings app, at least for some users. This has made beta testers wonder why some of them aren't seeing the toggle, or even why the feature isn't working despite the toggle being turned on.
Well, we now have the answer.
As seen by 9to5Mac in the iOS 18 beta 2 code, RCS support on the iPhone relies on Apple working with carrier partners to get them to update their bundles shipped with iOS. Right now, only a few carriers (such as AT&T and T-Mobile in the US) have updated their carrier bundles to support RCS on
the iPhone.
Of course, there's still time for more carriers to work on enabling RCS support on the iPhone by September, when iOS 18 will be available to the public. But at the same time, this means that most beta users probably
won't be able to test the new feature.
https://9to5mac.com/2024/06/24/ios-18-rcs-iphone-beta/
No signs of RCS were seen in the first beta of iOS 18 released earlier this month. However, the second beta of iOS 18 released on Monday added a new
RCS toggle in the Settings app, at least for some users. This has made beta testers wonder why some of them aren't seeing the toggle, or even why the feature isn't working despite the toggle being turned on.
Well, we now have the answer.
As seen by 9to5Mac in the iOS 18 beta 2 code, RCS support on the iPhone relies on Apple working with carrier partners to get them to update their bundles shipped with iOS. Right now, only a few carriers (such as AT&T and T-Mobile in the US) have updated their carrier bundles to support RCS on
the iPhone.
Of course, there's still time for more carriers to work on enabling RCS support on the iPhone by September, when iOS 18 will be available to the public. But at the same time, this means that most beta users probably
won't be able to test the new feature.
On 2024-06-25 07:33:20 +0000, Harry S Robins said:
https://9to5mac.com/2024/06/24/ios-18-rcs-iphone-beta/
No signs of RCS were seen in the first beta of iOS 18 released earlier
this
month. However, the second beta of iOS 18 released on Monday added a new
RCS toggle in the Settings app, at least for some users. This has made
beta
testers wonder why some of them aren't seeing the toggle, or even why the
feature isn't working despite the toggle being turned on.
Well, we now have the answer.
As seen by 9to5Mac in the iOS 18 beta 2 code, RCS support on the iPhone
relies on Apple working with carrier partners to get them to update their
bundles shipped with iOS. Right now, only a few carriers (such as AT&T
and
T-Mobile in the US) have updated their carrier bundles to support RCS on
the iPhone.
Of course, there's still time for more carriers to work on enabling RCS
support on the iPhone by September, when iOS 18 will be available to the
public. But at the same time, this means that most beta users probably
won't be able to test the new feature.
If RCS is so ubiquitous and important on "all" Android phones, then the companies should already have RCS setup on their networks and the
handset the user has *should* be completely irrelevant. The fact that
these companies are now having to specifically now make changes to allow
RCS shows it wasn't actually as all-important or widespread usage as the moron whiners and trolls claimed it was ... as usual. :-\
Once Apple supports RCS & after the carriers support their iOS RCS bundles, >> what problems will be solved when RCS is finally working on both platforms?
Hopefully the problem of transparently sending large files from(to) iOS to(from) Android with little effort or loss. Hopefully avoiding the
"phone" paradigm along the way. And of course the whole encryption
issue also needs to be worked out so that it is not Google oriented.
If RCS is so ubiquitous and important on "all" Android phones, then the companies should already have RCS setup on their networks and the
handset the user has *should* be completely irrelevant. The fact that
these companies are now having to specifically now make changes to
allow RCS shows it wasn't actually as all-important or widespread usage
as the moron whiners and trolls claimed it was ... as usual. :-\
RCS can support end to end encryption.
I said I use Signal to send encrypted
messages (and files) to people using Android phones from my iPhone
(actually from my Mac - quibble).
Signal is a highly encrypted messenger. And that
On 2024-06-27 00:33, Your Name wrote:
If RCS is so ubiquitous and important on "all" Android phones, then the
companies should already have RCS setup on their networks and the
handset the user has *should* be completely irrelevant. The fact that
these companies are now having to specifically now make changes to allow
RCS shows it wasn't actually as all-important or widespread usage as the
moron whiners and trolls claimed it was ... as usual. :-\
You are not reading the situation correctly :-)
The current field is controlled and tailored as the first comers
negotiated. Google and friends. Now comes a new player, Apple,
reluctantly, and wants to change the existing landscape to their liking. Well, they will have to negotiate hard to do that. If they can convince
the existing players.
Never mind, we will have RCS all around in a few years. It will come.
