Both Google Maps & Apple Maps on my iPhone & Android today show a change of name in a certain large partly enclosed navigable coastline indentation. *gulf of america*
<https://www.novabbs.com/computers/article-flat.php? id=19070&group=misc.phone.mobile.iphone#19070>
Have all the Google & Apple maps around the world reflected that change?
All I can tell so far by looking it up after seeing it described for a few days on the Apple newsgroups, is that the Geographic Names Information
System (GNIS) occurred sometime around late January 2025 following a
certain executive order and concomitant Department of Interior public announcement.
My question here, to the world at large, is how much of the world's GNIS systems are following suit? Is there any statement, for example, from whatever mapping system the UK or EU use to formerly identify places?
Apparently the Ordnance Survey is the national mapping agency for Great Britain proper, but the Permanent Committee on Geographical Names (PCGN) is who advises the UK government on the correct form of geographical names outside of the UK. Any status on that?
The EU is trickier to pin down, where the EU apparently relies on
individual member states for internal names, although I can find references to the Infrastructure for Spatial Information in Europe (INSPIRE) which
seems to be who promotes standardization and harmonization of geographic place names through individual initiatives.
Anyone across the pond have a status on what's changing or not for you?
Have all the Google & Apple maps around the world reflected that change?
Andy Burns wrote:
Marion wrote:
Have all the Google & Apple maps around the world reflected that change?
Here it says "Gulf of Mexico (Gulf of America)"
And it still says "Denali"
Both Google Maps & Apple Maps on my iPhone & Android today show a
change of name in a certain large partly enclosed navigable coastline indentation. *gulf of america*
Have all the Google & Apple maps around the world reflected that change?
Here it says "Gulf of Mexico (Gulf of America)"
And it still says "Denali"
On Wed, 12 Feb 2025 19:15:33 +0000, Andy Burns wrote :
Have all the Google & Apple maps around the world reflected that
change?
Here it says "Gulf of Mexico (Gulf of America)"
And it still says "Denali"
Thanks Andy as you're in the UK that's very useful locale information
that your maps, in the UK at least, are showing both naming conventions.
Here, both Apple Maps & Google Maps say only the "Gulf of America". <https://i.postimg.cc/pLrr9ZSL/gulf-google.jpg>
But you bring up a great point about the fact that in 2015 "Mount McKinley" was officially changed back to "Denali" by the US Secretary of the Interior
- yet - on January 23, 2025, Trump signed a similar executive order making the name switch back.
Interesting how one changed and not the other... as I just checked Apple
Maps which shows Mount Denali in Mt. McKinley National Park, Alaska.
If we keep an eye on the delta, we can learn better how the system works.
Marion wrote:
Have all the Google & Apple maps around the world reflected that change?
Here it says "Gulf of Mexico (Gulf of America)"
Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> wrote:
Marion wrote:
Have all the Google & Apple maps around the world reflected that change?
Here it says "Gulf of Mexico (Gulf of America)"
Same here (in The Netherlands).
Funny thing is that if I use the web version of Apple Maps [1] (I
don't have an iDevice, so I can't use the app version), and search for
'Gulf of Mexico'. it returns a list of hits, which does *not* include
"Gulf of Mexico", but *does* include "Gulf of America". When I click on
the latter, it shows the Gulf with the label "Gulf of Mexico". So while
the news reports indicate that Google has caved in, but Apple hasn't,
Apple has actually partly caved in! :-)
OTOH, Apple Maps also lists "Gulf of Mexico Dr" which is
"Gulf of Mexico Dr
Longboat Key, FL 34228
United States"
So what's next? Are they going to rename that drive as well? :-)
So if you're going to book The Diplomat Beach Resort, Starfish Motel, etc., make sure you have the right address/directions!
[1] <https://beta.maps.apple.com/>
Marion wrote:
Have all the Google & Apple maps around the world reflected that change?
Here it says "Gulf of Mexico (Gulf of America)"
On 2025-02-12 12:06, Frank Slootweg wrote:[...]
[...]Funny thing is that if I use the web version of Apple Maps [1] (I
don't have an iDevice, so I can't use the app version), and search for 'Gulf of Mexico'. it returns a list of hits, which does *not* include
"Gulf of Mexico", but *does* include "Gulf of America". When I click on
the latter, it shows the Gulf with the label "Gulf of Mexico". So while
the news reports indicate that Google has caved in, but Apple hasn't,
Apple has actually partly caved in! :-)
[1] <https://beta.maps.apple.com/>
Frank,
Apple Maps doesn't return hits for bodies of water in general...
...and doesn't (as of this moment) return any hits for "gulf of america".
Both Google Maps & Apple Maps on my iPhone & Android today show a change of name in a certain large partly enclosed navigable coastline indentation. *gulf of america* <https://www.novabbs.com/computers/article-flat.php?id=19070&group=misc.phone.mobile.iphone#19070>
Have all the Google & Apple maps around the world reflected that change?
Funny thing is that if I use the web version of Apple Maps [1] (I
don't have an iDevice, so I can't use the app version), and search for
'Gulf of Mexico'.
