• Re: New : Kera Desktop Environment for Linux

    From Lawrence D'Oliveiro@21:1/5 to The Real Bev on Mon May 20 03:06:52 2024
    On Sun, 19 May 2024 11:44:49 -0700, The Real Bev wrote:

    bb:/stuff/Kera>Kera-Desktop Kera-Desktop: symbol lookup error: /stuff/Kera/lib/libnw.so: undefined symbol: gbm_bo_get_modifier

    As always, the cutting-edge stuff is best left to those who know what
    they’re doing.

    Let the pros knock it into shape, until it’s fit for the regular folks to use.

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  • From rek2 hispagatos@21:1/5 to Borax Man on Mon May 20 13:59:47 2024
    On 2024-05-20, Borax Man <rotflol2@hotmail.com> wrote:
    ["Followup-To:" header set to comp.os.linux.misc.]
    On 2024-05-19, SugarBug <3883@sugar.bug> wrote:
    New : Kera Desktop Environment for Linux

    A single hacker has created a new Desktop environment with interesting features.

    https://desktop.kerahq.com/

    About two dozen super hackers might want to help get things out of alpha and into release.

    "Currently, this is a product of a team of one. It’s me, Mutlu. I started working on this ten years ago. Eight years ago, I made my first appearance. Things happened, and I couldn’t find much time to work or someone to work with. I tried to create
    a proof-of-concept that was easy to understand and work with. Today, I believe I have finally achieved this, and I hope to extend the team and maybe have enough budget so that I can work on the project full-time. I hope Kera Desktop can go further thanks
    to the open-source community."



    It looks interesting, I like the ideas in it. A lot of this can be
    done, albeit with more difficulty, in FVWM which is what I use. I am
    looking for a potential replacement when X11 is disposed of, this
    might be worth close examination.



    Very nice! not up my style but I like the effort, currently using sway
    and I am happy but always happy to see other ones pop up.

    Keep up the good work.

    Happy Hacking
    ReK2
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  • From Lawrence D'Oliveiro@21:1/5 to Yrrah on Mon May 20 22:32:35 2024
    On Mon, 20 May 2024 13:36:46 +0200, Yrrah wrote:

    My goodness, just what Linux desktop distros need: yet anolther DE, for
    there isn't enough choice right now.

    Because there’s no way a platform that offers choices can compete against proprietary ones like Microsoft and Apple, which don’t offer you such choices.

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  • From The Natural Philosopher@21:1/5 to Borax Man on Tue May 21 13:15:55 2024
    On 21/05/2024 12:49, Borax Man wrote:
    ["Followup-To:" header set to comp.os.linux.misc.]
    On 2024-05-20, Yrrah <Yrrah-aolu@aolu.invalid> wrote:
    SugarBug <3883@sugar.bug>:

    New : Kera Desktop Environment for Linux

    My goodness, just what Linux desktop distros need: yet anolther DE,
    for there isn't enough choice right now. We have only:
    Budgie, Cinnamon, Deepin, Enlightenment, GNOME, KDE, LXDE, LXQt, MATE,
    Pantheon, Trinity, Unity. XFCE, ...?

    and now Kera, to simplify matters? )-:

    Yrrah


    There have always been lots of Window Managers for Linux. Even when I
    started using Linux in the early 2000s there was

    GNOME
    KDE
    Enlightenment
    WindowMaker
    FVWM
    IceWM
    BlackBox
    FluxBox
    Sawfish
    AfterStep
    XFCE3
    AnotherLevelUp
    AmiWM
    TWM
    MWM

    just off the top of my head, I'm sure there are more I'm not
    remembering from the early 2000s.

    And the real thing about them is none of them are essential or cannot be changed
    The dials on the dashboard move, but the underlying vehicle remains the same

    --
    “A leader is best When people barely know he exists. Of a good leader,
    who talks little,When his work is done, his aim fulfilled,They will say,
    “We did this ourselves.”