Just be patient and eat pop corn as they play out :-)
The current field is controlled and tailored as the first comers
negotiated. Google and friends. Now comes a new player, Apple,
reluctantly, and wants to change the existing landscape to their liking. Well, they will have to negotiate hard to do that. If they can convince
the existing players.
Never mind, we will have RCS all around in a few years. It will come.
Just be patient and eat pop corn as they play out :-)
The current field is controlled and tailored as the first comers
negotiated. Google and friends. Now comes a new player, Apple,
reluctantly, and wants to change the existing landscape to their liking.
Well, they will have to negotiate hard to do that. If they can convince
the existing players.
Never mind, we will have RCS all around in a few years. It will come.
Just be patient and eat pop corn as they play out :-)
I wouldn't be so sure.
Your Name wrote:
If RCS is so ubiquitous and important on "all" Android phones, then the
companies should already have RCS setup on their networks
My network provider previously ran their own RCS service which they subsequently migrated to using the Jibe/Google service, I doubt they're
alone in that ...
If RCS is so ubiquitous and important on "all" Android phones, then the companies should already have RCS setup on their networks
<https://webstrategiesblog.com/apples-rcs-adoption-in-ios-18/>
<https://www.campaignregistry.com/a-monumental-day-for-rcs-apples-adoption-and-the-future-of-messaging/>
Of course Apple does not really like that, since they are more or less
forced to support RCS and would prefer keeping their users in their own golden cage with iMessage. But nevertheless - when iOS and Android both support RCS and RCS is mandatory, there is no reason why it should be
around as universal standard similar to SMS nowadays.
Andy Burns wrote:
My network provider previously ran their own RCS service which they
subsequently migrated to using the Jibe/Google service, I doubt they're
alone in that ...
Well - Jibe *is* RCS...
<https://jibe.google.com/jibe-platform/>
Once Apple supports RCS & after the carriers support their iOS RCS bundles, what problems will be solved when RCS is finally working on both platforms?
RCS is is implemented and supported by almost all networks for years.
Am 25.06.24 um 17:55 schrieb Richmond:
RCS can support end to end encryption.
No it can't. At the edge of the networks it is always broken.
Am 25.06.24 um 22:35 schrieb Alan Browne:
On 2024-06-25 10:56, Gelato wrote:
Once Apple supports RCS & after the carriers support their iOS RCS
bundles,
what problems will be solved when RCS is finally working on both
platforms?
Hopefully the problem of transparently sending large files from(to) iOS
to(from) Android with little effort or loss. Hopefully avoiding the
"phone" paradigm along the way. And of course the whole encryption
issue also needs to be worked out so that it is not Google oriented.
Only the real amateurs and houswifes do it that way.
*ROTFSTC*
Abandoned Trolley, 2024-06-27 09:51:
The current field is controlled and tailored as the first comers
negotiated. Google and friends. Now comes a new player, Apple,
reluctantly, and wants to change the existing landscape to their liking. >>> Well, they will have to negotiate hard to do that. If they can convince
the existing players.
Never mind, we will have RCS all around in a few years. It will come.
Just be patient and eat pop corn as they play out :-)
I wouldn't be so sure.
I would:
<https://webstrategiesblog.com/apples-rcs-adoption-in-ios-18/>
<https://www.campaignregistry.com/a-monumental-day-for-rcs-apples-adoption-and-the-future-of-messaging/>
Of course Apple does not really like that, since they are more or less
forced to support RCS and would prefer keeping their users in their own golden cage with iMessage.
Andy Burns wrote:
Jibe are/were not the *sole* RCS provider, though it may be moving in
that direction ...
Is there a way for a phone user who is not on Jibe to get RCS now?
The current field is controlled and tailored as the first comers
negotiated. Google and friends. Now comes a new player, Apple,
reluctantly, and wants to change the existing landscape to their
liking. Well, they will have to negotiate hard to do that. If they can
convince the existing players.
Never mind, we will have RCS all around in a few years. It will come.
Just be patient and eat pop corn as they play out :-)
I wouldn't be so sure.
If you still have any video cassettes they are likely to be VHS
Arno Welzel wrote:
Andy Burns wrote:
My network provider previously ran their own RCS service which they
subsequently migrated to using the Jibe/Google service, I doubt they're
alone in that ...
Well - Jibe *is* RCS...
<https://jibe.google.com/jibe-platform/>
Jibe are/were not the *sole* RCS provider, though it may be moving in
that direction ...
