• Re: Is SPAM the new normal around here?

    From David Schultz@21:1/5 to Nathanael on Sat Dec 9 03:29:15 2023
    On 12/8/23 10:36 PM, Nathanael wrote:
    Haven't been keeping up on the group the past few months and return to see lots of spam. Is this the new normal here?

    --Nathanael
    It is a continuation of an attack, via Google groups servers, that
    started a while back. It only abated on comp.arch when Google groups
    marked that group as read only thus preventing the spammers from posting
    from Google.

    The web portal at Google groups lets you report spam and I have been
    doing that. Not that it seems to have done much good so far.

    https://groups.google.com/g/comp.os.cpm

    --
    http://davesrocketworks.com
    David Schultz

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  • From yeti@21:1/5 to David Schultz on Sat Dec 9 11:45:22 2023
    David Schultz <david.schultz@earthlink.net> writes:

    On 12/8/23 10:36 PM, Nathanael wrote:
    Haven't been keeping up on the group the past few months and return
    to see lots of spam. Is this the new normal here?
    --Nathanael
    It is a continuation of an attack, via Google groups servers, that
    started a while back. It only abated on comp.arch when Google groups
    marked that group as read only thus preventing the spammers from
    posting from Google.

    The web portal at Google groups lets you report spam and I have been
    doing that. Not that it seems to have done much good so far.

    https://groups.google.com/g/comp.os.cpm

    Interesting!

    a) I see near to no spam here.

    b) I do not see the message you reply to.

    My news reader complains:

    | Couldn’t fetch article
    | <6dcfecaa-0547-4b39-b1fa-d3da8d991f11n@googlegroups.com>

    I definitely do not locally filter "<*@googlegroups.com>" message-ids
    or GG by other means, so this may be a false positive of the GG-spam
    filtering now common in some Usenet nodes.

    c) Such incidents will get more common. GG users please think about
    using GG only for groups only available there and a Usenet feed for
    Usenet groups, otherwise the GG-spam will split lots of communities
    when the transport between GG and Usenet gets cut because of GG-spam.

    --
    1. Hitchhiker 25: (64) "What's the problem?" said Lunkwill. (65) "I'll
    tell you what the problem is mate," said Majikthise, "demarcation,
    that's the problem!" (66) "We demand," yelled Vroomfondel, "that demarcation may or may not be the problem!"

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  • From David Schultz@21:1/5 to yeti on Sat Dec 9 10:02:15 2023
    On 12/9/23 5:45 AM, yeti wrote:

    a) I see near to no spam here.

    It has varied quite a bit between groups and this one is pretty light. comp.lang.forth is worse and comp.arch was the worst I saw with thousands.

    https://groups.google.com/g/comp.arch

    Still not as bad as the sporgery attacks something over a decade ago.

    --
    http://davesrocketworks.com
    David Schultz

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  • From yeti@21:1/5 to Nathanael on Wed Dec 13 16:02:40 2023
    Nathanael <cjeculver@gmail.com> writes:

    Anyone have any recommendations for a good setup with (free, if
    possible) Usenet feed?

    I've registered at <https://www.eternal-september.org/> and <https://solani.org/>.

    As news-reader I'm using Emacs/GNUS. SLRN and Thunderbird seem popular.

    Some systems even have web frontends to Usenet, e.g. NovaBBS[0], but
    I've no idea where their sign-up page hides.

    ____________

    [0]: <https://www.novabbs.com/>

    --
    1. Hitchhiker 30: (6) "No," said the old man, "that's just perfectly
    normal paranoia. Everyone in the Universe has that."

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  • From yeti@21:1/5 to Nathanael on Thu Dec 14 14:41:55 2023
    Nathanael <cjeculver@gmail.com> writes:

    I've registered at eternal-september, but Thunderbird and Claws cannot connect to the server. There's something I'm not sussing about
    configuration. I'll have to try when I've got time this weekend.

    I've no TB here but I heard of such problems. There seems to be an
    option to force sending the password in TB's per server configuration.
    E-S offers access to their local groups without password and so TB isn't reminded to send one at all for the higher access level.

    If you see them, jump into eternal-september.config or *.support, there
    they probably know where to find that option with closed eyes.

    If you do not see the eternal-september.* groups, it is a different
    problem. More input needed.

    Maybe the FAQ helps?

    <https://www.eternal-september.org/index.php?showpage=faq>

    Wait...

    I heard that the eternal-september.* groups are accessible via GG too,
    but I do not know if they already are filtered?

    Digging... never used GG before...

    <https://groups.google.com/g/eternal-september.config> <https://groups.google.com/g/eternal-september.support>

    So help is near. \o/

    Getting the hints via GG may be the easiest way to get the switch done?

    --
    I do not bite, I just want to play.

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  • From hl351ge@21:1/5 to All on Fri Dec 15 09:55:24 2023
    Am 15.12.2023 um 05:41 schrieb dxf:
    On 14/12/2023 4:54 pm, Nathanael wrote:
    ...
    I've registered at eternal-september, but Thunderbird and Claws cannot connect to the server. There's something I'm not sussing about configuration. I'll have to try when I've got time this weekend.

