• Re: Google timeline/location services

    From Andy Burns@21:1/5 to The Real Bev on Sun Oct 13 21:37:22 2024
    The Real Bev wrote:

    Apparently our history will no longer be available after December 8
    unless we do SOMETHING.  The concept as well as the solution are
    glaringly unclear.

    Ditto, when I tried to follow the instructions what I was seeing, didn't
    match what they said,I couldn't figure out if I had tried too soon, or
    the instructions only applied to one side of the Atlantic.

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  • From Stan Brown@21:1/5 to The Real Bev on Sun Oct 13 13:52:40 2024
    On Sun, 13 Oct 2024 11:56:31 -0700, The Real Bev wrote:
    Apparently our history will no longer be available after December 8
    unless we do SOMETHING. The concept as well as the solution are
    glaringly unclear.

    ...

    The instructions given were in no way applicable to my computer and I
    can't find the email warning now.

    Are you sure the email was actually from Google? I haven't received
    one, and I have a Google account to which my Android phone is logged
    in.

    --
    Stan Brown, Tehachapi, California, USA https://BrownMath.com/
    Shikata ga nai...

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  • From Andy Burns@21:1/5 to Stan Brown on Sun Oct 13 22:11:40 2024
    Stan Brown wrote:

    Are you sure the email was actually from Google?

    Yes ...

    <https://support.google.com/maps/community-guide/276228911/changes-underway-for-google-maps-timeline?hl=en>

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  • From VanguardLH@21:1/5 to The Real Bev on Sun Oct 13 18:35:50 2024
    The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> wrote:

    Apparently our history will no longer be available after December 8
    unless we do SOMETHING. The concept as well as the solution are
    glaringly unclear.

    Supposedly unless I do SOMETHING I will (a) have no location timeline/services/history; (b) have no timeline/location
    services/history on my computer; (c) have no location timeline/services/history on any of my devices except <something>; (d)
    all of the above; (e) none of the above.

    The instructions given were in no way applicable to my computer and I
    can't find the email warning now.

    I chose to backup the location history on my phone to <whatever>. It
    seemed to be the only option. Is that what they wanted?

    I have timeline enabled in my Google account, and my smartphone is
    registered at Google (so I can login to look at Android apps at
    play.google.com to verify the app's manifest says my phone is
    compatible).

    I have not yet received an e-mail like you described. You sure it came
    from Google? Need to inspect the headers, especially the Received
    headers, to see from where the e-mail originated. The Received header
    should chain together with the first at the bottom and the latest at the
    top. The 'by' clause of a later Received header should match on the
    'from' clause of a prior Received header. Spammers/scammers will
    attempt to insert their own bogus Received header, but those will be at
    the bottom (firstmost), and not chain to whomever they actually used to
    send their turd. The Received header is one of several trace headers
    added to emails, and it's the mail servers that add it, not clients.

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  • From VanguardLH@21:1/5 to Andy Burns on Sun Oct 13 19:02:14 2024
    Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> wrote:

    Stan Brown wrote:

    Are you sure the email was actually from Google?

    Yes ...

    <https://support.google.com/maps/community-guide/276228911/changes-underway-for-google-maps-timeline?hl=en>

    Ah, thanks for that. As I recall, I saw something about this. Instead
    of Google keeping the timeline data on their servers, and having their
    app on your phone sync to it, the location history will get stored only
    on your phone.

    "with timeline, your visits and routes are automatically saved to a map
    on each of your devices."

    "timeline is changing and will now be created on your device. as part of
    this: to avoid losing your visits and routes, you¢ll need to choose
    settings for your data by 15 september 2024."

    Unless you download the json files for your existing location history.
    The Takeout web site is only about downloading your history. You choose
    which categories of data to download. Up to you to figure out how to
    use it after download. Looks like you lose your existing location
    history that is sync'ed up to the server, and why they offer a means to retrieve it before it's gone.

    The instructions say to update the Google Maps app. According to the
    app page, it is currently at 11.149.0101 (and requires Android 8.0, and
    up, so I just squeak by with my old Android 8.0.0 phone). That is the
    version of the Maps app currently on my phone. I just ran the Play
    Store a couple days ago to update all candidate apps (it used to update automatically, but I've had to check and manual start the updates myself
    for many months now).