Nick Cine wrote:
Andy Burns wrote:
Jibe are/were not the *sole* RCS provider, though it may be moving in
that direction ...
Is there a way for a phone user who is not on Jibe to get RCS now?
I don't think the user gets to choose, the network operator sends out a >provisioning message with the RCS settings.
As Roger mentionedm my operator (O?) moved to Jibe last October, I'll
take his word about Vodafone, not sure about other MNOs an MVNOs?
https://forum.vodafone.co.uk/t5/Android/RCS-Unsupported/m-p/2727991
https://9to5google.com/2023/03/27/vodafone-rcs-messages-android/
https://9to5google.com/2023/02/21/vodafone-rcs-google-deal/
https://www.telecoms.com/mobile-messaging/30-years-after-sending-the-first-text-vodafone-opts-for-google-rcs
On Thu, 27 Jun 2024 08:35:36 +0200, Jörg Lorenz
<hugybear@gmx.net> wrote:
RCS is is implemented and supported by almost all networks for years.
The OP included the newsgroup uk.telecom.mobile. What you have
written is incorrect for the UK.
Vodafone discontinued their RCS service March, 2023; O2
discontinued their RCS service in October, 2023. Their customers
now use Google/Jibe.
I have been unable to find anything definite about Three or EE
but suspect they are also using Google/Jibe.
Is there a reason to care about this? Is there a reason for RCS?
What? Because Gen-Zers are afraid of the word "email"?
I looked
it up and as far as I can see it's just email with spying, like what ConstantContact have done with javascript.
Once Apple supports RCS & after the carriers support their iOS RCS bundles, >> what problems will be solved when RCS is finally working on both platforms?
Only Apple's problem is solved: Apple will be able to track
those messages.
No user or carrier gets any better by it.
My old boss still has a huge Betamax library. Quality is still very
good (for videotape).
I have some VHS cassettes left - can't seem to sell or give them away...
all personal stuff has been moved to digital.
W Tue, 25 Jun 2024 07:20:48 -0400, Newyana2 napisal:
Is there a reason to care about this? Is there a reason for RCS?
What? Because Gen-Zers are afraid of the word "email"?
Gizmodo lists the problems that should be solved when RCS is in iOS. https://gizmodo.com/apple-messages-supports-rcs-ios18-beta-1851562461
"Audio and video sent between devices will no longer be compressed down."
"Group chats will no longer be butchered and broken as friends and family attempt to find common ground, such as who will bring the dessert to the gathering."
W Tue, 25 Jun 2024 16:35:44 -0400, Alan Browne napisal:
Once Apple supports RCS & after the carriers support their iOS RCS bundles, >>> what problems will be solved when RCS is finally working on both platforms? >>Hopefully the problem of transparently sending large files from(to) iOS
to(from) Android with little effort or loss. Hopefully avoiding the
"phone" paradigm along the way. And of course the whole encryption
issue also needs to be worked out so that it is not Google oriented.
Gizmodo lists the problems that should be solved when RCS is in iOS. https://gizmodo.com/apple-messages-supports-rcs-ios18-beta-1851562461
"Audio and video sent between devices will no longer be compressed down. Group chats will no longer be butchered and broken as friends and family attempt to find common ground, such as who will bring the dessert to the gathering. And you'll see when an iPhone user has left you, dear Android user, on read."
Am 28.06.24 um 04:07 schrieb Jan K.:
W Tue, 25 Jun 2024 07:20:48 -0400, Newyana2 napisal:
Is there a reason to care about this? Is there a reason for RCS?
What? Because Gen-Zers are afraid of the word "email"?
Gizmodo lists the problems that should be solved when RCS is in iOS.
https://gizmodo.com/apple-messages-supports-rcs-ios18-beta-1851562461
There are simply no problems for iOS-users. Only some Android-users are yammering and whining.
"Audio and video sent between devices will no longer be compressed down."
"Group chats will no longer be butchered and broken as friends and family
attempt to find common ground, such as who will bring the dessert to the
gathering."
Is done on WhatsApp or other messengers for over a decade. RCS is not
adding any value to the communication options.
On Tue, 25 Jun 2024 10:56:53 -0400, Gelato <gelato@.is.invalid>
wrote:
Once Apple supports RCS & after the carriers support their iOS RCS bundles, >> what problems will be solved when RCS is finally working on both platforms?
Only Apple's problem is solved: Apple will be able to track
those messages.
No user or carrier gets any better by it.
