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  • Couldn't Update Message

    From tb@21:1/5 to All on Tue Aug 27 19:12:09 2024
    I have an ASUS Zenfone M1 with Android 8.1.0.
    Frequently I get a "Couldn't Update" message visible in Manage Apps &
    Device -> Updates Available.
    Is it a sign that my cell phone's OS is too old for some app updates?

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    tb

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  • From VanguardLH@21:1/5 to nospam@example.invalid on Tue Aug 27 17:23:22 2024
    tb <nospam@example.invalid> wrote:

    I have an ASUS Zenfone M1 with Android 8.1.0.
    Frequently I get a "Couldn't Update" message visible in Manage Apps &
    Device -> Updates Available.
    Is it a sign that my cell phone's OS is too old for some app updates?

    I've had apps that worked, and then they updated while requiring a later Android version than I have (Android 8.0.0). I will never get an OS
    update: LG, my phone maker, discontinued the phone back in 2019, and
    then they left the smartphone market in 2021. For example, I had a
    Great Clips apps to help schedule check-in for a haircut. Suddenly it
    starting puking out a message about the OS version not supported. I saw
    no changes in their app that would require a later version of Android.
    When I notified them, they said they supported Android 9, and up,
    despite their app page at the Google Play Store said 8.0, and up. Soon afterward they updated their app page to say Android 9, and up. Their
    app's check on OS version self-crippled their app, so now I have to use
    a web browser to use their check-in web site.

    I've had other apps that stopped working when they decided to require a
    later OS version. Same thing happened way back on an old phone running
    Kitkat (Android 4.4): some car monitoring apps using Bluetooth to an
    OBD2 dongle plugged into the car stopped working, but those same apps
    worked when I later bought an Android 8.0 phone.

    Eventually old phones running old OS versions get left behind as apps
    require later OS versions, even if nothing was really changed in the
    apps that the user can view. Anything beyond the current and just-prior
    major version of Android is considered legacy hence unsupported.
    Android 8.0 (Oreo) was released back in August 21, 2017: 7 years ago.
    Requiring a new OS version can render apps unusable despite the phone is perfectly functioning hardware. If you can't get an automatic OS
    upgrade, and if you don't want to root your phone to let you install a
    new OS version, you're stuck having to buy a new phone.

    Besides my old phone using an old and unsupported Android 8.0, it also
    doesn't support 5G, and sometimes I definitely wish the phone was faster
    for Internet speed. I get envious of my friends who can do Web stuff a
    *lot* faster than I. Wait, wait, I'm still getting it, wait, I'll catch
    up in a moment, or two, for dozen. Just wish the toy mobile computers
    weren't so farking expensive.

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  • From micky@21:1/5 to bashley101@gmail.com on Tue Aug 27 22:47:18 2024
    In comp.mobile.android, on Tue, 27 Aug 2024 19:13:52 -0700, The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> wrote:



    My Pixel2 (born in 2017) runs Android 11 and they're under $100 now. It
    cost me $60 to have the battery replaced 1.5 years ago. I'd like it to
    have a telephoto lens, but that's my only gripe. If I REALLY wanted
    that I could probably buy an acceptable clip-on (the cheap ones are

    There are apps that are like telephoto lenses. One I have is called Zoom
    Camera and the other is Camera Ultra Zoom. One or both includes ads but
    not many. They work well.

    worthless) for it. So far I haven't had any too-old problems with apps,
    but I seem to remember seeing something that I vaguely wanted that
    demanded Android 12.

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  • From micky@21:1/5 to bashley101@gmail.com on Fri Aug 30 00:12:49 2024
    In comp.mobile.android, on Wed, 28 Aug 2024 07:15:25 -0700, The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> wrote:

    On 8/27/24 7:47 PM, micky wrote:
    In comp.mobile.android, on Tue, 27 Aug 2024 19:13:52 -0700, The Real Bev
    <bashley101@gmail.com> wrote:



    My Pixel2 (born in 2017) runs Android 11 and they're under $100 now. It >>>cost me $60 to have the battery replaced 1.5 years ago. I'd like it to >>>have a telephoto lens, but that's my only gripe. If I REALLY wanted
    that I could probably buy an acceptable clip-on (the cheap ones are

    There are apps that are like telephoto lenses. One I have is called Zoom
    Camera and the other is Camera Ultra Zoom. One or both includes ads but
    not many. They work well.

    Do they create new pixels?y

    For that you may have to Pixels'R'Us.

    worthless) for it. So far I haven't had any too-old problems with apps, >>>but I seem to remember seeing something that I vaguely wanted that >>>demanded Android 12.

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  • From Joerg Walther@21:1/5 to The Real Bev on Fri Aug 30 15:30:48 2024
    The Real Bev wrote:

    If it doesn't generate new pixels based on what the camera saves it's >useless. I tried the Ultra Zoom Camera app (difficult to send shots to
    my computer), but it gave smeary results at the same magnification as
    the native app. Didn't try any others.

    It's been a while since I read this somehwere, but it probably still
    applies: It is recommended to use the camera app that came with the
    device since it 'knows' the respective camera well and can thus produce
    the best results. 3rd party apps will be able to take pictures but will
    not be able to use all features of the camera(s).

    -jw-
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    And now for something completely different...

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  • From micky@21:1/5 to Walther on Fri Aug 30 21:22:54 2024
    In comp.mobile.android, on Fri, 30 Aug 2024 15:30:48 +0200, Joerg
    Walther <joerg.walther@magenta.de> wrote:

    The Real Bev wrote:

    If it doesn't generate new pixels based on what the camera saves it's >>useless. I tried the Ultra Zoom Camera app (difficult to send shots to
    my computer), but it gave smeary results at the same magnification as
    the native app. Didn't try any others.

    It's been a while since I read this somehwere, but it probably still
    applies: It is recommended to use the camera app that came with the
    device since it 'knows' the respective camera well and can thus produce
    the best results. 3rd party apps will be able to take pictures but will
    not be able to use all features of the camera(s).

    Good to hear. In installed an app which used Accessibilty or Mobility
    or something, and it lowered the number of apps on the bottom line by
    one, and thus kicked my camera off the home screen, and I didn't know
    its name and for months I coudln't find it. But I did and I'm back to
    using it instead of one of the zoom apps.

    -jw-

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