    ― Lao Tzu, Tao Te Ching

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  • From Borax Man@21:1/5 to The Natural Philosopher on Thu May 23 10:43:44 2024
    On 2024-05-21, The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
    On 21/05/2024 12:49, Borax Man wrote:
    ["Followup-To:" header set to comp.os.linux.misc.]
    On 2024-05-20, Yrrah <Yrrah-aolu@aolu.invalid> wrote:
    SugarBug <3883@sugar.bug>:

    New : Kera Desktop Environment for Linux

    My goodness, just what Linux desktop distros need: yet anolther DE,
    for there isn't enough choice right now. We have only:
    Budgie, Cinnamon, Deepin, Enlightenment, GNOME, KDE, LXDE, LXQt, MATE,
    Pantheon, Trinity, Unity. XFCE, ...?

    and now Kera, to simplify matters? )-:

    Yrrah


    There have always been lots of Window Managers for Linux. Even when I
    started using Linux in the early 2000s there was

    GNOME
    KDE
    Enlightenment
    WindowMaker
    FVWM
    IceWM
    BlackBox
    FluxBox
    Sawfish
    AfterStep
    XFCE3
    AnotherLevelUp
    AmiWM
    TWM
    MWM

    just off the top of my head, I'm sure there are more I'm not
    remembering from the early 2000s.

    And the real thing about them is none of them are essential or cannot be changed
    The dials on the dashboard move, but the underlying vehicle remains the same


    FVWM is quite configurable, its almost better described as a framework
    to build a Window Manager rather than a Window Manager itself. You
    can make your own modules and functions, change the behaviour, build
    new GUI components.

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  • From Bud Frede@21:1/5 to Borax Man on Sat May 25 09:29:34 2024
    Borax Man <rotflol2@hotmail.com> writes:


    FVWM is quite configurable, its almost better described as a framework
    to build a Window Manager rather than a Window Manager itself. You
    can make your own modules and functions, change the behaviour, build
    new GUI components.

    I used fvwm back when I was first trying out Linux. I then switched to
    what was, IIRC, a modification of fvwm - Afterstep.

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  • From Borax Man@21:1/5 to Bud Frede on Sun May 26 06:15:07 2024
    On 2024-05-25, Bud Frede <frede@mouse-potato.com> wrote:
    Borax Man <rotflol2@hotmail.com> writes:


    FVWM is quite configurable, its almost better described as a framework
    to build a Window Manager rather than a Window Manager itself. You
    can make your own modules and functions, change the behaviour, build
    new GUI components.

    I used fvwm back when I was first trying out Linux. I then switched to
    what was, IIRC, a modification of fvwm - Afterstep

    I used Afterstep at work ages ago when I was doing IT support.
    AfterStep is still around, though I don't like v2 all that much
    because its so slow to load.

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  • From rek2 hispagatos@21:1/5 to All on Sun May 26 13:52:22 2024

    A Desktop Environment based on Web Technologies? I don't like to
    criticise others peoples hard work, but for me, this is a trend I
    cannot support at all. The move to web based everything is a problem,
    and this is a step in the wrong direction.

    No, just no.


    I agree with this 100%, I went to take a look and was expecting C/C++,qt/gtk/rust or even go, I am tired of some lazy programmers not wanting to learn a system programming language and instead use crappy javascript/node for
    desktop apps. I refuse to install any Electron app, I rather have TUI's
    and CLI apps or at least real programs with systems languages.
    What kind of hacker is lazy to learn and explore a real programming language? LOL **roll eyes**

    Happy Hacking
    ReK2

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  • From Borax Man@21:1/5 to rek2@hispagatos.org.invalid on Sun May 26 14:48:29 2024
    On 2024-05-26, rek2 hispagatos <rek2@hispagatos.org.invalid> wrote:

    A Desktop Environment based on Web Technologies? I don't like to
    criticise others peoples hard work, but for me, this is a trend I
    cannot support at all. The move to web based everything is a problem,
    and this is a step in the wrong direction.

    No, just no.


    I agree with this 100%, I went to take a look and was expecting C/C++,qt/gtk/rust or even go, I am tired of some lazy programmers not wanting
    to learn a system programming language and instead use crappy javascript/node for
    desktop apps. I refuse to install any Electron app, I rather have TUI's
    and CLI apps or at least real programs with systems languages.
    What kind of hacker is lazy to learn and explore a real programming language? LOL **roll eyes**

    The sad thing is, people are putting effort into this work, but I
    agree. Electron apps, the only one I tolerate is Spotify, and that I
    use rarely. These technologies though are not fit for purpose for
    system apps and DEs, they're just not. Its like watching someone
    build a shed out of pasta sheets. Sure, there is effort, but Its just
    wrong. Developers need to learn to use appropriate tools, not think
    they can fit square pegs into round holes.

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