RCS is not adding any value to the communication options.For some of us (edge cases perhaps) it will.
On 2024-06-25 18:30, Jörg Lorenz wrote:
Am 25.06.24 um 22:35 schrieb Alan Browne:
On 2024-06-25 10:56, Gelato wrote:
Once Apple supports RCS & after the carriers support their iOS RCS
bundles,
what problems will be solved when RCS is finally working on both
platforms?
Hopefully the problem of transparently sending large files from(to) iOS
to(from) Android with little effort or loss. Hopefully avoiding the
"phone" paradigm along the way. And of course the whole encryption
issue also needs to be worked out so that it is not Google oriented.
Only the real amateurs and houswifes do it that way.
*ROTFSTC*
You're an ass as usual. I move files according to what is needed for security (95% of the time: none) and then convenience.
Jörg Lorenz wrote:
RCS is not adding any value to the communication options.For some of us (edge cases perhaps) it will.
all functionalities of RCS are already available.
More secure, faster and more private.
Please explain in detail if you have a different view.
Jörg Lorenz wrote:
RCS is not adding any value to the communication options.For some of us (edge cases perhaps) it will.
I use android, as do the majority of my friends/colleagues, but a
minority use iphone. I refuse to use Messenger/WhatsApp, they've never
heard of Signal/Telegram.
The only ways I can send them photos is MMS (which is expensive, so I
only do it rarely) or email, which some of them don't have on their
phones ... RCS does add value in that case.
Am 28.06.24 um 11:00 schrieb Andy Burns:
Jörg Lorenz wrote:
RCS is not adding any value to the communication options.For some of us (edge cases perhaps) it will.
I use android, as do the majority of my friends/colleagues, but a
minority use iphone. I refuse to use Messenger/WhatsApp, they've never
heard of Signal/Telegram.
The only ways I can send them photos is MMS (which is expensive, so I
only do it rarely) or email, which some of them don't have on their
phones ... RCS does add value in that case.
RCS cannot solve social issues. Your friends do not need RCS. What they
need is less resistance to learn.
Am 27.06.24 um 15:11 schrieb Roger:
On Thu, 27 Jun 2024 08:35:36 +0200, Jörg Lorenz
<hugybear@gmx.net> wrote:
RCS is is implemented and supported by almost all networks for years.
The OP included the newsgroup uk.telecom.mobile. What you have
written is incorrect for the UK.
This group is not only about the UK.
And certainly not because a user
impolitely X-posted to other groups. Main topic is "iOS 18 beta RCS integration".
Jörg Lorenz wrote:
RCS is not adding any value to the communication options.For some of us (edge cases perhaps) it will.
I use android, as do the majority of my friends/colleagues, but a
minority use iphone. I refuse to use Messenger/WhatsApp,
they've never
heard of Signal/Telegram.
The only ways I can send them photos is MMS (which is expensive, so I
only do it rarely) or email, which some of them don't have on their
phones ... RCS does add value in that case.
Andy Burns wrote:
I refuse to use Messenger/WhatsApp
Then you will be left out in the cold.
they've never heard of Signal/Telegram.
Even if they had you are about as likely to get them to change as the
Pope is to marry his boyfriend.
I have never heard of RCS and have no intention of enabling it....
On 2024-06-27 23:17, Jörg Lorenz wrote:
Am 27.06.24 um 15:11 schrieb Roger:
On Thu, 27 Jun 2024 08:35:36 +0200, Jörg Lorenz
<hugybear@gmx.net> wrote:
RCS is is implemented and supported by almost all networks for years.
The OP included the newsgroup uk.telecom.mobile. What you have
written is incorrect for the UK.
This group is not only about the UK.
Not only, but also. "uk.telecom.mobile" is in the headers.
And certainly not because a user
impolitely X-posted to other groups. Main topic is "iOS 18 beta RCS
integration".
It is there since the OP.
Jörg Lorenz wrote:
RCS is not adding any value to the communication options.For some of us (edge cases perhaps) it will.
I use android, as do the majority of my friends/colleagues, but a
minority use iphone. I refuse to use Messenger/WhatsApp, they've never heard of Signal/Telegram.
Am 27.06.24 um 21:13 schrieb Alan Browne:
On 2024-06-25 18:30, Jörg Lorenz wrote:
Am 25.06.24 um 22:35 schrieb Alan Browne:
On 2024-06-25 10:56, Gelato wrote:
Once Apple supports RCS & after the carriers support their iOS RCS
bundles,
what problems will be solved when RCS is finally working on both
platforms?