    FWIW these are my TB settings for E-S

    Account settings:

    Outgoing server (SMTP): Edit SMTP server..

    Server Name: news.eternal-september.org Port: 465
    Connection security: SSL/TLS
    Authentication method: Normal password
    User name: <E-S UserID>

    Server settings:

    Server Name: news.eternal-september.org Port: 119
    Connection security: None

    For the server settings my settings are:
    Server name: news.eternal-september.org Port 563
    Connection security: SSL/TLS
    [X] Always request authentication when connecting to this server
    Default character encoding: Unicode (UTF-8)

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  • From yeti@21:1/5 to bill on Fri Dec 15 14:18:25 2023
    bill <bill.gunshannon@gmail.com> writes:

    Google is leaving USENET. The first decent thing they have
    done since coming into existence.

    See signature..

    --
    [2023-12-15]: Google announces Google Groups' "Usenet Suicide" to happen
    two months later.
    [2024-02-15]: Google Groups' "Usenet Suicide".
    (((((((((((((( Now let us celebrate both dates each year! ))))))))))))))

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  • From yeti@21:1/5 to Paolo Amoroso on Fri Dec 15 14:22:07 2023
    Paolo Amoroso <paolo.amoroso@gmail.com> writes:

    Isn't this the NovaBBS registration form? https://www.novabbs.com/common/register.php

    I'm known to sometimes suffer from a kind of GUI-blindness...

    --
    GNUS. The final frontier. They say GNUS has more than 800 commands and functions. Just call them SPELLs! So who needs other MUDs? Be a hero! Survive world wide Emacs. Survive GNUS! (20231209T2338/yeti)

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  • From David Schultz@21:1/5 to bill on Fri Dec 15 11:19:36 2023
    On 12/15/23 7:40 AM, bill wrote:


    Google is leaving USENET.  The first decent thing they have
    done since coming into existence.

    bill

    Good and bad. Google got into the Usenet game by acquiring Deja-News
    which archived Usenet. Or parts of it. I will not be sad to see Google
    vanish from Usenet but the archive will be missed.

    --
    http://davesrocketworks.com
    David Schultz

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  • From yeti@21:1/5 to Paolo Amoroso on Sat Dec 16 19:58:00 2023
    Paolo Amoroso <info@paoloamoroso.com> writes:

    Never mind, now Thunderbird correctly connects and authenticates to
    Eternal September and I'm posting this from the program.

    \o/

    --
    I do not bite, I just want to play.

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  • From Paolo Amoroso@21:1/5 to Paolo Amoroso on Sat Dec 16 20:26:55 2023
    On 12/16/23 19:50, Paolo Amoroso wrote:
    I'm trying to set up Thunderbird for Eternal September too but,
    although it does list the public local groups, it still doesn't
    access the groups that require authentication.

    Never mind, now Thunderbird correctly connects and authenticates to
    Eternal September and I'm posting this from the program.


    Is this an outgoing SMTP server provided by Eternal September? I
    thought I had to use the server of my own email account. But,
    regardless of the server, I can't figure where to set up the password
    of the email account.

    Looks like it isn't. I had to configure my own email server to reply by
    email.

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  • From yeti@21:1/5 to dxf on Sun Dec 17 02:36:19 2023
    dxf <dxforth@gmail.com> writes:

    I've noticed some issues with TB and E-S combination. If I take too long composing a Followup then Send doesn't complete. Only workaround I found
    is saving the reply, exiting TB and re-trying. Other problem is Followups don't always show up in the thread. Workaround for that is doing a
    'Folder repair' (which wipes custom display settings).

    So a bit of a nuisance.

    eternal-september.support may have answers?

    I haven't used TB for years ... and in some places I'm known for my occasionally appearing "GUI-blindness".

    --
    I do not bite, I just want to play.

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  • From Paolo Amoroso@21:1/5 to Paolo Amoroso on Mon Dec 18 18:54:46 2023
    On Sat, 16 Dec 2023 20:26:55 +0100
    Paolo Amoroso <info@paoloamoroso.com> wrote:

    Never mind, now Thunderbird correctly connects and authenticates to
    Eternal September and I'm posting this from the program.

    It didn't last long. After crashing badly, Thunderbird no longer started
    on my even after reinstalling the program. It was unusable, so I
    looked for another GUI NNTP client for Linux and found Claws Mail:

    https://www.claws-mail.org

    So far it seems to be working well. Claws Mail is lightweight, stable,
    fast, feature rich, and available in Debian.

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  • From yeti@21:1/5 to Paolo Amoroso on Mon Dec 18 20:03:46 2023
    Paolo Amoroso <info@paoloamoroso.com> writes:

    It didn't last long. After crashing badly, Thunderbird no longer started
    on my even after reinstalling the program. It was unusable, so I
    looked for another GUI NNTP client for Linux and found Claws Mail:

    https://www.claws-mail.org

    So far it seems to be working well.