    The above article says to follow the instructions in their e-mail, but I
    never got it. Looks like this is a rollout, so I might get it later.
    Whatever those instructions say, I'm supposed to do something in the
    settings of their Maps app. With the version that I have, I went into
    its settings, and there is a Timeline category. When I went there,
    instead of showing me entries, I got a screen showing "Rediscover,
    Remember, and Refect)", and a button saying "Continue". Never saw that
    before, so looks like the updated Maps app is getting ready to locally
    store my location history. Then I got the normal screen showing entries
    by date, and locations within a selected date.

    Now it looks like Maps will locally save location history instead of synchronizing it to their server. However, I have to wonder how other
    phones connecting to the same Google account will get location history
    from other phones connecting to that same Google account. Almost seems location history will be saved only on a single phone. If you have
    multiple phones, their location histories will not be shared.

    I've never much used the timeline feature. I've looked at it, and it
    can be helpful, but it draws straight lines between stop points along a
    route instead of showing the progress along a route. Pretty much it
    looks usable to see where you stopped, not how you got there. I've been
    using an app from Talented Apps called ParKing (but its author abandoned
    it back in 2021). Unlike Google Maps that tries to determine where you
    stopped based on changes in speed measured by GPS, ParKing does similar
    but can be configured to mark stop spots by Bluetooth disconnect. I
    have an old car with no integral Bluetooth, but I use an FM/Blueooth
    adapter in a cigarette lighter port. The phone connects to the adapter
    using Bluetooth while the adapter connects via FM to my car radio. This
    lets me hear driving instructions from Google Maps. When I turn off my
    car, the cigarette light loses power, so the adapter loses power, so the Bluetooth connection is broken between adapter to my phone. This
    triggers the ParKing app to register a stop point. The app has other
    detection methods, but the Bluetooth break on a stop and Bluetooth
    connect on a start is the most reliable. The app also keeps a history
    of my routes in a day. So, while Google Maps may now have a local-only location history, I've rarely looked at it. It doesn't really help me
    to find where is my car in the parking lot, especially at those huge
    parking lots at theme parks. The ParKing apps works for me finding my
    car; however, when in a huge parking lot, I find taking pics of the
    signs, like which section I'm in, or which level of a ramp, to be
    helpful to also find my car.

    Google's instructions seem mostly geared to you saving your old location history before it's gone from their server. Thereafter, going into the Timeline feature of their Maps app has it saving it locally on just that
    one phone. I've never needed to sync my travels across phones (I only
    have one phone for several years now), so no loss to me, but I'm sure
    folks with 2, or more, phones might've liked having their travels
    available on all their phones.

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  • From Charlie@21:1/5 to All on Sun Oct 13 20:39:18 2024
    Sometimes, a message from Google isn't from Google though. https://www.forbes.com/sites/daveywinder/2024/10/13/new-gmail-security-alert-for-billions-as-7-day-ai-hack-confirmed/

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  • From VanguardLH@21:1/5 to Charlie on Sun Oct 13 22:24:01 2024
    Charlie <charlie@nospam.com> wrote:

    Sometimes, a message from Google isn't from Google though. https://www.forbes.com/sites/daveywinder/2024/10/13/new-gmail-security-alert-for-billions-as-7-day-ai-hack-confirmed/

    As I mentioned in my earlier reply direct to Bev.

    However, Andy gave a URL to a Google web page describing the change. I wouldn't go by anything in an e-mail even after going through the
    tracking headers, especially since the change is automatic with an
    update of the Google Maps app.

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  • From Chris in Makati@21:1/5 to bashley101@gmail.com on Mon Oct 14 11:11:23 2024
    On Sun, 13 Oct 2024 11:56:31 -0700, The Real Bev
    <bashley101@gmail.com> wrote:

    Apparently our history will no longer be available after December 8
    unless we do SOMETHING. The concept as well as the solution are
    glaringly unclear.

    Supposedly unless I do SOMETHING I will (a) have no location >timeline/services/history; (b) have no timeline/location
    services/history on my computer; (c) have no location >timeline/services/history on any of my devices except <something>; (d)
    all of the above; (e) none of the above.

    The instructions given were in no way applicable to my computer and I
    can't find the email warning now.

    I chose to backup the location history on my phone to <whatever>. It
    seemed to be the only option. Is that what they wanted?

    This is how I understand it.

    From April 6 2025 your timeline will no longer be continually stored
    on Google's servers.

    After that date. your timeline will only be stored on the device
    you're using.

    You can backup your timeline to your Google online account at any time
    so that if you lose or change your device you can restore it to the
    new one without losing the data.

    For me, this is a major degradation in the usefulness of Google
    timeline as I can no longer access my location history from any
    device.

    Chris

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