Hopefully the problem of transparently sending large files from(to) iOS >>>> to(from) Android with little effort or loss. Hopefully avoiding the
"phone" paradigm along the way. And of course the whole encryption
issue also needs to be worked out so that it is not Google oriented.
Only the real amateurs and houswifes do it that way.
*ROTFSTC*
You're an ass as usual. I move files according to what is needed for
security (95% of the time: none) and then convenience.
A server- or a cloud-link is much faster, more convenient, more secure,
more versatile and in the case of confident material much much more
private. Google with its platform is never trustworthy. Under no circumstances.
*You are an amateur*
My old boss still has a huge Betamax library. Quality is still very
good (for videotape).
I have some VHS cassettes left - can't seem to sell or give them
away... all personal stuff has been moved to digital.
The point I was making was that VHS became the dominant force in the marketplace despite being (by some distance) the worst performing
technology at the time - a bit like audio cassettes.
Also, in a "normal" marketplace, new entrants can disrupt by competing
on price - I can't see that happening here
Abandoned Trolley wrote:
I dont see anything here which conclusively proves that RCS will be
universally availale in the long term
That's the "remains to be seen" part. IAC, I stand by interested in the outcome. But one part is clear: Apple will not implement Google's encryption scheme - it must be open source.
On 28/06/2024 12:36, Jörg Lorenz wrote:
Am 28.06.24 um 11:00 schrieb Andy Burns:
Jörg Lorenz wrote:
RCS is not adding any value to the communication options.For some of us (edge cases perhaps) it will.
I use android, as do the majority of my friends/colleagues, but a
minority use iphone. I refuse to use Messenger/WhatsApp, they've never >>> heard of Signal/Telegram.
The only ways I can send them photos is MMS (which is expensive, so I
only do it rarely) or email, which some of them don't have on their
phones ... RCS does add value in that case.
RCS cannot solve social issues. Your friends do not need RCS. What they
need is less resistance to learn.
I dont see anything here which conclusively proves that RCS will be universally availale in the long term
On 2024-06-27 23:17, Jörg Lorenz wrote:
Am 27.06.24 um 15:11 schrieb Roger:
On Thu, 27 Jun 2024 08:35:36 +0200, Jörg Lorenz
<hugybear@gmx.net> wrote:
RCS is is implemented and supported by almost all networks for years.
The OP included the newsgroup uk.telecom.mobile. What you have
written is incorrect for the UK.
This group is not only about the UK.
Not only, but also. "uk.telecom.mobile" is in the headers.
Alan Browne wrote:
Abandoned Trolley wrote:
I dont see anything here which conclusively proves that RCS will be
universally availale in the long term
That's the "remains to be seen" part. IAC, I stand by interested in
the outcome. But one part is clear: Apple will not implement Google's
encryption scheme - it must be open source.
What google have done over the last year has improved take-up, hopefully
what apple will do in the next few months improves it further, actually encryption isn't a major point for me ...
all functionalities of RCS are already available.
More secure, faster and more private.
Only if I choose to use WhatsApp/FBmessenger (which I won't), or I
persuade my friends to use Signal/Telegram (which I won't).
Please explain in detail if you have a different view.
RCS being universally available will be an advantage.
While I'm on record for not caring about RCS with Android...
RCS should help in platform compatibility and RCS should help four ways:
1. Those who pay for MMS will get to use RCS for free, instead.
2. Large video/audio will be platform compatible
3. Group chats won't be mangled on iPhones
4. RCS adds something about read receipts I'm not familiar with
I'm not sure about encryption though, Andy.
What's the situation with RCS encryption currently between iOS & Android?
While I'm on record for not caring about RCS with Android...
It's not the be all, end all for me either.
RCS should help in platform compatibility and RCS should help four ways:
1. Those who pay for MMS will get to use RCS for free, instead.
2. Large video/audio will be platform compatible
3. Group chats won't be mangled on iPhones
4. RCS adds something about read receipts I'm not familiar with
depending on settings, you can tell if a message is delivered and/or
read, also there's a setting so you can see if the other person is
currently typing.
I'm not sure about encryption though, Andy.
What's the situation with RCS encryption currently between iOS & Android?
It's end-to-end for android-to-android is all I know, from the sounds of
it android-to-iphone encryption isn't very likely.
None of my iphone contacts will be running developer firmware, so conversations with them they haven't "lit up" as RCS chats yet.
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