Apple Maps doesn't return hits for bodies of water in general...
...and doesn't (as of this moment) return any hits for "gulf of america".
Well, *here* [1] (in The Netherlands),
"Gulf of Mexico Dr
Longboat Key, FL 34228
United States"
So what's next? Are they going to rename that drive as well?
On 12 Feb 2025 20:37:08 GMT, Frank Slootweg wrote :
Apple Maps doesn't return hits for bodies of water in general...
...and doesn't (as of this moment) return any hits for "gulf of
america".
 Well, *here* [1] (in The Netherlands),
Frank,
I've been on Usenet for decades and only a small handful of people are so worthless as to warrant me bothering to plonk them, Alan Baker being one.
It's a lot of work for me to edit regular expressions to plonk someone, but people like Snit, Alan Baker, Rod Speed, Joerg Lorenz, et al. warrant it.
Suffice to say: What Alan Baker said is dead wrong.
What you said, that I tested on an iOS device, was completely correct.
It's a waste of everyone's time to ever respond to Alan Baker, but to prove the point that you are correct, here's my iOS Apple Maps search result: <https://i.postimg.cc/PqRk4pMT/search-apple.jpg>
That's the result of an iOS Apple maps search for only the three words:
"Gulf of Mexico"
Have all the Google & Apple maps around the world reflected that change?
Here it says "Gulf of Mexico (Gulf of America)"
Both Google Maps & Apple Maps on my iPhone & Android today show a change of >name in a certain large partly enclosed navigable coastline indentation.
*gulf of america* <https://www.novabbs.com/computers/article-flat.php?id=19070&group=misc.phone.mobile.iphone#19070>
Have all the Google & Apple maps around the world reflected that change?
All I can tell so far by looking it up after seeing it described for a few >days on the Apple newsgroups, is that the Geographic Names Information
System (GNIS) occurred sometime around late January 2025 following a
certain executive order and concomitant Department of Interior public >announcement.
My question here, to the world at large, is how much of the world's GNIS >systems are following suit? Is there any statement, for example, from >whatever mapping system the UK or EU use to formerly identify places?
Apparently the Ordnance Survey is the national mapping agency for Great >Britain proper, but the Permanent Committee on Geographical Names (PCGN) is >who advises the UK government on the correct form of geographical names >outside of the UK. Any status on that?
The EU is trickier to pin down, where the EU apparently relies on
individual member states for internal names, although I can find references >to the Infrastructure for Spatial Information in Europe (INSPIRE) which
seems to be who promotes standardization and harmonization of geographic >place names through individual initiatives.
Anyone across the pond have a status on what's changing or not for you?
On 2025-02-13 00:56, micky wrote:
In 4 years or when the idiot dies, whichever comes first, we in the US
can rid of all this nonsense.
That's what the rest of the world hoped in 2020, but your voting
population was stupid enough to vote him in twice, so, even if the US Constitution turns out to be strong enough to thwart his attempts to
Putinise it and make himself POTUS for life - as US citizens are fond
of maintaining but seen from the outside seems frighteningly uncertain -
 what's to stop them voting in another narcissistic wrecking ball of
an idiot?
In 4 years or when the idiot dies, whichever comes first, we in the US
can rid of all this nonsense.
On 13/02/2025 10:38, Java Jive wrote:
On 2025-02-13 00:56, micky wrote:
In 4 years or when the idiot dies, whichever comes first, we in the US
can rid of all this nonsense.
That's what the rest of the world hoped in 2020, but your voting
population was stupid enough to vote him in twice, so, even if the US
Constitution turns out to be strong enough to thwart his attempts to
Putinise it and make himself POTUS for life - as US citizens are
fond of maintaining but seen from the outside seems frighteningly
uncertain - Â Â what's to stop them voting in another narcissistic
wrecking ball of an idiot?
Call me a cynical old git if you like, but I suspect that this problem
might go away just as soon as the Democrats realise that the American electorate dont like women or blacks (or maybe I mean Blacks ?)
as US citizens are fond of maintaining but seen from the outside seems frighteningly uncertain -Â what's to stop them voting in another narcissistic wrecking ball of an idiot?
They get all their so-called 'news' from social media influencers like
Musk and Josh Rogan (if I recall his name correctly) who have never had
any journalistic training, see no need to be impartial, etc - on the contrary, the more extreme the views voiced on their channels, the more controversy they whip up, the more the algorithms suggest their channels
to punters, so the better their ratings. Hence they regularly
regurgitate Russian propaganda, while Musk openly biased the Twitter algorithm towards Trump, and Josh Rogan wouldn't agree to travel to
interview Kamala Harris - he wanted her to come to him, which to
someone of my generation seems like the tail trying to wag the dog, but
we all know the result.
On 13/02/2025 10:38, Java Jive wrote:
as US citizens are fond of maintaining but seen from the outside seems
frighteningly uncertain -Â what's to stop them voting in another
narcissistic wrecking ball of an idiot?
Isn't Trump lining up his son for the next election?