    \o/

    I cannot comment TM because I haven't touched it for years. Back then
    it even refused to accept my local IMAP server as mail storage. Then I
    decided it were a silly idea to climb down from the trees ... eeeeh to
    test switching away from Evolution for mail. For news I'm not happy
    with Evolution, so I use GNUS instead.

    --
    1. Hitchhiker 0: (5) Many were increasingly of the opinion that they'd
    all made a big mistake in coming down from the trees in the first place.
    And some said that even the trees had been a bad move, and that no one
    should ever have left the oceans.

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  • From David Schultz@21:1/5 to Paolo Amoroso on Mon Dec 18 13:59:56 2023
    On 12/18/23 11:54 AM, Paolo Amoroso wrote:
    On Sat, 16 Dec 2023 20:26:55 +0100
    Paolo Amoroso <info@paoloamoroso.com> wrote:

    Never mind, now Thunderbird correctly connects and authenticates to
    Eternal September and I'm posting this from the program.

    It didn't last long. After crashing badly, Thunderbird no longer started
    on my even after reinstalling the program. It was unusable, so I
    looked for another GUI NNTP client for Linux and found Claws Mail:


    I don't know what your problem is but I have been using Thunderbird for
    a long time now with no such problems.

    I do have some degree of nostalgia for the old readers, rn, trn, xrn,
    etc. but not enough to dig up a copy and switch back.


    --
    http://davesrocketworks.com
    David Schultz

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  • From Paolo Amoroso@21:1/5 to dxf on Tue Dec 19 14:45:21 2023
    On Tue, 19 Dec 2023 15:37:06 +1100
    dxf <dxforth@gmail.com> wrote:

    to undo - and even then some can't such as quoting. TB has grown
    into a monster that I wonder whether the developers still have a
    handle on it.

    I tried the Thunderbird version in Debian Bullseye. What's surprising
    is how unstable it was even before the final, unrecoverable crash.

    Sure, a non recent version may have issues. But by now Thunderbird
    is probably mature enough to have all the major stability issues ironed
    out.

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  • From Jack Strangio@21:1/5 to David Schultz on Thu Dec 21 01:32:48 2023
    David Schultz <david.schultz@earthlink.net> writes:

    I do have some degree of nostalgia for the old readers, rn, trn, xrn,
    etc. but not enough to dig up a copy and switch back.

    After all these years, I still use 'Tass' the source code of which was originally included in my copy of Coherent (Unix Version 7 clone) back in
    the 1990s. It's curses-based.

    The most recent version that I have seen in the wild is 3.6.4. I made some amendments to that which I use as 3.7.2

    Jack
    --
    I could tell you a joke about UDP.
    But you might not get it.

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  • From Steve Nickolas@21:1/5 to Steven Hirsch on Tue Dec 26 00:20:17 2023
    On Mon, 25 Dec 2023, Steven Hirsch wrote:

    I finally had to lock out updates to TB on Ubuntu. I have a hybrid arrangement for mail where I fetch from a local IMAP and post using SMTP to Gmail. A change made last spring totally broke me and the developers don't want to hear about it. Was a complete PITA to locate a .deb package for the previous version and get back in operation. I won't be trusting them again.

    I've long believed that such ego-driven churn and breakage was the enemy of Linux adoption by non-technical folks.

    The Firefox people for similar reasons kept breaking Seamonkey and forcing
    them to use a fork of an older version of Gecko, with the result that
    Seamonkey is starting to become less and less able to handle the modern
    web, while I have so many of my settings there and prefer the UI and UX
    which has basically been the main way I've surfed the Web for literally
    upward of a quarter of a century (it being the direct successor of
    Netscape Navigator)...

    -uso.

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  • From Nils M Holm@21:1/5 to jackstrangio@yahoo.com on Mon Jan 8 10:20:36 2024
    Jack Strangio <jackstrangio@yahoo.com> wrote:
    After all these years, I still use 'Tass' the source code of which was originally included in my copy of Coherent (Unix Version 7 clone) back in
    the 1990s. It's curses-based.

    I have also used Tass on Coherent back in the days. Then moved to Tin (also curses-based) and still using it.

    For those looking for a Usenet provider, http://individual.net/ might be another option. Not free, but at 10 EUR per year certainly affordable. I
    am a satisfied customer myself since my UUCP feed shut down.

    --
    Nils M Holm < n m h @ t 3 x . o r g > http://t3x.org

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  • From llp@21:1/5 to All on Fri Jan 19 00:29:21 2024
    Nils M Holm a pensé très fort :

    For those looking for a Usenet provider, http://individual.net/ might be another option. Not free, but at 10 EUR per year certainly affordable. I
    am a satisfied customer myself since my UUCP feed shut down.

    You have a list of free text usenet-server here:
    https://sybershock.com/#usenet

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