Andy Burns wrote:You can add them to a *version* of the map that you see, and can share,
Here it says "Gulf of Mexico (Gulf of America)"
Is it possible to add visible labels to Google Maps? Could lots of
people add labels with correct name though not sure if the inhabitants
of Turtle Island would see them.
JMB99 wrote:
Andy Burns wrote:You can add them to a *version* of the map that you see, and can share,
Here it says "Gulf of Mexico (Gulf of America)"
Is it possible to add visible labels to Google Maps? Could lots of
people add labels with correct name though not sure if the inhabitants
of Turtle Island would see them.
but you can't just add stuff to *the* map, they do a modicum of fact
checking for e.g. businesses being added or corrections being made.
On 2025-02-13 10:45, Abandoned Trolley wrote:<snip>
On 13/02/2025 10:38, Java Jive wrote:
On 2025-02-13 00:56, micky wrote:
In 4 years or when the idiot dies, whichever comes first, we in the US >>>> can rid of all this nonsense.
That's what the rest of the world hoped in 2020, but your voting
population was stupid enough to vote him in twice, so, even if the US
Constitution turns out to be strong enough to thwart his attempts to
Putinise it and make himself POTUS for life - as US citizens are fond
of maintaining but seen from the outside seems frighteningly uncertain
- what's to stop them voting in another narcissistic wrecking ball
of an idiot?
Call me a cynical old git if you like, but I suspect that this problem
might go away just as soon as the Democrats realise that the American
electorate dont like women or blacks (or maybe I mean Blacks ?)
Substitute "social media influencers" for "American electorate" and I
think you'd be nearer the truth.
Kamala Harris seemed a pretty good candidate to me, at any rate way
better than Trump, though that's a very low standard to have to beat,
Both Google Maps & Apple Maps on my iPhone & Android today show a
change of name in a certain large partly enclosed navigable coastline
indentation. *gulf of america*
Hardly an indentation. You think if you're standing on the shore at
Tampa that you can see across the Gulf? Guess you must also think
Hudson Bay, Sea of Okhotsk, South China Sea, Arabian Sea, and Bay of
Bengal are just "indentations", too.
https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/2025/02/gulf-of-america-day-2025/
More Trump shit. Rename, and add another stupid holiday.
All I can tell so far by looking it up after seeing it described for a few >days on the Apple newsgroups, is that the Geographic Names Information
System (GNIS) occurred sometime around late January 2025 following a
certain executive order and concomitant Department of Interior public >announcement.
A lot of the business tags used are not even accurate in their
placement, sometimes even on the wrong side of the street (I have even
found one that was on a totally different parallel street). In some
cases it's probably due to the person simply not zooming in close enough before adding the tag.
Using <news:6wwh4fvj1qo1.dlg@v.nguard.lh>, VanguardLH wrote:
Both Google Maps & Apple Maps on my iPhone & Android today show a
change of name in a certain large partly enclosed navigable coastline
indentation. *gulf of america*
Hardly an indentation. You think if you're standing on the shore at
Tampa that you can see across the Gulf? Guess you must also think
Hudson Bay, Sea of Okhotsk, South China Sea, Arabian Sea, and Bay of
Bengal are just "indentations", too.
https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/2025/02/gulf-of-
america-day-2025/
More Trump shit. Rename, and add another stupid holiday.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/dimitarmixmihov/2025/02/13/google-maps- admits-deleting-critical-gulf-of-america-reviews/
In a post on X, Google explained that it draws data from the Geographic
Names Information System when naming places in the U.S. Once GNIS set the
new standard as the 'Gulf of America', all mentions of the location as the Gulf of Mexico now technically fall under what Google would consider 'fake content.'
When deciding how to depict location names outside the US on Maps, Google sources data from authoritative standards bodies like the United Nations,
ISO and the FIPS.
Although the first to implement the change, Google Maps is not the only
one. Apple Maps and Bing have subsequently also followed suit, with both
now displaying the Gulf of Mexico as 'Gulf of America.'
Although the first to implement the change, Google Maps is not the only
one. Apple Maps and Bing have subsequently also followed suit, with both
now displaying the Gulf of Mexico as 'Gulf of America.'
Here in UK Google shows Gulf of Mexico (Gulf of America): Bing is still
Gulf of Mexico.
It also happens because the business gets placed at a postcode centroid, rather than the true position.
(And, in spite of the rules about service area only businesses, there
are a lot of businesses, in places where businesses probably operate but should not be, or should not be, on the map.)
Kamala Harris seemed a pretty good candidate to me, at any rate way
better than Trump
Java Jive wrote:
Kamala Harris seemed a pretty good candidate to me, at any rate way
better than Trump
A good candidate would have been able to explain why she would be better
than Biden, and wouldn't have just laughed at everything and sucked-up
to pop stars and celebrities.
Theres a field full of sheep across the road from my house, and right
in the middle of it is a postcode pin for a business which is several
miles away - I sometimes wonder if they get any mail at all.
Theres a field full of sheep across the road from my house, and right in
the middle of it is a postcode pin for a business which is several miles
away - I sometimes wonder if they get any mail at all.
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